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James: [00:00:00] Oh my goodness. Frank, we had another Apple event this time in October. Can you believe it? Holy smokes. I 
Frank: [00:00:16] really can't believe it because I went two or three days thinking it was November. And then I saw a calendar and I realized it was October now. So I'm like living in the past. Now I got all this free time and then an Apple event happens.
So like, everything's just so confusing, but yeah, this one kind of sprung up on us. When was it even announced? Like on a Friday, Thursday, 
James: [00:00:39] I think it was last week and everything had already leaked. I'm pretty sure in which I think they even made fun of the fact that it leaked like the, some, the best thing.
What do they tweet? They said like the best things are, I dunno. 
Frank: [00:00:52] Yeah. I avoid leaks. They're not my thing. Mostly because there's not enough joy in the world. And I need my joy in my Apple events. So why spoil it for myself? 
James: [00:01:04] I agree. I agree. In fact, this Apple event was exactly like the previous Apple event, but I think that it went even.
They went even further, which was, they really went augmented reality on everything. Like in, even in the premade videos, it was like words and I-phones and everything's flying. It was like intense. And I was like, Holy crap. Look at that. It's spinning. 
Frank: [00:01:28] That's funny. Cause I thought you were going to say five G.
That was like the hitting us over the head with that hammer five G over and over again. But you're right. It was AR too. They had like really fancy sets and like CGI sets and fancy transitions and our crazy panning sweeps through the UFO building. 
James: [00:01:49] I was hoping that when it started like the intro, I thought that maybe it was going to fade to black and then said, and then say filmed on iPhone pro 12.
You know what I mean, how that would have been. 
Frank: [00:02:03] Yeah, that would have been clever because as usual don't give it all away, James, but they talk about a camera for quite a while. There they upped the ante. One more time with cameras on of course the super high end model, but, uh, still, uh, well, I think Apple imagines that we're all cinematographers.
Maybe if not explicitly, but maybe at heart, is that their user model of us, 
James: [00:02:28] I think they want to make everyone believe that you can be a pro photographer or a pro cinematographer. Right. They show these beautiful photos and they just hyped it up. And they said, you know, look at this low level shot in the background and the boat and the focus on fish, you can.
Do this, if you just own an iPhone 12 pro, you know, I could never take that. You don't want to, I take a photo. It's just like, and here's a photo of a thing. And I'm like, cool. Put that in a Google photo album. And I'm very happy, right? I mean, when I looked at my wedding photos, right, that was like a real photographer and a real videographer that did it.
And. It was amazing, but I could never do that. Like I'm not going to frame. I think like they had one shot through the desert where they're, they're tracking these horses, running with the drones, flying over them with an eye. Now I thought, I thought of you when I thought of that they had slapped an iPhone 12 pro on a top of a, of a, of a, it looked like a, uh, Thrown together, pieces of drone.
And I also put one on the under side Mount of a car, like getting, 
Frank: [00:03:32] come on. Okay. A, uh, that drone was not a thrown together, something or another. That was a very beautiful racing drone that they, yeah, really just kind of duct tape the phone onto. And it was funny because they gave it away earlier in the video, there was, they're like doing the whole, these were shot on an iPhone and they do this sweeping panning shot aerial shot.
And I'm like, well, Are they in a helicopter, like how's that? Did someone just throw the iPhone? Is that how good the glass protection is now? But no, it turns out they talk, take it to a, 
James: [00:04:06] I mean, it makes sense. I mean, if you look at like, what DJI is putting in, their drones are already expensive and you can only put so much of a sensor, so you're never going to get like an iPhone quality thing, unless you go really high end, I guess.
But I thought that was entertaining. 
Frank: [00:04:21] Yeah. Speaking of, uh, not being a good photographer though, like. I call, I call BS on all their wide angle shots. Cause there was not one thumb in any of those shots. And every one of my wide angle shots, that's a little bit of a finger in it. So that's how, you know, if you're a good iPhone 
James: [00:04:37] photographer.
It's true. Yeah. And they, they, they didn't even have any gimbal shots. Not really. And I know on a lot of the gimbals, there'll be like a little tiny piece of like the gimbal, just because of its wide angle. And it like catches like the gimbal itself, which is impressive. But no, I mean, I thought that the, the overall event I'm really.
Really, really getting into the Apolis static of these events in COVID time. I'm sorry. I just, I appreciate the, they put a lot of time and energy and money into these, but they look really good and I appreciate the things that look good in the video. And I really, I really have enjoyed it. I thought they, they finally.
Did even a little bit more humor, right? They'd done a little bit of humor previously, but they did the one where they were unlocking the doors and getting into super secret, like iPhone hardware or whatever. It's trying to be all funny. And then when they did the media, all the briefcases and stuff, there's some humor they did.
Okay. I think overall one hour event, funny little bit of humor, a little bit of seriousness, very little Tim cook, very little Tim cook. 
Frank: [00:05:41] Yeah. Yeah, it was short. And I appreciate that because I remember the three hour events to end with Apple music events and those, so I, I appreciate this funny though. I almost feel like the two events we've had definitely could have been one event or like a nice two hour event, but you know, there's not much else going on site.
An election, but I'm not ignoring that, uh, not much else going on. So I will take these events for production quality though. I think they're just showing off at this point, whoever the production company is shooting all this and editing all this, my goodness. Um, For the home pod, the set that they built, the CGI set, the physical set the way they mashed them together.
Pretty much seamlessly while doing. Camera transitions at first. I'm like, it's all CGI. Oh, well, first of all, it's real and they're geniuses and they spent $10 million building that set. Then I'm like, it's a hundred percent CGI. And then the lady walked down the stairs. I'm like, well, they had to have some stairs somewhere for her to go down.
James: [00:06:51] They put 'em, they put Lisa on a roof. Um, I think it was Lisa who was the head of their, her, their green initiatives. She's like standing on the roof. Of the Apple circle and you're like, yeah. Why, why are you out here? I don't understand, but okay. It's beautiful. You know? 
Frank: [00:07:07] Well, I appreciate the lap shots, but they're, I'm sure they're a hundred percent staged and all that stuff, but it's still fun to give you something to go like squint your eyes at like, they had all their beautiful.
X D R displaced. Did I get that right? Yeah. They had all those running, like fancy software in the lab and you're like, Ooh, what's the fancy software. We thought it was. I love looking at that kind of stuff. 
James: [00:07:32] Well, they, then they sort of, everyone said that they sort of did a little sneak peek, you know, in the last time they were in the lab talking about chips where they actually had an iPhone, like set up or whatever.
And then that was some of the stuff before we get to the iPhone. So let's get to where they started. Which is actually with music, funny enough that you say that, uh, and uh, they announced another smart device, which I wasn't actually expecting at all. I think you and I had talked about, maybe they'll do a max, whereas at the same able to do max, I was really excited.
We were talking about our D TKs earlier. Maybe we'll do a Mac. Um, they did not spoil earlier. Um, But they did do a new home pod, the home pod, which has not been talked about in ever basically. 
Frank: [00:08:15] Yeah, I'm not because it wasn't a good device. It's just, it's a crowded field. Um, it's not really were app developers and there wasn't too much for app developers to do with it.
So. We personally, haven't talked about it very much. This one, I did get a tiny bit spoiled on. I listened to the upgrade podcast with Jason Snell and he's ridiculously good at predicting these kinds of things. So, uh, he had an interesting take that, um, the first, uh, Eric, why do I have such a high, I keep wanting to call them AirPods, but they're not home pod pods, home pods, um, that they were just a wee bit overpriced, you know, for an Apple product that we've been overpriced 
James: [00:08:59] at first one.
The first 
Frank: [00:09:01] one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Whereas these ones are coming at a hundred hours, which is your Amazon echo. Which at family device play field. 
James: [00:09:11] Yes, the home pod mini. In fact, before they announced the product, I go, Oh, they're gonna announce the home pod mini. And then they did. And the mini is a name that they've apparently latched onto, and this was the big unveiling.
So they have too many products, which I think is fascinating. Um, you can't go much smaller than mini nano the home pod nano, maybe that's next a little disk, but no, this is a beautiful device. Fem Pico. Peak Pico peak. I like that. Yeah. I think it's a good looking device. I'm not a, um, uh, a pod person. I don't, I don't have any, um, Google devices or any, uh, Amazon devices.
And I don't plan on getting of these, of any of these devices. Mostly. I will say that while it's a beautiful devices with three speakers on the inside, optimize does the multi-room stuff. It'll do stereo sound. If you're, you know, put two of them close to each other. My favorite parts were. They it's a, it's a smart device that only Apple could bring to you because it's going to work best with the iPhone and blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
I thought there were some cool things. Yeah. Okay. So they did show a demo of. You like bringing your phone close. This is coming this fall, apparently being close to the home pod, mini it, interacting and accent, basically sending the song over to the device or whatever vice versa. And I thought that was cool integration with it's not even the NFC, it's the w 11 chip or whatever chip it is.
Um, the, maybe they're going to do some cool integration here with, um, The the, the ear pods, air pods, ear and air and ear 
Frank: [00:10:46] AirPods adds of air, 
James: [00:10:48] air pods, and ear pods. 
Frank: [00:10:51] This is when we cut each other off. When we hear the Apple product name anymore 
James: [00:10:55] ear, this is goes in the ear and then air AirPods are wireless air.
Frank: [00:11:01] Hmm. Okay, sounds good. Yeah. You went over one feature I thought was clever. Or maybe I'm just, am I out of date? I thought that feature where when you get them near each other, they become a stereo pair. I haven't actually seen that before. That's kind of, 
James: [00:11:15] I don't know. I don't know. I feel like Sonos, maybe it has done that.
Or maybe Google has done that so hard. There's so many of them now. And then, um, We're doing this leverage switch from in this lives of Brian was saying you have one chip. Thank you. Ultra wide band. That's what it is. Ultra wide. That's what I think w uh, appreciate that. Um, yeah, I don't know if anyone's done it.
I feel like someone has, but most of the time, Most of them just do, Hey, we'll just, you know, put the two together and they they'll play the same song in the room, but I thought this was cool because it could like follow you through your house. Let's see ed, um, home pod mini's everywhere. Right? It would follow you through your house from like your garage.
So your outdoor to your whatever. Right. Um, I don't, I'm not in a place big enough where that would matter. I think you just need one about one in, in my. Place would be big enough for the entirety of the entire location. But, uh, if you had a big house, I think that would be kind of neat. I mean, 
Frank: [00:12:12] yeah. 
James: [00:12:12] Well, I guess a question is, do you think stereo sound is in, is worth it, like inside of your 
Frank: [00:12:18] bedroom as an apartment dweller?
I have limited audio choices because I hate to annoy my neighbors. So I don't have any big stereo or a high five or anything. Cool like that. But I am a pod person. I have a lot of these, uh, things around my house and it is a little bit weird to like, have something to start playing on one and then have to like figure out how to switch it to the other one without like using the app or something.
So I'm all here for a little bit more until around that stuff. Unfortunately, I'm bought into the wrong widget company when it comes to the pods pod company, I'm mixing up my metaphors. Our oblique speaking here, but one feature I really liked Donna and I, again, don't know if this is done somewhere else, but I thought was pretty clever is if you're in family mode where it can distinguish between different people with their different calendars.
And if they're. Different music preferences, I guess. I, I don't know how families can possibly deal with sharing music libraries. That must be so annoying, but maybe that works. That'd be cool if it did. 
James: [00:13:30] Yes. Um, this is also a feature available. Um, I believe in some people are saying in the chat that maybe stereo is already available to, um, I guess I'm not into the, I'm not into this world.
So I guess this is probably an uneventful, like, this is cool. And I agree with you. I think that the. The integrations that they're doing are really good, that I know Google has had this for awhile. With the Google assistant is multisig. You could say, Hey, what's my schedule or whatever. And it would tell you, based on your thing, you then have to, you know, link all your devices and do all the things.
But what they're saying is if your in home kit, then it's all paired cause the home kit device. So I think at all work somehow. 
Frank: [00:14:12] Uh, we're I guess we're just going to have to leave this to iCloud, Apple magic until, uh, I guess I have a pet that has an account. I don't know. I just don't have a family account, so I can't test these kinds of things I'm missing out on all the family deals basically, 
James: [00:14:28] but here's the best thing that happened from the first part of this event.
Intercom Intercom, the best thing ever happened. I don't, I may be Google already announced this and maybe Sonos has this. I don't know. But the thing is when Apple demo a product with these good, right? This was really unique. They're like, like an Intercom, which is a normal Entercom. You press a button. It says a thing, which also it is the walkie talkie, very similar to a walkie talkie on your watch, which is only if you have a watch, Intercom is going to work on it.
Everything is going to work on. Mac is going to work on iPod is going to work on air AirPods. It's going to work on iPads. It's going to work on iPhone. It's going to work on a car plate. It's going to work on home pods. It's going to work on tooth on home. Toothbrushes tooth pods, um, is going to worry everywhere.
And this is cool. You know, Frank has a, um, send a message to everyone and it would blah, blah, blah. Do the thing, or send a message to the bedroom or send a message to blah, blah, blah. And. It will broadcast that. And then people can reply and all this thing, but you can do it from anywhere. It's, it's, it's the old talk to speak, you know, Motorola thing, you know, it's, it's genus, they're just making everything old new again, which I think is cool.
But I just have, the demo is quiet. I don't have kids that aren't, there's not a need for this, but I was like, wow, this is neat in general. So. 
Frank: [00:15:44] Yeah, I think that there's, um, there's two types. So people in the world, James, those who use these Intercom features and those who don't, but I know that the line isn't that straight.
Cause I actually always, whenever these things are introduced, I always use them because I think they're kind of fun. Yeah. And then I come down on the side of actually don't really want to annoy any of my friends is not going to ever use it again. But, um, if, again, if you're in that wonderful family mode, I'm sure this is a good feature.
I think it'd be gal ring, a bell or something like that. A thing. I think he mentioned that he wants it in the office. So you can just like, it just an easier way to like, just send around stuff. Uh, yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, you know, you use rooms, but they don't have to be virtual rooms. You can just group people by other categories and call that a room of people, something like that.
James: [00:16:38] You know what I want Frank? Now they did not announce this. And this would be maybe the last time that we talk about, I was like, what I really want out of these home pods. And I'm pretty sure there's other things that do this, but I'm just saying if I could get a few hundred dollar devices that do stereo and surround sound, imagine you put a home pod and a bunch of home pod minis.
You put a home pod under your TV on the side of your TV. You put two iPod home pod minis on the left and right of your couch. Okay. And then they come out with an adapter, which is a, um, from your TV, it's like a, um, optical to Bluetooth adapter and it, or whatever their chip is. Right. Cause they can just do the magical chips of Apple and then it sends, Oh, even better.
Maybe it does like to the home pod, it does something. And then, um, from your TV and then it can do surround sound for your TV. 
Frank: [00:17:29] Okay, because now it's very a feature, but you want, there'll be 5.1 thing. Exactly. Yeah. 
James: [00:17:35] You do that audio and you make that magical because to me, I don't want extra speakers just hanging around.
I have a beautiful sound bar. If I wanted to play music, I could just Bluetooth it to that thing. And it's going to fill the house. Right. It's going to be great. But if I could get rid of that sound bar and just put these little dongles, I mean, it would just look a lot slicker. You know, by your TV, the soundbars are big and clunky and whatever, and I've old plasma.
So I can't put it onto the wall. It would rip down the wall, 75 pounds. It was rip it right down. I was like, I can't do it, but that, I think that would be amazing. So Apple, if you're listening, make it happen. 
Frank: [00:18:09] Yeah. That seems kind of obvious. I give it five years. That'll be a feature. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Once again.
As the apartment person, I just, I want more of the tracking. I want one tiny little speaker in the exact right location. Don't get too loud. Don't want to annoy the neighbors. 
James: [00:18:31] That's true. I'm also okay with that too. If I just had one, if I could put an I a home pod mini just in the middle, it's like, boom.
Just works. I don't know. Anyways. All right. We're to get onto the. 
Frank: [00:18:41] That's big for them, the main event, the main event, uh, you know, it was funny because on the last event we were talking about the yeah. But watch, and I thought that was, um, it, it seemed like a incremental update and then. But we were talking about how everything's like getting smaller and cheaper versions of everything.
So we've seen the home pod many. And what did we get? We finally got a small iPhone, an iPhone, 12 number one, and an iPhone 12 mini number two. And I think everyone in the world a little bit, because there are a lot of people that love the mini form factor and we'll define what that is, but I'm definitely one of them.
I lost my phone earlier this year. And I switched over to a 5s for a little while, and I absolutely loved that phone. And James, the five S's back there are calling it a 
James: [00:19:34] 12. It's true. I mean, there's the, there's the 12 and then there's a 12 mini and you know, the mini is back to that size. In fact, it's smaller than my iPhone se, which I bought her this year for $400.
Um, you know, I think the thing with these, these new devices, as they whacked over the head with everything is these new phones. If you own an iPhone 12, you have five G there's not a five edition it's just built in no matter what it's in. Yeah, 
Frank: [00:20:05] that that was a running commercial throughout the entire show.
And it was getting a little bit annoying, but it is a new future of wireless. It's a little bit awkward timing given that we're all kind of quarantining and not. Running around that often, but five G is here, I guess. Yay. I've you know, LTE has been pretty good for me. I haven't myself been looking for speed upgrades, but it's fast.
Can't help that. Yeah. 
James: [00:20:34] I think if I just, I think that I agree LT is really good for me. I think on my phone, like in the city and where I'm at home. If, if, if I, if I have a 5g chip in it, maybe in the areas where the LTE isn't so good, maybe the five GL will be a little bit better, just more coverage at some point.
Um, but yeah, I was very fascinated because, um, this is the first time that I can recollect where they had someone from a telecom on like someone from Verizon was on giving a whole spiel. And in fact, if you. By the devices at, at and T or Verizon, it's $30 cheaper else. It's a $30 upcharge if you buy it unlocked, which I, I can't remember the last time this happened.
Frank: [00:21:24] Are you willing your 
James: [00:21:25] eyes at me for 
Frank: [00:21:26] no. Rolling my eyes at the telecom industry. 
James: [00:21:29] That's crazy. I mean, I 
Frank: [00:21:32] saying, I mean, I remember the first iPhone event when it was at and T only, right? Yeah, it was, I don't think they had anyone from the company out there speaking, but the five G thing it's, it's a, I feel it's a wee bit premature because.
Um, not a lot of cities are covered. I think they said something like a hundred different cities, a hundred different carriers throughout the world. And. Looked like less than a hundred cities in the United States. I'm not sure Seattle was even included. So I felt a wee bit left out even there on that 
James: [00:22:06] map.
Yeah. You know, and all of them are different. Right. And they, they actually had to describe how five G works. That was one of the things is they were in this video really describing here is the different types of five G technology and here's this. And because on T I'm on T-Mobile, they technically have nationwide 5g, which is like the upgraded.
For G or whatever that is a little bit bagger, but there's, there's the wide. Spectrum or spectrometer. There's some crazy anyone that has, like, if you're standing in the right corner at the right angle, you get like a gig download or something crazy on Verizon ultra band five, Dave G deluxe wireless, super hyper fighting addition, something like that.
But yeah, it's in, it's in, it's a five G it's in every single iPhone. Worry about it. Frank it's in the phone. It's in it. You got five G if you get a new phone, you getting by D you don't even get to decide. 
Frank: [00:22:57] Whether you wanted or not. Uh, there was kind of a funny, clever point. They put in there though. Uh, the phone will turn off the five G when it doesn't need it, because it turns out speed comes at a cost.
James, all your wizardry is not. So with surgery. I can't imagine dealing with those chips and all those different protocols and all of those power requirements, but so they had some clever tech in there where it actually turns off the 5g when it, uh, is not making use of it. Or if it's just checking your email and the background, and there's no need for that to go super speedy.
I, I like those little efficiency gains. It's what keeps apples stuff. You know, running basically after 10 hours. Yeah. You said it. Thanks. 
James: [00:23:46] Okay. So what do I want to get into. MagSafe, this is my Ms. Smith. This is the highlight for me. This is the number one, and this is the number one announcement in the entire, uh, event mag safe for iPhone.
I thought Frank that the lightning cable was dead. I thought it was going to happen. I thought that they were going to combine mag safe with data and it was going to blow my mind. And then I thought mag safe. Version three dot Oh, was going to come to every single Apple device or you can just slap it in and you get data and everything.
Now, every cable has a magnet on it. That's what I thought they were like mag save Cominos where are they going to put the mag? Like, where are you gonna put the mag? And how's it going to be safe because there's only one input. And when you think of magazines, you think of Mac books where it dings in? No, they put magnets.
And a bunch of rings sensors into the back of this device, NFC, some other junk in there. And now just like the mag safe. That's what they're going to call it on the Apple watch. You can ding in your Apple, iPhone 12. Or 12 pro into MagSafe specific devices. Like they're new air, air, man air pod mattress, air, pod mattress.
They came back, they brought it back. It's something new. They, they, they just elegantly just, they always be, it was beautiful. It was like, cause there was going to be the wireless charging. What was it called? Air air pad, air power, 
Frank: [00:25:15] power. 
James: [00:25:16] Power hour air power, air power 
Frank: [00:25:19] from Theravada. Now 
James: [00:25:20] it was going to be air power, but no, now they have mag safe pads and it's brilliant.
They showed you exactly what you wanted, which was, Oh, you have your eye, you have your iPhone. It just snaps right in. Oh, w what can you plug in right next to it? Apple watch. There you go. It's just any uses its own thing. It's backwards compatible with G, which is cool, but I mean, they didn't even show you.
There was no cable. At any point in this video that plugged into the lightning cable part. Now they did show that you get a lightning cable to USB-C no dongle anymore, but that no time did they show any data connector or power connector via the lightning cable. It was all magazine. And I think that this is the biggest revolution for iPhone yet mag safe in the iPhone.
I can't wait. I almost want to upgrade just for that. 
Frank: [00:26:11] Well, I, I gotta unpack. So watch stuff, you covered a lot of bases here, but I'm going to join you. That's the topic I wanted next to make safe. Of course. I mean, magnets, magnets are cool, especially when they did the diagram and they show you. It's like lots of little magnets, cute little circle, plus.
I actually use wireless charging on my phone and I have the exact problem they described. Do you have a hard time putting the coil right in the middle of the phone? I'm like why? Yes. I fall. I do, because yeah,  symmetric device. That's impossible to tell anything about it. So, yeah. Um, I am definitely here for this.
Uh, Meg safe is one of the things that drew me to modern max in the first place I was using PCs for a very long time. And I was like, look at that clever hardware design. I wonder what else is clever about this computer now? It's very different from the old Meg safe though, because like you said, it's still wireless charging technically, but they did add.
A pouch. Now you can add a pouch to your phone, but money or credit cards or tiny little kangaroos. I don't know what w whatever you put in pouches, w w will go in that pouch. I, I think it's cute. Cause like it's an accessory thing and we keep adding all this. Nice stuff. I'm sorry, I'm trying to cut to the chase here.
I want to build a robot out of this phone. Just use the magnet to attach it to the robot and then let the iPhone be all the sensors, because this has gotten ridiculous. 
James: [00:27:47] Cool. I mean, if it's up to snuff, you know, there's a bunch of other companies that have built cases that dude's sort of other stuff that, you know, are clamping your phone in your car.
They should a bunch of different things like that. They did show that, Hey, there's going to be a case that it's mag safe a case, and then you can attach stuff on top of it. And like, so it's layers. Right? Um, I don't use a case. That's that's crazy. Talk to me, you don't need a case for your phone because apparently also this one's made of ceramic shield, which we'll get to in a bit, cause it has aerospace grade aluminum aluminium.
Uh, but anyways, I mean, I think in general, This thing's amazing. MagSafe the future of charging I-phones cause you're going to need it probably. 
Frank: [00:28:28] Yeah. Well, well, let's get to the cable in a second, but I still want to stick to magnets for a moment. Ha. Yeah. 
James: [00:28:34] How does this work, Frank? 
Frank: [00:28:36] That's not how this works.
I see 
James: [00:28:38] you got into 
Frank: [00:28:39] me. Yeah. Yeah. Hm. Uh, I actually am, uh, a phone clamp user in my car. Cause that's where I do the thing. I'm wondering if it's strong enough, uh, to do that actually in the car and if not secondary thought magnets are cheap on Amazon. And I happen to have a three D printer. I'm going to love making lots of little circle magnet designs to attach my phone to awkward things.
I am I'm, 
James: [00:29:08] I'm, I'm a little worried because you know, now that there's magnets in the back of your phone, are people going to accidentally magnetize this to things? And is it gonna mess up other bits and pieces? Cause I'm imagining that the mag safe is a special. Um, specification because you saw like, um, Belkin and a few other people, they showed off their, their prototypes that they have specifics now, magnets, Archie.
But the question is, I don't know how magnets work they're polarized in general. So there there's a plus and a minus, but if you put two to two intents of a magnet, it will get very upset at you. I would assume. 
Frank: [00:29:46] Actually, no, no, there's not much on the device that is sensitive to magnetic fields. Now electricity is the electromagnetic force.
They're the same thing, but it turns out they mostly ignore each other. And unless you're under weird circumstances that said they did cover. The funny problem of there is a magnetometer in the phone to tell you a compass direction and how in the world does that work when there's a bunch of. Permanent magnets attached to the back of the phone.
It was kind of fun to see them address that. I don't know, James. I think I might get AppleCare on this one and just start attaching magnets to it and see what, Oh, 
James: [00:30:29] there you go. Yeah. Well, I'm assuming that they have specifically place that magnetometer is somewhere on this device and the perfect location.
But I'm curious though, also if the new front, right, this ceramic shield front, that is one. You know, um, one of these devices made out of surgical grade, stainless steel, the other one on aerospace grade aluminum. Um, I'm, I'm fascinated like they did this and they talked about that. Now your iPhone, you can drop it four times as much as you dropped it before break.
But I'm curious if there was a glass front and a glass back before I'm fascinated. Do you think that the ceramic shield front. Is so people don't accidentally like put magnets on the glass of the phone. Does it have any impact? I don't know how magnets work. 
Frank: [00:31:15] Once again, I don't think the magnets will affect the screen in this case.
So I think we're safe there. I don't have that much experience with old led screens who knows what affects them. But I do want to shout out to Corning glass than New York. They, uh, they were always kind of near my house. And you always heard about all their dealings in New York. So it's always fun to hear Apple tried out their name with the stuff.
I don't know what it means to be four times safer. What does that mean? I guess I've dropped my phone about four times. Am I do I do I, it has nothing to do at, that's not how probability works. That's not how statistics work either way stronger class. I'm here for that. It's not Sapphire. I kind of liked thinking I had a Sapphire phone, but.
I'll I'll take my ceramic phone instead, I guess. 
James: [00:32:06] Yeah, I'm into it. I like the new colors. I like the green. I like the blue. The green is my favorite. This is on the iPhone 12 and, and, um, you know, the other stuff is fine. It it's, it's a beautiful retina XDR display. The things that you would expect has got the five G it's got the cameras, the ultra wide, the wide.
Um, it's got Dolby vision HDR video up to 30 frames per second. It's got a new  bionic chip. It's the fastest chip in a smartphone ever. Frank, I don't know if you've heard the news when Apple makes a new chip it's faster than their old chip. 
Frank: [00:32:38] I will interrupt. They did say the machine learning is 70% faster.
So I I'm, I'm always here for that kind of stuff. 
James: [00:32:46] Yeah. They did say that this is a council quality gaming device. 
Frank: [00:32:54] Yeah. What was the game? Was it league of legends? Was that the game they showed off? Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm not a league of legends player, but okay. Um, I played desert golfing. Have you played that one?
James: [00:33:09] I have not. No. 
Frank: [00:33:10] Oh, okay. It's like three different colors and a little square ball that kind of moves in a parabola. It's not that sophisticated, but I look forward to the phone should mention that this is, um, face ID only. I think they didn't put any touch ID. On it. So we are, we're sticking with that for a little while, even though we're all wearing face masks and it doesn't recognize anything, not you, James, James, Liz, and the awesome se world where you get a small device and practical buttons.
How odd 
James: [00:33:43] that's correct. I get, I get those fancy buttons. I got all the good things. Yeah. I mean, they did show legal legends. And I was like, that's cool. I mean, to me, I'm thinking different level of quality graphics when I'm thinking of Xbox and a bunch of other things like that. Um, so I don't know. It's a little bit tricky for them to be like, Hey, you know, I, this is council level, but it's a show.
It's a whole thing. Um, yeah. And then that's the iPhone 12. I mean, that's basically it. And then they did the big. And one more thing, two more things, but one more thing on the iPhone 12, which was the new smallest iPhone ever. Yeah, 12 mini, 
Frank: [00:34:23] uh, it's about time. Well, it, things have been getting better. I've been using the 11 now the 11 pro and that's been a decent form factor.
I was one of the pluses for awhile. I was rocking the giant phone because you know, all the Android people told me, he's trying to phones are awesome. I need a bigger phone. And so I told we went down that route, but these days. Like I said earlier, I've just been appreciating the smaller form factor a lot more.
So, yeah. So the, the mini, I don't know what what's more to say than it's small. I think they kept touting. It's also like the smallest 5g device out there, which was cute. They got the pole in their five G ad, but it's also nice to know that they're proud of that fact. 
James: [00:35:14] Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's nice. It's small.
I think that they, they even showed someone with, you know, you know, pretty bit bigger hands, you know, using the vice cause, you know, different sized people. Um, they have different size hands obviously. Um, and I think, you know, Heather, she got the iPhone 11 pro, but not the max. It was pretty good size. Um, I obviously have the S E which is smaller.
No, the iPhone 12 and 12 pro, which we'll talk about, um, are the exact same dimensions, the 11 pro. Um, is, is very similar in size to the 12 and the 12 pro. So 12 and 12 pro same size the 11 pro, which you have is a little bit shorter and a little tiny bit less in width and a little bit lighter, but the iPhone 12 mini is dramatically, dramatically smaller, but if I was to compare it to the iPhone, se it's smaller than that too.
So let's just break down 12. As the second generation and iPhone 12 mini. So, um, iPhone 12 pro we've ever talked about it yet, but 5.78 just high as Z 5.45. Many 5.18 inches. Now with 2.8, two inches, 2.65 and 2.5, three. So very impressive. The depth is the same on all of them. Point two nine inches, which is great, but the wait is fantastic.
This is amazing. 6.66 ounces for the iPhone 12 pro. For the iPhone se second generation 5.22, but for the iPhone 12 mini 4.76 ounces. Now all of these numbers are shenanigans because of what it means and matters is the actual display. And the display is where it gets really fascinating because, um, the iPhone 12 pro and the 12 is 6.1 inches, the iPhone.
As the second generation, the phone I have is 4.7 because it has the borders. It has the touch ID, but all those things where like literally the iPhone 12 mini is so much smaller even than my phone. It has a 5.4 inch screen because it's edge to edge. It's very beautiful across the wire. 
Frank: [00:37:28] Yup. Yup. Yup. Did we say the most important thing that they have the squared.
It just now instead of the roundy edges, we've, we've gone back to that like super classic style and it's nice to see the, that curvature of that corner matchup, but the screen. So yeah, they've really like shortened up the bezel and made it super fancy like that. Yeah. I got a little bit lost in all your numbers, except the weight one.
I keep dwelling on the weight one because, uh, really like drones, your target weight is usually 240 cramps and the phone is now half of that weight. So now I want to attach a little propellers to this phone and have it go fly away just like in the video. But I think we could do even better and more refined a little, uh, Add some wings to this puppy because you know, it's four times safer, so it can totally be a drone.
James: [00:38:24] Now I agree. Yeah. 135. That's very impressive. Alright, Frank, was there anything else on the iPhone 12 that you want her to talk 
Frank: [00:38:35] about? Uh, just a little bit, a little side tangent about cables because it turns out we are not getting power adapters in the box anymore. Uh, I have mixed feelings, mostly negative feelings towards it because when you're buying such an expensive device, it's something to you.
You expect it to be complete, to be able to charge that device without having to get anything else. But Apple really went for the guilt trip on this one and made me feel bad about the earth and everything, but I'm not sure I really buy their argument because I'm going to need to charge this phone somehow.
And I'm going to acquire an adapter somehow. And it's probably going to come over on a boat from somewhere and it's going to be delivered on a truck from somewhere. So I don't see the. Ecological benefits, but maybe I'm just naive or ignorant when it comes to how that kind of stuff works. 
James: [00:39:37] I always appreciated that they were going to stop giving away the tiny little wall wart, and they were going to only do the bigger one with the USBC because not many people have those.
So the idea was, Hey, let's stop doing these little ones that people have tons of them sitting around and let's only do the new one, but now they're just like, no one gets anything. You're good. You already have your adapters. If you already have one, you can use it. You're just going to buy the MagSafe. Um, you know, and this isn't completely uncommon.
Nintendo did this with our DS line. At some point they just got rid of it, which was kind of weird because. If you were buying a brand new for the first time, you're going to need something to charge your device with. So you might as well add on $10 to that price, but their whole thought was you probably have the older versions or previous version and you, you know, it's time to me.
This is a, we wanted to keep the price at nine 99. And we're just not going to put this in the box. One last thing. 
Frank: [00:40:38] Yeah. Yeah. Um, it feels weird because nine 99 feels like they can afford a $20 adapter, but at the same time, truth is I really don't need another one. It's just it's expectations, you know, it's, I've.
Whenever you buy a device, it comes with one. Even the cheapest, most terrible device comes with a cheap, terrible wallboard, you know, it's commiserate. So you expect to get a really nice wallboard with a really nice device. Okay. But with all things, of course, it's going to simplify. So it's getting down to like maybe, yeah, I'm going to come with a cable next time at this point.
So, so I'm sad, but my mixed feeling, I think comes from, from the fact that I just always try to accept change and. The writing's been on the wall with these adapters for awhile. There's a reason they chose some standards. Honestly, I kind of wish they just went completely over and just put a USB C connector right onto the phone.
Cause it's like fine, but you know, commit to the decision completely. 
James: [00:41:45] Ah, that's how I would have preferred to be honest with you. And I thought they were going to do that. When I saw the new cable, I actually had to rewind and I was like, Oh, are they doing just a USBC? I thought, for some reason, maybe they were getting rid of lightening and then no, they're not getting rid of lightning.
They still have, you know, you still have your lightening adapter, all your things, which means you can charge the old one. But if you don't use the new USB-C and the newer faster charger, then you're not going to get the fast charge, which is. A huge difference by the way. Cause that's what Heather's phone came with and it has all the things much faster.
And when I'm low, I just use her charger. Cause it's so nice, but we literally almost one charger in every single room and we've just acquired them over the years, but we don't have the new fancy fast charger. So I guess we'll have to buy a bunch of those separately. Um, But, 
Frank: [00:42:31] you know, sorry. Uh, but you talking about fast charging, so I'm going all the way back to Meg safe and it just occurred to me, um, a lot of different, uh, chief standards and different levels of power delivery that can be, uh, sorry, delivered by these devices.
So it's fun. Like when you're shopping around for these, there are so many options that works with the Samsung device best and it's, it's. I think the Android devices have always been, have had better receptors or better charging circuits or better something where they could charge faster than the iPhone.
I'm curious with the mag safe and I'm sorry to go on this long rant and to end on a question, but it just raised the coin of, I wonder if they support some of the newer standards and get the high speed charging wireless charging, not through the cable. 
James: [00:43:19] I believe they do. That was their big thing. It is backwards compatible with G.
So this will actually work with iPhones all the way back to iPhone eight. That'll work with, um, air pods as well, so that the Xi, or sorry, the mag safe charger. Um, but I am not a hundred percent sure. I'm trying to look through them. The iPhone website about the group scores are this beautiful website where they talk about mag safe now, but I'm not sure if.
What the charge rate is on it. And I do apologize for not looking at that up ahead of time, but I'm pretty sure that they said it's going to charge a lot faster than normal G if you have a mag safe charger with a mag safe iPhone, I mean, that's the only reason I can imagine them doing it was, Hey, we're going to play nice with the standards because it's already built into the iPhones and we want to make sure that other people can buy these, but we're not really gonna, you know, we're going to do our own thing at some point.
Frank: [00:44:19] Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And that's nice, even though, you know, how it's kind of terrible shopping for USBC cables, I feel it's kind of the exact same yeah. Was shopping for chargers. So I think this unfortunately might be a case where I have to pay the Apple tax and buy whatever their product is. That unified charger thing that you were mentioning earlier that I think I would probably end up having to go that route just because.
Uh, I don't know. You're going to have to like, get a spreadsheet of specs and read through every Amazon review, have to figure out which ones we're going to work best with it. Anyway, I don't know. I'm sorry. I w we are, we're talking about cables and I went all the way back to wireless charging, but that's my last point about the, uh, about the phone is what what's not in the box anymore.
A little bit sad for that. 
James: [00:45:10] At some point, it'll just be just the phone and that's it. And then nothing else. And it just, it ships just, you know, and they don't even send it in a bag anymore. Just comes, they slap a sticker on the back and you peel it off. Um, ideally, 
Frank: [00:45:24] yeah, th th the drone drops it from 10 feet into your lap.
James: [00:45:27] So, and with that new display, it's gonna be just fine. 
Frank: [00:45:32] I think we say that every year and every year people still break their screens. So one of these years still be super, super good. Anyway, not to detract anymore from the grand I phone pro. And what did they do, James? They made the camera better because that's what they always do with the pro line.
And. I am excited for it. Bye. As usual also, it's only the. Biggest one in this year of mini and small sizing, everything. Yeah. It's only the biggest pro that's getting the SuperDuper camera. And what does super duper mean? Well, just like you were saying, you've seen gyros on drones. They have a little gyro inside the phone that can respond at five kilohertz.
That's 5,000 times a second. To adjust photos for, I guess, people who shake a 5,000 Hertz. I hope no, one's shaking at 5,000 Hertz, but what can you say? It's a ridiculously good camera. Um, we should all be cinema CIN typographers and go out, make movies. 
James: [00:46:42] Yeah. I really thought that it was going to be the iPhone 12 pro and the pro max were exactly the same besides the size, but yeah, there is different image stabilization built into it.
And also the digital zoom is a little bit different too. It's actually seven X compared to six X. So there is some differences between those two. I mean, all, I will say all of the iPhone 12 line to included as the same processor built into it, the  bionic chip and they all have the rated IP 68. Um, so they have a lot of the same.
Um, but also, um, some of the difference, which is fascinating. And I, I, until you told me this right now, I actually didn't realize that the pro max, which is the 6.7 inch behemoth, um, it has a little, a little bit, a little bit different. Yeah. Overall, 
Frank: [00:47:32] is it really 6.7 inches? 
James: [00:47:34] Yes. 
Frank: [00:47:34] That is amazing. Weren't there like seven inch Android tablets.
I have to get one of these into my hand. Wow. So that stabilization is cool. I they've done it before for on smaller levels with the lenses we're going around. So it's just improving upon that technology as a super nerd. The thing that I'm kind of most interested in though, is the new LIDAR sensor. Yeah.
Yeah, all of these things ever since like the connect, you know, when you dance and whatever, do things with niches and swords and fruits. I love all that stuff. Um, I'm not exactly sure how I'm personally going to use it in my day to day life. I'm not sure I need this feature other than it makes really good photos.
You can blur out the background very easily on things. James, I swear to you though. This is a perfect feature for a robot. I, I just, I, I don't want to, but part of me is saying, spend a thousand hours and build a robot around this thing because, Oh boy, you could navigate a room with all of this stuff. So I'm excited to see I'm going to sound like Apple.
I'm excited to see what people do with it. Because as of yet, I haven't had a really clever idea for what to do with the LIDAR sensor. But I do love the fact that it's there and I hope someone smart out there does something wonderful with it. 
James: [00:49:04] Yeah. I was waiting for you to bring up LIDAR because as Apple describes it, it's the same technology that NASA uses in the Mars Rover.
So there's robots that are using it up on Mars, um, Frank to do it and yeah. You know how they're selling it, I think is perfect. It's great for. Nightmare mode portraits autofocus is faster and low light. And then the AR is sort of sec secondary. Currently I'm able to do more, but you know, it's all about mapping, mapping, depth maps, things like that.
So I'm imagining that any of those. You know, creating your own home design things can really amp it up. And I could imagine this being sort of a pro feature for different enterprises that may want to add some unique features. And in fact, they showed that they were, they were showing it couldn't really just know what it was, but it was of course, sort of like, this is a.
Company that helps lay out industrial medical equipment and they used to do things manually and now they can just do everything virtually with the LIDAR and this other stuff or whatever, with the AR kit. Um, I guess that's good. It was kind of hard as a consumer to understand, like I couldn't map it to something in my real world.
Uh, but it did seem cool and scene, they said that they saved 90% savings by developing this app or whatever, which is kind of crazy. 
Frank: [00:50:19] Well, there is one amazing scenario for it and that's to help out anyone who's vision impaired. So you could, there's already the, seeing a I, did I get that right? Seeing AI?
Is that the name of it? Yeah. Uh, there's that app out there that already does, uh, magical neural network stuff to come up with some decisions about the environment, but nothing beats a real range finder to say, Hey. The floor drops out 10 feet ahead, or there's a door two feet ahead, or there's actually, it probably doesn't do well with windows.
I'm curious to see how it does with windows, but there's a lot of really good, easy safety information you can get from it. Uh, so I hope to see apps like that, uh, take advantage of the new sensor because the, I won't have any of the shortcomings that, um, a daylight sensor has. 
James: [00:51:16] Yeah, I think so. I'm really super fascinated to see what people do with it and see where it goes overall.
Are you buying anything? Let's wrap this puppy up. Are you buying anything? 
Frank: [00:51:26] Uh, gosh, you know what? I. Apple has that terrible habit of making my phone look old. And I usually can't resist that, but I think this year I just might resist it. My current phone is one that's spent nearly a week under water and then found its way back to me.
And I feel like we are soul bonded now. And it's going to be very hard for me to give up this phone. I. Going back to the LIDAR. I do have a few app ideas for it, not too many, and I'm not sure if they're that good of ideas. So there is that little temptation, but right now, you know what, this is a year of being conservative for me.
And so I may not end up getting any iPhones. How about you? Are you going to buy a six pack? 
James: [00:52:15] Uh, I was, um, Um, I'm Sarah and my iPhone se, which I do really enjoy. And I appreciate it's a hard thing. The, the, the inner nerd and geek in me and technologists and me wants to go on Craigslist and post this for $300 and sell it.
Right. Um, and then take that $300 and put it into a iPhone. 12 many, but then the, Hey James, you just bought this three months ago, don't throw away 300, you know, don't throw away money because you don't need to spend, even though I'd would get most of my money that I paid for this back, I'm sure you don't need to spend $300 to get this new phone.
Wait a year and wait for the iPhone 13, many that James is. Um, calling me to probably do the right thing because you don't have iOS 14, the speeds, not a problem. The, the touch stuff. Isn't a problem. I don't, the camera could be better, which I talked about when I reviewed the phone, but Heather's got the good phone.
She's got the iPhone 11 pro right. It's got the good stuff. And I don't think that the. 12 pro from an 11 pro is going to be justifiable. So maybe a 13 pro and a 13 mini for the family. We can upgrade together, but I think I might hold off as well. And, and I'm not a, I'm not a pod person. I'm not a, a. I'm not into the little devices that listen all the time and talk back to you and play music.
So I'm okay. I think on, on everything from this event, unfortunately, I'm excited. I'm doing nothing. 
Frank: [00:53:50] They are very attractive though. I think that was my first comment to a friend was. Oh, they're pretty. And I think I'm actually technically on record of saying I would buy one that if it ever got that flat edge again, especially the white one, I think it looks especially nice with the glass, but I'm gonna, I think w we'll see if I stay strong, it will be fun to check back in, in a few months to see if I was able to not buy it.
But if I were to get one, it'd be the white mini cause that thing that just looks awesome. 
James: [00:54:21] I get the green mini, I think the green is a fantastical. Color, uh, and, uh, matches the matches, the iPad, um, green as well, but not because he can't get an impro. 
Frank: [00:54:32] Poucher no pouch, 
James: [00:54:34] no pouch. No, I'm not a pouch person.
I'm not about putting credit cards on my phone. That seems dangerous. 
Frank: [00:54:40] Not live in the pouch lifestyle. Got it. Okay. I've been tempted to do that. So I was just looking for some feedback there. Well, it sounds like a, we both saved some money yet. Again, the fall is ending up too. Be a little cheaper than I thought.
Uh, I didn't buy any entertainment equipment. I haven't bought any Apple devices, James. What's next? What hardware am I going to get this year? Anything. Uh, 
James: [00:55:06] that's a good question because I'm pretty sure I have purchased more Apple hardware than you have because I've purchased a new iPhone se and Apple TV and an Apple watch.
I haven't gotten three new Apple devices, Frank. Um, I think I win. 
Frank: [00:55:22] I'm waiting for that laptop. You said it at the beginning of the show? No, no. Max. I was hoping for a Mac, but you know, we're both lucky to have these little arm, uh, devices here and we're just waiting from, to become consumer products. So until then, I'm sure we'll have another Apple event show.
James: [00:55:44] That's right until the November Apple event. I wish, right? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, you'll have to tune back in, of course you can find us everywhere on the internet at merge conflict. IFM we have been live streaming. Some of these when Frank's internet is good enough to work at twitch.tv/james Montse, Magna, which is also where you can find me where I stream as well.
We're going to dual broadcast that at some point to also Frank's. Twitch, which is twitch.tv/frank Kruger. You can find him there, but I think I'm going to do it for this week's emerge conflict. I hope that you enjoyed it. Let us know if you're buying any of the Apple products from this week's announcement.
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Frank: [00:56:30] I'm Fred Krueger. Thanks for listening.