mergeconflict277 === [00:00:00] James: Frank the most amazing thing is finally here. It took years to happen. Years upon years, it finally happened. Do you know what it is? [00:00:16] Frank: Uh, is it an Nintendo? [00:00:19] James: No. Apple music, voice, apple music voice. It's here. 4 99 music from Syria. [00:00:25] Frank: Uh, great for 4 99. Is that included? Did you get the family pack? Were you talking about getting the apple pro plus deluxe [00:00:33] James: pack? No. No, I did not know. I don't use enough services to do that. I have, well, almost it's hard because that one has like a bunch of stuff that don't use. And it, because I do the, I do the iCloud, but only the 2 99 a month. And then I do the apple TV 50 bucks a year. And then I do the, uh, apple fitness plus that's 80 bucks, 90 bucks a year, but that one, we have a fitness credit at work, so I don't have to pay for that one. It's like, it's like going to the gym, they give you a credit on that. Right now. And I think if I did the family plus where it did that, I couldn't like use my fitness credit towards that. So very privileged thing that I have this finished credit, but you know, at the end of the day, I'm giving apple a guess about a hundred. And, uh, I was like a hundred and some odd bucks a year, but I think the, the, the whole kitten caboodle, the whole thing, it was like 25 bucks a month or something like that. And I just that's too much. That's that's several thousand billion dollars a year. I don't have that type of. [00:01:28] Frank: Yeah. Um, I just have whichever music services I have incidentally, and if they don't have a song that I want to listen to, then I just listen to a different song, but I don't know, I haven't done. Uh, apple, total. I don't know what I am at a year, but probably roughly ballpark as you, because I don't pay for that many services. I think I spend the most money on iCloud and iTunes match. Remember iTunes match somehow I'm still paying for it. And for the songs I collected 10 years ago, I should probably get rid of that. But, you know, yeah. I'm not paying for that many services either. So I, I totally missed this. What is this new service? [00:02:11] James: They kicked off the whole apple event with music. You, you saw this. [00:02:17] Frank: No, I, I skipped music parts. This is why I'm totally blanking. Okay. Okay. Okay. [00:02:22] James: So that's that's okay. So they [00:02:26] Frank: have, uh, James, the music part is so boring. I just, I just can't, [00:02:32] James: I can't even do it. Okay. So they have a bunch of plans already for the apple music, but the apple music voice plan $5 a month for a single user. But you can only control the service through Siri. [00:02:51] Frank: Ridiculous. I like voice assistance when I want to use a voice assistant, but it's definitely not the thing I do immediately or first, maybe I'm old. Am I old? Um, but I was around some kids lately and they don't use voice stuff too much. I take that back. They do. I don't know. W how do you feel about it? I'm kind of. [00:03:14] James: Um, you know what I was using the Siri dictation on I've used it on the watch and I've also, oops, I've used it also on my phone a lot today and it is subpar. [00:03:28] Frank: Oh, that's funny because I'm actually kind of pleased with that one or it's it's okay. Enough. It's 80%. Yeah. Uh, I kind of love the random text messages that I send people that are just terrible dictations of what I actually said. But to me it's a bit of a game. Uh, you know, the typing auto-correct is not really that much better, so [00:03:48] James: whatever. Oh, that's even sometimes worse as even more frustrating because I'll be like, Getting, you know, lulls or something. And it's like Lola. And I was like, no, it's not Lola. Learn that I've pressed the LOLs and quotes 5 billion times. And I'd like to say LOLs and do that anyways. Okay. Apple music, voice plan. Over next thing, they announced Frank new colors for the apple home pod, mini yellow, orange blue coming in November. Awesome. Next new air pods. Third generation, not AirPods pro, but air pods. Third generations, you get a, you get a. [00:04:23] Frank: I'm actually excited at the pace that you're going here. Um, because yeah. Okay. So yes. And yes. So I want these because they haven't updated the air pods that aren't the suction cups that go in your ear for awhile. And so I'm, um, I'm a generation behind on the pro stuff, all the fancy acoustic 3d stuff. I don't think I actually care about any of it. But I am a far new design on AirPods. So I'm actually kind of interested in them. I don't know, I'm old, my hearing's going, I don't think it matters too much, but they do have a support that one on a nice accessibility feature where you can actually create a tone map of what you're actually able to do. Like people play tones and you report back and it can a boost audio button. I haven't found one that I absolutely love yet, but it's a possibility out there. Anyway. I like AirPods. So I am [00:05:19] James: interested. I do not have AirPods or AirPods pro I have, you know, cheap $20 air buds that are used that work just fine. They come in a cute little rechargeable container and I dropped them 5 billion times, which is a sign that I do not need $179 AirPods. Cause I will break and or lose them, which I almost have many, many, a times I drop these. I was cutting the grass, almost ran over them with the Walmart 20 bucks. I don't really care. But I didn't run them over. So I actually kind of care a little bit, but if they were $108, I'd freak out, but maybe these would fit better in my ear, but I am up on the, um, spatial audio, which is really cool. And the adaptive IQ, which I think is really, really cool. And they're saying that they're also IP X for sweat and water resistance and up to 30 hours of battery life with the new charging case, which is magazine now. [00:06:09] Frank: Yeah, I, I really don't count the charging case. So I rate the battery life by how long can I leave it outside of the battery case? And I, I, you know, I, they are surprisingly easy to lose and potentially destroy, and I've dropped my English a good amount of times, but I only had to replace mine because the battery started to go in. Air pods themselves, not in the charging case and they just wouldn't last very long. So that's when I decided to buy some new ones. So a, I want a pat on my back for not destroying my first pair or losing them. Um, B I just care about the battery life of the individual things. I can't imagine that's changed too much. And has that gone down with all the fancy [00:06:53] James: features? No, I believe it went up in fact. So I think, I think that's their, that's their shtick, but I think also these, um, they have. They don't have the, the, the what's that one chip, the w one chip or the ultra band chip, whatever it is. But they, they do they're part of the find mine network. So, you know, I think the, I dunno if they're all on there, but they do have that, but they don't have the arrow, like the iPads per AirPods pro, but, um, they said that that was upgraded at least. So that's kind of cool. I don't know your pods AirPods pro prods pro no one came for any of this junk, Frank. Nobody cares because there's a new processor. In fact, not just one process of Frank to process. [00:07:31] Frank: Biggie and bigger. Are you? I don't know. W what were their names? Max, Minnie and max. [00:07:37] James: No, M one pro M one, man. [00:07:42] Frank: Okay. Yeah, so we got upgrades finally, and I think we're all wrong. Cause I was calling it the M on X and the Amman, uh, plus or something like that. Cause why not? Uh, very good. I'm excited. They have ridiculous numbers. Of course, of course. I kept staring at the specs for the bigger one. So that's the one I know the most about, but uh, Yeah. I mean, what's the say it's, it's a good computer. It's the Ram upgrade. I think that I'm I'm most looking forward to is you can get a machine with more Ram look change. I love the processor upgrade, but we have to mention it. The ports at some place we've been bearing the lead for too long. The Mac book has ports. Okay. I just had to say it. Let's get back to the processor. [00:08:26] James: Okay. Yeah. Pro I mean, because they opened up with the process. I spent a lot of time on it because you're right. Everyone, actually, I didn't even know anyone was saying anything about the MYP plus everyone was just assuming you were getting one new processor, uh, which would be the one at ax, which everyone was saying, but there is the pro and the max. Now the pro is a 10 core CPU with up to 16 core GPU with up to 32 gigs of unified memory and up to 200 gigabits per second memory bandwidth. They said that that is scary fast. Are you scared? Cause they say it's scary fast. Are you scared? [00:09:05] Frank: I actually believe them because my little air that like never even gets warm and the battery lasts forever is kind of scary fast. So yeah. Yeah. Actually believe him. I'm scared [00:09:17] James: now I'm on max is even scarier faster because it has a 10 core CPU up to a 32 core GPU up to 64 gigs of unified memory. And for him. Gigabits per second memory bandwidth. And that's just a lot of, uh, things. That's a lot of stuff. Pretty cool. The big, the big they're awesome. They got 16 core neural engine too. Why not? Now? I think here's the curious part is that they were doing the side by side performance of the M one pro and the max. And actually, I mean, the, the max did have. Higher like multiple locations, but not to it, a maximum extent if, if, if, if I was to say so, like, it was, it was kind of like an M one pro plus output out of the M one. Max. Does that make sense? [00:10:11] Frank: Yeah. Um, plus. The GPU and the neural engine, it's hard to like distinguish w what things are, uh, applications using these days. I mean, most of the apps use the CPU. So if you're at a certain speed with a certain number of cores, that's basically the performance you're going to get out of that machine. But, um, the big upgrades that they really want to promote are all the GPU upgrades. So you can go from 16 to 24 to 32, I believe. So you can get 32 cores of GPU, which, uh, is pretty decent. I've been doing some neural network stuff, um, the air, and it's definitely not as fast as like a big, just desktop GPU, but. It's fast. It's good. It's reasonable enough to do some like, um, small ML kind of things on it. I'm not a gamer. Sorry, everyone. I, when I talk about the GPU, I always think about, uh, uh, neural networks, not games. So that's what I would like out of that, because this is the pro computer. This is the one that's supposed to be borderline desktop class. Yeah. So give me, give me all those cores on that GPS. [00:11:26] James: Yes, please. Yeah. And the, the pro they say can handle up to two external displays, um, and has, can do up to 20 streams of 4k pro res video playback. Whereas the, um, you know, for comparison of what type of things you'd be doing with it. Cause I often Frank have 20 streams of 4k pro video playing back at the same time. Um, but also the, the, the max. And that says up to four external displays and those displays are the, the big, you know, 4k displays or whatever they're talking about. Or up to seven streams of eight K pro Rez video. Because if you, if you don't have seven, you know, streams of AK footage, just rolling around then who are you? But, you know, I, I think it it's, it's a, it's in the comparison here of, they were really putting them up against the previous. You know, and they, they start off here actually on the, on the page with X code and they talk about, Hey, it's going to be, you know, 3.7 times faster, you know, then of your, for your, for how fast are your projects will build. Um, which is. [00:12:34] Frank: Right. And you definitely get the benefits of multithreaded apps in that case. And at least for bigger swift projects and things like that, X code is pretty good about multithreading. So I think they're probably taken advantage of that fact in there. That's where they're taken advantage of all their cores and all that good stuff. [00:12:52] James: Yeah. Yeah. And since the CP is, are the same. Uh, obviously you're crunching code. So that's just CPU intensive, like you're saying. So the percentage increase is exactly the same between the 14 inch and the 16 inch and the M one max and the M one pro compared to, you know, something like GPU performance. If you're getting the upgraded max and you're doing like final cut pro rendering, you're going to get huge performance boost, uh, on, on the GPU, but even still really, really big on the, on the, on the pro as well. But I've been talking around this a little bit. I just even said it. Um, the processors are new, frankly. There's, there's a new Mac book pro that these processes are going to. [00:13:38] Frank: Yeah, I, I jumped to it with the ports. I said, I, I had to mention the parts. I just want to make some closing thoughts before we please let's talk about the ports for an hour. Um, I, I was doing Twitch streaming on my M one air and it was borderline good enough to do it, but it was really getting sluggish there. And so I'm just happy to see that there is. Uh, higher performance and one family thing out there. So I just want to, even though I was being snarky with I'm like, what, what do you do with all these 10 cores and things like that? The fact is, yes, I do need actually bigger processors. I love my air, but in a few years, I'm going to want some bigger processors. I don't think I'll get this one, but I'll wait a few years. Okay. So yes, they jammed this processor into something that has ports, James. It has a lot [00:14:31] James: of ports, multiple ports. And ports that were gone and then. [00:14:36] Frank: I wouldn't say a lot of ports, I'd say the correct amount of ports, the number of ports that computers have always had and should have, uh, this is funny because I actually ended up buying a new USBC dongle because I realized that the two ports on my air were just not good enough. Uh, you really need the paths through USB-C charging so that you can free up another USBC port. Uh, so I bought a dongle for that. I wouldn't have had to, if. Pro was out, you know, six months ago when I bought my computer anyway. Uh, what's it have, it has headphone. It has a memory card, three Thunderbolt, four USB, four USBC, whatever you want to call them ports and then make safe. [00:15:21] James: Yes, I'm forgetting one an HTMI a full-blown. Oh [00:15:25] Frank: my goodness. What, what kind of planet is. HTMI into a computer, [00:15:33] James: plug it right in there, you know, and then that, you know, so here's what they've done. This is the, the, the dongle furcation of what they've done is they've actually unlocked, uh, many more ports because even though there's only three USB, uh, C Thunderbolt, four ports, what this means is that you don't have to use a dongle to an HTMI because it has an HTML. You don't need to use a dongle to power to have a USB-C or USB port, because it has a mag through my mag safe three, and then you don't need to use a USB to SD card reader. So even though there is only, you know, 3, 4, 5, Ports plus a headphone Jack and a mag mag. It's actually a lot more, right? Like those three Thunderbolt fours are for Thunderbolt for things they're not for your HTML or your power or your other things, the back it's back, maybe it's all happening. And the think that they really kicked off. You know, talking about them because it's, it's things that people have wanted. You know, they, they went minimal, they tried it out and I guess it just didn't work all that well. And, um, you know, and you know, I had a Mac. Mac book with one port and it was ridiculous. [00:16:48] Frank: Fine. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous is fine, but it was cute. It was so adorable. It was [00:16:54] James: very cute, but this was in a beautiful, by the way, 14 inch and 16 inch. And I'm all about this 14 inch. No one needs a 16 inch laptop. That's way too big apple, but I love this 14 inch. It is adorable and super cute. Um, and, and they got the, you know, a great resolution on it too. Like they're not that big of a difference. Uh, between it one, uh, the 16.2 inches, 34 56 by 2234. I think that is an iPad pro. Um, I think that actually is an iPad pro like resolution screen when I upload, you know, when you upload images to, uh, to the apple portal, I'm pretty sure that's one of them. And then the other one, the 14.2 is a 30, 24 by 1964, which I believe is a iPad. Uh, Pro like not 12 inch or night, 10 inch and not the 12 inch or whatever it is, you know what I mean? Like those resolutions are we've, we've been using them for awhile, but they're both 2 40, 2 54 PPI. And they got billions of millions of pixels, Frank. So, um, I'm like, they look like Mac books, um, Mac books, but they got ports and all woman got Frank, they got F buttons. [00:18:07] Frank: They put the effing keys back. Yeah. Very important. I think he's uh, so gosh, I pour one out for what is it even called? The touch buttons. I never got the touch bar. Never got them, never got them. Sorry. Sorry, touch bar. You're gone. It's a, it's attractive. It's it's a pretty standard looking computer, but, uh, I am surprised. [00:18:34] James: It looks like it looks like a computer monitor. [00:18:37] Frank: Look, it's not a pink adorable computer, right? Why, why can't I get a pink version of this? I agree. Hashtag, uh, but they have the Kirsha keys and they have the function keys, so that that's all very good. Those sizes surprise me. And you mentioned, what do you need a 16 inch for? There are people who love 16 inch. So I have no doubt that this thing's going to fly off the shelves, especially people who. Pro kind of computers with all this power. So I don't have any doubt that the 16 go, but yeah, the 14 inches definitely the sweet spot. I've never had a need to go above 13 inch, but if they're not going to give me a 13 inch, I guess I'm getting a 14 inch. Uh, cause they even took away, uh, quite a bit of the border around the screen. It's far as I can remember. I I'm trying to remember my old, um, book, but anyway, it looks fantastic and very computer. [00:19:29] James: Yeah. I'm looking at it. In fact, you know, it has the rounded bezels on the side too, uh, which is kind of cool because, uh, Monterrey has that rounded look and feel on it and it looks super soft. I'm looking at my, my surface book over here. I need a bust open. Mac book air, but it's in a different room. I'm pretty sure as thick borders too. I like thin thinner bezels. They don't, they don't need to be. Directly onto the, you know, onto the edge of data. Yeah. I like thinner bezels. Why not give me those that don't need the bezels around it. Um, but I do need a nice thick notch on my display. [00:20:05] Frank: Yeah. I'm wondering what, who was going to bring up? Yeah. Th the thing that makes it look most, unlike a normal computer, it's the giant notch in the middle, which is funny because I just, uh, watch the pixel six event or at least a much shortened version of it. Thank you for the clip. And they did a great job. Just kind of burying a tiny circle camera right into the screen. Yeah. Which. It is, they're both ugly, the notch and the embedded camera. I can't decide which one I like or dislike at the same time. I know I'd get used to both. So it almost doesn't matter. I find it funny. I'd almost rather just have a whole top bezel, but oh gosh, a notch. At least it looks like there's a camera. And maybe I'll remember there was a camera, but I don't really need a notch in the middle of my computer. They could have resized at a tiny bit. I think who [00:21:03] James: knows it is large. And I don't know why there's gotta be a bunch of other sensors there. That's what it is. Or there's a bunch of light sensors and a bunch of other things underneath there that that has to be raw. [00:21:16] Frank: Yeah, it's a, it's a whole bar. Um, hopefully I'm sorry. I'm totally blanking whether they mentioned if they're doing face ID, but I've been waiting forever for them to have like a proper, you know, they actually have the LIDAR kind of face ID that they do. It's not the high Rez that we're used to from the old connects and things like that, but it's enough to do a sample of your face and it can do a face detection based on that. I don't think you'd get the DF it's actually in this computer. Yeah. So basically we're, we're waiting for that to come out on, uh, laptops. So obviously eventually they're getting us ready with a giant notch. [00:21:55] James: That's what it is. I mean, we've had a windows. Hello on I've had it for years. Right. And it was not a bang. We've had touch ID on, on windows machines as well. Just [00:22:04] Frank: send those. Hello is only like 60% accurate. I'm constantly, you know, the one nice feature that I, uh, I got the new iPad pro and it has that super wide angle lens. So no matter how you're kind of sitting oriented to your computer, it's able to find you and do the face recognition. It really depends on how wide and how narrow that lenses on your camera facing you on how good these systems work. So for my little surface go, it's basically never pointed right at me. I don't know how I'm sitting. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it never finds me [00:22:43] James: in the picture. Yeah. Th that's a good point too. I would agree with that. I feel like with the, any of the tablet ones, it's a little bit tricky. I feel like with a normal laptop, Book that I have, maybe the surface studio laptop has even better. Cause there's probably newer stuff in it, but I am sort of shocked that they added the notch and didn't add it because, you know, the notch was something that was argued over for iPhone now is a staple and has all that extra shenanigans in it. And it's just fine. I think for me, the problem I have with the notches that most of the time. There's not going to be anything that spans all the way over there. Like, you know, the, the menu bar, like normally there's not that many menu bars, but you know what application does have a lot of menu bars up top. [00:23:32] Frank: Oh, um, I'm going to go with visual studio, [00:23:36] James: visual studio, X code, visual studio code. Code editor, any IDE is going to have all the things. And you're just, [00:23:45] Frank: you're going to have to run at super high Rez because as I look at my iMac display, which I don't know exactly what resolution it is, there's a pretty big gap in the middle. Cause I was wondering myself like how, how big is the notch area? Versus everything. Now that said I'm getting old and my vision's getting bad. And I don't like to run things and like super Rez or the font is all tiny and everything. I like my font to be a little bit bigger. So maybe visual studio, uh, would get in the way. And, uh, I don't know that that's a, that's a resolution question. I [00:24:18] James: think it did show. No applicator again, no time in any of the screenshots on the website now they showed it. I think, I think like during the presentation, but no screenshots on the Mac book, website show anything wrapping around to the other side. They all stop coincidentally right before the notch just Photoshop is right there. It's like right on the cut. [00:24:46] Frank: So, ah, gosh, and I'm still waiting for like X, the new X code to be released that supports like updated operating systems. It's all getting into a funny thing. So I keep wondering if this is going to come out in a 0.1 release of the new Mac iOS, even though we're still not even at the 0.0 release. [00:25:08] James: I think it's coming though. Right? So, Ooh, Frank, why promotion got promotions pumping first time ever, promotion. We, you, you were talking about this. How, how promotion on iPad and an iPhone could be a thing without promotion, which that basically think of it as variable refresh rate for your display means that it can go all the way down to, I believe it was. 10 10 mega 10 Hertz all the way to 120 Hertz, [00:25:37] Frank: right? Yeah. Can I be an Android fan? Boy. So does the pixel six now? So isn't that weird? Like, I guess the industry has just decided maybe we shouldn't be wasting all this power. Maybe that was a bad idea. Always running at 60 Hertz constantly. So it's great. And they actually do tout like the energy efficiency parts and all that stuff. So. That's. Yeah. I mean, especially for a computer with what was that 8 billion cores. I believe this has that. Yeah. You're going to have to be smarter about how you are actually out. Okay. Energy and all that stuff. The real question is, does HTMI support that? I don't think it's probably just a, for the main screen of the computer, right. That's not going to happen for any extra it depends on. It depends. Depends kind of answers [00:26:30] James: the pen. It's very tricky. ACMI is a very, very tricky beast. It depends on what HTMI protocol they're using because the new X-Box and the new PlayStation both have variable bit rate. And what that means is that it can decide if it's going to be go between 60 FPS. Which is your refresh rate and 120, or what it's going to be, but your HTMI device and your HTMI, um, monitor need to support it. And of course, I guess the OSTP needs to support it too. I'm not finding, uh, here exactly what it is. It's just as HTMI. Um, so it says support for one display with a, with up to a 4k resolution at 60 Hertz. So I don't know if it's using 1.3 a or whatever it is needed. It's a, it's a funky, funky one stretch goal. Yeah. Someone needs to top is what I'm saying. [00:27:45] Frank: I'm going to guess not, but you can obviously see though the writings on the wall we'll have all that technology at some point. [00:27:53] James: Um, what else, what else did we get? We got a 10 80 P camera francs, double the resolution. So [00:28:04] Frank: you're not winning me with a 10. It's not a 10 80 P camera. It's it's much better than that. [00:28:11] James: That's it. Yeah, [00:28:14] Frank: they're just never going to upgrade it. It did [00:28:16] James: 20 P now it's 10 ADP. [00:28:19] Frank: Oh boy. Oh boy. What an upgrade? Well, they had to save room for all the nits that they packed in there. [00:28:26] James: That's true. You know, I, it, I got to say this though. One thing that they do. With it is that they do a bunch of processing on the video feed too. So it's it's, even though it is 10 ADP, I think they do a bunch of video, computational stuff like inside of FaceTime and things like that. So it actually looks a lot better than even like the seven 20 P it looks a lot better than it actually is. And my personal opinion. [00:28:52] Frank: Yeah. Um, that was a flagship feature. Gosh, you know, does time even exist? I can't remember if it was this year or not when it was introduced. Um, they've been doing it. Gosh, I'm so sorry. I'm lost. But on, on some products, they've actually been doing that and for sure, I mean, yeah, you don't need to take a far. If you have, what is it like 30 cores of neural engine, 16 cores of neural engine to throw at it I'd wanna see it. It's, it's a powerful machine. Like I we've glided over kind of the other kind of huge, important part to all the performance stuff that we talked about. And that is you can actually get Ram on it. So the model I have is 16 gigabytes of Ram and. It's good. It's good up until about three apps and then it's not good and you're actually starved. And it's funny because I have 32 on my iMac pro and I've always felt like I never used it. I never had. But then I go check on it and, oh, it turns out I left two Docker images running. I have three virtual machines, all this kind of stuff. And it is so easy, especially now with Docker and virtual machines to just burn through all the Rams in the whole world. So I want, I want it to all the Ram and thankfully there is a computer where I can get all the Ram. [00:30:22] James: Yes. You can only get that Ram by the way, if you get the 16 inch with the M one max, you cannot get it on the 14 inch or on the 16 inch with the pro you must opt for the sweet, sweet max Frank, which will only set you back at this point about 4,000. [00:30:43] Frank: It's it's a $200 upgrade, I think, to get the max or like 400 to get the 30 core GPU [00:30:52] James: max. No, it's, it's a $800 upgrade from the pro [00:30:58] Frank: I, you sure I I'm, I'm buying one right now. Um, I'm I'm in here. I'm doing my 14 inch. Are you looking at the 16 inch? You can. You can't, [00:31:08] James: you can't put a man. Oh, you can't put a max on a 14. Oh yeah. [00:31:13] Frank: Okay. [00:31:14] James: So yeah, you can get, okay. That's my bad, my fault listeners. Yes. Okay. So it is a $200 upgrade there, but then you might as well spend another $200 for the third two cores. Come on now. I was get all those GPU's and then a $400 upgrade. Okay. But you're still at $3,700. It's that [00:31:31] Frank: expensive? It's so much money I've made. I don't want to cut to the chase here, but I'm not buying this machine, but you should James, for the show for the listeners, you should buy one and report. [00:31:43] James: Well, that was the question. Frank was, is it time for. To just take my brand new Mac book air, and just throw it away. AKA traded into apple. They'll give me back, you know, pennies on the dollar and then just get this thing. Is that what. No, no, not at all. No, no, [00:32:00] Frank: no. The only time I ran into performance problems again, was doing that Twitch stream. And it's funny because apple gave all those performance comparisons. You mentioned to X code, but they had some, they'd love to show off video and coding. I never do video on coding, but I guess it's a big deal for some people. Yeah. But I kind of wish they showed up. OBS numbers. Does OBS take advantage of any of these features? Does OBS use the neural engine? That'd be great if it did, but I kind of doubt it because it's a cross platform app and it probably hasn't been tuned like that. Anyway. Um, funny that my scenario is never covered. I should be happy though. It's, it's fun seeing, um, a developer tool in like, Apple's performance graphs and you know, pretty like, yeah, [00:32:52] James: that was good. Good event. Good event. Short, sweet to the point. All right. Google time, Google time. Pixel sex, new phones. Friday. Well, I guess it's, I guess we're recording on Wednesday, [00:33:02] Frank: pastels James. They, they don't, you know, I was making in front of the gray of the laptop because it's a very gray laptop. These are nice pastels. We have been living in a pastel world for the last two or three years. It's funny. I'm curious when this style thing's going to change, but they're very attractive looking phones. Yep. Good job [00:33:22] James: Google. Yeah, I like this new design and I like colors. I, you know, it's just surprising because you know, apple forever has always really introduced a lot of beautiful colors. On their phone, about 15 years after they come out. Right. They're like, oh, okay. We've done one color really well, let's do more than they do now. They got a bunch of colors, but Google has been in this, in this realm for a bit. And they've, they toggled around, even on the pixel two, they was, it was black and white, but they had, they, they had the Panda one that was like, you know, a little bit of this and it had little color accent on it. These ones are nice. I really like the color pop on it. And it has this, um, um, uh, what's that one, uh, star Trek, star Trek. To go to the visor to go to the vesicles. Right. Cause that's what it's got is on the back with the cameras now it's [00:34:11] Frank: visor. Okay, fine. I thought it looked more like a robot, but I guess we all have our biases. It's it's funny. Um, I kind of love it because it's a symmetric camera. Boom. Instead of the asymmetric one on the iPhone, your phone is perpetually wobbling on the table. I don't want to cover on my phone. So it's always wobbling this one. This phone seems to be designed, uh, by people though. CD four people though, CD just want the phone to lie flat one. That'd be nice if the phone would just lie flat and it doesn't, it's at an eight. But it's going to be a sturdy angle. So I'm here for the visor, the George adviser. It's like a [00:34:49] James: tiny kickstand for your phone. Listen, few millimeters off the ground. Sure. [00:34:55] Frank: Let's go with that. But they, uh, just like the notch, they packed a bunch of cameras in there. I think like, uh, so what is it? It's the pixel six. Pixel six plus deluxe 6, 6, 6 per hour. It's the same out your fans? [00:35:10] James: No one can be original nowadays. It's it's [00:35:13] Frank: terrible. And it's the year of sixes, obviously? Yes. Um, uh, where was I going with that? They packed in like three cameras. Um, the six. So, yeah, pretty, pretty fancy, pretty much catching up with apple except outdoing apple, because of course they had to make one of those cameras, like a ridiculous 50 megapixels. I don't know what in the world you need 50 megapixels for, but good on here, Google for adding that [00:35:42] James: to your phone. Yeah, it's GoDaddy. Um, so both of them have a 50 megapixel. 12 megapixel ultra-wide and then the pro has a 48 megapixel telephoto, and they both have an El Def sensor, which is a laser detection. Autofocus that measures how close your subject is the phone to help keep them in focus for low light photos. [00:36:02] Frank: Yeah, it's actually kind of clever, um, because yeah, they, they said it very well in that description, but yeah, in the low light scenario, how in the world do you find focus? Because everything's blurry in the light. So you actually need to do a little bit of a 3d scan. So it's not a full LIDAR, it's probably not even as advanced as a face ID, but just a little something. So they know where to, how to focus the lens. Yeah. [00:36:28] James: Yeah, it's got, um, it's got all the things that you'd expect, but I think the one thing that's cool is that the, the six, which is only $600, which is kind of cool. It has a smooth as a full HD display up to 60 Hertz. So it does the 10 to nine. So does the sorry, 10 to 90 Hertz, and then the upgrade a one, which I think is way too big for me. They're all too big for me. I think they're about the same size, but it just more edge to edge, but it has a QHD plus up to one 20 as well. So it's got the smooth displays, um, which grab me, I think the thing that they really pointed out was that they came up with a new processor. It's. Google tensor there, no use no longer using the Snapdragon. It's like their own, this called the tensor, which is confusing because also call like the, the w the, the, the chip, like the AI chip is like a TPU, right? A T tensor processing unit. [00:37:21] Frank: Yeah. They should have called it a G one. It just would've made so much more sense for all of us. Anyway, we can't ask for everything to be. Or they could have come out with six, not straight to that. That, yeah, it's, it's a funny name. Uh, because they have their TPU on there. Uh, which Google was one of the first to do their own custom hardware for, uh, neural network processing. And they did it for like their image search, all sorts of things like that. They have a lot of expertise doing that in a data center. So it's really interesting to see them put it on a tiny little system on a chip. And it's not a tiny little chip it's powerful chip, just like the . It has, uh, efficiency cores in addition to high-performance cores. So you have that kind of setup and then just like the Amman, they now have their, uh, TPU on there. Um, Well, I have watching the video, trying to understand from a developer perspective, how much we can tap into that. It's never clear, even with apple, it's not really clear. Like how do you exactly use the neural engine? How can you guarantee that you're using the neural engine and Google's a little bit, uh, I'm confusing from my perspective on that same point, but it's there, uh, the world is advancing in a direction I like to see. So I'm excited and it's a little crazy that Google's making their own chip. [00:38:50] James: Isn't it? Yeah, I think so. I think it's a natural progression. Just in general, I think, um, Microsoft's been started making its own chips too. Right. And the surface surface, a surface studio laptop. Isn't that what they announced? No, yes, [00:39:06] Frank: no. I, year ahead of me. I didn't know that [00:39:08] James: one. All right. Let me double check now. You, it don't lie. Checking it out. Check in it. Yeah. [00:39:15] Frank: Am I the only one, not making chips over here. Am I going to have to, I haven't done that since college. It'd be fun to make my own chips. I [00:39:23] James: guess it's a quad core 11th gen processor. Oh man. He's a [00:39:29] Frank: Qualcomm core. Like you start with some core and then you add on a bunch of, [00:39:34] James: oh, you know, what I'm thinking about is that the surface pro acts that has this, this, the custom cell custom Silicon. [00:39:41] Frank: Ooh. See that. That's what I got to pitch it. As in my VC elevator meeting, custom Silicon, I'm [00:39:48] James: going to do custom Silicon for.net. I am right. Thank you very much. Uh, service products as a Microsoft, Microsoft S one and a Microsoft [00:39:59] Frank: oh, they couldn't call it an . Interesting. They could have called it an Ms. [00:40:04] James: I skew, which is a arm processor powered by Qualcomm. Yeah, but their cost, their cost on it. Yeah. [00:40:14] Frank: Okay. So that's neat. So everyone's getting into the, uh, custom system on a chip [00:40:19] James: business. Yeah. I think at least for arm based processors. Right. Makes sense. [00:40:24] Frank: Oh yeah. I mean, risk five is coming out. Risk-free I mean, someday [00:40:30] James: risk is good. [00:40:31] Frank: Yeah. W w we'll get to it someday. W yeah. Anyway, uh, so this pixel, they do not have a notch going back all the way back to the phone again. And I find that pretty impressive. Yeah. I have always wondered if we'd find a better way to just to hide that camera. Like can't we just put it behind the screen and like make the screen transparent there by magic chemistry and electricity stuff. I don't understand, but Nope, we can just cut a hole in an LCD screen though. It starts out and it looks pretty good. I kind of prefer it over to the NOC. I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's an annoying dot, but I bet you, I would, I won't even see it after two days. [00:41:13] James: No. And if you're in a dark mode or apps, you know, things like that, that's going to blend into the background and it's where the status bar is at. So as far as taking up a notification area and things like that, it's not going to, I think that the, the question I have is for you, Frank, are, would you trade. The whole punch. That's what it's called the hole. Punch on your iPhone to go back to touch ID instead of face ID, because these only have touch ID, no pixels. They don't have the face online. [00:41:46] Frank: Yeah. And, uh, uh, okay, so I'm going to put on your question just because. Is it the kind of touch, uh, touch ID that the Android has because you just touched the screen somehow magically behind that screen. They're doing it. Yep. And I don't understand the physics. I don't understand the electronics, but I think that's. Yeah. And that seems futuristic to me and I like futuristic stuff. So yeah, maybe. I mean, it's not winter, I'm not wearing gloves right now. So I D I can't remember how I feel about touch ID with gloves, and I've finally gotten my face ID to the point where. With a hat on a mask and sunglasses it's somehow now not the mask, but I ha in sunglasses, it's still somehow recognized as me. And so I feel like I'm going to stick with the face ID, but, and that touch ID that is clever. What do they call it? I'm sorry, Google that I keep calling it a touch [00:42:41] James: ID. Touch on lock [00:42:43] Frank: for clever. Yeah. [00:42:46] James: Yeah. Um, the biggest thing that they had with this one is this, the first time that the brand new version of Android with material you is coming out, and now this is something that developers need to, I'm pretty sure I need to put some work into, to make their app shine, but material you, the whole idea of it is that as you adjust your. Your, your background, your a wallpaper, maybe you have to go through your photos. Um, it can do really cool things like sample that photo and then create a color palette that goes across the entire device notifications and applications. So it is you, it's more personalized you as the idea. I don't know if this is gonna work, Frank. Um, it's something. [00:43:31] Frank: I, you know, I hope it works well. I even wrote an app that kind of did this. I don't know. I never released it. Thank goodness, because it was too simple of an app and I didn't like it, but take a photograph, find the primary color, find the secondary color, either computer, a tertiary, whatever. It's easy to build pallets. It's fun to build pallets, especially if you use pastels like everyone's into and. I don't know, at least in the three shots they showed in their demo, it looked pretty good. Obviously my mind immediately started wondering, like, what photos would it not look good on? But hopefully those aren't backgrounds you would actually use. Uh, I hope they can handle that. A plain black background or a plain blue background. I'm curious how it would handle those kinds of scenarios, but I don't know I'm here for it. I like personalization, especially if it's easy, like. You know, windows has always had the ability to change the color of things, but no one ever did because they always looked like the hot dog cart or hot dog mode, whatever we call that thing, it looked terrible. At least I could never do one. I rocked up bright pink one for quite a few years, but I got tired of that. I'm here for the customization. I am curious from an app developer's point of view. Yeah. James, what in the world? Uh, do we have to do anything to support this? How do you support [00:44:59] James: this? I don't know. I kind of feel like I've been out of the, the in-depth, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. [00:45:08] Frank: We're where we are bad mobile developers right now. Cause neither of us know the current deeming system. [00:45:15] James: Yeah. I mean, this. I'm assuming you use custom standard colors and then that pallet will adjust to the rest of your app, but that means that your app, you know, it doesn't really have, I think that's fine. I mean, really, when you think about it, most apps or other, the black or white for light theme, dark theme at this point, they done it. They got us to get rid of like custom colors and things on our apps. And now they're just single colors at this point. Um, but. Yeah. I don't know. You know, it's, uh, I'm assuming you just, yeah, the guys that I'm assuming you just use standard colors and that's it. And then it just works, but I don't know how that works with cross-platform tech across the board. Right. Because they would need to bubble those up. And I know that, I know that they've been talking about that was Amarin forums for a while. Maybe they already did it. I don't know, but like basically a system read a system, whatever, but this would have to be like a system. Generic. And then, uh, how does that even work cross this guys real complicated? I don't, I don't know that that's my opinion. [00:46:19] Frank: Yeah. I feel like if you're doing native UIs you'll know the right thing to do, but if you are doing cross-platform like, I can't imagine Facebook or Twitter or anyone adopting this because color schemes are your brand color schemes are how people identify your app and separate it out mentally from other apps and things like that. So, Cool, but it's mostly O S Chrome level stuff. I think that's going to get painted that way, you know, back in the it's funny and iOS, because when I first started doing iOS stuff, I always stuck to the most native looks so that everything would get colored according to the O S. And then apple rewarded us by not doing anything fancy with the S four 14 versions. We've had just plain white and plain single color icons for things. And it just hasn't been that interesting. At least Google here is adopting. Colors and trying to make it look more interesting than just as you said, black and white with an accent color. I'm a little bit over that. That's so seven years ago, I'm tired of it and I appreciate an introduction of, of colors and, uh, I'm not too worried about cross-platform apps and, um, Like I said, how hard could it be if you're doing a native UI, they document this stuff. Google loves writing docs. [00:47:51] James: Yes. It's it's there somewhere. I'm sure. That's it. Two events. Now there was other events, there was a Samsung event, which I didn't really, I think they just announced some new flip stuff. I think what else happened this week? Um, I think that's it. Oh, there's some new builds of windows that just dropped, um, installing announce. I don't have time to report back, but maybe we'll do something for our Patriots. There's new drops of windows 11 insider builds that. Android support on them, which is cool. So I'm going to go test that. And I know the verge did a and some other ones have done some videos. I'm going to test that out. I'm going to see the implications for developers if there are any, I don't know yet. So I'm gonna give that a go, but, uh, I'm pretty happy with this week's event. I'm I'm, you know, I always like to say devices new to all new devices are boring, but this year, Frank, I'm fairly happy with the new service studio, laptop, happy with this pixel. Happy with the new MacBook pros. And do you want, I'm a pretty happy with the new iPhones iPhones, and maybe that one's the one I'm just saying it's an iPhone, but you know, you didn't get a new iPhone, right. [00:48:55] Frank: I did not. I did not. Cause you know, they were just iPhones. I, I love the new cameras and everything, but no, I I'm rocking my 11 pro I think it's pretty much peak iPhone and it's still waiting, waiting to see if anything improved from there as someone very loud drives [00:49:16] James: by nice. 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