[00:00:00] Clip: I've been in and out of a lot of studios, but uh, when I walk into this particular studio, I still get strange vibes. During the broadcast, a call was received A call, which is hard to believe is anything but gibberish. And yet an unprecedented number of callers reported an emotionally unsettling experience. [00:00:35] Matthew: Hello and welcome to the IMMP podcast from the Inter Millennium Media Project. My name is Matthew Porter. And [00:00:44] Ian: I'm Ian Porter. [00:00:46] Matthew: I'm his dad. He's my son. And this is a, we kept watching episode. [00:00:54] Ian: It's, we kept watching and of course, why did we keep watching, but. Yeah, no, I'm, I, I'm waiting for the, uh, for the opening to interrupt us in the middle of what seems like our sentence, but 'cause it's In Search Of, again, [00:01:14] Matthew: we've talked about In Search Of a couple of times and it, deserves that because this was one of the most influential television shows in my entire youth. So we talked about the show a couple of years ago. Last year we did a, we kept watching to talk specifically about their episodes involving aliens, but there are 144 of these TV shows. So there are a lot of topics for us to mine. [00:01:36] Ian: There's so much. Uh, so [00:01:39] Matthew: what's the, or, or dive for as the case may [00:01:40] Ian: be, or, yeah, or dive for, because this time it's In Search Of on a boat. Yeah. We're we decided to go everything nautical. [00:01:51] Matthew: They searched for a lot of boats here, didn't they? [00:01:53] Ian: And searched with a lot of boats and searched for what was boats in weird ways, and said We can't find these boats plenty of times. That was a common thing. [00:02:04] Matthew: Yes. I don't know. Supposed to be a boat around here. [00:02:08] Ian: The last I saw a boat [00:02:11] Matthew: and they searched for boats with submarines and divers and maps and psychics. Yes. And, and history. And they actually delved into historical records and did recreations. [00:02:22] Ian: Yeah. [00:02:24] Matthew: It was, it was a more of a mixed bag than I expected going back to these, six or so boat episodes of In Search Of, [00:02:32] Ian: yeah. And the nice thing is that we were able to do this across all of the original seasons. Because this series had six. Original seasons in the seventies and eighties or seventies and early eighties. It ended in 81. It got a single EPIs like revival in 2002, and they had had a 20 18, 20 19 revival. So this show, as we've discussed before, has had multiple, versions and instances, but we got to do things across. I think all but one of the seasons of the original series. [00:03:09] Matthew: Yes. And in case anyone has, uh, has not heard of or seen In Search Of and missed our previous episodes, this is an, a kind of an anthology exploring strange phenomenon or Mysteries television series hosted by Leonard Nimoyy. [00:03:27] Ian: Yeah. [00:03:27] Matthew: Who listeners to the IMMP will know him as one of the stars of Mission Impossible. [00:03:33] Ian: Exactly. It's kind of fun to get hear to hear him talk about these things, and he's a great presenter in that sense. [00:03:41] Matthew: Oh, he got a great voice, a great demeanor for this. [00:03:45] Ian: Oh, absolutely. Uh, okay. I'm gonna just admit In Search Of is the sort of old TV series that nowadays is what you'd expect to find in a YouTube channel. [00:03:57] Matthew: Yes, yes. There's so many movies I've seen over the past year, things like Shelby Oaks and others, where they're about a, a YouTube paranormal investigation group. [00:04:11] Ian: And seeing across the seasons here, we do get to see the quality shift and change over time. [00:04:18] Matthew: Oh yeah. [00:04:19] Ian: The later seasons have a different amount of polish. Like season one is rough. [00:04:28] Matthew: Yes. [00:04:29] Ian: My goodness. The opening titles that cut in randomly that I love to make fun of, feel like a slideshow from PowerPoint. But the later seasons, they like touched them up, made them a little better, fixed to the color balance and the quality progression is part of why it feels to my millennial self like a YouTube series. 'cause it has that similar, I'm trying something out. It's taking off. I'm investing in polishing it up and getting my quality higher kind of attitude. And part of what I'm looking at, it's like. I'm not used to the idea that the season one level stuff could have gotten on network television. The fact that season one and two are things that NBC broadcast is surprising to me, but it makes some sense. This was weird and experimental TV in some ways, and they were a little more willing to toss 20 minutes to something to give it a shot. [00:05:27] Matthew: Yes, it was a little quick hit. If this didn't land, the next one might. Although now I am thinking about, I'm hearing Leonard Nimoy, asking us, you what do you think happened to this Great Lakes cargo ship? Let us know in the comments. [00:05:39] Ian: Oh goodness. You would tell me that you'd could find, uh, Leonard Nimoy explaining the plot of five nights at Freddy's for 30 minutes. I would be like, I am there. [00:05:48] Matthew: Oh, absolutely. I would watch that. [00:05:50] Ian: The problem is I need that to be honest and legitimate and actually record by Leonard Nimoy, and there's plenty of people who are trying to make that faking it, but no. [00:05:57] Matthew: Yeah, unfortunately, I I would rather imagine it than have somebody try to, to create it out of nothing. [00:06:03] Ian: Exactly. But the episodes we got to watch were season one, episode four, the Bermuda Triangle, season three, episode eight, the Great Lakes Triangle, season three, episode 17, psychic Sea Hunt. Uh, season four, episode 18, ghost Ghostship, season five, episode 23, the Lusitania, and Season six, episode 13, the Titanic. I think that's a nice variety overall. I'm really interested to see the fact that they didn't do the Titanic till the final season. [00:06:41] Matthew: I think that this particular of episodes. It shows the scope of this show because it includes things that are, you know, fairly well known weird mysteries like the Bermuda Triangle. It also has really niche things like a bunch of psychics, trying to find a particular shipwreck. But then we've got actual historical mysteries that are documented and speculated about by academics. Like the Ghostship was about the, the Mary Celeste. Yes, and we've got the Lusitania, the Titanic and things that. It's not like they're paranormal, although I'm sure there are paranormal theories about the Titanic. it's just we don't know all the facts. What can we find out who's been researching this? Mm-hmm. It really shows the, the end to end weirdness to documented history that this show goes into. [00:07:32] Ian: Yes. And Just the variety in here. Also, there's a building aspect to it because the Bermuda Triangle episode is like, oh, you know of this, we're explaining it, but we're gonna couch it using this weird radio broadcast as like our paranormal hook to talk about this thing, which works quite well. I loved going straight into the Great Lakes Triangle, which was like two seasons later because the Great Lakes Triangle is like, so you think the Bermuda Triangle's weird? I got one better. There's, there's something very like campfire stacking stories to try to one up each other, [00:08:16] Matthew: but there there is, yeah, to itself. The Bermuda Triangle. We have all of these reports over centuries, and then the Great Lakes Triangle, it's essentially about this one guy [00:08:27] Ian: Yeah. [00:08:28] Matthew: Who, who has a theory and I kept thinking, stop trying to make Great Lakes Triangle happen. It's not working. [00:08:35] Ian: Oh, oh yeah. I will say there is one aspect of this whole thing of, yeah, Bermuda triangle, this is where these at locations are, there's been weird broadcasts of people making theories. This show, once again, it's, it loves having strange theories, but it's how much it leans on those as this is the thing you came for and how much it's like. We are here to give everyone's perspective. That includes the scientist in the corner putting his head in his hands, and the guy in the other corner rambling about mad conspiracies. Both of them get airtime [00:09:14] Matthew: and the show does a good job of setting that up. Where, [00:09:17] Ian: oh, [00:09:17] Matthew: yeah, in, in the credits, they have this wonderful disclaimer, [00:09:21] Clip: This series presents information based in part on theory and conjecture. The producer's purpose is to suggest some possible explanation. But not necessarily the only ones to the mysteries we will examine. [00:09:34] Ian: I [00:09:35] Matthew: it's [00:09:35] Ian: ev every single time though, whenever they play that it feels like it's designed, it's specifically to undercut the earnestness. Leonard Nimoy is putting in, like Leonard Nimoy has such a presenter, like, is this the question? What's going on here? And so it's the fact that they cut in with this. It's like, before Leonard gets out of hand, let's just reassure you. [00:10:03] Matthew: And that phrase, and the way they put it where we're exploring these, we're proposing possible explanations were not being exhaustive. That that phrase that they used, that became kind of a, a, a touchstone or a mission statement for the way I viewed the world for decades. [00:10:21] Ian: Yeah. [00:10:22] Matthew: Starting when I was a kid, that idea of, yeah, if it's weird, look into it, come up with some ideas, never assume that you've got the one answer. [00:10:32] Ian: You've gotta have that flexibility to be able to think of stuff. Even if the answer is then probably not that thing. [00:10:39] Matthew: Exactly. Yeah. The Bermuda Triangle one, I think it was that one in which,, Nimoy is saying that. Scientists have determined there's nothing else to really investigate here, and he's talking about how that's not really scientific and how can you say there's nothing here. It's like, well, we can look at the data we've got and determine that there's no useful pattern that we can see. If there's more data, we'll come back. [00:11:04] Ian: Yeah. Please provide it. [00:11:07] Matthew: Yeah. Right. [00:11:08] Ian: The Psychic Sea Hunt was probably my favorite of these episodes. [00:11:11] Matthew: Yes, [00:11:12] Ian: I miss, I, I wasn't around for it, and I miss the late seventies. You know, around 78 when these came out, when a bunch of amateur psychics can have a small submarine so that they can take off the coast of Catalina to prove that someone else in New York can remote view a crash that they don't know if it exists. [00:11:36] Matthew: That was cool. It was like we took this weird vacation. This bunch of people went on and turned it into this. Half hour documentary about a scientific expedition. [00:11:45] Ian: Yeah. [00:11:45] Matthew: And it was fun to watch. It was fun. Even apart from all those early seventies California fashions, oh, uh, late, late seventies California fashions. [00:11:53] Ian: Yeah. I think some of those were early seventies fashions that survived into the late seventies. I think you were accurate. there is just something about, like, I have psychically viewed. A picture of this strange box. A strange cube. Yeah. [00:12:12] Matthew: My first encounter with the whole idea of remote viewing as a specific discipline of psychic investigation. Supposedly an outgrowth of a government program, and we learned later as things were declassified. Yeah. The government intelligence agencies were experimenting with remote viewing. And I, when I later started hearing about this on late night TV shows, like Art Bell's show, I realized, oh, that's what those submarine guys in, In Search Of were doing, including Ingo Swan, who was, who just became more and more prominent in that whole. remote viewing field. I'll tell you, they showed Ingo Swan and they were interviewing him and he was in his painting studio. His paintings were pretty cool about the remote viewing stuff, but he is a pretty cool painter. [00:12:58] Ian: He was, there's something about like, uh, seeing him there, like tapping the little dots of paint onto a star scape, and I'm just like. This is like a strange, like he's kind of got a Vance Kirkland thing going on with his art style and I'm like, I like it. The guy himself came across weird on camera and I can't tell if how much of that is like we've edited the weirdest parts of talking with Ingo Swan or. Is that we've edited out the weirdest parts of talking with Ingo Swan and I dunno which way they went, but they, they arrived at something via editing him. [00:13:37] Matthew: Yeah. [00:13:38] Ian: But they did it a good job. Yeah. [00:13:40] Matthew: I suspect that was a fairly accurate portrayal or depiction. [00:13:44] Ian: Uh, [00:13:44] Matthew: that was of Ingo Swan in the late seventies. [00:13:46] Ian: Uh, very nice. [00:13:50] Matthew: But yeah, they were, there was, they were remote viewing for a shipwreck. In, a group of spots where they determined there must be a shipwreck here. They had remote viewers finding the locations and what to, what they might find when they got to those [00:14:08] Ian: locations. I didn't, that's the thing. I don't think there was already a shipwreck. It was just a, I need you to remote view what we will find on the ocean floor off of Catalina, and the response was shipwreck. [00:14:21] Matthew: Yeah, the odds are good. [00:14:22] Ian: The odds are good. But it was this weird of like, you're gonna find a winch and a box. [00:14:28] Matthew: Yeah. But the, [00:14:30] Ian: the box was this giant cube. [00:14:33] Matthew: Yes. That was weird. Just the existence of that. They were calling it the monolith or the cube. The existence of that alone was. worth an In Search Of episode. Yeah. What is this thing off the, coast of Catalina on the ocean floor? [00:14:48] Ian: Yeah. Just, just randomly this turns into 1978 an Ocean Odyssey. I'm like, what's going on over here? There's a monolith. [00:14:57] Matthew: And it was one of those things where I look at it and I say, oh, you've got some data. I've got some questions about your. Uh, your process here? [00:15:06] Ian: Yeah. [00:15:07] Matthew: Because yeah, like as you're saying, well, I guess maybe there's a shipwreck there. , They pinpointed some spots said Go there and you'll find evidence of a shipwreck. Mm-hmm. And described things that you would probably likely find in various spots where there's a shipwreck. Okay. So they went to those spots and they found them. What about all the other spots? Where's their control group? [00:15:30] Ian: Yeah. [00:15:30] Matthew: Is it that you go to any 10 spots in that area? Eight of them are gonna have evidence of shipwreck just because there's a lot of shipping and that means a lot of boats go down. Yeah. I don't know. The fact that they didn't have that kind of control as part of their experiment is what later on as I got older, made me think, yeah, that was cool, but I'm really not sure that they proved anything on that TV show. [00:15:53] Ian: Yeah, I, it, it, they, they kind of, they have some fun with editing, trying to make it look a little bit more okay. But it's not completely there. [00:16:03] Matthew: and it's interesting when we get Leonard Nimoy's commentary about this throughout, it's definitely, you can see that same thing happen in television today with things like the Curse of Oak Island. Where it's, a coin that may be connected to the Knight's Templar, and then two minutes later is given the fact that they found a Knight's Templar coin. Here's what else this could mean. [00:16:30] Ian: Oh, oh yeah, absolutely. This, this show is, I am amazed that there isn't an Oak Island episode. [00:16:39] Matthew: It wouldn't surprise me because I had heard of Oak Island at least back in the eighties when I was a kid. [00:16:45] Ian: But there's just something about the way this whole thing is set up that has that same Modern history channel. Yes. Logic Leap. we're going to say something as a question and then we're going to treat that as a period in a later comment. [00:16:59] Matthew: So the first three of these In Search Of Boats episodes that we watched. They were more of the weird, speculative, spooky stuff like the Bermuda Triangle. Oh, and we've gotta talk more about that, that radio broadcast that is the centerpiece of that. And we might have talked about this in our original episode about In Search Of, but that was just the coolest thing when I was a kid. That was the thing that my friends and I were talking about at school the next day. [00:17:27] Ian: It [00:17:27] Matthew: was, yeah. And it was this, this late night Florida talk show talking about the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle. It's kind of a precursor to what Art Bell was doing years and years later. This caller came in and first of all, they're talking about some weird things where it's as if some power took over their telephone switchboard. And then this caller was the only person on the line and he and this creepy voice, and they had the recording of it. started talking about living things, having auras, and the aura of the earth is concentrated at the Bermuda Triangle and nothing disappears. It's just pulled out of space. Time into, yeah, realm beyond. And it's like listening to this, when I was, you know, 11 years old, 12 years old, I was thinking, yeah, that sounds reasonable. [00:18:25] Ian: Hey, [00:18:25] Matthew: I'm sold. But it was, it was so cool and it was. Compared to some of the episodes they have In Search Of, it really was a compelling centerpiece. It wasn't just, it [00:18:36] Ian: was [00:18:37] Matthew: a guy talking about the Great Lakes [00:18:39] Ian: That one almost felt like, well, we've got something everyone understands is weird. Let's, we need to find something weirder to stitch it together, but it gave them an opportunity to talk. [00:18:49] Matthew: Yep. [00:18:49] Ian: interestingly enough, I'm comparing how they approach that to the ghost ship, the Mary Celeste. [00:18:54] Matthew: Yeah. [00:18:55] Ian: And this is jumping, we're jumping all over here, but the comparisons are what's fascinating and why we enjoy doing these. We kept watchings because it gives us a chance to dive deeper. Into how these are constructed. The way they did the Mary Celeste shows that evolution over time, but it's also another instance of like, here's a better established thing and they're gonna investigate it separately. And , the Mary Celeste was like, they've got this recreation boat that people are walking around on. And doing all this footage and , it was much more immersive. But they used a set piece as , the hook instead of this other story piece. [00:19:34] Matthew: Yes. It was, uh, again, a, uh, a mystery that was well known, at least to, to people who are interested in history of that sort. And those last three out of the six episodes were all about historical events. And what really happened, and the Mary Celeste, you're right, it was this, this huge jump in quality because it had all these historical reenactments with actors and like you say, this, um, uh, vintage ship and the fact that they had transcripts, or at least notes from the inquest about what had happened. Because this was a ship that was discovered derelict for, by all appearances, it had been abandoned very, very quickly in a panic. And there was no evidence as to why, no evidence of fire or disease or anything else that might've caused people and no, no terrible weather, no sign that the ship had been in , through any dramatic trauma. So, um, what happened? And there was, all kinds of speculation. About one of the crew becoming a homicidal maniac and killing everyone. The person who found the derelict, being accused of piracy. Yeah. And having disposed of , the crew to claim the ship as a prize. [00:20:48] Ian: Wasn't there one about like the leaking barrels or like something in like kind of causing madness? I thought, [00:20:54] Matthew: yes. There it was transporting barrels of alcohol. [00:20:57] Ian: Yeah. [00:20:58] Matthew: And there was that question of, because it was, the, the hold was sealed up for a long time and the kind of wood, the barrels were made of it created some kind of a noxious fume that could have been mistaken for smoke from a fire. [00:21:14] Ian: Yeah. [00:21:14] Matthew: And maybe , that caused , the crew to abandon ship because the ship's boat was gone. [00:21:20] Ian: Mm-hmm. [00:21:20] Matthew: And they thought, well, maybe they got out, maybe they even tried to connect themselves with a tow line to the ship. And then that was snapped because of , some other event [00:21:31] Ian: There's something about the going also, like we've got Psychic Sea hunt. They went and found a group of people here. For the Mary Celeste, it feels like they found a group that does their own investigation and had this recreation boat. It didn't feel like it was made for the show. [00:21:44] Matthew: Oh, that's interesting. I figured, I assumed that the show hired the actors. Maybe they hired people who ha, who worked in reenactment, but that it was all put on for the show. I wonder. [00:21:55] Ian: That's what I think it, comparing it back to the YouTube element, again, this is a wild pull. There's something about In Search Of that feels like a. Mysterious and supernatural investigation version of things like the YouTuber, Tom Scott, who just would go from place to place and explore. It's like here we've got a consistent presenter who will talk about anything under the sun. In terms of topic range, instead of travel and engineering, we've got the supernatural and the mysterious, but there's this, I'm go, we're going to take our our production to where the interesting thing is and bring a piece of that home. Yes. That's what In Search Of is doing. It's, you know, oh, there's someone with an, there's someone doing something with psychics and then a submarine over there. Sweet. Oh, you guys recreate the Mary Celeste. I'll go over there. It's got that, follow the story. Interesting. journalistic in some ways energy [00:22:58] Matthew: and to, to compare it to another more modern media phenomenon. They were using this historical record, but they were kind of presenting it in a a true crime cold case sort of way. [00:23:10] Ian: Oh, absolutely. [00:23:11] Matthew: What happened and who was responsible and was there a homicidal maniac as one of the investigators at the time thought there was because he thought he found evidence of blood and such, turned out to be rust and somebody else coming up with this speculation about the, the cargo turning into noxious gas and all these things, very much a, a true crime, something horrible happened. Let's talk about it. [00:23:35] Ian: Yeah. Interestingly enough, that true crime element is why I felt the Lusitania episode fell a little flatter. [00:23:44] Matthew: Yes. The Lusitania and the Titanic episodes, they were interesting kind of. Capsules of the question, but there wasn't as much to go on. Yeah, not as much to reveal. [00:23:56] Ian: The more solid and investigated the topic in question is the less energy, In Search Of, gets to put in because they've got so much more. Just facts and information to push that they don't get to the question marks and curiosity element. [00:24:18] Matthew: And with the Lusitania, it wasn't even as if there was this big mystery of what happened. We kind of know what happened with the Lusitania. It, it set sail. It was attacked by a German U-Boat and sunk the question around the Lusitania was, why blow up so big? [00:24:35] Ian: Why, [00:24:36] Matthew: because the U-boat was not so heavily armed. I think they had one or two torpedoes left, by the time they engaged the Lusitania and yet the Lusitania, by most of the evidence, uh, exploded rather dramatically and sunk rather quickly. [00:24:53] Ian: I wish that that was how he had said it in the show was Leonard Nimoy. Hey, Lusitania. Why blow up so big like that would've been perfect. [00:25:07] Matthew: It was more a document intensive show because they were looking at old records and the investigations as to. Their investigation involved, how the ship was built and what it was being used for. And some of the conclusions that the people they talked to, come down to was, yeah, it was probably, transporting, armaments or other war material. But prior to World War I and prior to the US involvement in World War I and Lusitania sinking was a big part of what got the US into World War I. [00:25:37] Ian: Yeah. [00:25:39] Matthew: And, uh, yeah, I mean that doesn't seem unlikely. They make a weirdly big deal outta the fact that you look at the engineering and the architectural drawings for the Lusitania, and it was designed to have some fairly large guns mounted on it, if necessary. [00:25:54] Ian: Yeah, [00:25:55] Matthew: that, that's interesting. It is in no way surprising at that time in the early 20th century, if anybody was making a big ship with those capabilities, you would build it so that you could put guns on it if you need to. [00:26:09] Ian: Exactly. [00:26:11] Matthew: Either to defend the ship or to commission it for war. [00:26:15] Ian: Mm-hmm. [00:26:16] Matthew: Not uncommon. [00:26:17] Ian: Not uncommon in general, In Search Of is a balance between. It's information and it's scientific and it's strange and it's speculative, but when it becomes a little too much document and not enough, Tarry, and I mean that in the like two lolly gag. Hang, hang around, wait. When it doesn't get a chance to tarry as much with its documents, it doesn't do as good. And that's the problem. Like the this element of like, it was designed to have guns. It's like, yes, the Titanic, it like everyone was very nervous. Okay, that makes sense. Big ship. No. They do a good job with the, the Titanic. One of spending some time on a bunch of people saying they called it unsinkable. That was a bad idea kind of attitude. Yeah. You know, they upgraded us and it's like, I didn't like that. Well, why? It's the, it's the story of, uh, the old, the older lady. It's like the moment they, they were going to upgrade us. Oh, one of my family members wasn't happy because they called it unsinkable. That's an affront to God. It's like that was a challenge. But they're having to lean on things like that to make this work [00:27:38] Matthew: In Search Of people who believe in Jinxes. [00:27:42] Ian: Exactly. [00:27:42] Matthew: And yet, and yet the Titanic sunk and, and there was the, the fact that there was a story written not long before, and don't even know if they mentioned this. Yeah. In the search of, I don't think they did a story written. Yeah, not long before the Titanics won voyage about a naval disaster in the sinking of a giant ship called the Titan. [00:28:03] Ian: Yes. [00:28:03] Matthew: A fictional, uh, story and yet weirdly prescient. And that's the kind of thing that always made me think, well, I don't know that they investigated it with the scientific rigor they should. But it sure seems like there's something there that's worth investigating. [00:28:20] Ian: Yes. And that's one of the fun things about In Search Of it's, it's attitude of like question and wonder if done well is really great getting you to go look up more like the idea of throw someone an episode of In Search Of. Enough time in a library and they'll find more things and fall down the proverbial rabbit hole with every episode is a part of what makes this show fun. The times when they've had more that they've had to put in the Titanic and such. The, the window of what you could fall down into and what the specifics are, are a little tighter, but they're not lacking the fun. [00:29:09] Matthew: and I, I guess that was reflected in my reaction to these when I was a kid. The ones about things like the Lusitania that would lead me to want to read an article or something about that and mm-hmm. Uh, go to the encyclopedia, learn a little more. The ones about the. Bermuda Triangle or a psychic sea hunt. Those are the ones that would send me to that weird section in the village library and, uh, yes, and find all these strange books and find, I think it was Charles Berlitz's book about the Bermuda Triangle. [00:29:39] Ian: At this point, the stories you've been able to tell me, I feel like that library needs to be an episode of In Search Of, on Long Island, there's a single library. That somehow has books on so many things, it should not. How did they obtain such a collection [00:29:58] Matthew: and the Titanic episode that may have thrown into the sharpest relief the fact that we're coming back to these almost 50 years. Yes. After the broadcast and so much more investigation has been done about the Titanic and exactly what happened, what engineering and, and other things were involved, how it actually sunk and what was left of it. By the time it hit the bottom, we've actually found it Now. They were still looking for it. [00:30:27] Ian: Yeah. [00:30:28] Matthew: In 1980. Um, [00:30:29] Ian: that's wild. [00:30:31] Matthew: And they were talking about, well, if we could find exactly where it was, we could do everything from. Learn more about the exact mechanics of how it sunk to addressing , the, the accusations that another ship did not respond quickly enough to the distress calls. But it turned out that the Titanic may not have been reporting its location accurately when it sent out its distress calls because it was using. Observations from hours earlier it had been ad drift for all those hours and all these things that they were saying, well, if only we could find some of this additional information, and of course, find the wreck and where it actually hit the bottom. And it's, it would be interesting. I haven't mapped. Well, those questions that they raised and In Search Of to what we now know, but that would be an interesting comparison. Okay. Did we actually learn and did we answer any of those questions that were left? [00:31:28] Ian: I mean, there's a piece of me it's like, I wish we could just talk to young Matthew and. Tell him that, oh, 15 years later, the topic of an episode of In Search Of would become one of the highest grossing films of all time. [00:31:43] Matthew: Yes. [00:31:44] Ian: And just let him figure out which one it is. [00:31:47] Matthew: Oh gosh. That's a good question. [00:31:50] Ian: Oh, yeah. Makes you wonder what other episodes of In Search Of, that's the thing. What other episodes of In Search Of became more well known in the zeitgeist, I mean. There's plenty of things that In Search Of touched on that were these weird things that have been investigated more. Yeah. This is a time capsule of the thoughts and investigations at the time. What that contains and what that is. Now in some of these is huge. What they contain is completely disproven or useless now, but it's a wonderful snapshot of. A, an era of curiosity. [00:32:35] Matthew: And there were some examples of that that we've talked about before. Like in our previous, we kept watching, we talked about all our alien episodes. Yes. And they had an episode about Roswell. Mm-hmm. And it was really one of the first things in what, anything close to popular culture being on a, a syndicated TV show about. What happened at Roswell in 1947 or what didn't happen at Roswell in 47. Now, of course, we've had movies about that. We've got decades worth of a festival happening in Roswell, New Mexico, which is a, a a a weird and fun time. I'll, I'll put, oh yeah, a link to my video about that, the description, uh, in the show notes. But, uh. But yeah, that's one of those things that has just from this weird little thing that a TV show decided to spend 20 minutes investigating to now something that is so widely known. I don't know that any of these boat episodes are in that category, but I bet there are other In Search Of episodes that are [00:33:31] Ian: Thinking of In Search Of as a whole, the ideas and the type of weirdness it loves to talk about. I have, have spread. There are, there's, I'm, I'm referencing YouTube so much because this attitude is now living on YouTube, this curiosity and this wonder and this formatting in its own ways. And I kind of like that. I, I'm, I'm, I'm worried, I'm leaning towards our final notes for this one already, but there's something about this, like looking at this across it all. Being able to select a topic and just pull from all of In Search Of shows you the, the structure as much as it does the topic. [00:34:16] Matthew: It does. And I, I think you're right. We are, , moving towards our final questions here. But yeah, there's something about the way the kind of documentary filmmaking that was used in this show. That is still viable and, uh and is also now more accessible. You don't need a production company and, a syndication deal to do this. [00:34:36] Ian: Yeah. [00:34:38] Matthew: But yeah, maybe we are headed towards our final questions. [00:34:42] Ian: Okay. [00:34:43] Matthew: So please stay tuned for, some additional comments about In Search Of and In Search Of ... On A Boat. But in the meantime, if you're enjoying the Inter Millennium Media project, you want more, please go to IMMProject.com and that's where you will find all of our back episodes, including some bonus episodes and including our previous two discussions of In Search Of [00:35:04] Ian: Exactly [00:35:05] Matthew: And Mission Impossible for that matter. [00:35:07] Ian: In Search Of a trained thief cat. [00:35:14] Matthew: Oh, you listen to our Mission Impossible episode. That'll make sense. [00:35:17] Ian: Yay. [00:35:19] Matthew: And if you wanna support the show and get even more, you can join us on Patreon, where starting at $3 a month, you can get additional bonus audio content. And if you join us at the movie club level, you will get a mystery DVD in the mail periodically. And you can also support the show and get cool stuff by going to our shop where we've got t-shirts and coffee mugs and all kinds of fun things. not just for the show itself, but for some of the things we've talked about, some of the TV and movies from the past century. [00:35:49] Ian: Absolutely. And we keep on working on adding more stuff to it. So keep an eye on what's there. We are hoping to have more things coming this year. [00:35:58] Matthew: of course we always would love to hear from you. So you go to our, uh, page art IMMProject.com. You'll find ways to contact us by email or on our discord. You can also find us on Blue Sky and Mastodon as IMMMProject, and, you can send us actual mail through our post office box. [00:36:16] Ian: Exactly. [00:36:18] Matthew: And Ian, where can people find you? [00:36:20] Ian: I can be found online as ItemCrafting. Be that ItemCrafting on blue sky. ItemCrafting Live on Twitch or ItemCrafting.com. And how about you, dad? [00:36:32] Matthew: Well, you can find me at bymatthewporter.com and that's where you'll find, uh, my blog as well as links to anything else I'm doing, including my YouTube channel, featuring the Drafthouse diary, which is a record of every one of my visits to an Alamo Drafthouse, uh, to watch movies anywhere in the country. And you'll also find information about my book that is coming up. It'll be out on May 19th. It's called Questions for the Dead. If you go to bymatthewporter.com and click on the book cover, you'll find more information as well as all the places you can pre-order either an ebook or a paperback. With an audio book planned for later this year. [00:37:10] Ian: If you are a fan of the kind of fun supernatural, but take it seriously elements that In Search Of does to the real world. Questions for the Dead is a good one for that. I like it. It's got, it's got some of that same, fun ideas and supernatural element going on. [00:37:25] Matthew: Well, that brings us to our, our final questions, which are a little bit odd given the fact that this is our third time talking about this TV show. Yeah. Usually our TV show, uh, question is, binge or no binge. [00:37:39] Ian: I think that In Search Of on a boat is a binge-worthy set. This was a great set to watch together. This was fun. I, I enjoy every time we come back to In Search Of, and there's something about, this is something that's sailed the network, , waves for years and unfortunately crashed and sank. They've attempted to make new ships with the same name, but. We are looking at what, what is here now and investigating it ourselves and I'm finding it interesting. So I'm glad we're, we're diving down and taking a look at not just the, what it was carrying, but the structure of this, this show's ship itself. [00:38:21] Matthew: I agree. I still say binge. I think it's worth watching. It's, it's fun. And it's also, it's kind of low impact viewing too. It's not a huge investment. Yeah. Granted there are. 144 episodes, but without commercials, every one of them is somewhere between 20 and 22 minutes long. Mm-hmm. And that means that you can, if you have the complete series, which is available as a DVD set, if you've got the series, you can just, you can watch the whole thing or you can do what we've been doing these last few episodes, which is pick a theme. And go through and watch the episodes for that theme. We've suggested two themes now, one with aliens, one with boats, and there are others. And we'll probably be back with more of these about those other themes. But you can also pick your own themes if you know and love In Search Of, are there sets of episodes that you like and themes that you like and that you would like us to approach as we kept watching episodes? Let us know. [00:39:17] Ian: I love this kind of format and I wish I, I miss the days of like, In Search Of, or, beyond belief with Jonathan Frakes, things like that. Like give me those shows that put the. The fun and the, and the, the artsy back into the, the strange and the mysterious. I, I miss that element. I feel like nowadays any content that's like this takes itself, it so not just, it doesn't not take itself seriously, but it's like, it doesn't appreciate being an art form. [00:39:53] Matthew: Yes. [00:39:54] Ian: It's so wrapped up in trying to prove itself. Right. [00:39:57] Matthew: The presentation of In Search Of was always very serious, very trying to be scholarly, trying to be academic and reportorial, and, and yet it, there was this vibe that acknowledged, this is weird stuff we're talking about. Hmm, we're gonna talk about it in a serious way with this presentation. But they were never defensive about it and that made it. Clear that we're just presenting this for what it is. Have fun. [00:40:26] Ian: In Search Of is a show that appreciates asking the question and doesn't fear being wrong. It's willing to ask and then say, oh, so it's not that and that's not a problem and I think that's healthy, and so I'm always happy to re-inject some of that. Curiosity without fault. [00:40:49] Matthew: Right [00:40:50] Ian: back in. It was always our investigation. [00:40:53] Matthew: It was always In Search Of, it was never, we found [00:40:56] Ian: exactly In Search Of the name has, the name, has a, it's not, it's not pretentious in that sense. [00:41:05] Matthew: Yep. And, and our usual question for anything like this is revive, reboot, or rest in peace? Uh, well, we can't have a revival, certainly not with Leonard Nimoy, sadly. Rest in peace. [00:41:16] Ian: Yes. [00:41:17] Matthew: Uh, there have been, as you pointed out, there have been reboots , with new companies and with new, hosts I think Mitch Pileggi from the X-Files did one of them. And Zachary Quinto. [00:41:28] Ian: Zachary Quinto from Heroes. [00:41:30] Matthew: Yes. [00:41:31] Ian: Yeah, [00:41:33] Matthew: so sure there, there's always gonna be room for reviving this under the current, under this name or rebooting this under this name and kind of doing the same thing again. But I think it's, it's legacy really is the kind of thing you were talking about where there are other groups in other media like YouTube who are doing similar things, maybe without even the rigor that In Search Of used, but sometimes with at least as much, if not more. [00:42:03] Ian: In some weird way across our episodes, we're building an episode of this show. [00:42:10] Matthew: Yes. [00:42:11] Ian: You've been listening to the third piece of us doing In Search Of, In Search Of, because there was this show that talked about things and we're discussing what had been and making theories as to where it can go because we're trying to find. Where the energy of this show went. And I think we've got some good ideas, but that's part of the investigation [00:42:37] Matthew: and I feel very strongly that we're going to be back with more [00:42:41] Ian: Oh yeah. [00:42:42] Matthew: Special themed. We kept watching episodes in the future. [00:42:45] Ian: Absolutely. It's fun to be on a boat. [00:42:49] Matthew: It is. [00:42:50] Ian: Yeah. [00:42:50] Matthew: And you know, the ocean's mysterious, there's a lot of mysteries that, uh, that it holds because of that. [00:42:56] Ian: Absolutely. [00:42:58] Matthew: And with that, I'm gonna say thank you very much for listening. we're so glad you can join us for this episode, and we will be back in a couple of weeks with more tales of media from the 20th century. [00:43:08] Ian: In the meantime, go find something new to watch.