00:00
           You're seeing the highlight reel, but you're not seeing everything that goes on behind the scenes or the process. But I don't have the motivation to do the things that we want or we've planned to do. Like, I'm not saying I should be a bump on a log that has no, like, ambition in my life. I'm not motivated by anything. I'm not inspired by anything. I'm not saying that.

          
          00:20
           time just like is going by so quickly and there's so many things that i want to do and i want to accomplish with you and just as an individual sometimes when we experience FOMO it's not even because we have a fear of missing out about that thing but it's more so because we want to do the thing that other people are doing

          
          00:47
           Here we explore everything from faith to relationships to personal growth and purpose. Join us as we center these conversations around real-life experiences and vulnerability as two young people figuring it all out. We're happy to have you along for the ride. On today's episode, we talk a little bit about everything.

          
          01:05
           We truly get into the everything in between of our slogan of love, life, and everything in between. So even though today's episode may not be so topical, we hope that you find something today that resonates with you. We're so glad that you're here. So I thought we'd start today's episode with a headspace check. So why don't you tell our listeners and viewers where you're at right now, how you're feeling, you know, how's your mental health doing right now?

          
          01:30
           I think that is a question where you often feel like you have to respond with good. But in efforts to be true to what we said about this podcast, I feel like not the best. And I actually had a appointment with my therapist today and we were talking about this.

          
          01:50
           the same kind of question that you're asking and like, how am I doing? Like, how am I feeling? These kinds of things. And I think I can't really pinpoint one specific reason why I feel the way that I feel, but it's like an accumulation of a lot of different things. One of which being the fact that I'm turning 30 this year and I know you're already old. So like, you don't know you like, you're not feeling this probably. Um,

          
          02:16
           I'm kidding. But I think I'm like dealing with feelings of like, am I where I wanted to be in life now? Like, am I the person I want to be at 30 years old? Like, have I accomplished the things that I wanted to accomplish by now? And then also like the tail end of that is also recognizing that because I'm also getting older now.

          
          02:39
           everyone around me is getting older as well. And I think that's, like, something hard to, like, grapple with in that, like, you're excited to be moving forward and moving ahead. But it also means that there are, like, endings and stuff that, like, are coming up. Like, your dog recently passed. Like, my dog is turning 60 in this July. So, like, I'm, like, prematurely grieving things, which is, like, probably not a healthy way to, like...

          
          03:09
           experience life but I think like where I am right now is kind of like sitting in the in the midst of all of these different conflicting feelings of like not knowing and anxiety and all these kinds of things but I think like side note like I think it's important to like take those to Jesus and like to also get help so like whether that be things like therapy I think it's really important to know that like you don't have to like go through those things on your own is really important

          
          03:39
           You shouldn't be feeling that because you're a married woman is what some people might say to you. What do you say to that? Because you're in this new space of marriage. You should be overjoyed and happy. Well, I think that is one of the reasons why people don't get help. Because it's like, oh, you're a mom. People are depending on you. So you can't possibly need help.

          
          04:02
           Or like, you're a husband, like your family needs you, your wife needs you, so like you can't admit that you need support. And I think the answer to that question is that, so what? Yeah. Like, so what if you're a wife? So what if you're a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, a Christian even? Yeah.

          
          04:20
           You can still struggle with your mental health and you are still allowed to get the help that you need. And so like this isn't like a pity party type of podcast episode. But I think the way that we said we want to come to this and like talk about like figuring life out. I think this really is kind of like the space we're in right now and like traversing like these waters that are not.

          
          04:43
           rough so to speak like there's no conflict or there's no like big like tumultuous waves but it's just the fact that like okay like maybe other things are contributing to feeling a little seasick or something like that to use that analogy but I think like wifedom has like or wifehood maybe has like revealed to me the fact that like I like am older like I'm growing up in a way that like other seasons of my life I probably wasn't as aware and

          
          05:13
           Like when I was 28 and like a single person, like two years shouldn't make such a difference. But for some reason, like also like adding the fact that now I'm married, like I'm thinking about a lot of other things that come with the territory of being married, I guess you could say. Yeah.

          
          05:29
           I don't know if this is like an immigrant parent thing or just like a cultural thing, but some people will say to you, well, perspective is what you need because you have A, B, and C. You shouldn't be experiencing sadness or depression or anxiety.

          
          05:44
           But I think it's important to note that you can feel pure joy simultaneously while you can feel fear and sadness and be in this grieving process. And I think it's important for not just husbands, but spouses in general. And I've had to learn this myself because I think there was a season in our life where I thought that I was responsible for your happiness. Yeah.

          
          06:09
           That I thought that if you were sad, it's because I wasn't doing a good job being a spouse. And one, that's just so self-centered because you're putting your partner's happiness all upon your performance, which is not healthy in general. But two-

          
          06:25
           And it's assuming you have the capacity to like affect that in that way.

          
          06:43
           and think that this is not where I want them to be, but this is also not where I wanna be too. Because as a person who's experiencing something, yeah, of course, as your partner, I want to see you well, but then it's like, oh, they're in this space where they're sad, so I guess now I have to be sad. And I don't think that that's something that's true. I think that you, in order to help your partner,

          
          07:05
           don't have to now drop in in in your happiness or the joy that you feel um but that actually can be like a light and encouragement to that person and i think that's important too because maybe sometimes people feel it's like oh my partner might resent me if like i'm experiencing joy while they're experiencing sorrow and i think i've experienced exactly what you've described like your happiness will rub off on me or like be contagious

          
          07:29
           And like, that's not to say like, I'm never happy. Like, I just feel like I'm experiencing this period of like ambivalence and weariness about like what's to come. And like, as I like press in to like God and like therapy and those kinds of things to like help me deal with those uncertainties, I think it is encouraging to like see you be like fulfilled in your passion to like joy of life, to like feel inspired by that.

          
          07:58
           And I guess there's also going to be different seasons of our life. Yeah. Not that we're always going to be on the same page and not that we're always going to be at differing space in different spaces. Or different wavelengths. But, you know, there is going to be a season where I'm going to feel what you're feeling. Yeah. And one, you're navigating and kind of paving the way through that space because this is a space we've never been in before. Yeah.

          
          08:18
           And two, you'll be more equipped to be able to support me and then also support yourself in the future as those things continue to come up. I think for where I'm at right now, I'm experiencing two things. I feel just really tired, like physically, mentally, even spiritually.

          
          08:36
           And I have this massive feeling of FOMO in a lot of different areas of my life. And in terms of being tired, I mean, apart from just being physically tired because, you know, I work during the day, go, you know, three days a week, I'm going in person.

          
          08:52
           And then coming back home and there's responsibilities. I think I also feel like mentally and emotionally drained sometimes because things tend to compound on each other. And then when I come home, you know, and I know that part of that is I should probably be getting better sleep and be going to the gym and drinking more water. Like that big water bottle you got me from Dollarama and my 2000 milliliters I need to drink a day.

          
          09:16
           There's practical steps that I can be taking. But I think when things can seem so overwhelming, we don't always have the best regimen to counteract that. And sleep is one of those things that everyone's like, you should get seven to eight hours of sleep. But I'm coming home maybe around 6 p.m. I actually just came home before this podcast. And I don't necessarily feel like recording a podcast today. I don't feel like recording content. I feel like sitting on this couch.

          
          09:42
           With one of those soft blankets on your lap right now and eating some Flaming Hot Cheetos and watching Mufasa. I already ate them. Which is what we're going to be doing later. But I don't have the motivation to do the things that we want or we've planned to do. And then you think about this evening. I have to get up at six in the morning tomorrow. And I want to try to maximize the amount of time that we have together because we're away from each other the whole day. Right. Right.

          
          10:07
           So it's not that I have like trouble sleeping. You know that if I hit anything that's like remotely soft, like a pillow. Or even if it's not soft, you'll still sleep. I'm knocked out, right? But I want to be able to maximize this time with you because I feel like, and this kind of ties into the FOMO now, is that time just like is going by so quickly. And there's so many things that I want to do and I want to accomplish with you and just as an individual. Yeah.

          
          10:31
           That I don't know how to find balance in that space right now. I think that piece is kind of like what I was expressing before. So maybe I take back my comment about you already being old. So you've already experienced these kinds of feelings. Because that's exactly what you're describing. Like the same thing that I was talking about before. And like...

          
          10:50
           It's like this idea of like also like FOMO, but also like the comparison track. I think it kind of like works hand in hand. And like for me, it's been like parsing out like what things do I actually care about or want to do versus like what are other people doing that I'm like seeing them doing that I'm experiencing FOMO about that I'm like they're doing it. So then maybe I need to be doing that as well. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Because like sometimes when we experience FOMO,

          
          11:20
           it's not even because we have a fear of missing out about that thing, but it's more so because we want to do the thing that other people are doing. And doing it at a certain age. I know you're 29 and you're creeping up on 30 this year. Don't remind me.

          
          11:36
           And everyone asks like when I turn 30, like does anything feel different besides like the chronic back pain that I need to continue to go to my chiropractor on a regular basis for? I think when I hit 30, it became ever more apparent to me that there are certain things that I haven't done yet in my life.

          
          11:53
           that people are doing in their early 20s and it makes me really like sad and depressed and it's not that i can't accomplish them now but i thought i would have accomplished them you know at certain periods you look at these people not that money is everything but these people who are like in their early 20s who are starting these youtube channels who are vlogging and they're making a hundred thousand dollars a month but not even just that like they're doing things that they're passionate about

          
          12:18
           that things that we are currently doing or that we have a desire to branch off into and we're just not there yet and i mean that could be for a multitude of reasons but it's so it's i think it's weighing on me heavily that i want to make sure that i'm maximizing my time even in the spaces that i am passionate about so that i don't feel like i'm living a life that's a continual like cycle or a continual routine but doing stuff that matter to me we had this conversation yesterday like

          
          12:48
           whether it's your career or whether it's a passion project, like I want to make sure that I have impact in what I'm doing, that I feel intrinsic joy and value from what I do. And I don't know that I necessarily am in that space right now. So I think that's something that's just really been racking my brain and weighing heavily on me.

          
          13:06
           I think like on this idea of like where you're at versus where other people are at and like the whole timing thing. I think society has like constructed this narrative that if you don't meet certain like milestones by a certain level or like age that you're never going to get there.

          
          13:25
           And I don't think that that is true. Yeah. And like one of the things, like if I can share about one of the things that I'm thinking about is obviously like from the day that we got married, people have been asking me, so when are you going to have like a baby? Like what's that like?

          
          13:43
           Right. Not knowing if there's like underlying like health concerns or like financially or like what other things might be like at play there. But like people have just like imposed this thing on me and on us that like, you know, this is what you need to be doing now because you've gotten married. So that box has been checked. But now there's this box. Right. And as much as I want to be a mother, I also feel that God has like equipped me for.

          
          14:13
           the place that I'm in right now in my life and for the work that I'm doing. Like I really truly felt that I came into that by no other way, but by like God's grace. So like, and I'm not saying that like a child would be like doing away with that, but I just think like I have multiple things that are parts of myself that deserve to be explored.

          
          14:36
           right um and so that's just one example like everyone's like oh by the time you turn 30 like you get like the chances of like getting pregnant naturally and blah blah blah like it like you see it all over Instagram or like TikTok or whatever the case is and like everyone wants to say that but there are also lots of stories with people having children after 30 yeah who are like totally healthy and who are totally fine and like the kids are like

          
          15:00
           healthy and happy and thriving and whatever and so like all of that to say like i'm not saying like wait till you're 30 to have kids i'm also not saying have kids when you're 15 like i'm just saying that i think we make a lot of our decisions based on what society tells us we should be doing as opposed to like seeking god's wisdom and guidance to help us make those decisions yeah

          
          15:24
           right like i shouldn't be like leaning on my understanding of like what society thinks i should be doing with my body or with our marriage or with my career or with our finances even i should be obviously talking to you but i should be looking to god for well how do you want me to steward this money how do you want me to use my giftings and my my passions to like be of impact in the world

          
          15:49
           um so I think like that's a really big thing but like back to what you're saying about like FOMO I think a really big thing for me like I had a conversation with myself the other day when I was reflecting and I was like everybody on Instagram has like a mansion okay and like I'm super grateful for our home like when we came from a place where we didn't think it would be possible to have a home like to have something that we can call our own I think is just really like important and like such a testimony

          
          16:18
           But, like, I found myself, like, the other day and I was like, well, I want to have a mansion too. And, like, then I had to, like, pull myself back, like, reel it in. And I'm like, we struggle sometimes just to keep this one clean. Could you imagine if we had a mansion? Like, right now we don't have, in these career building years, we don't have the...

          
          16:37
           like physical wherewithal to be able to do that yeah right and so like as much as it would be nice to have a mansion or like as much as it would be nice to go on a million vacations per year or like as much as it would be nice to insert whatever like are these things that i actually want in this season of life or am i wanting them because i see other people doing them and i think that's what i should be doing this is a perfect analogy this house analogy is a perfect analogy for

          
          17:04
           I think how God chooses to bless those that he loves. And right now I've been watching House of David on Prime Video. And I really love the story of David. But it's so conflicting in understanding the logic. Because David literally served the man who he was taking the anointing from. Not personally, but God had given him this anointing. But he had to serve him. And he had to look at that throne that Saul was sitting on every single day.

          
          17:34
           Maybe clean it or play his harp or do the lowest of lows in terms of duties and jobs. And he had to wait 15 years until he got elevated until that point. So imagine if we knew that in 10 to 15 years, you were going to get that mansion. What would you be doing in that time?

          
          17:52
           And you're right. Like if we had a mansion, we can't even fathom cleaning or maintaining that house. But I think it's because God knows our capacity and he gives us grace for the new seasons we enter into. It's not like we're going to get into a place where we're going to be absolutely perfect to be able to manage or handle that. Like when we got this house, we weren't in perfect standing in every single area of our life. But he knew that he was going to be giving us grace.

          
          18:17
           this new challenge or this new space to be able to enter into. That's a really good point. I think looking so much into the future is debilitating in some ways because it paralyzes you from being present in the right now, like in the blessings that are right now.

          
          18:33
           And like this is not to say you shouldn't be ambitious, right? Like I'm not saying I should be a bump on a log that has no like ambition in my life. I'm not motivated by anything. I'm not inspired by anything. I'm not saying that. But if your constant like life driving force is to only look for the next thing or to get the next shiny thing or to like get the next level of whatever the thing is, sometimes that can be really draining and exhausting too. Yeah.

          
          19:00
           Like, I think there's only a small percentile of people that can have that and have it be sustainable. But for the rest of us, for the other 99.9%, like, you need to be able to find joy. You need to be able to find contentment. That's why there are so many people who are at, like, the upper echelon of society that have still fallen to their demise and, like—

          
          19:22
           taking their own life, for example, or succumbing to depression or whatever the case is, because those things don't fuel your soul, right? And so if I'm always busy trying to run alongside the rat race of keeping up with the Joneses, there is no room for me to stop and breathe and just be

          
          19:41
           we realize that social media exacerbates this feeling of comparison trap. Like I need to be in the space that someone else is, or I'm constantly on the small device on my phone, seeing people just having excess and excess. But you know what, I actually listened to a podcast today and it's interesting, there's this shift lately

          
          20:01
           of moving from this like toxic positivity towards vulnerability and just this sense of realness that people have. Because I was watching how like the vlogging space has changed and how it used to be like, oh, this is my mansion or MTV cribs to now like people attaching, you know, like a GoPro to their shopping cart at the grocery store and showing them how they're actually shopping during like this terror four. And that has become so viral lately because people want to see realness these days. Yeah.

          
          20:30
           I'm sure there's still people that live in that space of vanity. But one of the reasons why, again, we started the show is because we just want to take you through our process and walk you through that. And it's also a great way just to like look back over time to say, hey, this is where we were and this is what God brought us to.

          
          20:46
           But in that space, I know one of our wedding videos, like you mentioned, went viral. Right. And there was a mixed set of comments in that post, like people saying, oh, my God, we love this. Which I want to preface by saying, like, we were posting our wedding content not for virality. Is that even a word? Viral? Yeah. Yeah. Like not for it to go viral, but more so because I think people deserve to see that healthy, godly relationships exist. And it's not like a myth or a fantasy. Right.

          
          21:15
           And so, yeah, continue. Now that we've seen all of these comments from that video, people were saying that this is beautiful. We like to see God's love on display. Wow, this is a beautiful wedding. And then there's people saying like, this is not worship. Like, where's the actual worship? Or why are you posting this? Like, implying that we're doing it for vanity? Yeah.

          
          21:35
           So like, how are you situating how we curate our life now that we have like this platform or this impact, so to speak? Yeah, that's a really good question. I think like another thing to like say, like to whoever's watching this, because thank you to all of you for actually joining because we went from 237 subscribers on YouTube to like 3000 in like a week. Yeah.

          
          21:58
           So thank you to all of you. But I think something that's important to say is a lot of times people might even look at us like I would still consider us like smaller on the scale of like social media people. But people might look at us and be like, they have it all figured out. Like they're so lucky that they have each other. Like somebody commented on one of my videos and they're like, how does it feel to be God's favorite? Because like we have such a love for one another. Yeah.

          
          22:24
           But I think something that's important to like say, like as much as people saw us worshiping on our wedding day and they thought it was this wonderful thing and like it, you know, like made people desire to have that. I think the next side is that we experienced some really painful seasons before our wedding. Like we experienced some really low blows. Yeah.

          
          22:46
           In the months leading up to our wedding that contributed to us being able to worship God and sing of his goodness in the way that we did. Yeah. Right. Like we like it didn't it wouldn't have held as much weight as it held, but it held that weight because we experienced God literally guiding us through some of the darkest times of our lives.

          
          23:06
           So all of that to say, I think a really big thing to realize as well is that you're seeing the highlight reel, but you're not seeing everything that goes on behind the scene or the process. And so even reminding myself of that, like, yes, somebody might be in the space that I want to be or like they have the things that I want to have or they, you know, have experienced whatever, like even like in terms of fitness, like maybe they have the physique that I desire to have, but they've also put in the work.

          
          23:36
           And so I can't expect my day one to look like their 365 day journey. That's a really big thing too, I think. And like us in terms of like the content that we push out or what we're curating, I think I really want like the focus of that to be the authenticity, to be that transparency that like, yo, this is our day two of a journey that like we're walking right now.

          
          24:00
           And like when we look back on this podcast like that, we can see the growth, but we can also see the ways in which that growth is not linear, that it might be like sometimes it's OK and then sometimes it regresses. But that's totally OK.

          
          24:14
           I think death is a very sobering thought and topic that weighs on my mind every day. I ask my friends a lot, what do you think people will say at your funeral when you die? And legacy and impact is something that is always on my mind. So I think in everything that we do and everything that we pursue, I'm constantly thinking about the decisions we make today are going to affect not just our future selves, but our future generations to come. And I think I've...

          
          24:43
           thought more about this more potently in this season of marriage in this season of thinking about being parents in the future than ever before because I don't want to live this life just for gain just for vanity and I also don't want to necessarily be remembered in like a popular type of way but in a way that

          
          25:01
           Someone can look at our lives and say, like, they kept God at the center. They trusted God. And these are the fruits of their sacrifice and their perseverance. And I truly believe that sacrifice, perseverance, and faith are some of the things that will carry us forward.

          
          25:18
           From glory to glory, from different season to different season. And discipline too, I think. Yeah, I think that's a very good point. My therapist was actually asking me something worded a little bit differently, but like when it's all said and done, like what do you want to leave behind?

          
          25:36
           And I think like our pastor was saying a few Sundays ago that you don't bring anything in the casket with you. Facts. Right? Like you have your life experiences, but you're not going to bring the 14 bedroom house. Like you're not going to bring what's like a fancy car. Why am I going to a Bugatti Veyron when it's not like the most fancy car? Like a Porsche 911.

          
          25:58
           Okay, yeah, so you're not going to bring that with you. Like, you're not going to bring the 16 karat engagement ring with you to, like, your casket. And I think, like, the thing that we sometimes forget is, like, while these things are nice to enjoy in the now, it's, like, the essence of who we are and, like, how we made people feel that, like, stays.

          
          26:20
           So I know this is like the most typical question that everyone asks you, but where would you like to see yourself and you would like to see us in the next five to 10 years?

          
          26:31
           I think in the next five to ten years, like, I truly and wholly believe that no matter what it is to come, that, like, God will have our back. And, like, I can say that because I've seen it. Like, I've seen us not have a clue how we were going to get to the end point. Yeah. And, like, God has made a way. And so I know that no matter what the next five, what did you say, five years? Five to ten years. Let's just do five. Sure.

          
          26:55
           So no matter what that five years is going to be. It's hard to see past five years. Yeah, I know. And no matter what that five, bruh, I'll be 35 at that point. Wow. So like no matter what that 35 milestone looks like, I know that God will provide. I know that he will open doors and opportunities and I know that he will hold us exactly where we need to be.

          
          27:16
           But I think to answer your question, like for what I can do, I think I want to be in a better shape physically. I want to be in a better shape psychologically, like mentally. I want to feel more equipped to like handle like the ebbs and flows of life. I feel like sometimes when something like comes to like throw me off my rockers, like I'm completely derailed.

          
          27:39
           So I want to be more like my equilibrium. Like I want to be more baseline like and like firm in that baseline that when like the regular stresses of life happen, I'm not so jolted out of like where I am. And then I think like another thing is like spiritually, I want to be in a place where I know I'm saying it now, but I want to be so like firmly rooted in what I believe and in the truth of who God says I am that like nothing can faze me.

          
          28:09
           Because I think like at that point at 35, ouch, I still haven't learned. But I think like at 35, like who knows, like God willing, maybe we'll have a child by then. Maybe like I will be in like fully established in my career by then. And all of these things, I think you called it a trifecta of like self-improvement.

          
          28:31
           Yeah, on my vision board that I'm starting now in March. Yeah, like the trifecta of those three things, like so like physical, mental, and spiritual, like those three things. If we could get those in check, I think no matter what else happens, like we'll be okay. And I think part of that is because like obviously health is wealth.

          
          28:54
           Yeah. Yeah.

          
          29:12
           Long story short, you might not experience fulfillment in the same way. And then lastly, obviously, which should actually be first, but that spiritual piece is really, really important. I'm not saying this to just boost, but our pastor mentioned this one day, but the statistics of how your mental health improves when you read your word every day. I forget what the number is.

          
          29:39
           But like just reading your Bible every day. And honestly, the days when I don't or like I skip, I feel so much worse than the days when I do read it. And I'm not saying that to say like it will fix everything immediately. But I feel anchored in something that's beyond myself, which a lot of times when I'm anxious, it's because I feel overwhelmed by things I can't control. So the difference there is that when I anchor myself in the one who's controlling everything, I feel a little bit better. Preach it, Shani.

          
          30:08
           I think you hit the nail on the head earlier. And to kind of tie all of this together is the roadmap to the next five years looks like discipline in all areas. If we could sum up everything is discipline physically, mentally, and spiritually. Yeah.

          
          30:23
           So what are we going to be doing now in the foreseeable future? We have to be harder on ourselves. We have to hold ourselves to a different standard. But I think also, wait, hold on. I think also, like, sorry to cut you off. But I think something to add on to that is, yes, you have to be harder on yourself.

          
          30:39
           But you also have to show yourself grace. Because I think for me, I run counter where I'm like, if I'm being harder on myself, then I'm disciplined. But then I throw grace out the window and I'm so hard on myself that it's hard for me to like make mistakes graciously. And I think that part of discipline is giving yourself grace too.

          
          31:00
           I agree. But I think what I more so meant about being harder on myself to elaborate more on that is to stop making excuses for things that are based solely on how I'm feeling. Two things could be true. Like I agree with you, but I feel like we live in such a coddled generation where we have a way out and an excuse for everything. Like Dwight Schrute. Yeah.

          
          31:24
           uh the coddled immune system but no the modern anus oh wow okay we're going there yeah so yeah so i i feel like i feel like discipline is going to carry us into that that season um where we want to see improvements in our life so i know for me right now uh it may seem like a small step for man but i like i said before small step for matt yeah small step for matt but i need to be sleeping better i need to be in my word i need to be if i can't be praying and in my word every day i

          
          31:53
           then I personally feel like I'm failing at life. And that might sound harsh to someone and it might sound legalistic, but I don't mean just for the sake of reading and doing, but if I'm not having a relationship with God every single day, I feel like I'm failing in life. And I think we need to get uncomfortable by having certain conversations and setting certain standards in our life in order to get to that new space. Because insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result the next time.

          
          32:23
           And in order to actually experience increase, in order to actually experience improvement in our life, you have to hold yourself to a different standard. So that was a lot of things that we talked about today. But I think like therapy, it feels so much better to actually go through that. And like get it off your chest. Yeah.

          
          32:38
           And like, sorry if our episodes aren't always topical or like there isn't like a clearly cut thing of what they're about. But I think sometimes it'll be helpful for us to just talk about what we're going through and what we're experiencing because it touches multiple different things that might reach someone where they're at. And our show talks about finding the silver linings in love, life and everything in between.

          
          33:02
           And I just want to make it known that there will always be silver linings in life. Like it might look like a certain way right now, but a lot can change in six months. A lot can change in a year. A lot can change in six days. Or overnight. Yeah. So persevering and staying steadfast and pushing forward are really important principles to continue walking this life, which has ups and downs, ebbs and flows.

          
          33:24
           And just remembering that your journey is your journey and like it doesn't need to look like anybody else's, I think is really important. And I'm like speaking to myself when I say that, because that's what I'm walking through right now. And that, you know, like it's OK to like figure it out. Yeah. Like you don't have to pretend like it's all figured out.