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David Egts: Gunnar what's new?
Gunnar Hellekson: I recently returned from Washington DC.
David Egts: Yeah. Your old stomping grounds one of them.
Gunnar Hellekson: stomping grounds man Tyson's Corner. I realized I had not been there in several years.
David Egts: Yeah strange.
Gunnar Hellekson: it's weird. there's a metro stop. out there
David Egts: Uh-huh. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: but good news is some things don't change. We still had Lebanese Taverna Cheesecake Factory still there
David Egts: Yes, yeah. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: and extremely wealthy people with no apparent occupation still there.
David Egts: Yeah, in that whole other side down the hill there you got all the shops and movie theater. That's all new.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, That's right. There all a sudden in a day. there's an REI that so it's always fun to see how things have changed things how things haven't changed. I was there for work obviously and I went to the office on Tuesday and on Monday and went to go badge in and at that point I realized I was in the wrong building.
David Egts: Okay.
Gunnar Hellekson: because that red Yeah,…
David Egts: You went to the old one?
Gunnar Hellekson: that's right red hat moved its offices since I had been there.
David Egts: Yeah. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: So fortunately the office was just three buildings over so I was able to walk to the place where I was supposed to be but that made me feel old.
David Egts: So you got the old red hat building and the new red hat building and the Salesforce building is right between the two. Yeah, yeah,…
Gunnar Hellekson: is that right?
David Egts: so that's where I go. And so yeah,…
Gunnar Hellekson: Okay.
David Egts: I'll be walking out of that building. Going to lunch and run into all kind of red hat people, ahead and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. I enjoyed walking through your parking lot.
David Egts: had not for lunch. Everything says always delightful.
David Egts: Yeah. It's good times.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's right, and I got back. And a Soren and I did a little bit hanging out and I started playing with the new app. That I can recommend.
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: It's actually two apps. if I get this right, I naturalists is the kind of the big app and…
David Egts: 
Gunnar Hellekson: then there's a kind of a smaller subset featured thing called k. And allows you to walk around and take photos of Flora and Fauna. It will automatically identify the species for you. And then you kind of collect badges basically by identifying more species and it's fun because then all the photos and stuff get geotaged so you can see all the places where you saw that kind of a squirrel or that kind of a pigeon and stuff like this and I am very bad at identifying things like trees. I don't know anyone else from an oak and…
David Egts: Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: and so it's been super helpful for stuff like that.
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: It's really nice and
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Came in handy this morning. when we hear the dogs barking and…
David Egts: Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: they're barking at the fence and trying to get through the fence, which is not they're usually interested in doing they're far too lazy for that and what we discovered was that they were going after a duckling who was just wondering around the neighborhood and…
David Egts: Yeah. solo
Gunnar Hellekson: so Solo all by itself not a great place for duckling to go.
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: So we wouldn't go found the duckling and identified it as a black A duck of one kind or another anyway native to the area which means probably not a pet duck but like a duck in the world.
David Egts: Yes. Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: So we went and took wrap the duck up stuck it in a cardboard box and took it to the wildlife rescue center who presumably knows what to do with it. But yeah. I naturalist and seek is the app. And supervisor and…
David Egts: Okay.
Gunnar Hellekson: I are having a great time just collecting badges. It's like a Pokemon but for real stuff.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah, so is seek inside of natural eye naturalist or is it?
Gunnar Hellekson: It's a separate app and what I think it's doing it. So I naturalist is a whole social network situation. And then seek is just the identification part of the thing.
David Egts: Okay.
David Egts: Got it.
Gunnar Hellekson: So if you want to go make friends you can do eye naturalist, I guess and then seek is just the camera and the collection part of it, which is what I'm there.
David Egts: Okay.
Gunnar Hellekson: But super cool. It was great.
David Egts: Yeah, you know what? I've been collecting. concerts of Aging rockers
Gunnar Hellekson: What's that?
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Gunnar Hellekson: Tell me more.
David Egts: Yeah, so on vacation last week Hershey,…
Gunnar Hellekson: Okay.
David Egts: Hershey, Pennsylvania. So those went out there and between so over seven days I saw. seven bands And when yeah,…
Gunnar Hellekson: Wow.
David Egts: yeah, so it was the first concert in do you know the hives?
Gunnar Hellekson: I do. Yeah.
David Egts: Yeah, so I didn't never heard of them before but they do have a popular song which I have heard on I think an Apple commercial hate to say I told you So that's sort of like they're big song. They warmed up for the Foo Fighters.
Gunnar Hellekson: right
David Egts: And then two days later, we saw the Steve Miller Band opened for Journey who opened for Deaf leopard. And so Steve Miller, he's 80 years old.
Gunnar Hellekson: what?
David Egts: yeah, so I'm looking at Wikipedia listening to him playing he did great and he looked like Somebody that just walked off a golf course, he's wearing black dress shirt. I thought he would be like some hippie Stoner dude and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah, right.
David Egts: not at all. He's like this grandfather the league kind of guy that just really like, let me tell you about this and it's my less Paul was my godfather and he taught me how to play the guitar and he did great and it's for 80 years old. It was amazing. And then yeah,…
Gunnar Hellekson: That's awesome.
David Egts: so then it's like journey and in Def Leppard the most of those guys are 64.
David Egts: And the guitarist he's wearing a leather vest and no shirt and he's all tan and sweaty and he's looking it's a good for him. It's 64. It's like I want to look that good now so he's hitting the gym or something. and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Wow.
David Egts: then Loverboy, I forget the age of that guy, but he like the way I described it to my wife is that Their Loverboy isn't bad. If you don't look directly at them So, they had good songs and everything, but it was like they just didn't look as good and then Sammy Hagar and so Loverboy open for Sammy Hagar last week Monday at Blossom, which is the amphitheater by our house. Sammy Hagar 76 years old.
Gunnar Hellekson: 76
David Egts: 76
Gunnar Hellekson: could Lord
David Egts: yeah, yeah, and he was doing great. he wasn't jumping around doing splits and stuff and he had a little bit of a pot belly but still it's I don't know if his tequila brand is a preservative and that's what's doing it for him or what, he's holding it together.
Gunnar Hellekson: do you believe that he is still driving 55?
David Egts: he never could drive 55 from what the songs and so yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: That's great. you must see the exhausted.
David Egts: My liver hurt after.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah, so it was good time and also in Hershey went up to the Yuengling Brewery and I toured that we did that which was fun where it's the oldest brewery in North America. I think in the United States or…
Gunnar Hellekson: right
David Egts: and so What was interesting is you go into this building and it was dug out of the ground 50 degrees because it was cool. it was almost like walking in a cave, just because it was chilly and everything in there and then you walk through and they take you through the whole thing. So that was fun to go through there compared to today a modern Brewery. They all look the same in terms of all these stainless steel tanks. It looks like a laboratory or walking through
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah got character, just like the Yuengling label.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah.
David Egts: And the beard has a little extra flavor to it, I guess so.
Gunnar Hellekson: That's a great.
David Egts: yeah, So today we got it's a relatively shorter show, but we're gonna talk about raising standards on our mass and also raising our standards on compiling reliable visit tears with British standard. 766
Gunnar Hellekson: we haven't talked about British standard 766 in a while.
David Egts: No, no, I think it's the first time so yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: nice
David Egts: Yeah, for people to get the link to the inaturalist and seek and to check out pictures of Sammy Hagar where they need to go.
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Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, they should go to dgshow.org. That's d and Dave GS and Gunnar show.org.
David Egts: Yeah, okay, and then kind of room floor real quick we got. There's a keyboard that is shape like the Batman signal and as soon as I saw it, that's a keyboard that Gunnar would use. So what?
Gunnar Hellekson: this
David Egts: So to me it would be a great gift idea. But what's your take on that?
Gunnar Hellekson: First of all, it doesn't seem to be enough keys on the keyboard. That's my first complaint. It's split,…
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: because he got keys on the wings and stuff and then you got a trackball in the Middle…
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: where the bat's body is supposed to be Which makes it seem like something that would be very effective on the TARDIS. but less so for everyday use I feel
David Egts: Maybe good quasi ergonomic look to it. It's like a split keyboard, right?
Gunnar Hellekson: that's true. Yeah, That's right. That's right. It is certainly more character than your average split keyboard open it that way.
David Egts: yeah, yeah, let's looks like something you would put in a Hot air balloon or a steampunk sort of thing, control your blimp with it. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, That's right. Yeah my Airship. Yeah, exactly.
David Egts: Yeah. Yeah,…
Gunnar Hellekson: That's right.
David Egts: Yeah, and then yeah, I found a c compiler that is written completely in Vim script.
Gunnar Hellekson: Uh-huh.
David Egts: So for people that don't know there's that, VI and inside of Unix and then there's been which is an enhanced version of VI which includes a scripting tool called Vim script.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: Think about adding add-ons and stuff like that. Somebody wrote a complete C compiler in it. So it'll do an x86 executable. It'll create one. And if you did Hello World like that size a c program it would take about 20 minutes to compile.
Gunnar Hellekson: All So I guess we just stand by for the MS-DOS Port right?
David Egts: Yeah, right it would be a notepad Put it in Notepad. You compiler yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's right. That's right. But that's great.
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: So if you could build the emulator in Vim then in your text editor, you could run a virtual machine S that is running an emulator that is running. Mario Brothers or something like that, right?
David Egts: Yeah, or Minecraft and then inside that you're running an x86 simulation that has Linux on top of it. And then you get them running on Linux and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: then you get the Vim script. So you get your C compiler going.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, you're talking that's right.
David Egts: Yeah makes sense. Occam's razor
David Egts: Yeah. All right,…
Gunnar Hellekson: and excellent
David Egts: and also know too that we're not going to talk about this episode again. So we're two for two. Yeah. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: All right good for us.
David Egts: So what we haven't talked about in a while now that we have covid behind us for a little bit is a masks. Yeah, are you wearing mask on plane and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yes.
David Egts: on and planes and stuff like that or when you went to DC?
Gunnar Hellekson: no, I was thinking about it because covid a remains all around us, but I could not bring myself to…
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: where I'm asking again on the plane and I unscathed. I feel okay, so I guess that works, but plenty of people were wearing them though. It was happening.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah. covid I guess it's still going around and then you got your bird flu is ticking up and yeah, yeah, so We'll see but it's like for your back pocket if you need a mask, so this isn't like a mask. You would wear a surgical mask sort of thing or n95. This is more like a so called party mask that you just pull over you think of it like a guy Fox mask sort of thing,…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: but it's has LEDs in it and it's think of it as a black piece of plastic you put a crush your face. It has colored LEDs in it, and it will
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: the mask will monitor the Tilt angle and how quickly your head moves and I don't know if it looks at your eyes or whatever to figure out whether you're blinking and stuff like that, but it will apparently synchronize your blinking. So whenever you blink it will blink, the LEDs will make you blinking all that so you can't see your face at all you see is this cartoons sort of image of your face or I guess a cartoon Emoji looking thing in front of your face that I describe it.
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Gunnar Hellekson: right Yeah, yeah, that's right. So the mask has LEDs that print crude graphics on your face. that approximate what it thinks your emotional disposition is based on the movements of your head in your eyes and your whatever so For example, you can shake your head side to side and…
David Egts: Yeah, yeah,…
Gunnar Hellekson: then the words know will be printed across the max, right?
David Egts: and it would turn red or something and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah.
David Egts: and the colors will change and everything. So Yeah, yeah. how much would you pay for one of these?
Gunnar Hellekson: I would pay someone to take it off.
David Egts: Yeah. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: I don't know if I'm trying to figure out what problem this is solving. I mean it's funny. they have a Emoji mask, right? But I don't.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Do I need the subtleties of my facial expressions, a face could tell a thousand stories, and it seems like we're taking regular facial movements and reducing those to 16 pre-programmed reactions, you know what I mean, and I'm trying to figure out in…
David Egts: Yep.
Gunnar Hellekson: what context that's useful.
David Egts: as With the introvert in you appreciate that little separation of like I remember you said before that. It's like you enjoyed wearing a mask during covid to go to the store and you're sort of Incognito or you're signaling.
Gunnar Hellekson: yeah. Yeah.
David Egts: You don't want to be bothered this mask with that. Nobody would bother you with this mask on.
Gunnar Hellekson: It's only if you remember that far side cartoon where it's like Nature's way of saying don't touch and it shows like a cat but it's claws out and it shows, like a dog barking and another animal trying to intimidate you and then the fourth panel is a guy with a boot on his head holding a bazooka in a trench coat. Yeah, so like this mask.
David Egts: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He could be wearing this mask. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, so this Mass communicates do Danger Do not interact with this person. No good can come of it. That's what it says to the world.
David Egts: I could imagine that being a movie for a bank heist Maybe.
Gunnar Hellekson: yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay, right. Yes Bank heists check. Yeah.
David Egts: That's a free idea for the Cutie mask people. It's like they could get a little marketing partnership going with a bank heist movie. Yeah, and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: it does signal. It's like I don't want to be bothered which I'm all for right? that's kind of great in I can imagine people maybe wearing it to a rave or something maybe.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, I would wear it on a plane.
David Egts: Yeah this great way to not have anybody bother you. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, do you want any peanuts comes up on my mask. Yeah.
David Egts: Yeah, and no when you would have to take your mask off to eat them so you'd have to not know. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: All right. Yeah, I guess that's right. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Weird what a weird thing and it's a Kickstarter.
David Egts: 229 right now you could have got in early, but the first round is over and it's 229 out the door. If you want to get one. It includes a mask plus a nice cotton bag to store it in it assuming there are times that you're not going to wear it.
Gunnar Hellekson: I can imagine there must be some people there who would find great In residing behind this mask, right?
David Egts: Yeah, that's probably like a super villain Maybe. Or somebody wants to be a super villain.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Yes, that's right or like a DJ?
David Egts: Through that would be good that the DJ at the Rave can wear it? Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: At the Rave or super villain or a supervillain DJ. Yeah.
David Egts: Yeah, super villain DJ at a bar. Mitzvah. So yeah. what lots of ideas lots of these are all free for the Cutie mask people they can we're trying to help.
Gunnar Hellekson: Great.
David Egts: All So what I haven't talked to Steven p**** and while you remember him.
Gunnar Hellekson: I know in appreciate Steven p****. I miss that guy.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah, he was on the show and I dug through our archives. I don't know where we had the episode with him in it, but I couldn't find it. I did some searching and I couldn't find it. but I remember he was like a big GIS guy. and yeah,…
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Gunnar Hellekson: Yes.
David Egts: so, doing was a post GIS and all that stuff so I would love his take on this but if
David Egts: so long story made long is that there's the North Yorkshire Council, I guess in the UK, They are phasing out apostrophe use in street signs.
Gunnar Hellekson: okay.
David Egts: Yeah, think Saint Mary's Street, so where it's possessive. they're phasing it out.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yes.
David Egts: And so it's like I gotta check this out. It's like why it's the first thing I'm thinking So here we go with strap in we're going down the rabbit hole.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: So the North Yorkshire Council says that along with many others across the county our country. They've opted to eliminate the apostrophe from street signs and a spokesperson from North Yorkshire said that all punctuation will be considered but avoided where possible all functionation will be considered but avoided where possible because street names addresses when stored in databases must meet the standards set out and seven six six
David Egts: Sounds reasonable and an Insight okay and it's what is bs7666 and so winds up it's British standard seven six six. So think of it like a nist special publication, but it's by the British standards institution group or BSI group. which I never heard of and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah.
David Egts: but they're not a government organization. They're more an IEEE sort of like organization it's maybe a nonprofit or something. They come up with these standards for the British and everything but what happened was
David Egts: The council person said that bs-7666 restricts the use of punctuation and special characters like apostrophes, hyphens and ampersands to avoid potential problems when searching databases as these characters have specific meanings in computer systems. And the reality is and this is what's important for when you're a cocktail party is and somebody brings up bs766. It is not a restriction the standard actually it discourages it, but it doesn't prohibit it.
Gunnar Hellekson: an important distinction
David Egts: Yes, yes, and so you wouldn't believe how long it took me to figure this out searching through it. so I'm looking at Gemini and it's like going back and forth with it. I'm I'm on the BSI Group website trying to look up the standards to substantiate the claims and everything and it winds up that BSI 766. There's a blog post that talks entitled from the BSI group updating the National Standard on how to compile a reliable Gazette here. I didn't even know what it is a theory is and so I had to look that up and go further down the rabbit hole, and it's
David Egts: and so according to Gemini reliable because here is a geographical dictionary or directory that provides accurate and up-to-date information about places including their names locations features and other relevant details and that there are essential for various applications such as mapping navigation and GIS systems and research So basically this blog post talks about how to build these databases properly and be a seven six six is actually published in between 1994 and 1996 in four parts. They added part 0 so the parts one two, three and four. They added part zero in 2006 and then part zero subsumed Parts three and part one the revised part one got subsumed in part 4. So now
David Egts: Or I'm sorry part four is in part one. So now if you look up all the UNA pull down bs7666 they're forced standards left. it's zero one two, and five and…
Gunnar Hellekson: 
David Egts: it's like, okay. let's look at these I give you the PDF. I'm searching for the PDF.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: It could be yours. each one of those four documents range between 150 and 208 pounds if you want to pull it down. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Good Lord.
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David Egts: and the 2021 version that came out they have an upsell on that one where you could pay 150 pounds for the regular version or…
Gunnar Hellekson: This is the kind of thing that makes the Open Standards folks apoplectic, right?
David Egts: if you want to get the track changes version that shows you the differences between Was it the 2006 version and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but this idea that the British standards Institute or…
David Egts: the 2021 version they upsell it that from 150 pounds to 196 pounds?
Gunnar Hellekson: institution is creating these standards that everyone or all these organizations must comply with but in order to even read the standard you need to have 200 pounds in your pocket,…
David Egts: Not unless you're part of the BSI group and…
Gunnar Hellekson: right? That's
David Egts: and you're just rolling in money of all these reports that people are buying right. that's…
Gunnar Hellekson: Right, right a discount too.
David Egts: how they get you.
Gunnar Hellekson: It's like you can subscribe to the whole thing. You get. Yeah. this reminds me the US court system Remember the Pacer database?
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, so the US court so David as you know, our judicial system is run by a precedent.
David Egts: Yeah, yeah, or you could be a member and…
Gunnar Hellekson: And so in order to understand precedent,…
David Egts: you get a discount.
Gunnar Hellekson: you need to be able to read decisions that have been made in the past right? Because they extend an accentuate and…
David Egts: No, it's not right. right
Gunnar Hellekson: make more specific the laws that the legislature has passed and so there is a repository for this…
David Egts: 
Gunnar Hellekson: which is called the Pacer database that run by the Department of Justice and that Pacer database is pay to play you have to pay by the page. For all these Court decisions and…
David Egts: Okay.
Gunnar Hellekson: so the information in the Pacer database has the weight of law. So you can read the law as passed by the legislature but to see how the law was actually implemented by the court system. You need to pay by the page to understand it. So this is the thing that you remember Aaron Schwartz.
David Egts: wow.
Gunnar Hellekson: So he built the recap database which was a browser plugin that allowed you to everything you downloaded from Pacer. It would automatically upload to a separate database. Thereby freeing it for everyone's use. and some would say that the extent to which the Department of Justice hounded Aaron Schwartz on this drove him to his very unfortunate suicide. But yeah, that's the pain. That's the story of Pacer in recap. Anyway, moral of the story is if you're gonna be a standards organization, you can't charge for the standard. That's crazy.
David Egts: Okay. Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah.
David Egts: Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, there's other ways of doing it right there's Charging people money to develop the standard right?
David Egts: I mean it doesn't like IEEE and…
Gunnar Hellekson: That's one way so that's kind of let's call that a Linux Foundation kind of a situation right…
David Egts: they all do that or them,…
Gunnar Hellekson: where you've got everyone pays into the kitty and…
David Egts: it's like what's the best way to stay in business outside of being like a nest that's government funded and…
Gunnar Hellekson: then develops the document that is then open to everybody right? That's Yeah,…
David Egts: it's like here's your 853 right here.
Gunnar Hellekson: that's right.
David Egts: Pull it down. Enjoy it,…
David Egts: but how yeah
Gunnar Hellekson: Or…
Gunnar Hellekson: yes, the government especially if this thing is going to have the weight of law. The government is almost obligated to do it, I feel right.
David Egts: okay.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
David Egts: Yeah, they could be on the board and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah exactly Government funding engineer exactly.
David Egts: have more of a city. Yeah. Yeah,…
David Egts: that's fair. Yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: but man You had a lot of how did you do this and C7 concerts last week?
David Egts: Yeah, if you're going to conform to it, they got to make it available. It's sort of is like GFE.
David Egts: Yeah.
David Egts: That no.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah.
David Egts: This is my Sunday. I got to put the show notes together and it's like that took me all Sunday to holy crap go down this rabbit hole and probably right now Steven is listening this just screaming it is a phones you're wrong. You don't get it. So I'd love isn't his input on this and get his take on this. but if we take a step back, That
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, clean your inputs, right
David Egts: what problem we're trying to solve here.
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David Egts: good Instead of eliminating apostrophes ampersands, hyphens all that. I shouldn't we instead require that the databases or…
Gunnar Hellekson: It's a little Bobby drop tables.
David Egts: or The standard is like you're using applications that are sanitized for the inputs.
David Egts: And Which goes back to and…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yes, that's right. That's right.
David Egts: I have it in the show notes the classic XKCD Bobby drop tables.
Gunnar Hellekson: filed instead. We're gonna go reissue all the street signs in North Yorkshire County, right?
David Egts: Yeah, So that's to me. It's like why are for me what they should just say? It's like right your code needs to be able to handle this.
Gunnar Hellekson: Mm- That's right. So here Dave I have okay, here's the theme for the…
David Egts: yeah, and then think about your data searching and…
Gunnar Hellekson: There's the masks. you got the Yorkshire Council I think in both cases we're talking about.
David Egts: all that you got to update your code to …
Gunnar Hellekson: ways in which We limit human expression.
David Egts: if I search in Google Maps or…
David Egts: whatever, …
Gunnar Hellekson: And I'm gonna say as a category things that limit human expression.
David Egts: it's like do I search with the apostrophe or not?
Gunnar Hellekson: Are categorically bad.
Gunnar Hellekson: And you shouldn't have to pay for legally blinding standards. That's the other part.
Gunnar Hellekson: No, it's gonna be hard. Although I may be on a plane…
David Egts: Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: if it wasn't so bulky. I would probably take it on a plane. Way more effective than headphones. You know what I'm saying?
David Egts: Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: Okay, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
David Egts: So I still can't sell you on the mask.
Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. Yeah. Yeah way more value on the mask side than I'm then on bs766. Yes agree.
David Egts: I would rather have the mask then a copy of bs766. If I had dollar for dollar right, it's yeah.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yes.
Gunnar Hellekson: DG show.org,…
David Egts: Okay.
Gunnar Hellekson: isn't Dave That's right.
David Egts: All I think we're all set now. So if…
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
David Egts: if let's say you walk on to a plane.
Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, actually that person would be you Dave.
David Egts: You see somebody wearing the mask. And then they're reading a copy of bs7666.
David Egts: Where do you send them?
Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. That's right.
David Egts: Of course, or they will send you.
David Egts: Yeah.
David Egts: Ruby you would never know I would be behind the Mist. So yeah, it's me with my highlighter and trying to get to the bottom of looking for the apostrophe. It's like what I'm never gonna get that time back.
Gunnar Hellekson: fantastic fantastic
David Egts: It's in as well as the people that just listen to this episode. you could carry it forward and…
Gunnar Hellekson: All right. That's all I got. Dave. Thanks, everyone.
David Egts: and next cocktail party, bring up the talk about apostrophes and b s seven six six and never be invited to another cocktail party again, and you could just put your mask on.
David Egts: Yeah.
David Egts: Okay, Gunnar. that's all I got.
David Egts: Bye everybody.