This editable transcript was computer generated and might contain errors. People can also change the text after it was created. Gunnar Hellekson: I'm getting excited for Summit. David Egts: Yeah, it's just weeks away, right? Next week. Gunnar Hellekson: It's a next week. Yeah. In fact by the time people listen to this it will probably be this week. David Egts: Yeah. Wow. David Egts: Yes last month. Gunnar Hellekson: Or last week. That's Yeah, so I don't want to give anything away. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: But I am excited. There's a bird announcing a ton of fun stuff. David Egts: We can cover it in the next episode good. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, absolutely. cool David Egts: Yeah. Yeah makes I'm excited. I'm sure it has AI washed all over it. Gunnar Hellekson: I don't know what you're talking about, Dave. Never heard of it. David Egts: Yeah, never heard of it. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yes, I'm sure the word say I will pass my lips several times next week. Yes, of… David Egts: Nice awesome. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: It is the law. That's right. But in the meantime when I'm not working on Summit, what I've been enjoying on the television. resident alien David Egts: what? David Egts: that's a TV series and then Netflix is reshowing it or it was Sci-fi,… Gunnar Hellekson: It was on sci-fi allentudic. David Egts: that's right. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. based on a Dark Horse comic from… David Egts: Yeah, yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: what I understand, but it's a classic Fish Out of Water alien crash lands in small town in Denver and then seals himself as a human and so, you can imagine All the plots you can guess at all the wacky situations he gets in you could get that but it is done. It is first of all so funny and it is also so human And sensitively thoughtfully done just super high quality. David Egts: nice Gunnar Hellekson: It's a great time. I watch funny stuff all the time and it takes a lot to get me to laugh out loud on a television show. David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Especially this is the first television show I have watched where my wife nudged me or punched me on the couch and was like, shut up. The kids are sleeping. David Egts: Wow. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's a strong recommendation. David Egts: Yeah, is it kid-friendly or would they appreciate it? Or is it no, they're not ready for that yet? Gunnar Hellekson: Maybe you're older teenagers might enjoy. the language is a little bit zesty on the dialogue but David Egts: Okay, Got it. Gunnar Hellekson: yes, but it is a lovely story. It's lovely. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah, what else is going on? Gunnar Hellekson: Let's you're a pocket man. get pocket use the Firefox Mozilla I guess property and… David Egts: Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: I start I can't remember why I defected from pocket. It was years ago. But I've been on Insta paper for a while. but same time right and instant paper just added AI summaries. which has utterly changed the game on this… David Egts: David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: because save an article instant paper keeps track of all these articles that I want to read later and then it's one place to go and it's all formatted in the same way and all the ads are ripped out and those okay, so it does all the instant papers and… David Egts: Wow. Gunnar Hellekson: and then there's a drawer that I can slide if I just slide to the right there's a drawer the pups out which will generate an AI summary of the article for me and then highlight Passages from the article that it thinks I might be interested in. David Egts: Gunnar Hellekson: So in the same way, this is kind of next level article review. So I know that you enjoy listening to it read to you. And I would do that too. David Egts: Yes. Gunnar Hellekson: If I didn't have podcasts If I need to consume things in that way. I kind of just immediately go to my podcast queue but this is a great way of going through these articles and being look at the summary look at the highlights and is this something actually want to read in for both and as you know 90% of the time you don't actually want to read the whole article you just kind of want to get the upshot and… David Egts: Yeah now in and… Gunnar Hellekson: this instant paper summary delivers. It is rad. I love it. Yeah. David Egts: when you say that it highlights the things that it thinks will find as interest to you. is it basing it upon your reading history and what you've highlighted in the past? Gunnar Hellekson: Who knows I do know that it is surprisingly accurate, it'll highlight things even when they are not kind of germane to the thesis but look interesting or… David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: how writers get really great turns of phrase and particular passages. It'll show those to you. So maybe it's like crowdsourcing it from all the other newspaper users. who knows but it's a super handy. I'm happy to have this new AI helper in my life. David Egts: nice, no, and to me that's A very straightforward application of something that's already been figured out but very useful. AI summaries that's a generative AI thing for a while now. 00:05:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Yes, that's right. David Egts: So that's a great application and the highlighting I think is the sprinkles icing on the Cupcake. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah,… David Egts: Yeah. No. Gunnar Hellekson: totally agree. what's going on with you? What's new with how the headphones working out? David Egts: Yeah, so I'm still getting used to them. I'm enjoying them, but we recorded the last episode and I don't know if I was exhausted or what but I have the refrigerator with the water dispenser in it and everything and I forget what I was doing. I was like I had the earbuds in and I stuck it in there to fill it up and it's filling up and everything and I think I went to put something in the microwave and all that and I'm so used to hearing the pitch of the water going in and I could hear it when it's full, just from the high pitch of it. Noise cancellation you don't hear that. So then a couple minutes later I go back to it. Just water all over the floors like garage, so yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: yeah. David Egts: So it's working. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, and you didn't realize how much you relied on? The audio queue, right? David Egts: Yeah, yeah, so what they've got run over by a truck, it's like up but the earbuds are working yeah, but Yeah, we got a great show shined up wind up for us today for everybody. We're gonna be talking about with fake law AI with politicians,… Gunnar Hellekson: Right. David Egts: so that's going to be fun. And then drones for electric vehicles and then paid memberships for Chuck E. Cheese. Gunnar Hellekson: I'm excited to hear about this Chuck E. Cheese news. This is David Egts: yeah. Yeah get your credit card ready. so for people to get the link to the insta paper summaries and all that Resident alien where we need to send them. Gunnar Hellekson: yeah, they need to go to a dgshow.org. That's d as in Dave G is in Gunnar show.org. David Egts: Yeah, yeah, and then Cutting Room floor, when was the last time you used thermal paste? Gunnar Hellekson: it's been a minute. David Egts: Yeah, yeah. Do you want to explain what that is to people that don't know what that is? Gunnar Hellekson: what I think you're referring to is it's like that paste that you put on electronics to make sure that they are not accumulating too much heat that they're bleeding heat off correctly. Is that right? David Egts: Yeah, yeah, you basically put that in between a heat sink and the CPU or a GPU and so instead of taking one of those big metal heat sinks and putting it right on the CPU use the thermal paste and it does a better job of any air in between to just suck that all the air or to take the heat off of the CPU or GPU. And then send it through the heat sink without going through air and it winds up. There's a company called cwtp that they have a limited edition version of thermal paste that is scented. Gunnar Hellekson: A little treat. David Egts: Yeah, so it apparently smells flowers from heaven and maybe it's like a heat induced, so as you are as your CPU heats up more you get more of the smell of flowers from heaven and… Gunnar Hellekson: David Egts: it also comes with the commemorative resin card for this. limited edition, so Who knew? Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. David Egts: And then we were just listening to the MIT license sung by an AI generated sad girl. Gunnar Hellekson: That's great. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah nailed it. David Egts: Yeah, so this person just took the MIT license pumped it was it so suno.com and then it'll generate a song you give it the genre and it'll generate song and it's really nice. It's something I would listen to in a Panera, Gunnar Hellekson: It's certainly the most impassioned reading of the MIT license I've ever heard. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah, yeah the quote from the article that said my favorite part is at about one minute 25 seconds. It Nails the warranties of merchant ability with a beautiful Imogen Heap style glistando and immediately pronounces Fitness as festive. 00:10:00 David Egts: so Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Creative lights creative license, right? David Egts: Yeah the MIT license so David Egts: and speaking of generative AI how the top apps on the App Stores nowadays are virtual girlfriends that are AI generated. yeah, and Gunnar Hellekson: but I mean for you, I'm sure that's the case. Yes. David Egts: But right for me, absolutely. Yeah. No, not at all. So there is a new app out. it's called angry GF or angry girlfriend. So it's a romantic chatbot with a girlfriend. That's always angry. David Egts: So it's simulates scenarios where female partners are angry prompting users to comfort their angry AI Partners through a gamified approach. And what will happen is this game of fried approach? you start off a session and then there's a forgiveness level that ranges anywhere from zero to a hundred percent. So you're either zero percent forgiven or a hundred percent forgiven, tries to say soothing things to get you to get the Forgiveness meter back to 100. And so this person I was testing the app out and shows the scenario called angry for no reason. David Egts: And then let's see the Forgiveness meter was set to 30% and I guess the person had a really hard time achieving the scenario. And I guess there are more scenarios that you could get for a mirror 6.99 a week. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, I think so. it says angry girlfriend, but I presume it could also be angry boyfriend. At least I hope so, but this reminds me of several friends of mine in high school who played this game kind of analog if you know what I mean. that's all they seem drawn to Partners for whom they got a low forgiveness score and then Things rarely improved from there, you know what I mean? David Egts: so they were attracted to the drama and still had to go trouble digging out of it. Gunnar Hellekson: Yes. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's That's right. So I say so there's a market for this there is an audience. David Egts: Yeah, yeah. David Egts: So 699 that's… Gunnar Hellekson: Certainly something. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, right. David Egts: what the market wants. So yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: So our therapeutic reasons for this app. David Egts: Yeah, no and in all seriousness, it was written by a lady. That was like I'm tired of men not understanding and trying to be compassionate and everything and this is a gamified way for people to be more empathetic and understanding and all that. So, okay. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Nice, it's great. That's great. David Egts: but let's take a look at the news here. So we're always looking on the lookout for law firms and what they're up to. So there's apparently an Generated Law Firm that has generated lawyers that AI generated takedown requests Yeah, and so what they'll do is they will reach out to somebody who has a web page or something and send this literally threatening letter saying that hey you're using this image that is copyrighted material and instead of it being a takedown notice that it's like you got to take it off. They'll say that what you need to do is actually link to the author or the creator of that image. David Egts: and it's actually an SEO scam. So it links back to a web page to help boost the SEO of the people that have that our customers of this fake water Law Firm. Gunnar Hellekson: Geez. David Egts: Yeah, but I got the link in the show notes. Check out Commonwealth Legal Services their web page. And let me know… Gunnar Hellekson: alright David Egts: if it passes the Turing test to you. Gunnar Hellekson: Alright, I'll click game. It's opening. Gunnar Hellekson: This website was written by an AI. David Egts: You think so what makes you tell? 00:15:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Commonwealth legal team welcomes you experience exceptional legal support from our team of proficient lawyers proficient. dealing with issues like concept disagreements personal injury other legal challenges question mark We've got your back contact us now to arrange a meeting with one of our seasoned legal experts. David Egts: mmm Gunnar Hellekson: These are not words that lawyers use to describe themselves. David Egts: But look at the people they look totally real right? Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, Yeah. No, they do not they look like these were randomly generated. Yeah. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: This is awful. Yeah. it's actually funny because as I'm looking at this You can't look at this and immediately know that it was generated, a robot wrote this whole thing, but if you ask me specifically what the Tells were I couldn't tell you what the Tells were. You know what I'm saying? It might have something to do with All of the headshots have the same kind of flat lighting. That what? David Egts: Yep. Gunnar Hellekson: I mean, it's okay they're weirdly uniform. That's at least part of it. David Egts: And They're all like English names gamble Carter. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yes, correct all Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. it's funny because it's so vanilla.'s what that's the tell is that everything about it is a vanilla, right? David Egts: Yeah, yeah the original article I have in the show notes. It talks about the portraits of the lawyers having a thousand yard stair. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yes. Yes, that's good. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah, do you know who else has law degrees and uses AI? Gunnar Hellekson: elected officials David Egts: yeah, yeah, so In Canada, there are members of parliament that there's a jobs Bill and I'm sure by the time this goes to error that the vote has already passed and all that but apparently the Liberals are pushing through this jobs bill and the conservatives are trying to pump the brakes on it. And so the conservative it is proposed 19,600 amendments to an 18 page bill. And then yeah,… Gunnar Hellekson: whoa David Egts: and then ultimately it decreased down to 200 once the bill left committee. And then they said if that they have to read every single one into the record and then do votes on them, but they said that they expected the votes not to be more than 64. But at about 15 minutes for each vote. They said that it'll take 15 hours straight to get through them all. Gunnar Hellekson: It's a denial of service attack. David Egts: Yeah, yeah a political one, right? Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: right David Egts: And just imagine it's like how things are polarized. and this is Weaponization of AI right and what we're in for, in the US as people take advantage of, the capability that they have to I think about filibustering where they would pull the phone book out and just start reading stuff. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, right,… David Egts: It's like a modern day version of that. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's So it seems like they would have to adapt by creating some rules where the burden falls on the petitioner right or the amender. Of the bill,… David Egts: Mm-hmm Gunnar Hellekson: so it's more expensive for them to write or submit than it is for them to read review and process the incoming request, right? You've also got me thinking there are other this also sounds like a way of really jacking up an open source project, right? David Egts: Yep. No. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah,… Gunnar Hellekson: just like shower it with frivolous PRS, right? David Egts: pull requests. Yet. Yeah. Yeah. for sure and… Gunnar Hellekson: interesting David Egts: or even imagine a Was FCC and they'll always do rfcs for it's net neutrality and all that and… Gunnar Hellekson: Right. Yep. David Egts: just imagine that being automated and trying to sort. Week from chaff of who's legit and who isn't and all that and then … Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah. David Egts: maybe people have to have some sort of login DACA of identity to be able to voice their opinion, but almost that also sort of negates any sort of Anonymity right that people may be afraid to voice their concern under their own name, so I don't know. Gunnar Hellekson: we talked about on the show before where all of this the level of Automation and the level to which creative acts can be automated even like the drafting of legislation. It could be automated is gonna seems inevitable to have a kind of a backlash where for example anyone can a comment but yes, maybe there's a login.gov kind of filtered a force people to have real identities when they submit but in the end it's going to be the person who can afford to show up in the Senators office and explain why they took us in such a position or why they're gonna show up in the regulator's office and why they took the position those folks are going to get more weight than the submissions from the great unwashed robots, right? 00:20:00 David Egts: yeah, yeah and imagine too you have these bills nobody reads because they're just no human could possibly read it in that period of time and everything and I forget if It's either a book that exists or I'm totally making this Either way. It's a good story. Where imagine you have a plot of a book or a movie where? the AI David Egts: gets involved inside of the legislative process to make certain AI things legal. And it could ultimately take over the government. David Egts: like malevolent AI yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, right, right. Gunnar Hellekson: Man, we are so eloquent for this. We are not ready. David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: We are not ready. David Egts: Yeah, but you know what we are ready for. EVS with built-in drones Gunnar Hellekson: mmm Gunnar Hellekson: So ready for this. Yeah, I've been with my whole life for this ever since I saw what was the cartoon mask? Do you watch The Mask cartoons? David Egts: Yep. Yeah. The ones like Jim Carrey sort of things. Gunnar Hellekson: no, no m-a-sk is that it was an acronym and it was a Thankfully short-lived cartoon that came on at 4pm, right after school and… David Egts: Yeah, yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: there were a whole bunch of cars that had cars inside them and cars that had airplanes that fell out of them and… David Egts: I know. No, I gotta check that out. Gunnar Hellekson: stuff like that. That's what I remember about. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. but this is that in real life. David Egts: Yeah, so it's how in China the EVS are taking off crazy, right And it ranges all over the place from these super cars to more expensive cars, but they still have them where imagine a panel sliding back and then a drone taking off and the Drone will follow you and video Drive the vehicle as you drive down the road and when it's all done it'll redock itself inside. It's a little cubbyhole and then the Doral Sledge. Gunnar Hellekson: That's completely for a listen pretty cool, right? Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah, let's see. It's the twenty of so there's the 150,000 Yang Wang you ate plug-in hybrid SUV. They have a DJI drone this charge in the dedicated roof space and it slides away Thunderbird Style. There's David Egts: there's a 24,000 geely owned Lincoln company. They have one that it's 24,000 car and it's a hood lunch drone from DJI. There's a 98,000 m hero 917 SUV from state owned dong Fang and for a mirror 14,000 extra you could add on an S400 drone from gdu Tech. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. David Egts: and then the author of the article said that the S400 has a power line fault finding laser, which you would expect for $14,000. But it also says that the Drone can carry three kilogram payloads, which could come in handy delivering energy cans of Red Bull for heavy social media sessions. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's and also the country of Ukraine has now entered the chat, I think they would know what to do with the three kill again payload. David Egts: Yeah and speaking of that I'll add the link to the show notes. actually Russia is They flip the script recently on Abrams tanks. So now they're using $500 drones the M1 Abrams tanks and the Russians are blowing up the Abrams tanks with drones for $500 and they did the math and it's a 20,000 to one. cost ratio and… 00:25:00 Gunnar Hellekson: right David Egts: that doesn't include the lives that get lost inside the tank compared to the Drone that just blows itself up. yeah, and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah. David Egts: so to me it's like the days of the Small number of very expensive aircraft carriers and airplanes and stuff are going to give way to the cheaply produced swarms of things that go around and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah. David Egts: causing destruction. So Yeah, just share numbers. but On going back to the drones with the cars. the article said that most drones cannot exceed 27 miles per hour when flying in tunnels autonomously though. so Imagine that kind of stinks. it's fine. When it's doing the video of you like driving around the neighborhood 25 miles an hour maybe. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. David Egts: But you know that you could imagine there's the like to me. It's like, I'm on that Coastline Road and you're hauling or you're just going really fast on the highway that's not going to work. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, right, right. Although I guess I'm trying to think of a good use case for this and maybe it's like the family camping trip. I can now live stream it right? I can launch the Drone off the back of my SUV and… David Egts: Yep. Gunnar Hellekson: Have a I don't know. I'm David Egts: Yeah, yeah to shoot a video of you set in 14,000 on fire. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, pretty much. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah,… Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. David Egts: speaking a certain money on fire. How many times a month do you go to Chuck E. Cheese? Gunnar Hellekson: You not enough not enough. David Egts: you got young ones that they Gunnar Hellekson: I tell what I but Chuck E cheese is kind of thin on the ground around here. Yeah, not that many. not David Egts: Really? Okay. Yeah, because he would think for birthday parties and stuff like that. That would be like a go-to and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, right. David Egts: for the younger ones and all that but I saw an article and I think it was Fast Company. knows AP news and so they were talking about how you have the rise of subscriptions for everything and now companies are doing subscriptions for Panera with a drink subscription or you name it and so with restaurants and so now Chuck E cheese in December, they piloted a Rewards Program so it's not just a loyalty program where you sign up for free and you get points for as much as you use it. You actually pay money to be a part of this Rewards gold tier members top of the line 29.99 a month. David Egts: And then you get 50% off your meals and you get a thousand tickets. and in bronze member 799 a month and then food and beverage discounted at 20% and you get 200 tickets. Gunnar Hellekson: Got this sounds like a scheme for it's a gym membership model. Right the assumption is that somebody's gonna come in and… David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: maybe once every three months to take advantage of this but Seems also maybe designed to get people in the door… David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: because they're actually giving them a thousand tickets. So knowing that one goes alone to check each cheese only in the most dire circumstances. And usually if you're gonna go to Chuck E cheese, you're gonna bring them whole bunch of people with you. David Egts: Yes, yes true. Gunnar Hellekson: right David Egts: And maybe it's a thing that it's like hey, the people are at the counter that are ordering the pizzas and the pictures of soda and all that and then it's like hey the price is whatever, a hundred dollars or it's $70 if you sign up for this subscription and then people cancel it a month later or where House is betting that they forget to cancel it, right? Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. you… David Egts: Yeah. Yep. Gunnar Hellekson: whatever it takes to keep those animatronics going. David Egts: Hi, I can't imagine going there more than once a month. or Gunnar Hellekson: Hey, listen, maybe we get them together with these AI song situations and maybe you could have Chuck E. David Egts: yeah. 00:30:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Cheese himself sing the MIT license text. David Egts: I go for I'd pay for a membership for that. Yeah, and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. David Egts: then You could put in the requests and the kids could make up their own lyrics which could go sideways terribly. David Egts: So yeah, Gunnar Hellekson: That's Yeah, just the 500 tickets And ask you text file and you got yourself a party. David Egts: No. Yeah, there you go. Gunnar Hellekson: that's not David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: These ideas are free Chuck E. Cheese. Just good take them. I'm begging you to do this. It's great. David Egts: That just give us a free membership. Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's all I got. So if People need to hire a fake law firm of AI lawyers they need to add a $14,000 drone to their electric vehicle. Where do we need to send them? Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, they can go to a dgshow.org. That's d and Dave she isn't Gunnar's show.org. David Egts: awesome All right. thanks Gunnar. Thanks everybody. Gunnar Hellekson: All right. Thanks everyone.