Dave hello everybody my name is Dave Jackson and you're listening to tales from the backlog. 02:30.97 Dave This is a video games podcast where we normally do backlog game reviews but we have a discussion episode today joined today by 3 wonderful guests. They're all friends of the show and self-described horror sickos for this podcast here today first up returning to the show. Co-host of half tone takes podcast and game designer Adam Bucceri adam welcome back this was a special episode just for you when this ah topic came up was like well Adam has to be here. 02:52.81 Adam Hello Always a pleasure. 03:01.71 Adam Agreed. 03:04.60 Dave Yeah, we're also joined by co-host of super ghost radio Gerry Thomas Gerry welcome to the show of course I heard you on a podcast describe yourself as a horror sicko so I was like Gerry's got to be here too 03:08.97 Gerry Thanks for having me happy to be here. 03:19.14 Gerry Ah, yeah, . 03:21.57 Dave We're also joined by a game streamer with lots and lots of horror games Dogface Gamer dfg welcome to the show. Yeah, another one where I was like. 03:29.10 DFG That's me thanks for thanks for having me. 03:33.69 Dave Every time I see the notification that the dfg is streaming. It's dead by daylight or some other horror games so dfg has got to be here so we are going to talk about the process of getting into horror games today. But before we get into that I want to give everybody the time at the beginning of the episode. 03:39.75 Adam M. 03:51.40 Dave To ah to talk about that stuff I just talked about so , dfg we'll start with you I mentioned you stream on Twitch. So what kind of stuff. Do you do I already mentioned dead by daylight. But there's other stuff going on too. 04:03.84 DFG So on on twitch I am a variety streamer I play all kinds of games. But I have a huge bent towards horror I Absolutely love the genre dead by daylight. It's not exactly horror in my mind. It's more just get together with friends and have some fun. 04:20.43 DFG It hass like a horror motif but I play all kinds of horror games I Really like indie horror stuff like chill is art and Emica Studios and stuff like that. But yeah I play I'm I'm there 3 times a week and just. If. It's horror I'm probably going to play it. 04:39.69 Dave Hell yeah, awesome and Gerry your first time on the show tell everybody about super ghost radio. 04:46.28 Gerry Ah, we're like I guess like a comedy video game podcast. We kind of just shoot the shit. Mostly we kind of usually pick not like ah a single topic but we got to just talk about like what we're playing what we want to play and what we're gonna play. That kind of thing and it's it's a bi-weekly show that comes out on fridays we do have a twitch channel that I have tried streaming some stuff on. We did stream all of code veronica thank god that is over that was not a good time 05:18.96 DFG Um, that was an amazing game Twenty years ago 05:21.12 Adam Bleak. 05:23.94 Gerry Ah, yeah, it's myself and my two co-hosts Greg and Beth and yeah, we just like to have fun. We don't take ourselves too seriously. And yeah, mostly mostly comedy I'll say we're not professionals in in the. The art of game journalism or anything but we like what we like. 05:46.92 Dave Hell yeah, awesome. Well, it's good stuff. Ah, just today I listened to a top 10 rpgs episode that you recently did , not recent when the time this comes out. But if you go looking back a couple months ago as people hear this, you'll find that episode. I love a good list so I was like oh yeah, got to listen to that for sure. So good stuff. Welcome to the show good to have you and ah returning for the third time I think on the podcast Adam welcome back? Yeah, we previously talked about shadow of the colossus and the resident evil 4 remake on the show. 06:07.32 Gerry Thanks buddy. 06:12.19 Adam Number 3 baby. 06:22.17 Dave And we've talked about enter the survival horror I mean I'm going to pronounce it all in 1 take 1 of these times enter the survival horror and ah last time we talked about what was then the new halftone takes podcast. But for those who didn't listen ah tell everybody about that stuff. 06:38.42 Adam Yeah, so ah, halftone takes is my current project I record with my best friend from College Cory and we ah have a loose interview structure where we take turns interviewing each other about a subject that we're interested in and we're usually talking about media and often. The the conversation becomes ah impassioned pleas to create recklessly and ah talking about my endless fascination with the the realities of creative work the creative process and how you know. Ah, ah media is a miracle every movie that comes out every game that comes out. You know we're we're made under incredible hardship at adversity and just like ah cherishing what we've got and always hoping for for better. 07:29.90 Dave Awesome! Yeah, and tell people about enter the survival horror. 07:32.73 Adam Yeah, yeah, and then enter the survival horror is my flagship ah tabletop game if you go to booCherry that's boo like ghost cherry like fruit dot Itch Dot I o. Ah, you'll find all of my games I've got a bunch of weirdo tabletop stuff as well as ah, a video game prototype and some other weird party games but ah enter the survival horror is my flagship tabletop game. It is obviously inspired by Resident Evil. And I poured everything that I love about that genre into it I think it's really cool and ah yeah, look forward to more of that in the future. 08:15.52 Dave So a little preliminary recommendation at the top of the show for everyone to check out. dfg on Twitch check out super ghost radio halftone takes and adams games on itch and you'll find links down in the show notes for all that stuff. Let's get into our topic today. So I wanted to talk about this talking about getting into horror games because i. For people who've been listening to this show for a long time. You have heard me say many many times that I don't like horror games and that I'll never play games like dead space or you know even I probably said once upon a time that I'll never play a resident evil game. Um. I talked on those episodes about how gone home and scared the shit out of me so bad I uninstalled the game and how firewatch freaked the fuck out of me. Um, and that you'd never catch me playing actual horror games and then flash forward I just beat dead space this afternoon actually. 09:08.72 Adam Hit with it. 09:11.66 Gerry Oh my god. 09:22.14 Dave I'm going to be playing iron lung here soon. A game that I hear is incredibly scary and how the fuck did I get here. It's like that Paul Rudd on hot ones look at us me and Adam have been talking about horror games for the past couple years look at us who would have thought so. 09:36.72 Adam Even. 09:39.10 Dave I Wanted to bring you three on the show and talk about how we all got into horror games and what brought us to it and then for other people out there who are like I don't like being scared because here's the secret I will now say out loud that I really like horror games but I hate being scared. It's not what I want.So before we get too deep into this whole horror game discussion I do want to just have a little time at the beginning so everyone can talk about how they got into horror media in general and your history with the genre since you are all horror sickos. So Adam we'll start with you first and. 11:06.17 Adam Ah, yeah, absolutely ah, as for my own experience with horror games when I was on the resident evil 4 remake episode I talked about my. Ah, college history might I the the exact quote that jala roasted before was my horror awakening. but that was that was that was really quite true. in college. before that I was big scaredy cat and I didn't want anything to do with scary stuff. . 11:22.93 Dave Yeah. 11:37.25 Adam I Have very vivid memories as a kid of going to a sleepover and then putting on a vhs copy of the goose bumps the haunted mask movie and that being too fucking scary for me and I just like was in another room like. 11:48.59 Gerry Um, oh my god. 11:49.55 DFG Um. 11:56.12 Gerry Um, you sweet summer child Imagine if you watch are you afraid of the dark shit. 11:56.76 Adam I want to be here I want to do this? Um I know that's the good stuff. Um, but yeah, like I kind of dabbled in like some horror adjacent media I did read the goosebuams books and I had kind of a fascination even though I didn't want to get involved with it I was interested in people who were interested in it if that makes sense. Um and then in college I had the one two punch of watching John Carpenters the thing and then playing resident evil 4 and that was really not so much a slippery slope as like a rocket sled that took me onto my current trajectory. 12:37.63 Dave Um, in. 12:46.56 Dave Hell yeah Gerry how about you. 12:47.22 Gerry That's a I got to say that's a good combo to to start with the thing that is like that is like you dove into the shallow end and like broke your neck in 14 places and then you were like fuck it I'm doing it again. 12:51.50 Adam Absolutely primo. 13:01.50 Dave Ah. 13:01.60 DFG Um. 13:03.37 Adam Um, yeah, like incredible, incredible start. 13:04.71 Gerry Um, it's so good and then and then to resident evil 4 Yeah, that's that's like I'll never forget the first time playing the initial like village part that was like the like to this day I don't know if I've ever sweat that profusely in my life like that was insanity. 13:13.19 Adam Yeah. 13:13.43 Dave Is a. 13:13.95 DFG Oh yeah. 13:24.57 Gerry Um. 13:25.50 Adam If I can actually give 1 more bit of context to that another super vivid and specific memory that I have the first time I played Resin evil four wasn't me playing resent evil 4 in my college dorm room. 13:27.80 Gerry Yeah, yeah. 13:39.65 Adam by the time that that came around like there was already tons of buzz around it in like gaming magazines and the early days of the internet but um, but the first time that I played it was actually like a demo kiosk at a Gamestop. 13:54.76 Gerry What. 13:56.27 Adam And so I'm just like wandering around a ball and I see it there and I'm just like okay I've heard this is cool I'm going to give it a try and then I mean in a way that genuinely don't think has ever happened before being absolutely sucked into this demo kiosk in the middle of broad daylight in the middle of a public game store and you know getting pretty far the village section before getting my head saw off with a chainsaw and I remember like putting down the controller and my hands like physically trembling and just being like what is this magic. 14:33.37 Gerry Yes, it's some really wild shit now I had said to you guys in our group chat that you would not believe what actually got me into everything that's horror when I was like 7 years old all right? so. 14:47.93 Dave Um. 14:50.94 Gerry The big thing when I was 7 was Jurassic Park I went to see that thing it scared the beje out of me but I was like I want more like I remember trembling in the theater but I was like this is the greatest movie ever seen in my life like this is crazy and then of course I wanted to rent the the video game now I don't know if you're. Aware of the super nintendo Jurassic Park game there are segments in that game where it goes into first person. It's kind of like o g doom and when you do that there's fucking raptors and shit and I remember. 15:16.76 DFG Yeah, just. 15:21.40 Dave Um. 15:27.61 Gerry My poor seven year old soul just evacuating my body like when I seen those raptors like leaping at you like I I was terrified I remember my parents had gone out and I had a babysitter and she was like no no, no come here. It's fine. It's fine and she was like trying to play this game and I was like I'm not having a man I'm not having it now. That's I mean. That was like my first taste of actually being scared by a video game but the first actual horror game I ever played I rented nightmare creatures for n sixty four I brought I brought that home a thing. 15:58.68 Adam Wow! yeah. 16:02.67 DFG It's good. 16:05.66 Gerry Busted through a wall and I fucking turned that shit off and I marshed that shit back to the video store and I was like I'll have banjo Kazui please and I don't know there was something about it I remember like telling all my friends like man you wouldn't believe how scary this game is and they were like yeah man like a game is. 16:24.83 Gerry Way too scary for me and I was like I kind of want to rent it again. So when I went to go back to get it. It was rented out and there was like some older kid there and he's like if you think that's scary. You should check out this game and he hands me resident evil to and I'm like okay is this supposed to be like really scary or something. He's like try it out and I was. Poisoned by that game like I could like there's there's nothing on this earth that has ever scared me more than when I first rented that game like that was that was something else. So I guess nightmare creatures was technically the first game in horror that I've ever played in that capacity. Reson evil two I think was the first game that I ever actually enjoyed and didn't immediately turn off and bring back to the videos to her. 17:09.91 Dave Nice at Dfg how about you. 17:15.95 DFG I guess I'm the odd one out here because I have just been drenched in horror from the youngest of ages I was way too young to watch night of the living dead at like 4 years old um 17:26.74 Gerry Oh my god. 17:31.29 DFG And did have reoccurring Zombie nightmares for years and years and years but ever since then I mean we mostly watched like creature horror back then but all kinds of bad Bee movie Horror I've I've always been into and I kind of had to wait for video games. 17:31.61 Dave Ah. 17:51.26 DFG To get to the point that they were actually scary. The first horror game that I played was Friday the thirteenth on the nes and it is not scary. It is horrible. It is just it sucks. It is just the most annoying game. Um. 17:59.00 Adam And. 18:02.50 Gerry Came stocks. 18:09.16 Dave Um. 18:10.30 DFG Doesn't have the fear factor like yeah Jason shows up but it's like whatever he's just some pixels but the first game that I can remember that I actually felt like oh my god this is scary. We rented resident evil the original one. 18:13.82 Adam A e. 18:29.74 DFG Actually was the director's cut but from a movie place and I sat down and started playing it. We had just gotten a playstation I didn't even have a memory card so you know the horror of playing a game when you don't have a memory card and you go I have to beat this and I played it throughout the entire night did not beat it still. Um, but I remember thinking then oh my God games can actually be scary and that just that sank it in right then and there that I was just in love with horror now. The weird thing is is that I The reason I stream. 18:53.75 Dave The. 19:08.89 DFG Ah, is because I am um a little scaredy cat who doesn't like to play horror game by myself. So if I am sitting there playing a horror game by myself I either have to have my my wife sitting there and she got tired of me elbowing her when I would get jump scared in bed. It was like playing on my switch. 19:12.12 Adam Anything and. 19:16.28 Dave Aha. 19:26.60 Adam In here. 19:28.60 DFG So I started the streaming and streaming's okay, you know I have these lights I have people watching and it's It's not nearly as terrifying to me when I'm doing it that way. 19:37.18 Adam Yeah. 19:39.27 Dave Hell yeah dude I so when I just recently started playing the dead space remake I was thinking like so the dead space remake won a Patreon vote for my Patreon supporters. And so I was like oh this will be cool I'll stream the first couple hours as I play it and I I really think that that helped me not be afraid of it because I was checking the chat I was talking to people having a good time. Things are busting out through the walls and shit but like I'm distracted you know. 20:10.35 DFG Yeah. 20:12.55 Dave So I Really yeah there is merit to that for sure. 20:14.81 Gerry Yeah, it helps you like kind of disconnect right? like it's It's a sort of it's like that is like the equivalent of like watching a scary movie through like your your fingers like covering your face up kind of thing. It's kind of like I'll just check with the chat like. 20:15.17 DFG Oh definitely. 20:25.23 Dave Ah, yeah. 20:27.75 DFG Definitely. 20:29.52 Gerry Let me just disassociate from this fucking game for a second because I'm too scared like we talk to people. 20:31.60 Dave Yeah, exactly. 20:32.39 DFG Well, you know you have all these games that say you should play it in a dark room. Well hey I'm streaming I can't play it in a dark room. You wouldn't see me so I have to have these lights off. 20:39.11 Adam And yeah. 20:39.78 Dave Yeah, sorry I can't yeah for me. my I guess I'll give a little history with horror for myself. Um, when I was a kid I loved horror movies. So I I've been playing games. Basically since I can remember and I can't think of a a game I played that anyone would call a horror game for a long time so I was a big fan of the slasher movies I watched like all the the Jason movies and Freddie Kruger and stuff like that and those scared the piss out of me but I liked it and then. All right? So the things that like made the turn they're weird. So , the there is a combo of watching the grudge and the Paris Hilton house of wax movie. Where I was like I don't like horror movies anymore I'm done with all this what the grudge because the grudge was legitimately scary. It scared the shit out of me and then the the paris hilton movie someone gets their achilles tendon like cut with scissors in that movie and I was like I don't want to see this anymore I think I'm good. So . 21:31.46 Adam Well yeah. 21:31.67 DFG I can understand that I mean. 21:43.56 Gerry I Remember that. 21:44.82 Adam And yeah. 21:50.29 Dave And then the first horror game that I can remember playing is the suffering on PS 2 I think it was and that's a like a haunted prison game you play as a dude named torque who killed his family. It's a real weird game. Yeah, no. 21:54.39 Gerry Yeah, yeah. 22:00.67 DFG Yeah, it's very. 22:02.54 Adam fucking torque. 22:03.86 Gerry Is that is that game good. Is it good. There's 2 right? There was the suffering and then there was the suffering the ties that bind maybe 2 of those things. Yeah. 22:08.64 Dave I don't think so. Probably yeah, yeah, that sounds right? Anyway, we we had like a a dude's night as as much of a dude's night as you can have when you're 15 or however old we were at the time and we played the suffering all night long and it scared me really bad and I was like i. 22:12.53 DFG Yeah. 22:13.65 Adam And. 22:30.12 Dave Don't I don't want to play horror games anymore. So for a long time I just didn't play anything that you would consider to be horror except I played a couple of those games that I think are horror games and people say aren't like Bioshock and the last of us and stuff like that. 22:30.86 Adam E. 22:42.60 Adam Blood born. 22:48.45 Dave Games that have scares in them. Yeah, a blood born Also right. 22:49.39 Gerry I would say they're or adjacent I always use the term horror adjacent and that's that's kind of one of the things that I love so much about horror is of all this of all the genres of like games and movies I feel like there's an argument to be had about. Horror has like the most subgenres of anything like it's There's like so many different things you can have a horror Comedy. You can have horror drama like I would say like in terms of a movie like hereditary would be like a horror drama. Um I don't know there's just like there's just a. 23:09.31 DFG Oh yeah. 23:15.96 Adam E e. Sure. 23:26.10 Gerry Huge c of subgenres. So that's why I always have the argument I bet I can find a horror game or movie for anybody like I could find you something that's horror or horror adjacent a hundred percent I'll take the challenge any day. 23:33.33 Adam Yeah. 23:40.95 Adam If you come onto the Tube network and check out any of the the the channels there's sorry the tube discord. if you come onto the tube discord yeah, and check one of the channels. 23:47.36 Dave Right. 23:53.22 Adam And you see me posting. There's like a 30% chance I'm arguing about taxonomy in some form or another um I just find it really interesting and horror is like really uniquely fascinating in that way because there's so many ways that you can categorize it. Um. And I feel like it's not my job to gerrymander. You know what is or is not horror like I don't want to gate keep I don't want to to keep people away from it or to tell them that they're ah very real fear that they felt while playing that 1 level in spyro the dragon three you know wasn't real. 24:28.79 Dave And. 24:30.67 Adam But ah, there's all kinds of non horror things that have little horror bits snuck into them that ah. I I feel like those are often gateways into more ah quote unquote pure forms of horror where someone is just like you know, hey man I was playing metal gear solid three and I had a boss fight against the sorrow and it's just some ghost who made me feel bad. And and I felt like that was really potent and interesting and is there more stuff like that you know, ah. 25:09.67 DFG Well I was just going to say um I kind of I kind of disagree with the idea that Bioshock isn't horror because I do feel like it taps into one of the deep fears in people and that is drowning. You're constantly underwater you're in a leaking.Underground City that has water pouring in so you have that atmospheric fear this could bust in at any moment and then you also have people popping out and and attacking from corners I think I I still I think this first one could be yeah. 25:30.90 Dave Ah, yeah. 25:42.18 Gerry I totally thought it was yeah yeah I would totally say that yeah 100% um Bioshock is what I would consider horror adjacent I wouldn't say it's this I wouldn't say like oh it's a horror game but like definitely if you're a horror fan. You gotta play Bioshock like. 25:42.64 Adam Tons of body horror. 25:42.68 Dave Yeah. 25:55.76 DFG Yeah. 25:59.59 Gerry It's just it's so good for that stuff and that's the thing right? like it doesn't sorry, go ahead. Dave. 26:02.49 Dave All right, go ahead finish your thought I got something I need to do but let's finish up the thought. Yeah. 26:08.99 Gerry Um, I was going to say like I That's that's the the thing right? like I feel like um if if something is is even a little bit scary at times. It's horror adjacent like. It doesn't necessarily have to be like scares upon scares upon scares upon scares or like gory or bloody or all those things it just needs to have like even if it has a segment that's kind of horror like you were saying and in metal gear like if there's like a part in metal Gear. It's like yeah that was you know what horror fans you should probably check this out. 26:40.61 Adam Yeah. 26:42.20 Gerry Kind of cool. 27:30.20 Dave So yeah, that's a really good point about like horror adjacent stuff right? because that's what got me into horror. That's what eased me into it is stuff that like is either horror games that are not super jump scary because jump scares is the thing that I really so I still don't like um. I don't I mean I recognize like the the building and release of tension that that building up to a good jump scare does. But I I don't I don't find myself like really valuing that so there's always like non horror non jump scare elements that draw me to these games and so some of those. Horror adjacent or like you know, light horror games that are very obviously set in horrific places like Bioshock like Soma another underwater fucked station game basically um. Ah, but other stuff like silent hill too. Which like you're outside for a lot of that game. You know some of stuff is inside in really fucked up locations but you're running around on the streets of Silent Hill you don't have to fight anything. It's not like ah it's not a jump scare game. 28:42.14 Dave Games like that that kind of like just walk that line of being obviously horror games to me but not set on like really scaring the shit out of you especially Silent Hill to and Soma those are more like psychological things. 28:56.17 Gerry Psychological. Yeah. 28:59.40 Dave And that is something that I like I was immediately onboard with like don't like jump out at the screen at me but like hey fuck with my head make me think about what's going on after I'm done playing I'm all here for that. 29:12.78 DFG Yeah I was I was wanting to bring up because it was mentioned Bloodborne and I am definitely not 1 of the people that will go out in there and go that's not a real horror game because you didn't get super scared. Um I think. 29:27.36 DFG Like it goes back even before video games because like ah Mary Shelley Frankenstein is a horror novel but it's not like jump out of your seat scary. It's the themes and and the ideas and like with Bloodborne the entire atmosphere of blood born is horrific. 29:30.89 Adam M. 29:46.41 DFG But you don't go through it horrified you go through it going? Oh I Wonder what's around this corner. So I think a lot of horror ideas of just having to be super scary I Think that's a part of it. But it's not the whole. 30:04.80 Adam I Mean to me what we're talking about is like different ways that horror media can manifest itself and I think that there are a bunch of different and this is why Taxonomy you know is so difficult frequently. Because you can categorize it by like did this elicit like a physical response for me. Did this make me jump did this elevate my heart pressure did this heart pressure did my heart rate. Ah did this you know did this ah draw something. 30:28.25 DFG Are perfect. 30:28.74 Gerry Fuck my heart pressure up. 30:39.82 Adam Unwillingly from me and I think that's a really valid way to approach it but then like intellectual horror of just like hey man here's a scary idea which I think you know Bloodborne is full of ah is also just like a totally valid. Ah, way where it can be where you're like you know you play silent hill too you play. Ah, all kinds of stuff where it's not about just the the visceral reaction often. It's often about like you sitting there and thinking about. the the situation the scenario the implications and how those can be haunting. You know I find that stuff lingers with me frequently and I find that really compelling. Ah. 31:26.62 Dave Yeah, what? ah Soma was an episode on tales from the backlog like two years ago and I still think about multiple parts of that game like on a pretty regular basis. 31:33.92 Gerry It was fucked. 31:36.22 Adam Totally Ah, but then there's also like. 31:37.32 DFG It's tremendous. 31:41.37 Adam Mechanical horror where it's like the horror of actually playing something resident. Evil 4 is like a really wonderful example of just like gameplay that exists on the knife's edge of fight versus flight where you're constantly. Ah, you know do I stay here and try to get a couple more shots. Do I try to reload. 31:52.95 Dave You. 32:01.30 Adam Trying not to get overwhelmed ah that can be really compelling to me I Really love the mechanical ways that ah horror can be expressed as well. 32:14.19 Dave That's ah that goes into Bloodborne too and and all the from software games have an aspect of that you know that like well I could push out and go check out what's around this corner. But. 32:23.57 Adam Ah. 32:24.85 Dave It's been a while since I was at a bonfire and I'm carrying like 4 levels worth of stuff. Do I really want to go risk that. So. 32:27.70 Gerry That is the true fear. 32:29.88 DFG Um, yeah, that is the horror. 32:31.80 Adam That that is one of my favorite feelings in games The the feeling of like against your will pushing into the unknown like ah. 32:38.48 Dave You. 32:39.84 Gerry I love how like Bloodborne mixes like that eldritch like cosmic horror and like just like the gothic architecture. It's like if castle met alongside with like hp lovecraft stuff like it's just like that perfect. 32:59.37 Gerry Amalgamation of both those things and it does it like expertly. 33:01.45 Dave Yeah, what? if ah, what if the ah castle didn't turn upside down in Symphony of the night and instead it just became this eldritch monstrosity halfway through the game. 33:09.44 Gerry Then it would be called Blood borne. 33:11.10 Adam Then it would be called Crawl I was a great reference. 33:11.53 DFG Yeah, pretty much. 33:15.57 Dave Blood borne's ah, interesting because that was was always a game where when I told people I didn't like horror games. They're like well you talk about blood born all the time doesn't that scare you and the answer was like yeah things like bust out of crates at me and stuff. But I I am so deadly as a character in Bloodborne that. 33:33.39 Dave Like I can kill anything that does that It's not a big deal. That's why gone home scared me so bad because I knew if something jumped out a window at me I wasn't going to be able to do anything. You can't fight in that game. 33:36.69 Adam Yeah. 33:43.60 DFG And gone home is is horrifying like it has an atmosphere to it. That's just horrifying and I was I was just going to bring up you you mentioned because I can fight them for me the horror games that I absolutely adore are the ones that I don't feel like I'm in control. 33:51.41 Dave Um. 34:00.39 Dave Ok. 34:02.27 DFG Like if you put if you put a gun in my hand or a sword or anything like that I feel like I have some semblance of control and it's not going to scare me as badly as if I'm just stuck in this area have to find my way out. There's some kind of horrific whether it be a monster or just the atmosphere. 34:22.50 DFG Bearing down on me I like that feeling of not being in control. 34:23.87 Gerry So. 34:25.79 Dave That's probably why something like that's probably why like um spoilers for the dead space episode I didn't think dead space was very scary and it's because well there's a couple reasons for that. But the main reason is I am. Like a complete badass in that game. The weapons are so powerful in that game that you know a bunch of stuff may jump out and it might be annoying to have like 9 enemies swarming at me but I can take care of it. No problem. So I'm not really afraid when I see something bused out of event in that game because I got the plasma cutter handy I'm I'm ready for it. 34:42.50 DFG Um, yeah. 34:58.66 Gerry I Feel like you. 34:58.80 Adam Yeah. 35:00.20 Dave You know, whereas in fire watchtch. You know there's a ah section in Firewatch where you think you're being hunted and it's like well I can't do anything if someone catches up to me so that that is more scary for sure. 35:11.56 DFG There I have. 35:12.25 Gerry How many of you guys have played the mortuary assistant that might be that might that might be the scariest fucking thing I've ever played. 35:18.46 Adam I've watched a Youtube video that's about as brave as I can be on that one that 1 looks no good. Um, yeah. 35:26.15 DFG It's it's horrifying and they have all kinds of events throughout the year and I played during Halloween and there was a clown and it was that just oh. 35:33.77 Adam And all. 35:34.73 Gerry Um, the way they so that's a good like it kind of goes hand in hand with what you were saying dfg how being helpless and like that game it. It kind of does it in a really expert way that you wouldn't expect because like some of the. Craziest scares in that game didn't even make a sound and you could have missed them like at one point I was like fiddling around with like 1 of the cabinets and I just like seen at the top of the screen like that there was like it looked like a hand but I was like the fuck is that and as I moved the camera up slowly I noticed it was a. 35:56.16 DFG Yeah. 36:13.61 Gerry Foot and then as I moved it all the way up. There's just this like thing perched on top of the cabinet and I fully just like alt f 4 just like out of the game like get this away from me this is too much. It was ridiculous. It was. 36:16.54 Adam Oh yep. 36:17.42 DFG Yeah, it's horrifying. 36:27.27 Adam Yeah. 36:31.23 Gerry Easily the scariest thing that I've played in a very long time which. 36:34.48 Dave I think there is a trend to the kind of stuff that I like gravitate to it. It is the kind of stuff where I'm I'm either capable or I don't have to like it's easy to run away from stuff like in silent hill too or Selma has a safe mode that I used where the monsters don't chase you and you can. Can go look at them. They're cool like I'm glad they're still there. Ah but or like in bioshock it's not really a difficult game but thinking about stuff like alien isolation where I'm like I don't really want to play that game that sounds that sounds terrifying to me. No no. 37:02.52 Gerry Oh that was yeah oh have you not played that it's good. It's real good man. You do get weapons you get weapons eventually. 37:10.92 Dave Shit No man is. 37:14.88 Adam A alien isolation ah like I just want to take like a quick detour here and talk about like first of all the pacing in that game is whack and it's at least 50% too long. So ah. 37:24.75 DFG Yes, I was going to say that. 37:26.80 Gerry Yeah, the Android part. The Android part is way too long. 37:29.77 Adam Yeah, ah, but those androids are such great enemies I really love those androids and part of it is ah like like let me paint a scenario that's common in alien isolation you have a door and you need to use a welder like a cutting torch. To open it and in the area there are these creepy androids and you've got a revolver the revolver can shoot really fast but reloads really slow the welder takes time. To cut open that you have to expose your back without having peripheral awareness of what's going on the enemies are able to be killed but doing so will make lots of noise that will attract the alien and the whole time the way that you keep track of it is with. The motion tracker which is reliable question Mark ah, it's it's difficult to parse. It's difficult to pinpoint stuff and as a result it's this really wonderful mechanical constellation of. Tension and anxiety where you have all of these interesting choices in order of operations that you have to do that make knock on effects. There's always like consequences to what you do and no matter what order you're trying to do them in. Ah, it's going to create tension and fear. 39:01.41 Adam And I find that so admirable and I really want ah not even a sequel but like a spiritual successor to Alien isolation that will iterate on that kind of fear. 39:14.75 DFG And like like ah Adam just said 50% too long so in my mind perfect horror is 8 to 10 hours long I think I think that's about perfect. 39:27.92 DFG After that you just start to go through the motions you're no longer being scared by it. You're just expecting it and the weird thing about alien isolation is it gets to a point where you have a very satisfying ending and then it just keeps going. You realize you have twelve more hours a game to play. 39:42.20 Adam Yeah, yeah, and they keep escalating it but not in ways that I think are really additive. So ah, qualified recommendation. However, there are like little dlc bonus episodes which are like small bite size chunks. 39:45.29 Dave Ah, Jeez yeah. 39:58.80 Adam And I think that's kind of the way to go where you just have like here's 45 minutes here's an hour of really intense content. 40:06.40 Gerry Um, Dave I wanted to kind of circle back on something that you did say though with silent hill to so silent hill 2 is easily one of my favorite horror games ever and it's sort of for the it's kind of for the same reasons that you said that you liked it so much. 40:23.58 Gerry And a lot of that I feel like has to do with that fucking soundtrack because I don't know if you knew this, you might have and I'm like I think you could look it up somewhere So the composer specifically found sounds that are like abrasive to our ear. 40:26.28 Adam Oh. 40:26.48 DFG There. 40:28.79 Dave Um, oh yeah. 40:43.13 Gerry So like all the the scratching and like the tumbling of like industrial like like washing machines and like just all that grimy shit that you hear that's like is that a monster or is that part of the soundtrack like what the fuck is that noise and like the way it gets louder and louder and louder to the point where you're like I don't want to listen to this like. 40:53.77 Dave M. 40:56.19 Adam That's so good. 41:01.96 Gerry Want to turn this off like I don't want to hear the sound like it is insane and you're right? It totally fucks with your head and I love that I Love when a game gets in my head and just fucking wiggles around and makes me feel uncomfortable. 41:03.30 Dave Ah, yeah. 41:14.61 Dave Yeah, that that was always something that like I I was immediately onboard with that that stuff it was always just like the I don't want to play games that have things jumping out and like surprising me and but I was always down with like hey mess with my head. 41:14.67 DFG Oh yeah. 41:15.44 Adam Okay. 41:33.18 Dave Give me some fucked up story and a lot of those stories like Soma and Silent Hill 2 and ah devotion I haven't played devotion but like that ah that story is really fucked up and those stories kind of have to be horror games if you made them in something that's not scary. 41:40.13 Gerry Real good. 41:51.66 Dave Or like not in a scary setting or something like that it would have very little bite to it I feel like so that was one of the things that drew me into these games too because I realized I'm missing out on ah a big slice of. Really cool stories and that's like part of the reason I play games in the first place. 42:09.99 Adam Absolutely if I can bring up just like a totally separate reason to like horror games shout out to monsters God Damn I fucking Love a monster just like it just a fucked up little guy like hell yeah. 42:20.48 Dave Yeah, oh yeah, ah. 42:29.37 Adam Like horror games are the best in the biz if you want like something that's just like what am I even looking at that's where you go can't get enough of that. Oh they're so good. 42:37.17 Gerry Um, from software are the Kings of monster design. Yeah, oh yeah. 42:37.21 Dave Yeah, yeah, from software great at it. The the necromorphs in dead space I got dead space on the brain. Great monster designs. Ah. 42:39.81 DFG Galia. 42:48.46 Adam Ah, the the residval 4 remake makes a couple of like great little tweaks. The ah the spider plug us like oh that's so good when they jump on someone and just start driving them around. Ah love it. 42:53.30 Dave Moving. 43:00.28 Gerry Yeah, so gross. Yeah, big shout out to monsters. Um I was good sorry I was gonna I was gonna actually ask you guys. What would you say is the scariest like handful of games. You've. 43:00.74 Dave Ah, yeah, shout out to monsters. 43:03.20 Adam Yeah. 43:08.60 Dave 1 of the other. Um, yeah, go ahead. 43:17.87 Gerry Played like maybe like what's the scariest like older game. Maybe like what's the scariest like current like modern game. 43:27.86 DFG So for me older game. Um, the original silent hill is the first game that I played that I was like okay games were scary with resident evil now they're horror like now this is just truly terrifying and then silent hill 2 43:44.35 Dave Um. 43:45.72 DFG Um, a masterpiece just amazing. So I think those those 2 are some of the scariest that I played back in in the day. Um the scariest game that I have played recently is called home suite home. 44:01.60 Gerry Oh I've heard of that I've never checked. It is it really that scary I'm buying it today. 44:02.75 DFG I don't know if any of you all have heard of that it is terrifying especially if it's it's the it's the base fears that it gets you with the the you know it was mentioned with Adam the. The part in alien isolation where you're trying to open up the door with with the welder and you have things behind you. There are parts in that game where it does that there are also parts in that game if you're wearing headphones where you'll hear something like breathing behind you so you turn around the game. There's nothing there and it it happens like. 5 or 10 times I think where you think there's something there and there's nothing there so eventually you just go. Okay, it's just a sound effect and once you hit the point where you're like it's just a sound effect. There's nothing oh god but it is it is horrifying. Um, absolutely love it. 44:51.17 Gerry Um. 44:58.89 DFG Ah, what was I thinking my brain has just gone oh being ah being a streamer of course I have to bring up Outlast um Atlast is scary. It is horrifying. It's not a fun game to play. 45:03.28 Adam Modern. 45:16.83 Adam And. 45:17.81 Gerry Sure it is. 45:18.54 DFG It's a fun game for other people to watch you play. It's not that fun to play like it had it has its moments. It has its good I Just to me. It's more a game that was like hey other people will want to watch you play this game and so. 45:35.41 Gerry It's stressful. Yeah, it's very stressful to play. Did you play the second one I actually really want to get the ls trials I've actually been hearing really good things about that. It's like people were saying at first like oh it's just going to be like dead by daylight or something. But. 45:36.95 DFG Yeah I haven't played the second one yet. Yeah, yeah. 45:50.30 Gerry I Guess there's a lot more substance to the game like there's actually like levels and stuff. It's not just like a oh let's just play a match it. It seems really cool. Yeah. 45:56.45 DFG Yeah, let's get a lot to it. 45:58.82 Dave M. 46:04.32 Adam Ah, for me what comes to mind is I'm also going to shout out silent hill one because I didn't play that until late. I had already beaten silent hill two silent hill three I had tried silent hill for a game that's conceptually super interesting and miserable to play I had a bunch of resident evil games under my belt at that point then I went back and tried to play resident or silent hill one. And something about that lofi aesthetic like really got under my skin like I I have never actually beaten silent hill one because I just like something about it just got to me in a way that the other ones hadn't and I'm thrilled to see that like ps 1 aesthetic coming back. For horror specifically. Ah Signalis comes to mind for modern ah horror games and that game is just absolutely wonderful. Ah, but then ah, 2 other like more recent ones. Ah deadwood I think is no not deadwood deadwood is the cowboy sha. 46:54.67 Gerry Love sign. 47:10.50 Dave Yeah, darkwood. Yeah. 47:11.27 Adam Darkwood Sorry yeah, it's It's a top down ah kind of like survival game. Ah, that game is almost too scary to play again purely for mechanical purposes The way it limits your vision. 47:12.29 Gerry Turrkwood. Yeah, that's the top down thing right. 47:12.65 DFG Darklick. 47:30.99 Adam The way that you have to like barricade yourself in at night in order to to Survive. What's what's coming your way like that feeling of the ticking clock and the sun going down and there's no let's call them artificial jump scares. There's no authored jump scares. However, you're. Always so paranoid and your head is always on a swivel that it's very common to not realize that you've stumbled upon something very spooky until you're already on top of it and so I've scared myself a lot. Ah just doing that. 48:03.21 Dave M. 48:07.97 Adam And then ah, the third thing I want to shout out just categorically ah vr horror games too scary to play. Can't do it. 48:12.97 Gerry Oh yeah I did reson evil 7 from start to finish in vr and that is easily one of the scariest experiences I've ever had. 48:15.42 DFG Um, Nope not doing it. 48:23.10 Adam Fucking god bless you for having the constitution for that was that your first playthrough Jesus Christ 48:28.91 Gerry Yeah, yeah, like I I got I got vr I got a psvr specifically for that because I played that fucking Kitchen demo and as after I realized that that was res and evil I was like oh I gotta have this this is this is amazing I gotta own this and I had no idea what I was getting myself into. 48:37.48 Adam Yes, yeah. 48:46.40 Dave Who. 48:48.48 Gerry And to the point at 1 point like I mean you're so submersed into this thing right? like there was points playing that game where I would just sit there and just be like motionless and just being like I don't know if I can force myself to go down this hallway like I can't. 49:01.20 Adam Yep. 49:06.26 Adam Yeah, yeah. 49:07.31 Gerry Like um I physically can't move anything and there there was a point where I thought my girlfriend was going to leave me because she came downstairs while I was in the middle of playing this game. She had been calling out to Me. She was like hey. Ah. Like our food is ready or like our delivery is here or whatever and I wasn't responding. She came down seeing that I was in Vr and she tapped me on the chest and was like hey and I like flipped over backwards because I was like kind of sitting on like a little stool thing. 49:31.34 Adam Oh boy. 49:41.50 Adam Yeah. 49:43.40 Gerry And I just like rip the heads and I'm like what the fuck are you doing? are you out of your mind like you can't You can't see what the fuck I'm doing here like and she was just like it's a video game calm down I'm like you you don't get to say that to me. Okay, man like I was like I was so Shook shook up by this like event like. 49:50.18 Dave Ah. 50:02.78 Gerry Nothing has ever fucked me up worse. 50:03.63 Adam You don't understand. There's a margarite about and it's bad. 50:06.90 Dave Ah. 50:08.50 Gerry Ah, oh man it was so it was actually I remember the exact moment it happened. It's when you get to where the fucking little girl is and like you're crawling through like the little fort that she bakes and you see like her legs just standing there at the end of the like the little tunnel. 50:11.70 DFG Um, yeah, ah. 50:19.50 Adam Yep Mm Yep no good. 50:27.93 Gerry Yeah, no, it was bad. It was very bad and I thought my girlfriend was going to leave me. 50:31.70 Adam Yeah, ah I will say that I have played through residval 4 vr several times that game is incapable of scaring me because I've played it 100000 times ah and then also yeah, it's incredible. 50:37.47 Gerry Higher. 50:45.00 Gerry Um, just John waking like the fucking guns and shit. 50:49.54 Adam Ah, play it in vr if you can ah and then also ah I have ah beaten half-life Alex which has not is not a horror game but it has horror segments and 1 of those horror segments is one for the history books legendary stuff but it it. 50:55.90 Gerry Oh so good. 51:03.87 Gerry I know I know what you're talking about. 51:08.30 Adam It It is still like welcoming enough that I was able to play it some like games that are built as horror for Vr for the purpose of scaring you let me tell you you can succeed in that mission. 51:19.27 Dave Yeah, yeah, yeah Vr just it it taps straight into your animal brain right? like there's there's no separating yourself from from Vr and I'm you know I'm on this podcast talking about how I'm a ah new fan of horror games. But. 51:19.91 Gerry The other bad. 51:25.30 Adam And. 51:36.10 Dave You know, well check back with me in a couple years about Vr Horror. So ah, the the scare I saved myself for last on this question because I wanted you all to talk about the actually scary games before I say the scariest one I've played ah but I want to shout Out. Um. A game that I thought could not possibly be scary and that scared the shit out of me several times and that's the last door which is a pixel art point and Click game. Ah, lots of ah, very very good horror moments in that game. Um, and it's a chunky Pixel Game. You look at and you're like there's no way. 51:57.10 Adam Yes. 51:59.34 Gerry Never heard of that. 52:09.34 Dave And I was like yeah yeah, it got me many times but um I think the scariest game I've played is still prey and it's not a horror game per se but it has 1 of the scariest enemies in any game that I've played with the mimics because it is. It's just there. 52:10.60 Adam Yeah. 52:15.88 Adam Wow. 52:18.53 Gerry I can see what you're saying though. 52:28.77 Dave Coded jump scare enemies that can come from literally anything So when I think about the games that have scared me. Yeah, there's been bigger scares and um, there's been more like you know gore and Overt Horror than prey. 52:30.50 DFG Yeah. 52:46.39 Dave But no game gave me that feeling you were talking about Gerry where I'm like I don't really want to walk through this room right now because I know there's a mimic in here and I don't know where it's coming from and I am a big baby. So. It got me thinking that like ah that paranoid feeling that everyone talks about and I talked about it on the tales from the backlog episode where you walk in a room and you're like all right, which one are you motherfucking coffee mugs is a mimic in here and you shoot a bunch of stuff. Yeah. 53:01.74 Adam Me. 53:09.18 Adam Ok point of order Dave point of order Dave there is a sticky note that says it's not a mimic so it can't possibly be a mimic. 53:17.15 DFG Now. 53:17.79 Dave That's there are there are many sticky notes that say not a mimic. Yeah so I think that's that's probably still the scariest game and like outside of the mimics praise not that scary but like the mimics are everywhere and. 53:19.96 Gerry Never been more afraid of a coffee mug in my life. 53:33.82 Dave It was only it was five to ten hours into the game when you get the ability to spot the mimics and they stop being so scary once you can scan for them. But until that point boy that game scared the shit out of me and that this is a good, um, kind of talking about another genre. 53:39.90 Adam E. 53:47.79 Gerry Noya. 53:52.94 Dave That I Really love that like lends itself to horror. Well and that's immersive sims because I play these games in a really sneaky silent type of way. So even like ah a dishonored or Deis X still gives me a little bit of like spooky vibes because I'm tense all the time. 53:56.91 Adam 3 54:09.37 Adam E. 54:12.20 Dave Trying not to get caught the way that I like to play those games. So ah, you will not see me playing amnesia the bunker anytime soon though I hear that game's great. Um, and okay, fair enough hey like I said. 54:20.68 Adam Yep. 54:21.60 Gerry Um I got this I threw that on it I didn't like it. 54:28.73 Dave I will not be disagreeing or disagreeing with you anytime soon. I Also want to shout out the upcoming gloomwood which looks really good. Indie immersive sim Horror I can't tell how scary that game is but I'm all about that. So this is like a genre that was another kind of like. 54:34.29 Adam Yes. 54:35.58 DFG There. 54:38.40 Gerry Hell yeah. 54:47.81 Dave Way for me to like wedge my way into playing more like overt horror games because I've been playing games that were already making me tense. Anyway, you know. 54:58.54 Gerry Um I was just gonna quickly shout out a cut like so the 1 old game that I wanted to shout out that actually to this day I have not gone back to beat and I feel like I should um and maybe I maybe I will maybe I will this weekend. Maybe I'll give it a go. You know, just because you know. 55:08.36 Dave Even. 55:15.93 Dave I will. 55:15.99 Gerry For the backlog if you will um, ah clock tower for super nintendo ah, and you you thought? yeah clock tower for super Nintendo. 55:24.60 Dave But ah. 55:24.74 Adam See you mentioned a clock tower or a super Nintendo game as your gateway and I was like ah it's clock tower for sure. 55:26.76 Dave Yeah, yeah. 55:31.24 DFG That's what I was thinking as well. 55:33.57 Gerry Guess what guys that game fucking scary it cause tension like you. You're so helpless and you're just like click on the bathtub get in the bathtub like and yeah, it's I like I Fully recommend anybody to just get their hands on Clock Tower for Supernatana and just give it give it a give it a once over. 55:36.31 Adam M. 55:49.68 Adam Yeah, ah that game has a upcoming remaster so that will be more widely available very soon. Yeah. 55:52.53 Gerry Um. 55:53.42 Dave Um, yep, yep yeah, limited Run I think is working with that right. 55:57.50 Gerry It does Oh my God I'll bless them bless their socks. Um, the ah the more recent games one of which I'm currently playing. But. 56:04.84 DFG It's going to be awesome. 56:14.47 DFG Yes I Love Puppet combo. Oh my God they. 56:14.51 Gerry Have you guys heard of puppet combo. Holy shit they make fucking awful looking games that are scary as shit and and 1 of the most recent games that scared the absolute soul out of me was murder house. Holy. 56:17.30 Adam I. 56:27.40 DFG Oh yeah I loved Murder House Oh my god. 56:31.96 Dave All right? What kind of games are these because I have no idea what you're talking about. 56:32.57 Gerry Shit dude they're like low fi like they look like PS 1 games on purpose. Um, but like they have terrible voice acting on purpose and I don't know like they they just go for like this like just. 56:33.52 Adam Yeah I'm. 56:39.52 DFG Um, yeah. 56:45.33 Adam M. 56:47.13 Dave Um. 56:52.10 Gerry Old school like PS one shitty bee style like b horror movie kind of thing like murder house is literally like you're in ah, a house filming a documentary or like you're part of a news crew or something and like it has like resin evilval vibes like there's a safe room. 57:04.49 Adam E. 57:10.54 Gerry And there's like puzzles and shit. But like you're being stocked by this that. What what's he called isn't he just like the bunny man or something like he's like he's like a guy in an Easter Bunny suit and it is absolutely horrifying like that game like scared the shit out of me I think that game came out like what 20 57:15.27 DFG Yeah money man. 57:28.13 Adam October Twenty Twenty yeah 57:29.22 Gerry 20 maybe bingo ah check that game out that game will scare the piss out of you. It's oh yeah I haven't played that one. Yeah yeah, the all I'll ah. 57:30.50 DFG Yeah, somewhere on the october. And if you love pup publicuppet combo knight at the gate to hell is another one if you haven't played it It's great. 57:47.60 Gerry And like um, what what was the? yeah oh blood wash blood wash was good shit too. Yeah, that was really good, but the one that I'm playing right now and I just did it ah are we saying Twitter Stiller what the fuck are we calling this now like if I want to say hey I tweeted this out what the fuck am I supposed to say to I xed it out. 57:51.20 DFG Wep. 57:58.13 Adam The website formally known as Twitter. 57:59.89 Dave I'm still calling it. Twitter. 58:07.17 Gerry Ah, so so so fuck you elon Anyways, um I Hope he's not a sponsor um I tweeted out the other day. Ah how much I Love my friendly neighborhood which is sesame street. 58:12.40 Dave Oh yeah, he's a big fan of the show. Yeah. 58:12.44 Adam So anyways, it was threading this later. 58:17.27 DFG Um, yeah. 58:24.33 Adam And. 58:27.13 Gerry Crossed with resident evil and holy shit this game is so much fun. You got to check it out Adam you have to play this. You have to. 58:28.14 Dave Um. 58:37.30 Adam I it's definitely on the list. Someone said it's not residential. It's resident evil 7 specifically and I need more resident evil 7 inspired things ah in my life in general because that's the good shit to me. 58:43.13 Gerry Yeah. 58:53.31 Gerry It's real good. It's tough too like if you put it on like the the one up from like normal difficulty which it says like hey if you're a veteran of horror games. Try this out. It's pretty difficult like it's you're you're definitely like managing your ammo. Oh and you don't get to save whenever you want. 58:59.32 Adam Ah, yeah. 59:11.00 Gerry Like you have to you have to use like these little tokens and you can use them to save or you can use them to heal. It's ah it's I know it's It's really good and then like just the just the dumb like puppets like it's not even really that scary but it's very tense. 59:11.42 Adam Exciting. Ah, ah, that's like my favorite thing that's great. 59:27.00 Adam And yeah, ah yeah, it's on the list for sure. 59:27.71 Gerry Like when you're just hearing someone be like a B C D Yeah like they're just like yelling their ads and you're like man fuck this thing I'm not going anywhere near this. 59:40.35 Gerry Yep, check it out. Free demo. 59:41.60 Dave So I think that this is a good time. We've been talking about like some of the scariest stuff we've played it time to take a step back and think about the the beginners. The people who want to ease into horror the people like me six months ago so 59:56.34 Adam I have. 59:58.88 Dave Want to get a collection of games that people can play that would give them like a slice of what we like about horror games without being the scariest shit possible. You know? So yeah, let's ah, let's just throw some games out there for people to try. 01:00:16.40 Adam But before we talk about specific games I Want to ah highlight what you said earlier which is the value of having someone else in the room with you. The value of controlling your circumstances the value of whistling in the dark. 01:00:28.93 Dave Aha. 01:00:33.00 Adam Ah, that is a really potent way to get through something that's scary and I think that is going to be really common in most people's early horror days because I have very vivid memories of playing Silent Hill too in a college dorm. With 2 other people around me and me being like guys I don't want to go through the door and then being like you got to go through the door you got to go through the door. Ah so just in general you are in charge of your environment. You control the circumstances and that is in a. 01:01:08.55 Adam Additional way to adjust the fear. So always keep that in mind. 01:01:13.27 Dave That's true. You do not have to take the game's advice and play it in a dark room with the curtains drawn. You can. 01:01:16.89 DFG And tell never. 01:01:17.30 Gerry You must. 01:01:21.30 Adam That's what you do after you've desensitized yourself and you're just trying to feel fucking anything. 01:01:27.12 Dave Yep So I will be playing iron lung here soon surrounded by all of my friends and family. 01:01:32.58 Adam Oh. 01:01:35.00 DFG Iron Lung is the love of my life. It is ah. 01:01:35.93 Gerry I don't know anything about this other than Mark Plier is making a movie. 01:01:41.44 DFG So. 01:01:41.75 Dave Yeah, it's um, it's it's base it got back in the news recently when that ah that titan sub went down near the Titanic or whatever because that's basically what the game is from what I hear is yeah. 01:01:42.65 Adam It's so weird. 01:01:49.78 Adam Yeah, yeah. 01:01:51.32 DFG And the dev felt really bad because his game started selling like hotcakes. 01:01:58.71 Dave Exactly? Yeah, so that's going to be coming up on the show. Um in October so people can look forward to that but okay, got to run out to Walmart first. Yeah, yeah, let's ah, let's get some horror recommendations to to ease some newbies in. 01:02:03.32 Gerry The only true way to play that is with a logic tech game pad. 01:02:16.82 DFG Okay, so ah for mine I Just want to mention this call of cthulu. It is scary in the eldritch horror kind of way but it is a game that you you can't lose like it's not. It's. 01:02:34.54 DFG It's incredibly easy to play So it it has that horror but at the same time it has that I'm going to make it through this. So it's a really good game for beginners. 01:02:44.41 Dave Yeah I did play that game. 01:02:46.17 Adam Ah, to be clear. You're talking about the newer call of cthulu game not call of cthulu dark corners of the earth. 01:02:49.54 DFG No, not that horrible horrible game. It has a great. Yeah, yeah, it's it's good at first and then it no yes. 01:02:53.55 Gerry Horrible game Really I. 01:02:53.79 Adam Dark corners of the earth has a really great first act and then falls off a cliff stop once you get a gun. 01:03:03.83 Dave That ah, that new call of cthulhu game is is a good recommendation I played that last year it's definitely It's got all this the horror vibes that you want and it's only got a couple sections like where there's actually a monster or something the rest of the time you're just kind of. 01:03:17.48 DFG Yeah. 01:03:21.21 Dave Just kind of going in dark places where eldred shit might happen but it's not not stuff busting through the walls at you. 01:03:26.38 DFG There another one. 01:03:29.73 Adam It's not hour after hour of bodies busting out of shitwood onto pavement. 01:03:35.18 Dave Ah I didn't rig shit. 01:03:38.28 DFG Ah, another one of my suggestions would be dredge a fantastic game and it's just the lightest of horror on it. But it's just. 01:03:40.54 Dave Oh yeah. 01:03:42.00 Gerry I Heard that's really good. 01:03:43.70 Adam Yep. 01:03:51.50 DFG Just about the perfect game you can play it. It has a great game pay play loop and it's just a blast play. 01:03:58.58 Dave That's one of those mechanical horror things that Adam was talking about earlier like that you know I want to get more fish to make more money but after dark, some spooky shit happens and I don't really want to be out after dark. 01:04:07.58 DFG Yeah, yeah. 01:04:12.12 Adam And. 01:04:12.27 Dave So it's that risk reward thing that's pulling at you and there is there is just enough. Yeah, like there's just enough like actual spooky stuff every now and then and the rest of the time. It's just like vibes where everyone is like. 01:04:14.87 Gerry Ah, the life of a fisherman. 01:04:29.80 Dave All the people you talk to are like man this shit sucks right? and you're like yeah this shit sucks. 01:04:30.61 Adam Yeah. 01:04:31.30 DFG Oh yeah, and the true horror is fishing and then looking at the clock and realizing Oh my God I'm in the middle of the ocean and I have to get back to my port before. 01:04:41.75 Dave Ah, yep. 01:04:42.89 Adam Dredge Dredge does such a good job making you lose track of time. 01:04:45.51 DFG Yes. 01:04:47.90 Gerry Out to check that out. 01:04:49.40 Dave And then the yeah those moments where you're like ah the sun is almost down and I'm in the middle of the ocean whoops. 01:05:00.10 Adam Yeah I was going to recommend ah cozy spooky games are are kind of in vogue and are starting to to float around the 2 most obvious ones that come to mind are dredge and cult of the lamb. 01:05:11.48 Dave M. 01:05:13.11 Adam Which is another ah just just a light dusting. You know it's really just ah, a little bit of spooky coat of paint on top of it. But ah, you know if you're new to it and you're just happy to get eased into it that could be something that would appeal to you. 01:05:29.80 Gerry I'd say if you just want to like get started just throw on a vr headset and just jump into res 7 It's not that big of a deal is you know, don't listen to what I said earlier? Yeah, ah I actually I kind of have like 2 answers to this 01:05:36.25 Dave That's probably true. You'll either drop dead on the spot or you'll be a fan. 01:05:38.44 DFG Consult a doctor before doing that. 01:05:40.59 Adam Yeah. 01:05:47.19 Gerry And 1 of them so I would say like if you're curious about like ooh that's kind of weird and spooky check out control control is like kind of weird like x-fisy like I don't understand this therefore I'm scared like kind of thing like and like you know those people just like floating in the air and shit like. 01:05:54.52 Adam Sure yeah. 01:05:54.56 Dave Who. 01:05:55.23 DFG More. 01:06:05.93 Gerry Makes you feel uneasy, but it's not like straight up like I'm scared to death of what's going on in this game. It's just more like ah this is weird and like freaky you know like I yeah and I feel like that would be ah, an easy stepping stone to like. 01:06:12.75 Dave Right. 01:06:12.79 Adam Yeah, it it plays into fear of the unknown. 01:06:23.76 Gerry For someone to be like oh I've really liked in in control the way that they you know made you like the the mystery of all the shit that's going on and like I don't understand what's going on therefore it's like kind of spooky to me in a way. Um, excuse me the other game that in this might see it sound a bit harsh but trust me, yeah. 01:06:43.42 Gerry Layers of fear is not that bad of a game to start off with because it's it's just a what like you can't die. It's just you're literally pressing on and Dave I would say that also is a cool. 01:06:44.34 Adam Now. 01:06:45.25 DFG I will or. 01:06:49.70 Adam M. 01:06:49.96 DFG Better. 01:06:57.74 Gerry Representation of like psychological shit like some people might shit on that game cause it's like oh there's nothing. There's no point to the game like it's just literally like a haunted house but like I don't know like that to me would probably be a good stepping so because it's literally like fucking with your head and like yeah, there's There's a few like decent jump scares but it's more of like. 01:07:10.76 Dave You. 01:07:17.50 Gerry Oh you walk into this room and you're like man where the fuck am I supposed to go and then you turn around you're like oh this hallway wasn't here just now like I just I came through a door now. There's a hallway like it's It's totally like an E and like again you can't like you can die. But then you literally just restart at like a checkpoint like there's no. 01:07:36.29 Gerry There's no real consequence to dying in the game like you're just pressing on to see all the weird effects and get like the story of this guy who's a super big whino and like his life has fallen apart and he just paints fucking pitchers when he's drunk and shit. 01:07:38.45 Dave M. 01:07:53.85 Adam Mean. 01:07:55.38 Gerry Yeah, that's kind of like my 2 answers for like hey if you want to just kind of dip your toe or again just fucking throw a v our headset on go all. Ah. 01:07:58.56 DFG Well with the layers of fear in mind I think you could also oh go ahead. 01:08:02.22 Adam I wait. 01:08:09.00 Adam Ah, when you put on that vr headset in order to be immersed into the world of resident evil 7 I will unleash into your house 1 large moth. 01:08:23.39 Gerry Um, like do you have you listened to our but like do you know that I am absolutely horrified at like I've we've had discussions about how disgusting I find Moths to be like I Fuck I like people are like butterflies are beautiful I'm like no fuck em. They're disgusting like have you ever seen a butter like a butterfly is just a fucking colorful moth and like when you look at them under a microscope. That's all they are.. There's nothing more scary. 01:08:44.33 Adam Yeah, well well it's gonna land on you while you're in the basement. So. 01:08:52.29 Gerry I thought you were going to talk about the the resin evil 7 candle. Do you remember when they brought that out. Do you remember you never seen this they cap capcon released a candle to go along with resin evil seven it was like a digital candle and it would emit. 01:08:57.51 Adam No, what a candle. What's the candle. 01:09:09.16 Adam The fuck. Okay, you're playing Resin Evil seven with the the virtual smello vision and you're like I think this thing's fucking broken. It just smells like mold in there like this thing sucks. 01:09:11.56 Gerry It would emit sense to go along with the game. Honest Yes I swear to God look look it up. 01:09:17.39 Dave Ah, man like you. 01:09:18.29 DFG That's wild. 01:09:25.59 Dave Um, yeah, whatever the fuck's going on in that kitchen. 01:09:26.55 Gerry I'm looking it up and. Oh my god the first time seeing that kitchen and just going around and looking at stuff. Oh yeah, so resin evil four d candle is what it was called. 01:09:29.57 Adam It's no good. 01:09:39.33 Adam All right? That's hilarious. 01:09:39.68 DFG Oh my God of it with the the layers of fear that you mentioned because I really I really enjoyed laser fear when I played it if you play layers of fear and you like it play the Amnesia games you'll like them too. 01:09:43.96 Gerry Um, it's real. It's a thing. Yeah. 01:09:58.71 DFG 1 of the best things about the amnesia games is if you die in it like if the monster gets you it actually re responds you in a better position so you're farther into the game like you can't you can't actually lose that game either it it pushes you forward. So it's. 01:10:07.47 Adam M. 01:10:17.43 DFG I Really enjoyed them. 01:10:17.71 Dave Oh yeah, my my recommendations for people like me at this time last year are the kinds of games that I was playing at this time last year so games that are you know. 01:10:18.85 Adam M. 01:10:34.10 Dave A little bit spooky in atmosphere or in story but not scary scary so something like returnal feels good. it's it's dark there's aliens it's difficult um it's tense but it's not a horror game I don't well some of the the first person sections in that game are a little bit creepy but they're very short. So ah, returnal is a game like that. Um some of those games that are debatable whether they're horror or not stuff like the last of us bioshock stuff like that they have horror sections. They have jump scares. They have stuff jumping out at you the last of us part 2 has 1 of the best jump scares I've ever experienced in a video game. Ah so those games have horror elements. They have horror levels but they're not like trying to scare you all the time like I think Bioshock is a horror game. But like the splicers don't scare me they're they're little weirdos. You know so stuff like that I recommend for people and then um, the from software games that we talked about earlier are another thing just to bring that up again. They're tense games. 01:11:44.60 Dave BloodBorne is entirely takes place entirely at night. There are jump scares things jumping out at you but you can kill everything So it's not like a really big deal and I think that the the stuff that kind of like eased me into it is the stuff that can ease someone else into it too If you're if thinking like. 01:11:52.52 Adam Yeah. 01:12:03.94 Dave Don't want to be scared I don't like horror games I Bet you've played something that I would consider to be scary and enjoyed it before so that's ah, that's kind of what I've realized like looking back on all these games where I'm like I don't like horror games but you just finished playing the last of us that can be scary at times. Ah yeah I suppose you're right. You know. 01:12:25.15 Adam It's I think that there's kind of 2 I'm going to say there's 3 major inroads if you're totally new. 1 is whistling in the dark play it with a friend on the couch someone who's going to support you where you can trade the controller back and forth and you can just no, no, no, just. 01:12:31.68 Dave Ah. 01:12:36.70 Gerry What is what is this is that a game. 01:12:42.42 Dave Ah, it's a way of life. 01:12:42.62 Adam Yeah, it's a turn of phrase in order to just say like ah talking with friends turning the lights on having someone there to comiserate with you. Um I you know whistling in the dark would be a great. 01:12:50.34 Gerry I was like I must check this game out is this an indie game. 01:12:56.54 DFG Um. 01:12:58.47 Adam And game title. So ah, stick out of the back pocket for later. Um, like I think that that's genuinely a valuable way to do it too is ah horror games are often about disempowerment. Ah, however, there are ones that are empowering such as Bloodborne and Bioshock and the last of us. Ah those can be great inroads because it does feel like you have the tools to fight back. Ah so that can yep. 01:13:16.60 Dave Um. 01:13:25.85 Dave Yeah, Resident Evil Four was another big one for me. 01:13:31.79 Adam Ah, the the beginning is intense. So like if you if you need a at three point I would probably recommend the resieval 3 remake because that is such a popcorn action film. That's you you know, basically like a terminator movie rather than ah, ah something that's truly scary. Um, and then the third way is like if you want. The spooks and bad vibes. But you don't want ah the mechanical stress something like the last door or gone home are genuinely great ah inroads gone home is such a perfect ah recreation of the fear of. Being in your house when all the lights are off and you have to get something from the basement and it makes you nervous like that's the feeling and and I like I treasure that feeling. 01:14:14.44 Dave In. 01:14:14.66 DFG Yeah, yeah. 01:14:20.77 Dave You know I just thought of another type of game that is a good inroad to and it's the horror game that doesn't take itself. Seriously so resident Evil Four brought this to me because Resident Evil four has resident. It has resident evil shit happening. 01:14:28.71 Adam Yes. 01:14:34.91 Gerry Souplexs. Ah. 01:14:36.96 Adam Yeah, yeah. 01:14:38.82 Dave But you can also pick up enemies and suplex them and Salazara is a little goon and it's it very obviously can't be something like ah the quarry or until dawn those games are they're almost comedies. Even though there's people getting killed in the most brutal ways possible. 01:14:41.60 Adam Yeah. E. 01:14:48.70 Gerry Ah, love the core. 01:14:54.72 Gerry There's some yeah, there's some scary shit. 01:14:55.34 Adam Totally. 01:14:57.39 Dave Ah, yeah, and until Don has like some some legitimately scary scenes in it. But it's like 5 hours of like teenage 80 s horror movies and then like one scary scene and then more teenage horror movie. So like it's it's not like a. It's not something that I can't handle. You know what? I mean like if it's just happening every now and then and then the quarry is even less scary than until dawn the quarry is even more of a ah teenage horror movie in my opinion. Yeah, so those kind of games that like they are horror games. Yeah, but they're they're not taking themselves seriously. 01:15:16.90 Adam M. 01:15:24.52 DFG There. 01:15:24.96 Gerry It's campia. 01:15:33.42 Gerry Yeah, yeah, the dark matches are great. 01:15:33.76 Dave In that way. 01:15:33.81 DFG Any of the dark pictures anthology are a lot like the until Don games they're just they're fantastic little campy games. 01:15:35.55 Adam Um, yeah, yeah. 01:15:37.24 Dave E. 01:15:43.18 Adam Yeah, those are going to be great inroads in the same way where it's like I'm too scared to watch a real horror movie but I will watch a Sean of the dead or an evil dead to you know. 01:15:55.31 Dave Yeah, exactly and those games are great to play with people as well Specifically the? um, what's super super massive The the developer of those specifically those I mean they made the quarry with. 01:16:01.71 Adam Yeah. 01:16:08.10 Dave Multiplayer Modes and streaming modes so that you can play with people. Oh yeah. 01:16:10.17 Adam Oh yeah. 01:16:10.42 DFG And have any of you all played Eldon ring. Okay so we've mentioned Bloodborne but Eldon ring that first moment when you find yourself in Caleb and you realize you are not ready for callid. 01:16:13.37 Gerry Oh yeah. 01:16:22.94 Gerry No fuck that. 01:16:23.00 Adam Oh wonderful moment. Yep. 01:16:25.23 Dave Um, oh yeah, ah. 01:16:29.28 DFG And you are horrified and so that's a good little toe dip into horror because later on you come back to caled and you are just a badass and you were like no now you big bird you T Rex dog if you ain't going to mess with me look at my big big as sword. 01:16:39.61 Dave Yep. 01:16:43.30 Dave Ah. 01:16:45.46 Gerry Did you guys all get tell like so I don't know if it was the same for you guys. But I just like happened to find a chest that was like boop and like teleported me to Caleb and I was like oh I'm in a little cave this is kind of cool and then you would emerge and you're like oh I don't like this place at all. This is bad news. Hey. 01:16:52.30 DFG Yes. 01:16:54.49 Dave Yep me too. 01:16:54.76 Adam Yup. 01:17:00.40 Dave Yeah I want to get out of I Want to go home. 01:17:00.54 DFG That is legitimately legitimately the worst feeling I have ever had while playing a video game getting to that chess. 01:17:00.88 Adam Yeah. 01:17:04.85 Gerry Yes. Um, yeah. 01:17:10.55 Adam I Like laughed out loud at that and I'm like from software you're hilarious, Great Prank I Ah real quick like something that I do find fascinating. 01:17:14.29 Gerry Um, you you sums a bitches. Um, ah I Just want to sorry, go ahead. 01:17:14.60 Dave You did it again? Yeah yep. 01:17:17.57 DFG You could have been a mimic. Why weren't you a mimic. 01:17:28.21 Adam Um, Eldon I don't think that I don't know if this is controversial. Ah, but I think I 100% believe this sincerely I think Eldon ring is exactly as much of a cosmic horror story as Bloodborne is the difference is the aesthetic. There's is a lot brighter. And you don't have like the traditional tentacle goopy monsters. But like all of the ideas in there like this is a cosmic horror game like through and through and I think it's really fascinating that like you intellectually have all of those same scary ideas. 01:17:56.82 DFG Oh yeah. 01:18:04.98 Adam Just in a different ah visual and aesthetic package. 01:18:08.49 Dave Yeah, Eldon ring makes you dig for that knowledge that that's what's going on more than bloodborne does. You don't actually fight you know cosmic. Well you fight a couple cosmic entities in Eldon ring but not to not to the point that ah bloodborne gets to I think but yeah, it's a good point. 01:18:15.77 Adam You you extremely do. 01:18:26.15 DFG Yeah. 01:18:26.24 Dave Um, it just hides it a little bit. 01:18:28.89 Gerry I was going to say you kind of made made the gears start turning in my head when you started talking about like playing with friends and how that can like help you get into games you know whistle it in the dark. Um, so I feel like dying light too. Might actually be a good. 01:18:40.65 Adam Yep. 01:18:44.40 Adam Oh sure. 01:18:45.35 Gerry Way to do that because like D like D Light two actually isn't all that scary but it has that tension because you're like oh fuck I gotta get out of the dark like you got to gotta go rest somewhere So I can make it light again and it's It's really not as scary as you might think it is especially if you're playing co-op like if you're with like 3 other friends and you guys are just. Areoring around the city like it's really not that scary but it is intense like it's It's definitely like really intense. But yeah I feel like that would probably help to make things not as scary or like you know you have 3 other I think it's I think it's four player co-op I believe but. 01:19:07.88 Dave M. 01:19:24.32 Dave Um, that is ah we we cannot talk about scary night times in video games without me bringing up Dragons Dogma which has the best night time in video games and it's not a horror game not in the slightest. It is a. 01:19:24.53 Gerry Yeah, if you just got like another friend running around with you and stuff like that game might not be this. 01:19:25.70 Adam Oh. 01:19:40.70 Dave Goofy ass game. But when the sun goes down, You're like oh shit I better get inside. Yeah pitch fucking black. Yeah and it's fantastic. So let's see here. Um music. 01:19:44.98 Adam And. 01:19:46.24 DFG Dip. 01:19:46.65 Gerry Isn't it like pitch black like literally a pitch black I should play that game. 01:19:51.20 DFG Yep. 01:19:56.52 DFG I was just going to mention another great co-op one to dip your toes in the forest. The forest is an amazing game and it is horrifying if you're playing it by yourself. But if you get a good group of people together. It can be hilarious. 01:20:00.59 Dave Um, yeah. 01:20:12.30 Dave Hell yeah so we've got playing games with friends playing games with the lights on doing whatever you can to change the environment that you're playing in ah playing games that empower you like resident evil 4 like bioshock dead space also like. 01:20:12.71 Gerry It's good. It's good. 01:20:27.92 Dave I think dead space for a lot of people is a scary game I just I didn't feel it because I started dead space with other people and then by the time I was playing by myself I am a killing machine. So ah yeah, we had that um, what else do we have for. Ways to get people in oh Luigi's mansion yeah yeah for sure I'm sure that a lot of people. Yeah because it's it's Nintendo doing a horror game. 01:20:48.44 Gerry Um, luigi's mansion. 01:20:48.60 Adam Ah, un ironically actually pretty good touch point. Love Luigi's mansion. 01:20:52.69 DFG Yeah. 01:20:52.76 Gerry Yeah, Resident Evil mario. 01:20:59.75 Adam Yeah, kind of under you the category that you were talking about of horror games that don't take themselves too seriously. 01:21:02.75 Gerry Yep. 01:21:07.35 Gerry Yeah. 01:21:07.68 Dave Yeah, yeah, Lu Nothing involving Luigi is taken very seriously. 01:21:12.66 Adam Yeah. 01:21:13.90 Gerry Um, except except for Luigian Mario cardd he takes himself pretty goddamn serious death glares. 01:21:19.30 Dave Ah, that's true. Yeah, Luigi's up B and Smash Melee that he takes that seriously. So I think that this is a good time to get into our community submissions for this topic and we'll just kind of run down these and. 01:22:29.44 Dave So I'll start with the first submission and this is from chris n who's a longtime patron of the show. Thank you Chris Chris says I'm not a biggest fan of the genre but I love the dead space series for all of its flaws I love the concept space zombies with some real Ridley Scott vibes and it said. Ridley Scott vibes and of course space zombies drawing you to something that ah you may not have gone to before. Love it. 01:22:55.50 Adam Me. 01:22:56.41 DFG Oh yeah, ah are you ready for me. Okay, Doug Patron from nostalgium arcanum podcast Halloween is my favorite holiday and I've always loved all things macabre the simple. 01:22:58.81 Dave Yeah, yeah. 01:23:12.72 DFG Simply transferred over to game. Oh that simple god can we retake that Halloween is my favorite holiday and I've always loved all things macabb that simply transferred over to games I have strong memories of working my way through the seventh guest puzzles. 01:23:15.50 Dave Yeah, go ahead. 01:23:29.58 DFG Simply to spend more time inhibiting the inhabiting the haunted house contra and ninja guidances geigeresque designs were always compelling. It's simply a given things that go bump in the night are cool and always will be yes seventh gas. Oh my god. 01:23:44.70 Dave Hell yeah I have no idea what you're talking about. But I'm I'm like dog's been in it from the beginning. So okay. 01:23:45.80 DFG Oh it was an old school old school puzzle Horror game. Oh God yes. 01:23:47.64 Gerry I I have I have no mouth and I must scream. 01:23:52.19 Adam Speed. Ah, that's good stuff. Did you see that they're doing a seventh guest vr port yeah with some really fascinating like it's still live action people but they've got some kind of. 01:23:58.69 Gerry What. 01:23:59.65 DFG I did see that and I will never play it. But. 01:24:09.94 Gerry No way. 01:24:09.94 Adam Recording depth so that they'll be like three D Holograms even though it's still live action. Ah performances I'm curious. It's not going to be good but I'm interested. 01:24:15.68 Gerry It sounds dope. 01:24:18.49 DFG Me up. 01:24:20.19 Gerry All right Chris C Patron from retro hangover podcast simple the atmosphere even when it's not scary. There's always something alluring about a dark gritty and macabre environment that sucks me in even if I can't stay for more than about an hour yeah 01:24:21.41 Dave Ah. 01:24:35.17 Dave Hey that's true I'm talking a big game here about how how I just be dead space and I'm I'm real happy for myself I play that game in 45 minute chunks you know, same with one I played until dawn. 01:24:49.85 Dave That game's really nicely paced out with chapters. So it's like oh chapter and Okaym turn this shit off I'm playing something else. So. 01:24:53.83 DFG And I love horror and there are games that I will turn on in 10 minutes later I'm like no I'm not right now this is not the wind's blowing outside I'm not going to play this. 01:25:00.20 Adam Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:25:01.46 Gerry That's more career assistant. 01:25:01.58 Dave Um, ah, that's an wins howling. Yeah, that's a good strategy play ah play for as long as you feel like it for any video game. 01:25:10.42 Adam Next up is Boone Patron Triple s moon on Youtube shadow to moon hey boo. 01:25:26.58 Adam Ah, we're married on the discord. Ah, even though I generally don't play Capital H Horror games I appreciate the feeling of horror or horror adjacent design that shows up in games I Love such as Bloodborne Metro fusion. 01:25:27.33 Dave Yeah. 01:25:40.73 Adam Or even rain world because of the mind games. They introduce into my play being anxious or scared is something that I have to manage and overcome in order to succeed in my goal as a player and as someone with heavy anxiety games like Bloodborne acted as sort of a safe space to manage my fight versus flight response. In a way that I found personally very beneficial. 01:26:02.75 Dave Metro fusion is another great pull for this because metro fusion. The first time you play it can be tense. You never know when that essay x is coming. Yeah. 01:26:03.60 Gerry Yes. 01:26:09.80 Adam Very much so to. 01:26:11.40 Gerry Fucking S Sacks I call this saxcks. The first time I played it? How are you kidding? Oh no gonna get got by the sacks. 01:26:17.39 Dave Um, ah shit the sacks you're going to get sacked. Ah, next up is Randall who's a patron. Thank you Randall? Ah Randall says suspense. 01:26:24.43 Adam Who's scarier saxeremy. 01:26:34.80 Dave Climbing dread mystery the unknown I should have been voice acting that whole time. Ah, that is what I think makes an amazing horror game while I'm not the hugest fan of horror games I still have an immense amount of respect for games who pull it off well like dead space with its perfect enemy design and pacing agree about those enemies for sure. 01:26:53.67 Dave Iron lung with its simplistic idea but beautiful execution of dragging out suspense and no one lives under the lighthouse with an incredible mystery that leaves you crawling around every corner for an answer and an addendum here by Randall. Jump scares can be done correctly but are rarely done that way. That's the biggest flaw of the horror genre people thinking jump scares equals horror. Do we want to just camp out on jump scares here for a second and like just just a a little 5 minutes about 01:27:16.70 Gerry I agree. 01:27:17.90 Adam Very much. So. 01:27:17.14 DFG That is. 01:27:25.46 Dave How to how an effective jump scare is set up. 01:27:26.76 DFG An effective jump scare should come out of nowhere. You should not expected it all and so many horror games just pop a jump scare up there the next time you're going through a door. Oh there's a jump scare the next time you're going through a door another jump scare a window jump scare. 01:27:44.30 Dave In. 01:27:46.58 DFG They throw him in too often and no yes, exactly. 01:27:48.42 Gerry Um, loud noises are not scary. That's just it's a physical reaction to a loud noise like if if someone slammed the door open right now I would get a jump scare doesn't mean I'm fucking scared like. 01:27:56.80 Dave Yeah, yeah. 01:27:58.72 DFG Exactly. 01:27:59.21 Adam it's it's it's the the equivalent of like a her made you flinch and it's like well yeah I get fucking yeah got me I guess ah I don't want to say 5 nights at Freddie has done irreparable harm. 01:28:02.92 Gerry Yeah. Well deal. 01:28:14.92 Gerry Ah I don't know. 01:28:15.59 Dave But there we go. Um. 01:28:16.52 DFG Um, it has um. 01:28:16.96 Adam Huh What? yeah. 01:28:21.11 Gerry I've gotten got by that game. 01:28:22.99 Adam Um, well, of course you have it's designed to get you got? Um I think that ah ah, darkwood which I referred previously has my favorite jump scares in ah horror because it's constantly building dread and tension. But you don't know what's happening or where things are going to come from in an organic way rather than something like outlast which just like hey you're going to climb a ladder which means that we're going to have control of your camera for a second and guess what we're going to do with that. 01:28:48.40 Gerry Yeah. 01:28:56.51 Gerry Um, well, it's like what dfg and I were saying about mortuary assistant half the jump scares in that game have no sound and you can miss them. You could easily miss some of them. That's exactly yeah. 01:28:57.52 Adam Ah, which which I find less compelling. Yes, the fact that you can miss them is really compelling. Yeah yeah. 01:29:04.60 DFG We are. 01:29:12.50 Gerry That's why it's so fucking scary. 01:29:13.10 Dave This is this is why I didn't think that dead space was very scary because dead space has a thing bused out of event every 45 seconds for the entire game so by like the first couple ones I was like oh shit and then. 01:29:15.46 Adam Yeah, yeah. 01:29:23.49 Adam Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:29:23.72 Gerry Look. 01:29:23.81 DFG Right? yeah. 01:29:30.42 Dave You know an hour later I was like okay, there's event. Something's going to bust through there or like I'm going to press the thing on the terminal and it's going to take 30 seconds for this door to open and something's going to bust out of the wall during those 30 seconds it feels very formulaic and not the least bit scary. So. 01:29:46.42 Adam Yeah, agreed. 01:29:48.21 DFG Yeah. 01:29:49.30 Dave Yeah, and this is coming from me the the jump scare baby. There's a I mean I'm thinking of a a really good one in until dawn when you open a cupboard and an animal runs out of it. It's not a monster. It's just like ah a squirrel or a raccoon or something. 01:30:01.26 Adam A. 01:30:07.14 Dave But it's been building up tension for the last half hour and then suddenly something that's not threatening just jumps out and you're like oh okay, all right moving on you know. 01:30:17.40 Gerry Dave I would pay real good money to watch you play the mortuary system. 01:30:23.45 Dave That's gonna be. We'll put that what what do what do I value that on Patreon like $400 a month. Ah good I I'm glad that you brought it up randall jump scares. 01:30:28.79 DFG Oh. 01:30:30.59 Gerry Ah, ah. 01:30:33.70 Adam Ah, kit. 01:30:37.34 DFG So Charlie from patron or Charlie a patron do we consider bioshock horror. Yes, we do I typically don't engage with horror media. But when I started listening to ppr I played I go. You're fine. 01:30:50.48 Dave That's a friends of the show Pixel Project radio sorry for interrupting dfg I had to shout out Pixel project radio any chance we get. 01:30:56.90 DFG I played Bioshock because they covered it and that felt more horror than anything I'd played before I enjoyed it a lot though. There was a lot of anxiety management that went into it but at the same time I could step back and go this is intense more intense than I usually enjoy yet I'm having fun. Greatly enjoyed greatly enjoyed b s but at barock yes, greatly enjoyed bullshit greatly. Yeah greatly enjoyed bioshock. But at the same time. 01:31:16.52 Dave Um, I think that's my shock. Yeah. 01:31:19.89 Adam Bioshock. 01:31:21.80 Gerry Bullshit. 01:31:22.54 Adam At abbreviation is BS. 01:31:30.15 DFG Doesn't entice me to engage with more horror media especially anything more intense than that you know a game that's super intense that I just hated dead space or not dead space Dead Space death stranding. Sorry. 01:31:39.59 Adam H. 01:31:39.64 Dave Yeah. 01:31:40.47 Gerry Go on. 01:31:45.48 Dave Oh okay, the one of the other ds. 01:31:45.83 Gerry Oh yeah, you didn't like you didn't like walking around over rocks for a long time. 01:31:46.48 Adam Oh interesting. 01:31:47.34 DFG Death straining. I once I read once I read it like okay the game has some really cool game play mechanics but at the same time the game pushes you towards not using those mechanics like you get to a point where it's like. They want you to build these gigantic roads so you can just skip past the entire game and it just it was too long for me. It goes back to my horror game should be 8 to 10 hours long that game is super long and it just didn't do it for me. 01:32:19.15 Adam Oh yeah, it's like 80 hours long 01:32:24.12 Dave Oh that's interesting. That's another one of those where when you say death stranding I'm like that's not a way a second I remember those those Bt sections those were ah those were creepy. 01:32:31.58 Gerry I was kind of yeah I was fucking weird at the at the first few encounters then it was just straight up annoying. Yeah, it's funny. How like when you're playing certain horror games like you were saying with dead space. How it. 01:32:32.44 Adam M. 01:32:32.60 DFG Yeah. 01:32:36.53 Dave At once you could just jump on the highway in your Hummer and drive past them. 01:32:50.58 Gerry It It is initially scary and I feel like a lot of the Resident Evil games are like this too like you start off and you're like oh my God I only have four shots left with my pistol by the end of it. You're like let's fucking shoot this rocket launcher into this monster's face and like you just you just don't care anymore. You're just like yeah. 01:32:53.43 Adam A. 01:33:04.93 Dave Ah. 01:33:04.98 Adam Yep. 01:33:08.80 DFG Well I think that's one of the things is. We don't think about can you think of a horror movie that is 20 hours long that you really enjoyed no because that wouldn't exist it just it stops being scary after a certain point. 01:33:08.28 Gerry Like anything up now. 01:33:23.70 Gerry True true. 01:33:25.39 Adam Yeah I agree that a game should ah recognize how long it should be I feel like when designing a game it kind of tells you how long it should be and you you should. 01:33:37.51 Dave Um. 01:33:37.93 DFG Um, yeah. 01:33:39.40 Adam And try not to to overstay that welcome. 01:33:43.80 Gerry Yeah, masked Keaton says their creativity. It's hard to do horror and not feel cliched after all horror comes from fear of the unknown. So if you know about it. It's less scary. 01:33:44.82 Dave Yes, sure. 01:33:58.93 Gerry Genre is always pushing itself for that reason and I guess that kind of goes back to my my thing with control like part of the the uneasy feeling of control is like I don't know what the fuck is going on here I don't know what that is I don't know what that thing is I don't know what this place is I think ah it does it masterfully. 01:34:00.17 Adam Is here. 01:34:01.57 Dave Agreed. 01:34:11.64 Dave Yeah. 01:34:14.10 Adam Totally. Ah I think this is also is really relevant for the diminishing returns of horror sequels where it's like Friday the thirteenth part six that that ain't going to be scary. 01:34:29.60 Gerry Um, it's not even going to be good. 01:34:30.58 Adam We all know that hell yeah, one's going to get folded in half. It's going to be great. Ah, but like you were you're talking about like oh I play dead space for the first time and like how kind of scary but it didn't totally work for it. 01:34:30.84 Dave You're just you're just going to see more teenagers get chopped up. Yep, 1 ne's going to die in the shower. We know it's coming. 01:34:34.91 DFG Vip. 01:34:36.26 Gerry But there might be a titty. 01:34:50.43 Adam Wait till you get to dead space 3 my friend because they're near na a scare to be found. You know you know what they are you? You're you're well acquainted. There's only 1 thing left to do and that's you know, kicks a ass. You're all out of bubble gum at that point. 01:34:51.80 Gerry Two I Ah ah I hate a game. Yeah. 01:34:57.37 Dave Ah, yeah. 01:35:04.66 Dave Um, that's true. 01:35:09.86 Adam Ah, so for the next. Oh sorry. 01:35:10.19 Gerry Um, I'll ah no I was just going to say I'll die on the hill that dead space 3 is a bad game. 01:35:16.87 Dave I Don't think that's a very unpopular opinion from what I've heard out there. Yeah ah I Love to die on a hill with all of my closest friends. 01:35:21.13 DFG That's like saying I'll die on this Hill ice cream is good. 01:35:27.79 Gerry Well, the reason why I say that and I hope that Greg Listen says Greg my my co-host he's like that's not. It's not a bad game and I'm like you're it's it's okay to be wrong sometimes buddy like it's okay. 01:35:32.44 Dave M. 01:35:39.13 Dave Ah, hell yeah I Love co-hosts catching strays on episodes. They're not on I'm here for it 01:35:44.40 Gerry I. 01:35:47.28 Adam I I think there's more truth that like it what it wasn't inevitable that dad spate that dead space 3 was going to be bad I think it like has a couple things that had potential but then mostly the money people came in and were like ah. Sort of some microtransacts in there. Let's ah, get some co-op. Yeah, this will work. 01:36:08.57 Gerry Yeah, and. 01:36:09.11 Dave I also just want to shout out mass keaton real quick because this kind of what they said goes back to what I said earlier about um, having cool stories be 1 of my big draws to playing horror games and. 01:36:18.25 Adam And. 01:36:22.18 Dave Horror stories are consistently some of the most creative stories in games that I play so big. Big agree with Keaton there. 01:36:31.73 Adam Ah, next up I'm getting all the good ones hi Jolla Jalla from Jolla Cha's place and the level podcasts horror media preys upon the common fears of society. Each decade has its particular fascination as the global politics and economy shift. Leading to particular types of monsters and styles of horror through this horror people can engage and address the sensations they experience in the real world and if it's a game take action to defeat these anxieties. Biohazards resident evil for example is all about viruses big pharma and government conspiracy. And the 80 s we had the aids epidemic and more recently covered reseven and eight took it to a new phase where now it's a type of mold that can also be extrapolated out into other current and common fears human experimentation on the general populace naturally existing parasites. We don't fully understand taking and transformed into bioorganic weapons. The general populace is at the mercy of these corporation and governments if not for the few brave heroes fighting to take the villains down. This is a very deep wealth to dive into so I limited myself to just a brief mention of a single series that itself takes many forms and I think that's. 100 % accurate like you can definitely find trends in horror films that stretch back you know decades just because film is such a ah has so much more history than video games. Ah you know you can see these trends come and go these rise and fall the way that different anxieties are ah expressed. 01:37:55.71 Dave M. 01:38:05.40 Adam Through horror movies and horror monsters. Ah, and that's also true for for video games. Especially as you know more time goes out and those patterns are able to emerge. 01:38:16.44 Dave Yeah, hundred percent next up we have the artful scruff they say I also wouldn't say I was a particularly I'm going to retake that they say I also wouldn't say I'm a. Particularly big fan of horror games and I'm not even sure I could say what drew me to the ones I have played I do enjoy the feeling of dread of not wanting to turn a corner or open a door because of what might be there I think there's often an aesthetic consideration for me dead space and signalis both look really cool and yeah I i. Through a little bit of shade at dead space. But it does look really fucking cool and signnalis does too I'm excited to play that. 01:39:01.36 Adam Yeah, love the art direction of signalis. 01:39:03.16 Gerry It's a good ass game. It's man it is genuinely like unsettling sometimes like. 01:39:10.83 Adam Ah, it's It's also just like ah I think it's just really stunning in its different choices the way that it'll like frame a cut scene or like have that absolute flat red which is just like so striking looking. Ah, really. 01:39:17.45 Gerry Yeah. 01:39:28.23 Adam Immaculate vibes inignalis. Yeah. 01:39:30.89 Gerry It's on game pass 2 which is great like yeah, it's it's it's a good one. It's so good. 01:39:31.12 Dave Hell yeah, it is. 01:39:32.95 DFG I Still need to play it I haven't gotten this acknowledge yet. 01:39:39.60 Adam It's dense. It is It is a cryptic work that I think rewards ah paying attention and ah engaging with it on maybe not a strictly literal level. 01:39:39.92 Gerry A lot to and you. 01:39:55.30 Adam There's a lot of like emotional and dream logic. Ah that reveals truths in that game. 01:39:59.67 Dave Tell yeah. 01:40:00.40 DFG Awesome thrack horror is fun for that darker story lines are sorry we'll redo that thrack horror is fun for that darker storylines and messed up ideas mixed with some philosophy also gameplay wise. They can all be very exhilarating favorite horror games are resonial for Silent Hill to alien isolation Allen Wake and doki dokey literature club du. 01:40:30.77 Gerry Dokey Dokey dude get the fuck out of here with that shit. Oh my God If you know you know about that. 01:40:38.66 DFG So I would like to say that that is ah a relatively new-ish genre of taking a game and you're playing it and it's just a normal game. It's not horror at all and then eventually it just starts to go down that line. 01:40:55.10 Gerry Have you played Pony Island Holy shit I didn't know anything about Pony Island it was on sale on steam and it was like overwhelmingly positive and I was like fuck it. It's like thirty cents right now I bought it I didn't know what I was getting into man. 01:40:55.64 DFG And I love those I have not I want to still mad. 01:40:57.35 Adam Um, yeah, yo pony island is my favorite of the David Mullins games 01:41:09.86 Dave Um, yeah, hell yeah is another. 01:41:14.69 Gerry I didn't know what I was getting into. 01:41:16.99 Adam Ah I didn't I didn't think of it out at the time but both ah Pony Island and inscription which are both games by the same guy ah would be really great. Um, entry point horror games as well. 01:41:20.15 Gerry Oh and inscription is like law Shift Kiss yeah. 01:41:20.27 Dave Yes. 01:41:27.86 Dave Yeah, in inscription looks like a scary ass game but it's it's not really, it's a card game in a dark cabin but it's it's not really a game that's trying to freak you out until you use the pliers. 01:41:41.19 DFG You know, ah a group of games that I didn't mention are the chila's art games I don't know if any of you all have played those Chila's art are are 2 men from Japan I believe they're brothers but they develop super simple. 01:41:46.34 Adam Me. 01:41:49.10 Dave Um. 01:41:57.56 DFG Horror games that you can beat in about an hour and they will sometimes take a situation. My first game I played I had no idea what it was I was told to play it was called the convenience store and I'm like how can you make a convenience store horrifying they do a wonderful job. It is also the pixelized. 01:41:58.62 Adam A. 01:42:17.14 DFG PS one PS 2 style graphics of all their games but they take just a benign situation and turn it horrifying in each one of their games that I've played so far caretaker and several others just amazing. 01:42:17.98 Adam E. 01:42:26.47 Gerry I Love that put that in our group chat I Want to check those out. 01:42:36.52 Adam Um, another one which I can't believe I didn't mention ah that I think would be very if you played gone home and you're like ok I'd like to escalate a little bit. Um Kitty Horror show ah is a independent ah game creator who just makes these weird bite size games. Ah her most favorite famous 1 is called anatomy and absolute highest recommendation to anatomy you can purchase it for just a couple bucks I think it's available on itch I o. And it is one of the best haunted house stories that is out there. Ah yeah, again, maybe like an hour long a little bit more and no jump scares. No ah mechanical. Really It's just a walking sim but like. Absolutely haunting ideas. It's a game that I have thought about a whole lot. 01:43:33.61 Gerry I wanted to to give a little shout to thrack here for mentioning doki toki literature club because just this past year I went through like this phase if you listen to our podcast you'll understand what I'm talking about because I forever was like I hate mmos I don't like. 01:43:34.49 Dave Hell yeah. 01:43:51.24 Gerry Card based games I don't like art. Yeah yeah, like all these things that I was like I hate all this stuff and I now love them all because I started actually trying these games 1 of the things was visual novels I was like this is stupid. Why the fuck would I ever play a visual novel and Beth got me to play dung and rompa and. 01:44:09.51 Gerry Holy shit did that game fuck with me and it's one of those things that's like this has no business being this fucked up and like gets under your skin in a really crazy way. But it's like anime asks Bullshit's happening and then at the same time.. It's just like this horrible shit that you're like what. There's no way that this should be in this game. It's absolutely disgusting. But recently we played a visual novel called ah what the fuck was that called phantasmo something rather pair Oh Paranorma Site We played that that's like fairly recent. And man that had some insanely scary intro stuff like for a visual novel I was shit baked like absolutely shit paid So shut up thrack for the yeah for the visual novel stuff. 01:44:53.49 Adam M. 01:44:57.46 Dave Nice. there's yeah there's ah there's one that I've been very slowly working my way through called the house in Fata Mor ghana that is also like anime bullshit. 01:45:08.18 Adam Boom. 01:45:12.57 Dave But also very very fucked up at times in a horror way that is ah is kind of cool. So if you're individual novels I'm not very far into it. But um, it it does give me those vibes of like oh I'm going to I'm going to look through the corner of my eye at the next scene you know. 01:45:27.68 Gerry Really I have to check that out. 01:45:28.18 Adam M. 01:45:30.99 Dave Yeah, yep. 01:45:37.20 Gerry Burger champ says I'm a huge fan of horror media I was exposed to horror films at what was likely too young a age I don't get scared from movies or games. So for me, it's all about atmosphere and the design of the horror. 01:45:47.38 Dave Said. 01:45:54.64 Gerry A looming sense of dread is always a welcome feeling and nothing is better than an unreasonably disgusting creature design amen I guess games like the uninvited alone in the dark and that not particularly good Elvira mistress of the dark game. What the fuck is that. 01:45:59.30 Adam Hey hey. 01:46:12.97 Gerry Ah, would be the earliest games I can think of that nailed the right out here for me. Glad to see my oldest kid has followed the suit and likes macabre disturbing gore fests and haunted oppressive corridors as much as I do um I will say to my youngest daughter. Um, quite recently it was like the. I've never been more proud than when she was like like we we went on ah a family vacation and I just like my comfort food literally is just throw on horror movies like that's how much of a horse Sick. Oh I am I'm just like yeah I'm just going to casually watch hellraiser and have a nap. Um. 01:46:42.59 DFG Oh yeah. 01:46:50.00 Adam Where Ha Ah, ah. 01:46:50.80 Dave Ah. 01:46:52.30 Gerry So we went on a we went on a family trip and it was myself my girlfriend and the two girls ava is 15 and the older one is like 20 so anyways, we're sitting in the hotel room and I just throw on scream and she's like can you turn this off like I I don't I don't want to. Watch this and I'm like you just go on your phone or something put your headphones in go on your phone. Don't pay attention to it I'm just gonna chill and watch this in the in the room here after like 20 minutes I look over phone is on her chest. She's fully into the movie. We went out for supper and when we came back, she's like when you finish watching watch that movie like. And we I was like are you fucking serious right now. Yeah, we're gonna watch them all tonight. We're not even going out anymore. We're gonna watch all the like the screen movies and now she like loves scream she watches like them all like on. She's just like 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 like it's her jam and I've never been more proud of life. 01:47:35.86 Adam So in. 01:47:43.85 Adam 2 01:47:47.15 Dave Fantastic. 01:47:49.37 DFG That's awesome. 01:47:52.43 Adam At the. 01:47:54.27 Dave Adam it is ah it is just like serendipitous these ah these right ends that you're grabbing here. 01:48:00.27 Adam Ah, yeah I have no control over the order looking at it. Ah, it says Corey Adams co-host on halftone takes I assume that's come some kind of Patreon tier or something ah Corey says hi Corey Corey says not a huge horror fan but I have always been interested in the resident evilval series and how they do the whole corporate horror I've always been a fan of the corpos were f and around and the little guys are always the ones who end up finding out and yeah, absolutely I think that something that. Weirdly doesn't get talked about a lot ah is how resident evil is like explicitly corporate horror. Ah you know it is about evil corporations and you know eventually it turns into now we have a cartoon villain twirling his mustache talking about. Total global saturation. But for the the vast majority of it. Ah, it is about like these impersonable forces that ah you know cause tremendous amount of harm. 01:48:57.81 Dave Um. 01:49:10.64 Adam Without caring for the the people who are involved and that is a rich vein ah to me and one that like kind of doesn't get ah a ton of representation outside of the resident Evil series. 01:49:16.75 Dave Yeah. 01:49:24.80 Dave Yeah I'm trying to think aside from every sci-fi game set in space That's ever been made of other examples of corporate horror. Ah, but that's. 01:49:33.80 Gerry I Guess Evil within sort of in a weird way like also shadow out to evil within Evil within is vin good. That's some good shit right? there to is yeah yet. Yeah I like this just. 01:49:38.13 DFG Yeah, the dino price. It's games. 01:49:39.12 Adam Yeah, there's some some evil within evil within 2 specifically it has some real good shit. Um i' stay. 01:49:48.13 DFG The Dino crisis games are also corporate horror because they're they're resident able with dinosaurs. 01:49:52.41 Gerry Yeah, you know what that brief dude can I just say like what are we doing? What are we doing as a society that we do not have more. 01:49:52.94 Dave Ooh. 01:49:56.51 Adam Their their devil may cry with dinosaurs. They're fucking goofy. 01:50:10.10 Gerry Dinosaur horror games like what is going on I mean I said at the beginning of this when I was seven years old I got scared by a fucking raptor in a super nitendo game like bring it back baby like someone has to be doing this shit. 01:50:11.52 DFG Um, exactly 01:50:16.56 Adam Yeah, maybe up. I feel like an alien isolation style Jurassic Park game could be really compelling. 01:50:26.67 Dave Yeah. 01:50:27.75 Gerry , there is a ah there is something coming out I can't remember what the name of it is but they they tease it at like the game awards or something like last year they showed like a very quick trailer and it it literally said like survival horror Jurassic Park and I was like I'm in you know what? you don't. 01:50:43.14 DFG Yeah. 01:50:44.13 Adam Yep, pretty good pitch. 01:50:45.16 Gerry You don't even need to say anything else I'm already buying the game full price day one. 01:50:48.90 Dave Ah. 01:50:50.43 Adam ah ah yeah ah exo primal is the ah modern spiritual successor to Dino crisis and honestly it's the spiritual successor that Dino crisis deserves in my opinion. 01:50:52.17 Dave Um, so that's good Adam yeah. 01:50:54.69 Gerry Us terrifying. It's terr. 01:51:04.86 Gerry It's fun. It's a fun game. 01:51:07.85 Dave So that is ah that's all of our write-ins for this episode I want to thank everybody who's in the Discord server who decided to ah take part in this episode and write in share your thoughts about horror games if you are listening and you're thinking hey I would like to participate in a future episode and I'd like to hang out with a bunch of cool people. The tube discord server is a place where you can participate and hang out with a bunch of cool people so you'll find an invite link down in the show notes you can join the discord server. highly recommended. It is a good time and we'd love to have you. So. As we wrap up this episode. We do a little bit of housekeeping as always. first of all, thank you to ah to the 3 of you dfg Gerry and Adam for joining me and I want to give you all a chance here at the end to tell people where they can find you around the internet. And what you do so dfg I'll start with you first. 01:51:59.88 DFG I'm Matty the dog faced gamer dfg if you like you can find me on twitch 3 times a week Tuesdays Saturdays Tuesdays Fridays and Saturdays at seven p m I play a variety of all kinds of games and have a. Very big bent towards horror. So if there's something new in horror and you want to check it out I've probably played it. 01:52:21.42 Dave Hell yeah, and Gerry. 01:52:21.95 Gerry Yeah, you can find my my voice along with Greg and Beth's voice on supergos radio comes out every other friday you can get that on all your different podcasting platforms. We're also we're working on a Youtube channel. It's been kind of a running joke that we're gonna eventually get some stuff up. We're also on Twitter or x or whatever the fuck at super ghost radio and on Instagram at super ghost radio and on Twitch at super goes live. 01:52:50.61 Dave And Adam. 01:52:54.92 Adam Ah, yes, you can find my podcast half tone takes wherever podcasts are available I have a episode that's about my love of Resin Evil Ah also go back to tales from the backlog listen to me talk about Resin Evil four. It's a good time. Ah. 01:53:10.33 Dave Yep. 01:53:11.15 Adam And if you just can't get enough resident evil and you like tabletop games maybe consider checking out. Ah enter the survival horror on Itch Io I Value access and so I always have free community copies available for people to jump come check out the game risk free and then if you like it. Support afterwards. 01:53:33.80 Dave Awesome! So we'll find links down in the show notes. Once again, ah for Twitch and podcasts and tabletop games and while I'm talking about tales from the backlog here. Ah you can go ahead and click those links and subscribe follow whatever you can do. Just tune me out. You've heard this before if you've listened to the show. So I ah really appreciate as always ah people who share the show with people. depend I mean regardless you tell someone you've found a new podcast. They should listen to they'll probably block you and or run away but that's that's fine. Comes with the territory I appreciate it if you want to support monetarily you can do that on patreonpatreon.com/real Dave Jackson is the place and I have another podcast because I'm an idiot I have 2 podcasts the other one is called a top 3 podcast and we do top 3 lists. And we've done top 3 scary movies I think is the only horror list. We've done on the show top 3 is a good time if you want to hear me talk about things that are not video games. That's the place. So once again, thank you to? ah the 3 of you dfg Gerry Adam Appreciateci all taking the time this has been awesome exactly what I wanted from this episode so everyone open invitation to come back on the show. This has been great. Thank you everybody for listening and tune in next week for the next game to come out of the backlog we're kicking off Horror month let's go