[00:00 - 01:30] Intro music and a montage of video clips from various episodes.

Jeff: [01:31] Welcome to the Grit City Podcast. I'm Jeff.

Scott: [01:34] I'm Scott.

Mike: [01:35] And I'm Mike.

Jeff: [01:36] Oh yeah, and this is the first podcast of 2026.

Scott: [01:40] It's a whole new year. The world didn't end, boys.

Jeff: [01:44] Jesus, but it's trying really f***ing hard.

Mike: [01:46] Well, some dumb asses are kind of helping it.

Scott: [02:00] What is it, the third day? The third day of the new year and we've already dropped bombs on people.

Mike: [02:05] Oh, we stole the president? Yeah. We stole the president.

Jeff: [02:07] Every time I f***ing wake up in the morning I'm like, hey, I should make my alarm "But wait, there's more" every time. It's hilarious though because we talked... how long did we talk before we started this podcast? Half an hour?

Scott: [02:24] Yeah. Just bullsh*ttin'. And not once did we bring up politics at all. And 30 seconds into the podcast I'm like, "Yeah, who we bombing?"

Mike: [02:37] Way to derail us, Scott.

Scott: [02:38] Yeah, I know, it's my fault. Um, it's fed up. I think it's fed up.

Mike: [02:44] Agreed.

Jeff: [02:45] Right, yeah, there could be a lot of things we could be doing better with our time as a nation. But yeah, you know, it's a thing.

Scott: [02:53] Holy sh*t. You think?

Jeff: [02:54] Yes! So, how was everybody's new year? Right after New Year's Eve.

Scott: [03:03] Mine was good, man. I didn't do much. I crashed. We watched a movie and then I fell asleep. You guys?

Mike: [03:09] Oh, we watched Die Hard and then I went and picked up my daughter from a party.

Scott: [03:15] Nice.

Jeff: [03:19] Yeah, so how's that work? I had a daughter growing up and it's been a long time. So what was it, like a boy-girl party? Was it well supervised? Was the mom and dad there? How sketchy was it?

Mike: [03:39] Well, it was supervised, the mom was there. She'll be 15 this month. So it was a 9th grade friends party. There was about 10 people. And it was all girls.

Scott: [04:09] Jeff, why are you still playing games, bro?

Jeff: [04:13] I'm trying to make it work. Yeah, Goober Dash is working.

Scott: [04:22] Oh, Goober Dash is working?

Jeff: [04:23] Uh-huh. Authorized or something. Okay, it's showing me how to jump.

Scott: [04:27] Alright, let's join in then, f*** it.

Jeff: [04:29] Okay, I'm still playing Goober, man. You need to get in here. How come there's no... are you in yet?

Scott: [04:36] I am too! But why aren't we playing together? I'm on level 4. Where are you guys?

Mike: [04:42] Oh, I just finished the tutorial.

Scott: [04:45] Oh, there's a tutorial?

Mike: [04:47] Yeah, I've never played games, so...

Jeff: [04:48] Maybe I can invite you. More options... oh, no.

Scott: [04:58] Wow, Mike's soul passed through that, huh? You stud.

Mike: [05:05] What do you mean?

Scott: [05:07] I don't know, I'm still jumping up walls and sh*t right now. Are you playing the tutorial?

Mike: [05:12] I guess. Is this a tutorial?

Scott: [05:14] I don't know, that's what it started me with.

Jeff: [05:15] How many levels are in the tutorial? Oh, I died.

Scott: [05:22] Not enough playlist. I need to make a playlist, I think. How come there's a coat hanger? That's pretty... See, this... we need to not play video games, we need to not do this until the podcast is over. Alright, I can't. I'm leaving this game right now.

Jeff: [05:40] I must have finished the tutorial now.

Scott: [05:41] Okay, I'm going to jump out and then I'm going to jump in... no, oh, it says Scott was playing.

Jeff: [05:46] Well, I just got in, but that's fine. I'm leaving now.

Scott: [05:48] Okay, well we have to at least get through at least a few minutes of the podcast before we play games because all people hear is us going "Uh, uh, uh" as we jump and try to play a stupid game and we can't hold a conversation the whole time.

Jeff: [06:11] No. So, and we had things we wanted to talk about.

Mike: [06:13] Are you saying we can't multitask, Scott?

Scott: [06:14] Multitasking is not real. It's not a real thing.

Mike: [06:17] I agree.

Scott: [06:18] Yeah, you can do one thing at a time. You just switch between things quickly and you're like, "Oh, I'm multitasking," and you're not.

Jeff: [06:27] That's what I learned on an NPR show at work, is that your brain doesn't clarify whether you're at the top of Mount Everest or you just ate a real good bowl of hot noodles as far as an exciting event. It just knows it was exciting and should record it.

Mike: [06:49] I don't think my brain works like that.

Scott: [06:51] My brain would not work at the top of Mount Everest, so I know this is not even a conversation. It would just shut down.

Jeff: [06:59] I'm just saying it doesn't have like an excitement scale. After it reaches the word "excitement" it's like, "Yeah, okay, that was exciting." And it doesn't say, "Well, this is exciting times 10, this is exciting times 5." No, it's only excited as... See, that's why people choke themselves when they're jerking off, that's why.

Mike: [07:28] Okay...

Scott: [07:31] They're like, "I want to get to a times 5" and it never works.

Jeff: [07:34] That's one of those things I learned in scouts, you know.

Scott: [07:39] That's what we call kung fu, dude. We all know.

Mike: [07:41] Wait, did you just say you learned how to choke yourself in scouts? What...?

Jeff: [07:44] What else you going to do with those knots? Bunch of young men hanging around in tents, tying knots. Eager volunteers. No, I'm kidding. No, they're good people. I was a boy scout, and I really... I was never ever approached. I'm pretty sure I don't know whether I should be ashamed of that or like...

Mike: [08:16] Dude, it's literally in the name of it, like they were scouting boys... Oh wait.

Jeff: [08:21] I know, and of course there's evil people everywhere and I met some d*cks for sure, not inappropriately. I met a lot of them in the boy scouts. Sorry, dude.

Scott: [08:33] I was in the boy scouts too, I had no problems. And I was adorable. Like, I was totally molest-able. I'm telling you, I was a cute kid.

Jeff: [08:43] And I met some guys that were total eagle scouts and they were great guys and they were a really good role model for everybody, so it's just like, man, you can't fing beat that, you know? But of course there's always those fing creepy people.

Mike: [09:00] You gotta throw out the... what is it, Without a Paddle? I was never a boy scout, but I ate a brownie once.

Scott: [09:10] I get it. No, I laughed! Did you... I was laughing. Sorry, I was maybe a little too far back from my mic, but no, that's pretty funny Mike.

Jeff: [09:18] Good job Mike.

Mike: [09:24] I hate you guys.

Jeff: [09:32] MTV, speaking of funny things. Do you guys remember where you were when MTV started?

Scott: [09:38] No. What was it, 1980?

Jeff: [09:43] Oh, I think it was a little bit later than that maybe.

Scott: [09:48] I don't know, we need to look it up.

Mike: [09:50] 1981.

Scott: [09:51] Yeah, no, I don't remember. As a matter of fact, I don't remember MTV until f***, it was probably 4th or 5th grade for me when I remember MTV. I remember music videos before that, but it was because we had like a satellite, right? We lived in the middle of nowhere.

Mike: [10:12] Oh, damn, you were rich! Had the giant like 10-foot dish in your front yard?

Scott: [10:18] Yeah, dude. But it was because we lived in the middle of f***ing nowhere, dude. And for years we had like a giant antenna, my mom would be like, "Go turn the antenna!" And then I'd have to go out to the corner of the house and turn this metal pole.

Jeff: [10:33] Yeah, cause you had to catch the satellite in the sky, whatever part of the horizon it was in.

Scott: [10:38] Yeah, it was f**ed up, man. Um, yeah. But yeah, we watched videos... dude, I remember during lightning storms, like unplugging all our sht. Do you guys remember that as a kid?

Mike: [10:51] Yes, because you didn't have home surge protectors built in anymore... back then you didn't.

Jeff: [10:57] Right, it would just be like live copper wire wrapped in black tape. That's how basic it was.

Scott: [11:06] Yeah, we lived in the middle of nowhere, so there was no cable, there was no... like nothing, right? Like we were... well f*** dude, Battle Mountain. I lived f***ing 30 miles out of Battle Mountain.

Mike: [11:17] That's... so that's funny because I was picturing middle of nowhere Nevada and I'm like, yeah, I can see that.

Scott: [11:23] Yeah, yeah, nowhere, right?

Jeff: [11:25] So anyway, it was started at August 1st, '81 at 2:01 AM. Do you guys know what the first video they played was?

Mike: [11:37] "Video Killed the Radio Star."

Jeff: [11:39] Yeah, by...?

Mike: [11:41] Dire Straits.

Jeff: [11:42] Oh... no.

Mike: [11:44] The Buggles.

Jeff: [11:46] The Buggles. Wait, what? Oh, I thought that was Dire Straits the whole time. What?

Mike: [11:51] No, no, no, you're thinking of "Money for Nothing."

Jeff: [11:57] Yeah, where they coined the basically, "I want my MTV." Yeah, they made it popular. That was a very... kind of a, what do you call that, where you're kind of reaching out the third wall, the fourth wall type of thing.

Scott: [12:18] Do you, Jeff, do you remember where you were when it...?

Jeff: [12:21] Yeah, I didn't get to see the beginning of it because we got cable a couple years later, but it was a huge part of my growing up as a teenager because that's where you wanted to be. And like my time schedule was based on countdown shows, because all the music I liked was always at the lower end of the countdown like in the 20s, you know? And so I had to bust my ass home because I'd always get home in the top 3, and so it'd always be like, you know, the basic... a Madonna video or if it was up there it'd be like a White Lion but very top 40ish.

Scott: [13:03] Do you remember the first show that you watched on MTV?

Jeff: [13:07] God no, they didn't have shows! They showed music videos.

Scott: [13:12] That's what I... so MTV's Remote Control is what I was thinking about.

Jeff: [13:18] Later, later. That was later. I think I was probably married to my first wife by then.

Scott: [13:24] No way! That was no way was the 90s, because I was... I remember going like after school with a buddy and just like smashing Doritos and cream cheese and we were in like probably 5th or 6th grade when that came out, I swear.

Jeff: [13:42] I remember it, it was a fun show. So when did it come out? It's called Remote Control.

Scott: [13:50] Everybody's Googling right now. Um... '87 to '90. What?

Jeff: [13:58] Yes, I was 17. I was 17 to 20, yeah.

Scott: [14:04] Yes, so that makes... I guess that makes sense because... yeah, that would be 17... no, that wouldn't be 17 to 20 for me.

Jeff: [14:11] I had my first kid when I was 17, I think. No, 20.

Scott: [14:15] Yeah, see I was 9 in '87, dude.

Mike: [14:19] Yeah, I was 7. F*** you guys.

Scott: [14:22] He's sitting here like, "It was a big part of my childhood," I'm like, I think the first video I remember seeing on MTV was f***ing Michael Jackson, "Bad." And then I remember Weird Al's "I'm Fat" right after that.

Scott: [14:36] I remember "Thriller." "Thriller" was a big deal, that was on all the time, right?

Mike: [14:41] That video gave me nightmares.

Jeff: [14:44] Right. And they knew how to package it, and I really think as a medium they saved the award shows. Like everything was so flat, and everything MTV did as far as award shows seemed like it was outlawed, you know what I mean? And it was just like if you want to see an off where they made fun of stuff and they did that that whole breaking the fourth wall sht. And I forgot the word for that, it's called... everybody uses it. It's something universe, but it's not the meta... the Metaverse, yeah sht.

Mike: [15:18] Multiverse?

Jeff: [15:19] No, the Metaverse. You know the whole like comic books and the Metaverse of the comic books is like we know about it and they're aware that they're a comic book and sh*t like that. And so that's what it was. It was like people that are getting awarded on TV are aware they're on TV type of thing.

Scott: [15:37] Yeah, there's a bunch of documentaries kind of... and you could feel it, but it was a lot of "hey just throw it to the wall see what sticks," you know? They were all just trying to make the deadline and it was like we don't give a f*** throw it on, you know? And it was like a lot of accidents and a lot of people just like, well this is all we got, go with it, you know? Um, and it was fun because it made history. And it was I think the whole thing was a huge cut of the whole 80s, you know, that whole decade. MTV was just the big old piece of cake of that, you know.

Scott: [16:15] Well yeah, I mean it defined that whole generation, right? It... like when you think about it, it was the definition of growing up then was watching those videos. Those videos set trends across the country. Like if you're in the middle of nowhere, that was the only connection you had to like cities, right? And the things that were going on in the cool places, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, so I mean it made a thing.

Scott: [16:41] Because again, we haven't really talked about it, the reason we're bringing this up is MTV basically quit, right? Like they shut down every station but one now.

Jeff: [16:53] Yeah, I thought they shut down...?

Mike: [16:56] They shut down the last station they had that was 24/7 music videos. That's what it was.

Scott: [17:01] Music, that's right. So the only thing they're playing now is the reality shows, right?

Mike: [17:06] Right. But they still have the whatever it is, top 10 or sh*t shows. Like most of it is not music.

Scott: [17:12] Okay, so they're still doing like a TRL type show or something.

Mike: [17:16] Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: [17:21] Yeah, so it's not Music Television anymore, it's more like Media Television now.

Mike: [17:28] But it wasn't for a long time, that was why they made MTV2, right? Because when the reality shows got big, the stupid... what the hell was the one where they all lived together?

Jeff: [17:40] Oh, yeah...

Scott: [17:42] The Real World!

Mike: [17:43] Yeah, which... like when because for a while the DJ shows, right, the dance shows, um, you remember those? DJ Skribble and all the girls dancing at the water parks and sh*t?

Jeff: [17:54] Oh, and their spring stuff. Spring break was f***ing epic.

Mike: [17:58] Yeah, oh yeah, spring break stuff. Yeah.

Jeff: [18:00] Summer break, New Year's Eve parties were off the hook. I remember some of the coolest things I ever seen as a kid.

Mike: [18:07] But then they started doing like the dating games stuff, and then it got into so many shows that...

Scott: [18:13] We talked about those last time, right? Were we talking about those last time? Like Singled Out and all that f***ing...

Mike: [18:21] Yeah, yeah.

Scott: [18:22] But they just had so many of those shows that they created a whole another channel for the music because they quit playing music on it.

Jeff: [18:30] And even their... they hired or they did a contest to become a VJ, people became famous overnight. It was a real first like the first step of like a social media type of influencer type thing. Concerts at people's houses, remember that? They had like... Poison or something at somebody's backyard.

Jeff: [18:49] Oh yeah, all those crazy contests. Oh it was Quiet Riot would spend Christmas with you and...

Mike: [19:01] But then they did, I mean they had really cool stuff like Unplugged, right? Where they would bring in a band and let them do whatever the hell they wanted.

Jeff: [19:11] No, they did a lot of that stuff. And just... end of an era, man. Right, now it's gone. Now you just see pregnant whiny 16-year-olds on there.

Mike: [19:19] I haven't watched TV in so long I couldn't even tell you. But I... like if you hadn't said MTV is no longer there I would not have known.

Scott: [19:32] It's too bad. And it sounds weird, but like I still watch music videos, I just watch them on YouTube, right?

Jeff: [19:40] Me too! Yeah, Chancy's here. What's up C-note?

Scott: [19:45] Yeah, man. So I mean there's a band... I kind of don't want to tell everybody what I listen to. Um, but there is a band that I listen to who this last year decided in one year they're going to put out three albums, right?

Mike: [20:00] Dang.

Scott: [20:01] Yeah, right? So they've just been recording and putting out albums, and a lot of them are live recordings. So they were like selling tickets to come into the studio and sit while they recorded the album. And then they recorded the video of that and put the video up on YouTube, which I thought was really cool, right?

Mike: [20:20] That'd be cool as sh*t.

Scott: [20:21] Right, that's what I thought, dude. I'm super into them, I love what they're kind of doing, right? Um, but I watch like almost everything they put out, like whether it's a music video, they do blogs, they do you know behind the scenes tour thing. I'm like half a fanboy, right? Like if something comes on I'm like, "Ooh". MTV never had that kind of grip on you.

Mike: [20:47] No, right. Like or even you couldn't do that with the bands you wanted. Like the only time I would ever hear heavy bands was Headbangers Ball, right? That was it. And then pretty and then you know towards the end there before they cancelled Headbangers Ball they were playing like f**ing I don't like White Snake or what you know whatever they were playing some other bullsht. Yeah. Or it was more like Pearl Jam or...

Mike: [21:13] The alternative bands yeah, Nirvana and all that sh*t yeah.

Scott: [21:16] Yeah, and then they just cancelled Headbangers Ball. But Headbangers Ball was one of the only places I could ever hear Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth, the people that were heavy back then, right?

Jeff: [21:33] Yeah, the first thing that led up to Headbangers Ball was a day that they gave an hour to like Dee Snider. And I had to beg my dad because it was right during dinner time because everything was like three hours ahead. Yeah, so and the first video that they showed of that after begging my dad and saying no it ain't satanic we should live through this hey it's okay cool it's just music was "Balls to the Wall" by Accept.

Scott: [21:59] Nice.

Jeff: [22:00] And my dad... as my dad's eating you know potatoes and... Did he just get up and shut off the TV? Almost, I thought it was over. I thought it was over and I said I said I don't know dad I don't know what this is. I just want to see Twisted Sister that's it man. It was like yeah I didn't know this song even existed pop I'm very sorry I did.

Mike: [22:23] That's always the worst. "Hey let me show something I really enjoy to you" and it's the absolute worst intro thing for anyone ever.

Scott: [22:33] Joe Rogan talks about a buddy giving him a fing anime to watch and sends him home and he's like he tells his old man "Oh let's watch this cartoon anime" and it's some fing manga like with tentacle porn.

Mike: [22:48] Like some dirty... yeah, dude. One of the f***ing tentacles.

Scott: [22:54] And his dad goes "Nope" and he rolls out of bed yeah they're both sitting in bed yeah they're sitting in bed he said he was in bed with his old man watching this poor lady getting abused by tentacles. Mike Cthulhu.

Jeff: [23:14] I forgot the name of it but yeah it's very well known throughout the nerd world.

Scott: [23:19] Yeah it's one of the good ones that everybody talks about. I don't know either, it's not my gig.

Mike: [23:25] Sure, Scott, sure.

Scott: [23:27] Not yet, maybe one day.

Jeff: [23:30] So also, speaking of old things, Star Trek. So I again I like this age because everybody's either dead or all their contracts have expired and they don't give a f*** who's listening anymore. So you get to hear all these stories. So there was a documentary, it was like an episodic type thing and it's called 55 Years of Star Trek and I think it's from...

Scott: [23:54] 50 Shades of Star Trek.

Jeff: [23:55] 50 Shades of Star Trek. I know. There's some people that do that, that's their main living is just...

Mike: [24:02] Most used Holodeck platform on the entire fleet. Black couch.

Scott: [24:08] That's funny! I was trying to go 50 Shades of... what is the little beam her up thing they talk about the f***... transporter. There you go, 50 Shades of Transporter. But when he said Holodeck I was like f*** that's even better dude.

Jeff: [24:25] So it was just a good section of selection of people and a good selection of stories starting from you know Roddenberry was a bomber pilot, survived all his missions and always liked helping. But he did have... everybody says well he's all geniuses are very complicated, you know, and he he had a drug problem, you know, heavy duty drinking at the least, marijuana and cocaine you know.

Scott: [24:52] Sounds cool.

Jeff: [24:53] Yeah, speed, you know all the above. One of the guy goes, "Yeah we were running at different speeds. I was getting my stuff done and he was on it." Yeah, so a lot of people kind of knew. And so but it really made me think about these people really had heart, everybody had heart in one way or another and we everything was about writing and they didn't have any excuse to make a bad movie. Some of this the scripts were sitting on somebody's desk going back and forth like seven years, you know, but people were just being stupid because of money you know.

Jeff: [25:40] Cool thing though, so Desilu was the first ones they used I Love Lucy rerun gratuities to to fund Star Trek.

Mike: [25:52] Oh I remember that.

Jeff: [25:54] Yeah and nobody knew what a rerun was. They were like what the... Did you call her Lucy Lou though? Well it was like Desilu Studios, Lucille Ball yeah. Yeah and so her and her husband you know Desi Arnaz at the time really were pro one pro artist, pro creator. Think they're kind of like what Image did with DC and Marvel. They're like why should you big fs get all the money when we're doing all the fing work and you get to keep all this money. Yeah and they said we should be getting the lion's share. Yeah and it was amazing what they did and what she put her name on. People just gave them money just because they wanted to talk to Lucille Ball, you know? But she was a businesswoman.

Scott: [26:43] Oh yeah, dude. You watch interviews with her, she was a badass, dude. She would just call people out, right?

Mike: [26:48] Yeah, I want to say they cancelled Star Trek after like four episodes and she stepped in and said "No, we're going to keep doing it" because she really dug the premise.

Jeff: [26:57] Yeah, everybody goes everybody voted no no no no and she goes "Yep, we're going with it" and they said "Alright". And so she told them she goes "I bet my entire life on this so you need not f*** off basically". No pressure.

Jeff: [27:13] And they were talking just about the yeah but when it and it got to the movies and stuff but yeah I didn't know how bored or how all the stuff like yeah I heard this and I heard that but most of it seems like it was true, a lot of stuff I hadn't misheard and it wasn't exact truth about you know progression of things. You know everybody blamed it on Shatner, it wasn't all Shatner's fault.

Scott: [27:39] Well all that sht all that stuff turns into myth and legend at a certain point, right? Like how many how many shows were that f**ing failed, right? How many shows were mediocre, right? At that same time?

Jeff: [27:52] Yeah, that's what everybody said. They're saying everybody was dying for a seven-year contract. And then people would laugh when they said "Well we turned down this role because we were the the fans said it was because we were too good for the role." And then she's going "Too good for money?" she goes "no never like yeah I'm too good for a role".

Jeff: [28:13] They were talking about death threats. That was the first time a lot of these writers have ever gotten a death threat like there was a rumor... Oh killing off Spock. And that was like Leonard Nimoy's they're saying it was Leonard Nimoy's idea the entire time. So when it it leaked out that they were going to kill Spock...

Scott: [28:35] You can't f**ing kill Spock you sons of btches!

Jeff: [28:39] Dude got a phone call and this is a Jewish gentleman by the way gets a phone call that says "Hey you kill Spock, we kill you" and then they hung up. And he's going "Oh my god" he goes you know "I can't believe how" and he never said they were weird he just said these people are so enthusiastic, passionate about this this creation.

Jeff: [29:05] And he's looking at it straight as you know this is a creation this is a coffee stain on my fing napkin you know what I'm but you know they're threatening me over this fing thing. Yeah, that was cool that was neat. Especially for me.

Mike: [29:26] What was the name of that, Jeff? Sorry.

Jeff: [29:28] 55 Years of Trek: From the Center Chair. And it was voiced over by the lady who did the doctor you know Wesley Crusher's mom.

Scott: [29:40] Oh okay, Crusher's mom. Mom.

Jeff: [29:45] So yeah and they go they deep dive in some of the sh*t. But very more it was more I want to say in-sensual, in-sensual. It was like if if you worked on one show, you know, that's where he pulled his talent from mostly Gene Roddenberry pulled his talent from a couple shows that he was able to direct or able to write you know because he knew that's what he wanted for these characters. So I thought that was kind of cool because I always thought it was kind of a new thing but you kind of see the track, you know they did 55 years so you see the 55 years of family tree and there was a lot of people that were either related or worked on projects and that's how they got the job. Which is also kind of cool because it's always like be nice no matter what role you get and like I said most of these first roles were very tiny, some of them didn't even get on you know public out in public. And he just remembered so yeah you never know who you work for you know always be nice and be on time. Be nice to everybody. Yeah and it wasn't just the actors, it was the people did effects, it was the people that you know all all the above you know to run a production. Yep. So yeah so I thought that was fun I thought that was neat. Made me feel old though.

Jeff: [31:18] Speaking of space, how about that comet A/I?

Scott: [31:22] Oh man, I wasn't ready for this Jeff. I really wasn't. I was doing something else. Um, I so I don't know have you guys been paying attention to this at all?

Mike: [31:31] No, kind of.

Scott: [31:32] Oh man. Alright, well um can we do can we take two minutes and come back and and talk about it? Do you guys mind?

Jeff: [31:41] Nope. No, I mean yeah we can take a break.

Scott: [31:43] Oh okay, I was like oh I'm sorry Jeff.

[31:46 - 31:56] Break - Superman 3 Tonight ABC Sunday Night Movie trailer.

Jeff: [31:57] I'm going to share my screen. Check this out. What are we sharing? Picture of the Atlas.

Scott: [32:05] Oh, okay. Watch stream, let's do it.

Mike: [32:09] Ooh, he's live streaming.

Jeff: [32:12] See if I can make it big. Oh nice, I like this. Here we go.

Scott: [32:19] Right man, so yeah, let's talk about this thing. So um do you guys know you guys I'm sure have have been kind of paying attention to it right so you know it had an anti-tail?

Mike: [32:32] Yep.

Scott: [32:34] Okay, so apparently it has two that are symmetrical in the back and they can't really understand why it has them because they shouldn't be pointed towards the sun still, right? It's also picking up speed to some kind of um what do they call it uh anti-gravitational acceleration or something like non-gravitational acceleration I think is what they call it. So it's picking up speed for some reason that doesn't have to do with it going around the sun or with it outgassing. Um also it's out it's put out so much gas and material that it should be like I don't know some exponential size bigger than it is, right? It's like this little tiny thing just blowing sh*t like millions of miles out into the into space. People were like yeah why how how does it have this much material to do this with?

Scott: [33:38] Also it's brighter than it should be. It it should be getting dimmer, right? But it's just maintaining its its brightness and getting brighter. Um yeah dude, it's it's completely crazy. The one thing that they've said that leads it not into being a comet is they scanned it with the telescopes like the radio telescopes and they're like it's not giving off any radio waves. I'm like okay, you think that if somebody sent some f*** probe here through the f*** through interstellar space and it's going like f*** Mach 12 or whatever the f*** it's going, right? Um they can't block their radio signals? Like oh well they're not smart enough to do that. Like what the f*** dude like what kind of world are we living in right now? It's different than every other comet ever, right? It's been putting out like nickel and like almost no water everything's different. But everybody's telling you it's the same thing. It's the weirdest world we're living in dude. They literally tell you to ignore the information right in front of your face.

Mike: [34:52] Um, have you ever heard the theory that Idiocracy was a documentary from the future?

Scott: [35:01] So you've seen the 1984 where they're like the last thing they tell you is to ignore whatever, right? There's a quote from 1984 that people say all the time. But it's true! And it's not just this. They're doing this with everything right now, right? Like it's everything. They just they just say "No, it's not true. AI made it up". Like what the f***!

Jeff: [35:20] Inflation! Like he's trying to tell everybody inflation doesn't exist, it's not even a real word. What the hell is an inflation?

Scott: [35:30] What he say? Sorry, affordability! Affordability, sorry I'm screaming into my microphone. Affordability is a hoax made up. What the f*** are you talking about?

Jeff: [35:44] Yeah, sorry it's not funny.

Scott: [35:48] No, it's scary because yeah leader of the free world. Yeah, what Chancy? Well the scariest part is you'll go to you'll go somewhere and people will tell you, they'll be like "Affordability's a made-up word" and you're like what the f*** are you a zombie? Sheep, dude.

Jeff: [36:07] I've never used it, I've never used it. One time. Sorry, sorry I went there again. God d*mmit.

Scott: [36:13] Well that is idiosyncrasy or Idiocracy, it is. Idiocracy just got off the bat. Well the only reason I brought that up is because exactly what Scott was discussing. The experts are telling them here's what this is and everyone's like "Oh it's nothing", right? So that movie Don't Look Up was a f**ing hard watch because god dmn it was just too too accurate.

Mike: [36:37] Yeah, it's what plants crave.

Scott: [36:39] Oh well yeah, so this this is literally Idiocracy in the form of what you're discussing right now. Like there's a big meteor coming in and they're like "Hey this could be bad" and everyone's like "No, it's okay". Yeah it'll be fine. And even if it does hit, whatever, like if you're if you're righteous you'll be saved. Like I can hear people saying this sh*t, right? It's the scariest time ever. But then I always think like maybe it's the scariest time ever or maybe I'm just getting old. Because as you get old things get scarier and scarier, right?

Jeff: [37:12] Well yes and no. Yeah I think when you get old things are kind of get get scary like the new technology and stuff. But things are faster. So back in the day I always use Ronald Reagan. He was just as scary as Trump in some ways, but he played it took time for things like if he had a brain fart, it took time for him to do a memo, to get the guy on the phone, to get the guy on the other phone. You know what I mean? And so things had time to simmer. Yeah. I think about this same thing through through Bush, right? Like I remember 9/11, I remember the Bush years, right? But he was a human though. He was like, "Oh that sounds awful, let's not do that, okay? Okay." We're not supposed to talk politics, god d*mmit.

Mike: [37:58] Mike, you were going to say something. I know I talked over you brother.

Mike: [38:02] All I said was that's um I've actually been been researching where similar to what you said like is it really scariest times or or is it something else and it's um detachment like trying to get away from that sht. And I was like I just want to buy a big chunk of land somewhere and just tell all my friends like "Hey we can all live here. Come out, build a house, whatever. We'll have good neighbors and we'll stay out of the f**ing world".

Jeff: [38:33] Scott, Chancy says it's getting scarier for sure. Lots of boundaries being pushed. That's a good way to put it. That's how I feel too, man. But also maybe we I don't know I can't help but feel that it it has something to do with our age.

Scott: [38:51] And you know how old the United States is? We we're celebrating the 250th. Empires last like 200 years, man. Good ones. That sh*t changes too, right? Like I don't know man, maybe I don't know.

Jeff: [39:08] No, that's... I'd kill to go back to the 80s, right? You know, who would have thunk it? Who would have thought that you'd be looking back on the 80s and the early 90s because I go early 90s not late 90s. But it was a cold war, crazy Republicans were in charge, you know, but it was at least the bus ran on time, you know that type of thing.

Scott: [39:27] Alright, I got something that's not podcast related. Um, do you guys remember last time Mike we talked... maybe it wasn't last podcast, maybe it was the time before, but we talked about the um the bars on the ice?

Mike: [39:44] Yep.

Scott: [39:45] Um, so I posted a video in our chat. Give that a little give that a watch real quick and then maybe describe it and tell describe it to people and then my question to you is when you go out on the ice would you be willing to do this?

Mike: [40:04] Oh yeah, they did that on our... they do that on our pond.

Scott: [40:07] Do they? Like close to your house?

Mike: [40:09] Yeah. Describe it, will you describe it to people?

Jeff: [40:13] I'd be like get off my pond, what the hell is that? Oh that way you could have your whole move your whole to where you want.

Mike: [40:24] So this is a not uncommon, I'm going to mute that because it's loud. This is a not uncommon thing, um especially on the quieter smaller lakes. Um yep, exactly, so they'll carve out a circle, throw in the trolling motor, and then they'll just have a rotating bar, right? And they'll have people come out, they'll do barbecues on them and sh*t and you just got to be careful. That's sped up.

Scott: [40:46] Just so people know, the ice in... like they they cut a circle and then and then they rotate... well hey he eats a carp. Bro! We were all talking right we were all talking about how carp is trash fish and nobody eats them. This guy smashes it, he eatin' he loves it.

Jeff: [41:01] Well he's also floating around on a piece of ice in a big circle so I guess he's got that right there.

Scott: [41:06] I think this is Kazakhstan or Russia, which might be the same place. Eastern European.

Mike: [41:14] Yeah, yeah. But um okay that makes sense I was thinking... he cuts a big um how big is that circle? 50 feet? 100 feet?

Scott: [41:20] Yeah, probably probably a good 50 to 75 feet around. And then spins it in a circle the whole time. So I was thinking when you put your um when you put your pole in the ice and you spin it, it's like trolling. You're like trolling in a circle. That's exactly what you're doing, right?

Jeff: [41:39] Cool. I love this idea and I want to do it, I want to do it so bad. But then also I'm scared that it would melt and I would be stuck in the middle and someone would have to come save... 12-year-old saved 45-year-old man. Boy scouts.

Mike: [41:53] So I mean that happens, right? Of course it does because there's people like me. Well so what's funny is like especially early in the year when they're just starting to the lakes are just starting to freeze over or later in the season after they call it ice out. Um they have deadlines based on where you're at in the state on when you have to have your ice houses and stuff off of the ice. Um like the permanent structures and sht. So they do ice thickness will support X amount of weight, right? So pretty much if you want to drive your truck on there and pull your ice house out there you need about a foot. Um but they're saying it's like 2 to 4 inches for a human, 4 to 6 for a snowmobile, stuff like that. Um but they'll they'll tell everyone you know oh ice out's in two weeks everyone get your permanent structures off and then like in this video he's got it's a a lot of them are done by clamshell but it's just like a pop-up tent um with a with a false floor so you can drill your holes you can sit in the tent a lot of them will have like heaters and sht in there. Um but they'll bring in their ice houses because the ice is too thin but they'll take out those tents and set them out there.

Scott: [43:14] Nuts. That ice didn't it doesn't look that thick to me. It only looks a few inches thick to me. But also I don't know I don't live there you know what I mean?

Mike: [43:22] Yeah well yeah so he's probably sitting on less than 4 inches. Like I said it's 4 inches is is where you get into the snowmobile depth. So he seems comfortable. Yeah I mean that that probably looks about 6 inches there.

Scott: [43:39] Yeah f*** that I wouldn't do it. Changed my mind right now. I'm like no f*** that. No needs to be deeper.

Mike: [43:46] So it's funny because like the rescue people and sht um I was trying to figure out I'm like you know what what do they do when ice is too thin and they got to go out there? They use air boats a lot, like the sht they use in Louisiana for the Everglades and sh*t. That makes sense. Yeah yeah. Um and then some of some of the places around here will have uh like hovercraft type vehicle.

Scott: [44:08] That makes sense yeah because they could probably just shoot across the top really. I mean um the ice probably beats the sh*t out of the bottom of the their stuff.

Mike: [44:17] Right, right, yeah but they can still get around it and over it, right? Yep. That's cool. Yeah man I saw that and immediately thought of you. I was like dude.

Mike: [44:31] It's interesting times. They have the the lake behind the house um we have a couple of families that they'll go out there and they well clear off and smooth out and um they'll take water hoses out there so that they can add water and stuff no they'll um do a hand Zambonis but they do little hockey rinks out there for the kids to to play.

Scott: [44:53] Yeah I've seen videos of people doing that in their backyard on their um like their cement or whatever right? Or wherever.

Mike: [45:00] Oh they just do it on the lake though. Oh yeah yeah. I don't know. Do you ever take the truck out? You ever get out on a lake frozen lake with the truck?

Mike: [45:11] Absolutely not. No. I have... Why? What the f*** man? Why? You want to know why? Like no sht, the first time I ever came to Minnesota in winterish um it was it was January, we were moving out here, we stopped at my in-laws and on the way they live on a lake in between two lakes and we drove around and I looked and I'm like "Why is the bed of that truck in the air?" and yeah, that truck had driven out on the ice and just went nose first in there. And I was like, oh, why would you drive on that? She's like, "Oh look out there" and you look out in the middle and it's like holy sht there's trailers and campers and four-wheelers and sh*t everywhere. I'm like, uh no. No, not happening. Nope.

Jeff: [45:55] We kind of have that down here too well in Eastern Washington where the the river would lower depending on how the dams were and what was going on so you'd have these sandbars basically out there people would drive up but you had to watch the water because you'd get cut off so f***ing quick.

Scott: [46:13] Well you see that on the coast if you go to the coast you see people driving up and down the you know well yeah you just see them driving up and down the you know out basically because you can if there's access um you can drive up up you know up the beach in Washington there's no I don't think there's any law against it or at least everywhere I've been it seems like there's no law against it I don't know everybody's doing it. Um but I'm sure they get stuck, right? There's certain spots where you don't even want to be as a person. I'm sure cars get stuck in there there's big giant warning signs that are like yeah we're not coming to tow you so drive past this point you're f***ed, right? So I'm sure people have done it.

Mike: [46:58] Oh absolutely. I actually I watch a there's a channel on YouTube I watch called Matt's Off-road Recovery and they they've got like custom-built sht yeah and they're always rescuing people off of the off of the freaking sandy beaches and sht.

Scott: [47:14] They have that one I think it's in California it might be Mexico uh where um have you guys seen that where you can't um there's big warning signs to not walk down it because a giant hill that goes right I mean it literally it's like a a sandy cliff that goes right to the ocean and they're like the tide comes in and um it's like five grand to come rescue you. Yeah have you guys seen this? Oh I I'm I'm sure there's tons of people that do this um every year.

Mike: [47:50] So they do that for Mount Everest too, right? Like if you if you go past this point it's here's how much it costs to to come pull you out so make sure you're prepared.

Scott: [48:02] Dude have you seen the garbage and stuff they have on Everest? Yeah the videos of garbage and well f*** dead people on that mother f***er. Yeah it's nuts man. The hubris of man. Here's a place we shouldn't be, let's go anyways.

Mike: [48:19] Okay, have you ever been out of the Northern Hemisphere?

Scott: [48:23] You mean like to Europe?

Mike: [48:25] Northern Hemisphere. Have you ever crossed the equator?

Scott: [48:29] Um, no. That's what she said! I'm going to say yes. I don't think so. No.

Jeff: [48:36] Jeff, you have? Maybe I don't know let me check.

Scott: [48:40] Jeff definitely has. Maybe. Cause I've been yeah I've been south like Mexico past Mexico stuff like that.

Mike: [48:48] Oh well the equator runs through Brazil. No that's that's not past the equator.

Scott: [48:56] What about Jamaica? No that's that's not past the equator.

Mike: [49:01] What about Brazil? How about Brazil? What about Brazil?

Scott: [49:03] Maybe it might be which part of Brazil?

Jeff: [49:06] Jamaica. Jamaica.

Mike: [49:08] No Jamaica's north though. Jamaica's in the Caribbean.

Jeff: [49:10] What about the other side of Jamaica? No I'm kidding just sec. Below the equator. Alright let's see. Of all those that are listed I'm going to say no I have not. Probably.

Scott: [49:31] That was a bad question Mike that was not a good one at all. I expected better from you.

Mike: [49:37] Hey so like talking to people especially where I work and I'm assuming is because Midwest but like you'll ask them like have you ever have you ever left the United States? Like oh no or yeah I went to Canada like okay have you ever been anywhere else? No. There's a there's a reason that the close-mindedness of Americans exists and it's I seriously think that it's it's lack of experience, right? Because it's not personal to anyone, right? You don't actually...

Scott: [50:18] No you're right man. You're 100 percent right. I I am not to interrupt you I understand I 100 percent understand where you're going but I don't I don't necessarily think it is even outside of the states, right? Like I feel like you see that even... dude I went home f*** now I want to shut this off and just talk personal. Um but like I no you're good. Um I was talking to um a relative a younger relative probably mid-20s, right? Um I was going home for some personal things whatever and um he's like "Oh where do you live?" and I was like "Washington". And he goes "Ugh how do you like it there?" Like um he was disgusted that I just lived in Washington, right? And I was like "Dude I love it". I'm like "You don't even understand" because he's a big outdoorsy person, right? I was like "Bro we have some of the best fishing, there's hunting, um the gun laws are are pretty dmn liberal you'd be surprised" and when I mean liberal in the best way not in the fing f*ing liberal... I mean, right? I was like um "Do we have all like you would be super surprised". He's like "Yeah right". And I'm like I think what you're seeing is through...

Jeff: [51:46] You should ask him what do you think it is? Yeah.

Scott: [51:48] Well he has no idea because he's never left Nevada, you know what I mean? Right, and if he has like the farthest he's been is like Idaho or Utah, right? Um and that's exactly what you're saying. Um but I don't even think it's even getting out of your state. Like just find a fing a city in the state you live in and go spend a week in a city, right? And and you'll be surprised at how how much that will change your mind of people, right? When you have to live around other people you you understand that they're just fing people just like you are, right? And in general everybody's cool. And then every once in a while there's a d*ck and there's there's nothing you can do about crazy. Like crazy's going to come. That's just who it is hey. Like everybody's got to guard against crazy.

Mike: [52:36] Right. And insane? Everybody's got to guard against crazy in the... they're kind of the same thing let's be honest.

Mike: [52:43] I was just going to say why are you separating?

Jeff: [52:49] Scott, Chancy says that I have a friend who was just in Elko. Elko god d*mn right! How long was he there and what'd he do? Did he go to the Star? Dude! Where do his parents live? Especially if they live near Elko then now I have to know.

Mike: [53:08] I was just going to say like Carson is it Wells or Spring Creek? There you go, what! Cool. Yeah man um dude I I might be related to him. Yikes. I'm just kidding I'm not related to anybody there. But it is a small community. Why is C-note dude do you want to talk C-note? We can drop you in here man.

Jeff: [53:36] He said he was there and I got all excited. F*** yeah you did! As you should we should all go there.

Mike: [53:42] You know what's really fed me up when I moved to Minnesota is I live just north of Elko. The shtty Elko. And way off about four and a half hours in the middle of nowhere is a little town called Ely. Like wait did I go back to Nevada what the f* is going on here?

Jeff: [53:59] Yeah me and my brother we spend some time in Ely eating eating and watching Zambonis. In Ely Nevada or Ely...? Yeah like which one? Oh no yeah Ely Nevada yeah I'm sorry.

Scott: [54:11] There's quite a few brothels there in Ely Jeff.

Jeff: [54:14] Yep, visit them all Scott visit them all. I said yep. Wait did they no they didn't! What? They are now.

Scott: [54:23] Oh I didn't even remember a brothel in Ely. It might have said McDonald's on the front but brothel in the back. Do you remember so the hotel right we'd stay at the hotel right across the street was that other place where we never really went there to service the jailhouse? Yep. Behind the jailhouse there was two brothels.

Mike: [54:43] Yikes, I I didn't even notice that.

Scott: [54:46] Yeah yeah okay Mike like you weren't there. Come on. Dude I stayed in that hotel way more times than I wanted to. Yeah you did I remember I was there. Yeah you and your best friend Jimmy Mr. Oinge. I know you remember that right? I do I tell people that all the time I know Jeff's like what the f*** are we talking about? So we worked with this guy who um he wouldn't say orange he would say oinge. Oinge right? And you'd be like dude you know it's orange right? And he'd be like oinge. And you'd be like how do you spell it? And he would spell it like that. Like how did he spell it Mike? O-i-n-g-e or some sh*t like that like what?

Jeff: [55:40] Who have you been listening to? You've been listening to the Grit City Podcast. Check them out at gritcitypodcast.com. Mike drop.

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