Daniel (00:10) Dave! David Gary Wood (00:10) Ooh, the power, the power. I've got the intro today, Daniel. Daniel (00:15) I am completely at your mercy. David Gary Wood (00:17) Yeah, let's let's so I'm going to do a thing. I'm going to go straight into the intro. And here we go. So, hey, welcome to Waiting for Review, a show about the majestic indie developer lifestyle. Join your scintillating hosts to hear about a tiny slice of their thrilling lives. I'm Dave, a recovering Vibe Coder, and I'm here today with Daniel. Daniel (00:22) Okay. You David Gary Wood (00:43) bicycle mudflap avoider. Join us while we're waiting for a review. Daniel (00:46) You ⁓ I am a bicycle mudflap avoider. Like I sent you a picture earlier of my butt very much covered in a vertical stripe because there was no mudflap. So my butt was the mudflap. David Gary Wood (00:57) You did, you did. No, no, but I totally understand because your bike will not be modified with mud flaps as well as it may well be. Yeah. Daniel (01:10) Well, I think they have these clip-on mudflaps. So maybe I should get one of those. usually I don't want to go out biking when it's shitty weather, but I live in a city now that is very, that has very like moist weather and fall is starting and I feel motivated to still go on the bike every now and then. So I don't know. I might. David Gary Wood (01:14) Maybe. Maybe. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you might. And then the other alternative is to just accept that those clothes are going to get to that state and go, obviously they'll go straight in the wash anyway. So maybe, yeah, it could be worse. Anyways, yes, here we are. It's the show. So how have you been doing, dude? Daniel (01:41) or that yeah, I have a laundry machine. Like, I will be fine. I am a bit exhausted actually. So I am, I've been traveling. So over the weekend, I went back to my hometown of Augsburg to celebrate Lisa's 40th birthday. Lisa is my co-founder, also the co-founder of Telemetry Deck and my best friend. And so of course I wanted to be there. We had a really nice party with fantastic people and David Gary Wood (02:10) Aww. Daniel (02:14) just various like bubbly drinks and it was really nice. And then I stayed for a few more days, had food with various like telemetry deck employees and also with friends and with people who are both. And yeah, it was very fun, but I am exhausted like because the hotel was not very good. Like I went for the cheapest possible hotel basically and... David Gary Wood (02:18) That's awesome. Daniel (02:36) Somehow I couldn't sleep. Like the bed was bad and the room's air conditioning wasn't, like you couldn't really turn it off and like it decreased the humidity in the air to basically zero. So like I, like over the last six or six days or so I cumulatively got maybe four hours of sleep or feels like at least. David Gary Wood (02:56) ⁓ did that, humidity being basically zero, that means that like left you really dry. Yeah. Daniel (03:02) right. And so you're lying in that really uncomfortable bed and you're like, my nose is dry. My throat is dry. Like I'm really so thirsty, but I'm so full of water. And it's like, and then also I had like all these like early in the morning appointments, like our meetings. And so it's like you lie in bed. It's like two in the morning and you're thinking, I really need to sleep. I really need to sleep. I really need to sleep now because tomorrow morning I need to get up and you know, David Gary Wood (03:12) you Yep. Daniel (03:28) ⁓ so yeah, that wasn't really pleasant. I kind of solved it by keeping the window open at night for the last few nights, which felt a bit strange because of what I was at. I was in the bottom floor and the window kind of right opened right up into the parking lot where people like were hanging around sometimes, but I could breathe at least. also like once I actually emailed my coworker. David Gary Wood (03:35) Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah. Daniel (03:52) at four in the morning and told him I won't be able to make this the eight eight eight a.m. meeting tomorrow. And they were really nice about it. David Gary Wood (03:56) Ha Ouch. Yeah, I am currently still awake and desiccated. I'm not going to make it. Daniel (04:07) Dislocated such a nice work David Gary Wood (04:08) Yes. but at least you got to see everybody. That's lovely. hey. Daniel (04:11) Yeah. So that was nice. And yeah, I came, I came back just about 24 hours ago. my train got canceled. my train got canceled, but, I, I kind of got in, got a different train. Like had to switch trains a few times while crossing all of Germany basically. But I got here at the same time, like, slightly earlier actually than the original train. And I had like. David Gary Wood (04:16) Rehydrates it. Daniel (04:32) seats on all the trains and were like kind of comfortable so like I'm not too mad actually. David Gary Wood (04:37) Yeah, yeah, that's not a bad, bad overall, just the hassle of getting on and off. Hey, if I know Lisa sometimes listens to the show. So Lisa, if you're listening, happy birthday. Daniel (04:49) That's a... Yes. David Gary Wood (04:51) Yeah. ⁓ but have I been doing? Well, we can get into what I've been doing dev-wise in a minute, I guess, but I'm doing okay. Otherwise, lots of life going on outside of indie app development and outside of my quote unquote day job. But. Daniel (04:53) ⁓ how have you been doing? David Gary Wood (05:14) A few things going on in our house, actually, in terms of we're looking at fixing a few things because we bought this house two years ago. There's plenty of things to fix and it's an older house. yeah, in fact, I will after this call, I've got somebody coming around to check out. We've got these Daniel (05:17) Mm-hmm. David Gary Wood (05:34) I don't know how to describe it. It's called a sunroom here. I don't know if that phrase translates elsewhere, but it's like a conservatory sort of room. It's but it's. it it's part of the house, though, right? It's like a room and it's got and it's, you know, built into the house, but the floor is just over concrete, so it's not floorboarded underneath in the same way. Daniel (05:44) ⁓ you mean a winter garden. David Gary Wood (06:01) ⁓ And then the roof has got like these plexiglass panels over the tops. You can see all the way out. It's great for when like the moon comes over and stuff. I can sit in there and see things like that. But the panels themselves have got cracks in. So I've got people coming around to quote for that. I have no idea how much it's going to cost. I hope it's not too expensive. Daniel (06:01) Mm-hmm. Mmm. Yeah. David Gary Wood (06:24) but we're making that room into a really lovely little space. And my wife likes to sit on her laptop and work in there. So I'm like, I have the home office. She doesn't. So this feels like the right balance to make that room really lovely. And then it's a nice place for her to work in. yeah, a few projects like that going on at the moment. And yeah, anyway. Daniel (06:24) you Fantastic. David Gary Wood (06:45) middle aged guy talking about home run. I was I'll move on. Yeah. Have you have you had a chance to check out iOS 26 because that's landed in the last few days. Daniel (06:56) yeah, like the, like the one thing about this hotel that was really good was the wifi somehow. And so I did download iOS 26 on my phone. I already had Mac iOS 26 beta on, on my Mac because somehow I wanted to try it out and I was somehow fearless, even though this Mac is like literally the machine with which I make money. So I don't know what I was thinking, but. David Gary Wood (07:01) Mm-hmm. Daniel (07:22) It was a completely like problem free. Anyway, iOS 26. So first impression, no, have like, as I said, I did run the Mac OS 26 beta for a week or so before I upgraded to the release candidate now, but I haven't actually touched a liquid glass design device before that. So that was my first. David Gary Wood (07:25) Hmm. Had you ran the beta by the way, Daniel, because was it literally your first impression? Mm-hmm. Me either. Daniel (07:47) my first real contact. And so I can't really speak on like how like the design changed in the betas. Like the thing is because I'm not writing any iOS apps these days, I don't have a reason to really run the betas. And also because I'm slightly chilled on Apple compared to like Daniel from 10 years ago, I'm also not personally motivated to really run the betas. And so I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna... David Gary Wood (07:49) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Daniel (08:12) let the, like everyone fix, like prepare their apps and fix the bugs and everything and then I'll in at the end. So yeah, first impression, it actually looks really impressive. Like I don't know if it will age well. Like I have the feeling it will not age well. I have the feeling it will be very dated very quickly, but Liquid Glass looks so damn cool. Like it is, really damn impressive. Like every time I see something underneath a liquid glass pane, like I have to like scroll and then scroll around and like just like marvel at just like how much computing power is just, it's just being used at this. And I would love like, I think I would love someone to really explain how to write a shader that does that. what goes into, but what are the different steps? Like what are the, like, because you can't like ray trace that of course. like there needs to be like there, probably some shortcuts or whatever. Like I would love like a ⁓ YouTube video. Like sometimes I do, I watch these graphics programming videos on YouTube ⁓ about like gaming programming and shader programming, whatever. I would love to see like someone like Isarola or something like just, just like, like do this like very in depth, like how would, how would they do such a thing? So anyway, liquid glass, really cool. David Gary Wood (09:14) Yeah. Yes. Daniel (09:29) ⁓ feature wise, I have two features that I really like. one is automix. Like if you are using Apple music, your phone can now, mix the, like the end of one song into the start of another. And it is surprisingly good. Like it's not as good as a proper DJ, obviously. And it doesn't look deep into the song. So if you have a song with a long intro, it might get the BPM wrong. David Gary Wood (09:46) Mm-hmm. Daniel (09:51) But it has like, like every like most of the time it is just like your music kind of flows into each other and you don't notice the changing of the songs as much, which is kind of nice. And every now and then, like the thing produces like a genius transition between like two completely unrelated songs and it just fits really well. yeah, Automix is something that like I turned it on and I haven't turned it off. David Gary Wood (10:13) I've been enjoying that too. Yeah. Daniel (10:15) ⁓ yeah. And the other is spatial photos, like, ⁓ basically on every in your photos app and every, on every photo, there's a button that says convert this to a spatial photo. And it basically, I think it uses like the depth, info that is in the photo plus AI to make it spatial, which means that if you tilt your phone, like it looks like one of those rotoscope 3d movies that are kind of like made out of flat planes, but they're slightly like in front of each other. David Gary Wood (10:29) Yes. Yes. Daniel (10:40) And it's, it is surprisingly cute. Like I don't see myself using it all the time, but actually I made, I made a tech talk about this feature. like I was just like sitting, sitting at breakfast and I was like, Oh, I'm just going to, just going to take a screen recording of how that works. Also on the, on the tech talks, got like 20,000, 20,000 views. I linked it in the show notes. Like, give it, give it like 20,000 at first view, please. David Gary Wood (10:57) Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's, yeah. Daniel (11:07) Um, so yeah. David Gary Wood (11:08) Awesome. I'll check it out. You've just told me about a feature I didn't know about. I've not actually discovered that feature so far. So I will be checking it out. Daniel (11:16) I kind of over it, just stumbled on it just by accident. I don't think it's very useful. And it's probably a gimmick. It's probably one of those, like iOS has so many features that you use when they come out and then never again. And I think it's one of those features, but it's still, it's a nice gimmick. David Gary Wood (11:20) Yeah. Well, Yes. Well, I look at that and I go, that's not fully a feature for the phone. That's kind of a feature for, you know, things like vision, vision pro, vision OS potentially. So it's an interesting progression. I sort of feel like I could imagine in a few years time, rather than you have to activate it. It's just the thing that's, that's kind of there. Daniel (11:44) Ahem. David Gary Wood (11:57) Not that you would use it all the time, like, you know, flicking into that mode of visualization will just be a button rather than a big feature, or it'll be something that if you're in the Vision Pro or whatever the device is by that time, you'll have that option to kind of have a view of your photo that has that depth that you can kind of look around in a bit. Daniel (12:23) It looks kind of flat though, because it's very obvious that the individual layers are like cardboard cutouts basically. But it's still kind of nice. I like it. And also the technology to separate the different layers is really, really good. it doesn't, I assume, without knowing any details, I assume that it does use the depth map. David Gary Wood (12:25) Yeah. Yep. Yes. Daniel (12:46) as a help, even if it doesn't have a depth map because the photo is too old, it will still produce a surprisingly good result. And I also feel like the same technology is also being used for the lock screen, like where you can now make your clock ludicrously large, which I immediately did because it looks awesome. And then the bottom of the numbers were kind of high between whatever's in the lock screen image. David Gary Wood (12:47) I would hope so. Yeah. Yep. Daniel (13:11) So that is also kind of cool. That's probably my third most favorite feature or my new cool feature number three. Only thing is I have my phone set to circle through photos. I told it to show like, I don't know, cities, vistas and pets. And so I get lots of Mimiet Momo content, which is nice because it still reminds me of them. But somehow it will not hide... David Gary Wood (13:28) Yes. Daniel (13:37) It will not hide the clock behind elements in the photo there. Like if I actually open up the editor and like open up the picture in, or like if I open up the lock screen editor and kind of drag it around, it will actually ⁓ end up, so it will do the detection then, but it won't do it before. So I don't know if this is a battery saving measure because it would have to do the thing like... David Gary Wood (13:58) Probably. Yeah. Daniel (13:59) Because it will load like 10 new photos per day, right? So would like have to run on these 10 photos every day. But like on the other hand, like do that at midnight when you're charging phone, like you're smart. David Gary Wood (14:09) Yeah, I don't know. It could just be something that's been missed in that part of what it does. But I feel... Daniel (14:15) Yes, maybe. Tim Apple, I will give you a gold bar if you add this feature. Yes. David Gary Wood (14:22) Golden apple. As long as it's not like, you know, some gaudy giant golden phone thing or whatever. Daniel (14:29) That's what I was talking about. So yeah, how about you? How about, do you have ⁓ cool observations about the new, not so new iOS? David Gary Wood (14:31) Yeah. How about me? Yeah. So. It was interesting kind of going into a new OS cold without having ran the betas. I mean, I've kind of shot myself in the foot with that. I'll tell you about that in a bit, but my app has got a few glitches on iOS 26. So I'm going to have to roll out an update. But you know, I've been, like you said, it's sort of cooler with Apple in terms of the Daniel (14:43) Mm-hmm. David Gary Wood (15:03) the vibes this year. And we've spoken about that a lot on the show earlier on in the year. You know, was quite frustrated with some of their behavior and blah, blah, blah. But like, I just didn't want to install a beta this year. I was like, I normally run the beta on my iPad. I never put it on my phone because I use my phone far too much to have it mess up with the beta. Um, But I just didn't this year. I just didn't want to go through the bother. And so it's really nice actually to have the quote unquote regular user experience. So yeah, it landed, I installed. I usually go first on these things in our household and then I can kind of inform my family of what to watch out for. And I didn't like it. My first impression in the first sort of hour was like, What on earth have they done to the edges of all my icons with this sort of rim around the edge? Like, that looks, I didn't like it. I'm now in a space where I don't mind it, but I think that's going to be one of the key things that looks really dated. You're saying about things looking dated with this potentially. And I think that's going to be the thing. Like you'll see it's on. Daniel (15:57) Mm-hmm. David Gary Wood (16:11) TV shows or whatever, and you'll be like, oh, yes, that must be 2025 to 2026. It'll mark it out. Daniel (16:18) It's the Windows Vista of iPhones. David Gary Wood (16:20) Yeah, yeah, which means, you know, I was 27 or whatever is probably going to be really quite good because that was what happened after Vista. Windows 7 was a big improvement. that's been like the one of the only things that I've really disliked everything else I've really loved. I'm kind of in your camp. Like I love the the glass effects. I like the I noticed it with the toggle buttons when they kind of just go blip blip you know like like a water drop almost when you toggle between something. And it's not earth shattering right. It's not like my god this is you know. Daniel (16:35) Mm. David Gary Wood (16:53) best thing since sliced bread but it's just like no that's interesting that's fun and I actually like having a sense of fun in the things I use so I've enjoyed that the kind of gotten used to some of the curved edges on things like the keyboard I think that the photos app actually seems to make a bit more sense now I wasn't very keen on recent updates to the photos app in previous years But somehow it's feeling a little easier to navigate. So I like that. No standout wow feature beyond just that sort of feeling of like, yeah, this is fun. This is okay. I did notice we've got the previews app from Mac OS ported to iOS. You have a new app now, probably lurking on your home screen. Yeah. Daniel (17:42) yeah. I had like, I don't know, five or four or five new apps on my home screen. was like, what is this? Like cluttering all the space here. David Gary Wood (17:49) Yeah. Just so you know, they're there. But no, so they've integrated games as well. So you've got games and you can see Apple Arcade if you've got it. I think games that you've installed otherwise from the App Store there. Daniel (18:04) Apple was like, you want multiple app stores? Sure, here's the app store, here's the app store but with games. David Gary Wood (18:11) Yeah, where we can surface Apple Arcade. But no, that's kind of fun as well, because I do have games on my phone. I don't tend to use that many, but I, you know, when I go to reach for a game, I'm not going to go searching through all of my installed apps. So like that, that solves a bit of a problem. Yeah, so that's fun. But yeah, beyond. Beyond all of these sort of minor things, I think it just adds up to being a pretty solid experience. I feel like, like I say, the next iteration is probably going to be the one where I'm like, hell yeah, this is rocking. And I am kind of. Daniel (18:45) Mm-hmm. David Gary Wood (18:49) I've kind of gotten used to the edges around the icons and things. I won't miss them when they go or become something else, but I don't hate them now. It's more just like, yeah, okay. That's how it looks. ⁓ Yeah. Daniel (19:00) I'm the same except for watchOS. I don't know why, but like the whole liquid glass and everything has like pronounced borders and everything is like a bit over the top visually. On watchOS, it pees me off. David Gary Wood (19:13) Mm-hmm. Daniel (19:16) It pisses me off. I don't know why. Every time I look at my watch, I want to curse. It is just too much. There's not much space on this screen on the watch. Why fill it with... Right. Every time I need to enter my passcode or whatever, there's so much space. It's just filled with edges. I don't know. David Gary Wood (19:25) No, there's even less on mine. I got the smaller one. Yeah, but you need that. That's so you upgrade to the ⁓ the new watches, right? Where they've got just a little bit more space. ⁓ Daniel (19:43) You the new 10-inch Apple Watch. David Gary Wood (19:47) Crikey, yeah, it fills your entire arm. Daniel (19:50) But speaking of which, are you going to buy any of the new hardware? David Gary Wood (19:54) I might be. Yeah, I wasn't going to, but the new iPhone Pro, the orange color is definitely calling me. I know I'm sort of into mines, whether I'll actually do it in terms of that color. So let me explain when I upgrade my phone. What happens in our household is what I refer to as the circle of life. And my wife tends to get Daniel (20:01) telemetry deck colored. David Gary Wood (20:18) the one I've had and then one of the kids will get her hand me down and then whatever's at the end of the chain I usually have as a test device, which is really handy. So my wife has been coveting my iPhone 16 Pro's cameras and was like, you know, if you upgrade, then I could have your old phone. So I'm like, well, if you twist my arm. So I might be, but we'll see. The pre-orders have kind of sold out here in New Zealand and I'm giving it another week to sort of think about and do, but I'm pretty set that I'm going to get it. So, yeah, that will be awesome. I'll definitely appreciate the latest cameras. I always do. Certainly with the sort of apps and things I like to make as well. There's always something that I can explore with whatever is new in terms of the camera stack and capabilities. That's the rationalization. Really, I want the new shiny. yeah, not the air. I want the cameras and that the air's only got Daniel (21:23) But the pro, not the air. David Gary Wood (21:28) that one fusion camera and no lidar. So I'll be like, I'll be like going backwards for me. I can't do it. Daniel (21:34) Like it has a compromise camera anyway, like why not make it thin all the way around? Just like get rid of the iconic plateau. David Gary Wood (21:37) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I, I dunno, I can see some of what they're trying to do with the air, but it's not for me. I'll get frustrated with that camera immediately. So, ⁓ yeah, I want the chunky phone. Daniel (21:52) You want the chunky phone. Like for years people said, ⁓ no Apple, just give me the chunky, like make it chunky, like make it big and just like ugly and give me the battery life. And I think that's what they did. I'm not saying it's ugly. I'm saying it's chunky, like both of the pros, right? I mean, of course the Max more, like I'm a Max phone person or I've been using Max phones the last few years, which aren't, and I like them. David Gary Wood (22:03) Well that's the Pro Max or whatever right? No. Yeah. Chonky. Yeah, I'm... I'm a regular, I'm a regular pro size person at the moment. Like as my, as I pull through the rest of middle age, that might change because I'm certainly finding that bigger text can be more useful for me and a Max will probably help. But the regular profile fits really nice in my hand. So that helps me use it well. But I said before I was in two minds about the color. And the reason for that is the hand-me-down process, right? Will my wife really want the bright orange phone or would the silver be better for how she likes a phone? I don't know. So I'm sort of looking and going, what's the option to get that's going to be good for the circle of life? Daniel (23:01) Everyone likes bright orange. David Gary Wood (23:03) Yeah, I don't think she hates it. So we'll see. honestly, I think I'm going to end up with the bright orange phone because it's calling me Daniel. They know what they're doing. But yeah, so that will be fun. And I'm looking forward to that potential and. Other than that though, no, no other upgrades. My watch is still working. I don't use it in a way that means I need the latest watch for any particular feature. and, my iPad's still rocking on and I don't use that enough to warrant an immediate upgrade. and, ⁓ yeah, did we, did we even get Mac updates with this one? We didn't, right? Like I'm so out of the loop. Yeah. Daniel (23:40) We did not, because yeah, I'm kind of like, so my, my computer is kind of at the end of its, its rope a little bit. And so I was like, ⁓ when, when a new Mac's coming out? But no, none are coming out. I'm kind of in the same boat. Like I don't want the new phone. German says January. So probably announcement towards the end of the year and then start with here. David Gary Wood (23:48) Mm-hmm ⁓ When will that be? What's the rumour mill for the Max? Mm-hmm. Daniel (24:02) So that's what I read somewhere. I'm kind of out of the loop on Apple Rumors. ⁓ Yeah. So, right. David Gary Wood (24:09) Yeah, January, February feels about right, I guess, because if it's any sooner, won't even have been a year since the last refresh, right? And that sort of feels a bit speedy. Yeah. Daniel (24:22) What does the Macromers Buyers guys say? So anyway, to fill you in on the back story. So I am using a M1 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro 32 gigs of RAM. And so, like this is a cool machine, like still very capable, especially from the performance. The problem is that the machine itself is kind of falling apart a little bit. usually very gentle with my laptops, but somehow this one has a few gremlins. It might be because it wasn't as gentle. I've been traveling a lot and I've been using it just so, much. It also had a logic board replacement at some point. And so it might be that, like it might be like some connectors frame or whatever, but like sometimes when I'm plugging it into charge, David Gary Wood (25:01) Mm-hmm. Right. Daniel (25:12) either via MagSafe or via USB, it just won't charge or the connection will be kind of flaky. But then I plug in something else like via USB for data and the connection will be stable. like, I don't know what it is. I get reboots every now and then and the battery is kind of like, it's still okay. Like I had all the magic thing on that kind of tries to not charge your battery to full. If you're using it for a long time on charge. And that seems to have worked pretty well because the battery is still okay. But yeah, like I've been, I've been feeling the, not the need yet, but there's like an inkling of what would a new computer look like? And so it seems like, like nothing is set in stone yet, but it seems like this year is going to be the year where telemetry is profitable. we're like, at least we're not going bankrupt this year. It seems like, let's hope. David Gary Wood (25:48) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Daniel (26:01) And so I was like, was, was feeling like, maybe, maybe I do want a new computer. over the last few weeks, I had a few looks at what Apple is selling these days. And I've been kind of underwhelmed. Like I was, I was like, not look, no, was not looking at Mac books closely for four years, basically. And I was expecting a huge jump in performance. David Gary Wood (26:15) Hmm. Daniel (26:23) So I was kind of expecting, huh, maybe I can just get an air because the air will obviously, like four generations later, be as fast as my pro. But there's a GitHub repository where they benchmark Xcode build times. And Xcode build times is a very good benchmark for me because I do build a very large project regularly, which is the telemetry API project in Swift. David Gary Wood (26:37) Yes. Daniel (26:46) but also like other stuff that I'm doing is also coding related. it's also a good benchmark for that, I feel like. I kind of do a little bit of blundering or whatever, but like that is not something where I really measure the performance, right? So I looked at that, I looked at that and it was kind of disappointing, especially the, the I... David Gary Wood (27:01) No, it just needs to get there. Yeah. Daniel (27:12) The the MacBook Airs, the problem with those is they have good performance for a while, but they throttle because they don't have any fans in them, which is good for the silence and everything. But you can't continuously give them workload. It just can't sustain it, which is fine. But so basically an iPad, an a MacBook Air is out for me. David Gary Wood (27:24) That's right. Daniel (27:36) And so, uh, and now, not then I look at the pros and the pros are like, I don't know, like if I, if I not spending ludicrous amounts of money, I'm getting only 24 gigs of Ram. Like that's less than I have now. Like I want my Ram. And I mean, I haven't worked a lot with like AI mods or whatever, but like, I don't want to, at least I don't want to close the door on that at some point. need, I need Ram, right? Um, David Gary Wood (27:49) Yep. no. Yeah, I mean, it's unlikely you'll be running local AI to do too much yet, but like I can see a world in the next next few years where that's an integrated part of your, your ID and experience, like some smaller models running locally that Rams use for one way or the other. Right. And, no, I wouldn't want to go down from 32 gigs of Ram now. ⁓ yeah. Daniel (28:19) Right. So, but if I go up, these machines suddenly cost 5,000 euros, which is ludicrous. And at that price range, they are faster than my current machine, but they're not twice as fast. They're not one and a half times as fast. They may be like 30 % faster, which is impressive and everything, but it is a lot of money for that kind of improvement. David Gary Wood (28:28) I know, I know they get to ludicrous. Yeah. No. Daniel (28:49) ⁓ but at the same time, I don't want to downgrade. So I'm, I'm thinking, you know what, like, I don't have to buy a new computer. Like so far, like I, if I, if I noodle around a little bit, like it will charge eventually. so I think, I think I'm, I'm, I'm sitting still and see if, ⁓ if anything, if anything new comes around the corner towards the end of the year. David Gary Wood (28:50) Yeah. Stick it out until it's... yeah. That's fair. That's fair. I mean... Daniel (29:11) So I have the Mac rumors buyers guide open just to finish this discussion. And I'm scrolling to the max vision pro iMac Mac mini no no no no no MacBook Pro MacBook Air. Where's the MacBook Pro? ⁓ here we go. Alright, so the MacBook Pro has been has a caution label. It says days since the last release, October 24. And if I click on the room around up, says. Should you buy the MacBook Pro? No. But it doesn't show any rumors, I think. ⁓ here we go. September 17, Apple's rumored MacBook Pro redesign. Six new features anticipated. OLED display, thinner, lighter laptop, punch hole camera. that's nice. No camera bump. 5G modem, M6 series chip with two nanometer process, and touchscreen displays. I don't buy the touchscreen. David Gary Wood (30:04) Mm-hmm. Daniel (30:08) But yeah, like if that, if like half of these are coming, then that would be another, but why M6, like the M5 isn't out, right? Are they skipping a? David Gary Wood (30:16) Are we going to skip a generation there? I doubt I really don't know. I think it's really hard to anticipate what order they're going to release stuff in now in some ways. Daniel (30:27) okay, I just read the actual paragraph and it basically says that this redesign, they expect that mid to end of next year. So the M5 will come in between. David Gary Wood (30:35) of Yeah. There's always something around the corner. That's the other thing. And I think like, you know, you reach a point where the charging situation is just untenable or it stops working. Then you're going to need to upgrade anyway, right? You need to have a machine to do your work on. Yeah. Daniel (30:51) I'm not nervous because if this machine really stops working, I have a Mac mini in my tiny little server cabinet that I can just pull out and use that. Alex has also offered me her MacBook Air as a donor, or I can just rent one. We have this hardware rental company where it's good in theory just to rent a laptop for a month or two. So I have options, even quick ones. And all my code is on GitHub and all my passwords are in one password. David Gary Wood (30:59) Yep. Backup machine. Mm-hmm. See, you've got options and there is always, yeah. Daniel (31:18) Like, I'm fine, like. David Gary Wood (31:19) Yeah, you're sorted. Yeah. I mean, there is always, I was just taking a look at there is a, there's always the option of an M4 Mac Mini as well. Daniel (31:29) Yes, I have considered not a Mac mini, but like I guess a Mac studio. Like I was like, okay, if I was spending like thousands of euros, I could just, I could just buy a desktop machine and have way better like price per performance. But the thing is I am on the go too often to, and then, and then ⁓ a buddy of mine, like shout out to Flo, if you're listening, ⁓ said, look at this, technology that allows you to basically stream. your home computer or Mac to your iPad or to your MacBook Air or whatever, and just use it without latency basically. And I have looked at it and it's really impressive. It's called Moonshine. I'm gonna link it in the channel as well. It is really impressive, but after thinking about it for a few days, I have decided against it. I don't want to... base the entire, my entire, ⁓ my entire development process on something that is like, like that is like that, that rickety like, yeah, I need, now I need two computers and an internet connection. three of these things need to work perfectly for me to be able to do my work. And I need to maintain the, the two computers and the software and the internet connection. And I feel like that's too brittle. David Gary Wood (32:35) Mm-hmm. To tie it together. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've kind of ran into some similar things just in terms of my own setup. have a Mac Studio M2 and that's doing really well. I I haven't really got any performance issues for what I do that are slowing me down. So that's been an awesome choice. Daniel (33:03) Hmm. David Gary Wood (33:05) As I said earlier, I'm fortunate I've got a home office set up as well. So I can be in here and it's there and I'm not on the go in the same way. However, I am around my house and I do end up on an evening like, I just want to check something on my computer, especially when I've been running, I said I wasn't going to mention it on the show, but like when I've been running claw code stuff and it's just been running through a load of things. Daniel (33:27) He David Gary Wood (33:29) And I find myself VNCing through screen sharing onto my Mac, either from my phone or my iPad to check stuff. It's a really imperfect experience. And I have also ended up using my MacBook Air to then remote and work through screen sharing. And that kind of works. I can set the high bandwidth because I'm at home and yeah, it's sort of good enough, but it's still Daniel (33:32) Thank David Gary Wood (33:54) ⁓ the only reason that really works is cause I never try and do anything dev wise on that MacBook Air now, like the studio is the dev machine. So I go into that. I'm not quote unquote maintaining two machines to try and, know, but if I was actually on the move, I can tell you what would end up happening is, is that. Yeah. They'll come a point where that connection's broken some way or The Internet's gone down at home. Daniel (34:19) or the studio would reboot for an update and not be reachable anymore. like, do you need to just like go in there and press one button, something like that. David Gary Wood (34:24) Maybe or something like that. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you have straight back round into right now. I'm going to check out the repo locally. ⁓ no, I didn't keep Xcode or whatever up to date on this machine. Now I've got to download that. And then before you know it, you're actually trying to do the whole thing of just keeping two machines in sync. So I don't know listeners of the show, if you've got a working setup in this way that you really love, like Feel free to email us, contact at waiting for review dot com. ⁓ Yeah. Daniel (34:54) Yes. Or mention us on Mastodon. Like just write me at daniel at social.telematredeck.com. I mean, as any normal person would just like say, I keep this laptop that mostly works or, or spend not a ludicrous amount of money on a laptop that, but yeah. David Gary Wood (35:03) Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And maybe a stopgap if you're waiting for the the next round of updates for a laptop replacement is an iPad for on the go with a keyboard, right? And then not necessarily remoting in, but using apps and services on that to do what you do. Maybe. Daniel (35:30) I, so I have, I have actually, I'm trying this out right now. Like, so one of the things that I'm annoyed at or that that happens these days is I have my laptop with me everywhere and my laptop weighs two and a half kilos. That is about, I don't know, 17 Newton meters for the Americans. And it is kind of heavy and like, It's big-ish, like it's the 14 inch, it's still a big device, right? 14 inches is large. And so I want something tiny. We've talked about this before. I see a small laptop and I'm like, this is cool. But on the other end of the spectrum, if I try to do stuff on the phone, there's just not enough room. David Gary Wood (36:00) Mm-hmm. Daniel (36:15) I borrowed an iPad, although this is not mine, but I am allowed, I was allowed to put my own account on it. I kind of made a backup, wiped it. And I've added my favorite SSH ⁓ app, secure shellfish. I've added on it a NetBird, which is what I'm using to use VPN basically into my machines. David Gary Wood (36:28) Mm-hmm. Daniel (36:35) can, I can like, what I can do with this setup is I can take this with me and have a device where if all the servers are suddenly falling over, I can probably like put out the fire. And this is cool. Also, it's a nice device. Like I can play Droid Acosta Tycoon on it. But I don't feel like I could develop on this machine. Like even if I had a keyboard for it, because like this is like, it's nice for to-dos for my, for emails, stuff like that. But the app model on the iPad, like we've had this discussion 20, 20 billion times, like the app model on the iPad. David Gary Wood (36:56) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel (37:07) does not work for me personally for development stuff. Like even if I had Xcode, even if I had like, know, like can't even, like it probably would like technically work. Like if you build enough in, or if I remote in, like if this is the remote screen I'm using, it could also probably work, but it wouldn't be, oh yeah, this is, like it wouldn't feel, it wouldn't probably feel very, David Gary Wood (37:12) That's fair. Daniel (37:33) very stable or good, to be honest. David Gary Wood (37:37) Fair enough. it's more just a thought, think, thinking there. Like, if you are taking that iPad on the move and if you did have a keyboard with it, like, you could in theory leave your laptop plugged into remote too, and then you've got your lightweight, you know, put the fires out device, but you've also got the option of going in that way. I don't know. Maybe there's something there Daniel, like just in terms of for those moments when you really don't want to take the laptop out. Daniel (38:06) Like what I could totally do and what I've considered is like putting the, I misspoke by the way earlier, the server app is called Sunshine, not Moonshine. I put it on the show notes as well. What I might actually do is put ⁓ Sunshine on the Mac mini that is always on and connected to the internet. also has, this machine has like all the stuff that I need to develop stuff. David Gary Wood (38:15) ⁓ yep. Daniel (38:30) And so if I really, really need to and have the app iPad with me, could probably do stuff. Because the iPad is the machine that I want to take with me if I don't take the laptop, right? So that could be like, also could be like, ⁓ yeah, in case of emergency, like type of thing, but like not a, but not in like, a, yeah, this is just regularly how I do my work. Like this, this. David Gary Wood (38:45) Yep. You've got a dev dev environment. can get in. Daniel (38:53) This is probably not how I want to regularly do my work, which is fine. David Gary Wood (38:57) I get that. And hey, you know what? Maybe in a few months time they'll have updated the MacBook Pros and you can have a normal charging experience with MagSafe as well. That's going to feel like... Daniel (39:09) Yeah, MagSafe started, like stopped working months ago, back when I was in, like, it was still, it's like back in Augsburg. Like, I remember every time we podcasted in Augsburg in my old office, the MagSafe would kind of stop and it was kind of like noodling around with it on the side, like to make it work again. And so I remember like, that was like every time before our podcast, would switch out from MagSafe to USB-C so I could like... David Gary Wood (39:17) Mm-hmm. Daniel (39:35) have power on my machine. ⁓ yeah. Those were the days. David Gary Wood (39:38) I know you're managing with it, Daniel, but I think when you upgrade, it's going to be like, thank goodness, like all these niggles are solved. Daniel (39:44) Yes, yes, everyone get a Telemetry Deck subscription so I can charge my laptop. Yes. David Gary Wood (39:49) Yeah. On that note, Daniel, though, I think I'm going to have to wrap up with you here today. Unless you've got anything small to. Daniel (39:56) Good, good. ⁓ Do you have like five more minutes? ⁓ Something? David Gary Wood (40:00) Five minutes is good. I'm aware I'm going to have those people coming around to do that quote. So I probably shouldn't be too long, but five minutes is good. Yeah. Daniel (40:06) Right. Okay. I'm looking at the clock five minutes. So one thing that I have done differently, with, ⁓ like, okay. So iOS 26 came out, right. And what I always do when a new Apple release comes out, like a big one, like a point zero release is I kind of look at telemetry global data set and see, see it rolling out across the world. And I love seeing that. It's so cool. But the problem is. I didn't have, like, I couldn't really share that because I could take a screenshot and post it, but like, this that's basically it, right? And the process to update the surveys that we have on the main telemetry website is kind of involved. it's, it's like, at some point I need to put in some work into that, but basically you need to put in like 20 minutes to update that page. And so it's not something that I can update every hour or something like that. But. I like two weeks ago, no, last week I realized that we do have notebooks and notebooks, and I'm sure like notebooks are not shareable. So I built a notebook that shows the, the, the rollout for iOS 26. And I just like updated it every, I'm going to, I'm going to screen share it. I just updated. I updated it every, every hour automatically. David Gary Wood (41:15) Let's just see it quickly. For those on the YouTubes, you'll get this. Daniel (41:24) And it worked beautifully. And we got so many shares, so many people joined the discussion. So many people talked about it, shared it, reshared it, or just like looked at it. And it was not a lot of work to keep this updated. And still, it's kind of pretty. I'm trying a new color scheme where I'm basically marking the most important. part of the chart in telemetry like orange and the rest of the chart in like very bright orange, that's almost whitish. And yeah, this was so cool because the technology was all there and I just had to automate that every hour the thing would press the button. And this is shareable because it doesn't hit the calculation servers. It kind of takes a snapshot of the calculated data at that time. So it can show the charts and David Gary Wood (42:01) That's really cool. Yes. Daniel (42:20) It is cool and it's interactive. Like you can still look at the charts and hover over them and whatever. like, I don't know, like disable parts of the charts. It's just like, gives me a tiny bit of happiness and joy. David Gary Wood (42:32) great. I'm looking at that now and it's just yeah it's really cool you can see the so somewhat what I'm seeing there right in in those charts with that sort of like it's building and it bumps and it bumps and comes back down again a bit. Is that people's ⁓ is that Apple's rollout also kind of like a lag on that as people are updating and using or is that more like ⁓ to do with times of day where people are using this in different parts of the world. Because like the percentage 26 seems to be quite high and then goes back down again a little bit and then keeps coming up. So it's always nudging up a bit. Daniel (43:14) Right. So what we are looking at is like hour by hour, which how many of like telemetry, telematics events in the global data set are actually containing iOS 26. And so of course, if there's a higher volume of users, then, and like, then usually the, the percentage will go down a little bit. So this is why above of that, I actually put the absolute numbers here. And so you can see like people are using their phones over the course of the day. David Gary Wood (43:25) Hehe. Yep. Daniel (43:43) And then in the evening it goes down and then over the course of the next day, it kind of goes up again, right? And so of course you will have a little bit of fluctuation from that. If you look at the bigger picture though, like on September 15 at 20 GMT, so one hour after the release, suddenly it very quickly jumps up. And these are the people who kind of update their phones because they know it's... David Gary Wood (43:54) Okay. Immediately. Yeah. Daniel (44:10) It's coming, like they go to settings, software update, they click like, Hey, I want to update my phone. And this is basically this first wave. there's like usually about like 20 % of people that update over the course of the first week. And so we see that. And what happens later is that people will, like in about a week, usually experience wise, Apple will actually send customers a notification that will say like, Hey, do you want to update to iOS 26? And so there will be another very significant bump. to usually 60%. Like they usually go like 20%, 20%, 20%. And if they're at 60 % or so, they will usually go to 80 % and then not get the last 20%. They will just be stragglers, even here. You don't see this because I... We have still 3.3 % iOS 17 users. David Gary Wood (45:00) 6 % on 17. Yeah. Daniel (45:05) You just can't get them. They will buy a new phone at some point. That's how they update. David Gary Wood (45:09) Yeah, just to double check, Daniel, are we missing? This is only for these three OS's, So there is a percentage potentially on older than 17. Yeah. Daniel (45:16) Right. Yes. This is, this is, um, like there's like, like a few, like a zero point something percent on, on 16 and earlier, um, go to like the telemetry.com slash survey to see the full things. Like, but this is just like a good way to visualize, yeah. Like people are actually updating, but I promised you five minutes. So my five minutes are up. Um, I put the link to the notebook in the show notes. will update it periodically. Thank you so much. Uh, I, I just like founded that a is super interesting to look at the data. David Gary Wood (45:40) That's okay. Yeah. That's awesome to say. Yeah. Daniel (45:48) And B, it was a really good marketing tool, which ⁓ is something that I like giving people something of value and then even getting back their attention. That feels like a good deal and not very sleazy. So I liked it. David Gary Wood (46:01) Well, it's a win-win and that's always awesome. Well, we can wrap up here. I will do a callback in the next show because I had a note to talk about supporting old devices, but we'll bury the lead and talk about that next time. Daniel (46:03) Yes. Do you want to do the outro because you did the intro as well? David Gary Wood (46:20) Oh, maybe, maybe. I've not done the outro in ages. Hardly ever at all. Let's have a look. Cracky. I need the outro notes. Right. So thanks for listening. Please write us on iTunes and and YouTube. Check out our YouTube. That's a thing we do. You can see us bobbing around as we talk to each other. This is not the outro. Let me keep going. And Send us emails at contact at waiting for review. Join our Discord. There is actually an indie development Discord that we are inside of. And it'll be cool to see more of you there. That's in the show notes. But yeah, where can people find you, Daniel? Daniel (46:59) yeah, find me on maceron at daniel at social.telemetry.com or on TikTok with break as break the system, but there's a dash between the E and the, between the A and the K of break the system because I broke it, but it's a horrible username to spit it out. So maybe just go to the show notes because it has a link to my TikTok this time. And you? Where can people find you? David Gary Wood (47:26) You can find me mostly these days on Instagram. My account there is lightbeamapps. But otherwise I am actually back on Mastodon and have been for a little while. That's in the show notes. Yeah, and Blue Sky as well. So it will be lovely to have people have me there. But check those out in the show notes. Daniel (47:38) I've noticed. Yeah, ⁓ Bluska is growing on me as well. it's picking up speed for me personally. Anyway, thank you so much. yeah, chore. Your chore, listener, for this week is clean your bike. Like your bike, the chainset of your bike is horribly grimy. It's bad for your bike. It will make you pedal harder. Clean it, put in new oil. It's really nice feeling afterwards. And it's not that much work. There's like a three minute YouTube tutorial that is really good. Find it. David Gary Wood (47:49) Yeah. Daniel (48:13) Clean your bike. That's your tour. Bye. David Gary Wood (48:14) you know what that's a chore I'm actually gonna do. Yeah, I'll send you a photo if I do this weekend. take care Daniel. Bye bye mate. Daniel (48:18) Good boy. Fantastic, fantastic. See ya, it's been great. Bye.