00:00:11:02 - 00:00:36:04 Unknown Welcome to Davidson Skins. We're back again this week to talk to you about golf news, tour stops and where we've been golfing. So what have you got in golf news? Well, the big news of the week was, well, it almost overshadowed The Open Championship overseas. Ryan Fox from New Zealand, one that has a lot of people know that's his first major win. 00:00:36:09 - 00:00:58:19 Unknown He does have a lot of win on a bunch of different tours. He's one of fair amount of prize money over the course of his career. 39 year old player. But for the most part, he's lived his golf career in relative anonymity. But the big news of the week was Bryson DeChambeau is little. We'll call it dust up on a hole at the at the same tournament. 00:00:58:21 - 00:01:22:16 Unknown And like I said, it almost overshadowed, you know, the winners and the fact that it came down to the last day in the last few holes. Yeah. So Dechambeau decided to take a little dance in the grass and the I would say the rules were not too happy with that little dance that he took in the grass. Now, I've watched the video. 00:01:22:16 - 00:01:47:21 Unknown It's very controversial whether he purposely put down the grass to help his swing, because it wasn't really like it's an improved lie rule, but it wasn't really something that I felt like he was improving his lie. He was improving his swing. So they basically came in after the round. That's the thing I didn't realize when I first saw the news, I thought it was happening in real time. 00:01:47:21 - 00:02:08:10 Unknown And no, it happened afterwards. They came to him afterwards and said, we're going to be you a two point or a two stroke addition because of improving your lie is what the rule actually says. But it wasn't really improving his lives. Improving his back swing is really what it came down to. And so they went out and they tried to show him what happened. 00:02:08:11 - 00:02:31:23 Unknown He tried to fight it. Typical to Dechambeau antics and things like that. But it was really interesting because a lot of the camera angles I, I personally don't think he was doing it on purpose, but that's what's really interesting about the rule. So tell people about the rule that it doesn't matter. The rule is pretty cut and dry. 00:02:32:01 - 00:02:56:25 Unknown No one from the Golf Association, the Rules Committee. I'm sorry. Nobody felt as though he had done it. They said it was inadvertent, but it's a very cut and dry rule. That's why I don't think it should be very controversial. If you're doing something to improve your lie or to improve your swing path. Essentially, in this case, he was in some very tall, wild grass. 00:02:56:27 - 00:03:18:11 Unknown Obviously a club's going to hang in that stuff really bad on your downswing. As strong as a golfer he is, it's still going to affect the outcome of his stroke. And I from my vantage point, you and I differ on this a little bit. From my vantage point, I've watched 6 or 8 different angles of him deciding what he's going to hit and how he's going to hit it, and so on and so forth. 00:03:18:13 - 00:03:39:23 Unknown I'm in my mind, I'm 100% certain he can call me and challenge me otherwise, but I don't understand why he had to walk back and forth a half a dozen times over the path of where he was going to be, swinging the club to decide how and what club he's going to use, how he was going to swing and, you know, and to end up with the best result. 00:03:39:23 - 00:04:02:02 Unknown So unfortunately, the committee I say unfortunate because I never like to see somebody lose strokes due to a penalty. But in this case, the rule clearly states, even if it's inadvertent improvement of your of your swing path or your swing lie, it's still a two stroke penalty. So he had to encourage just like anybody else would. Yeah. It's unfortunate. 00:04:02:04 - 00:04:23:17 Unknown The part that I didn't really like was his attitude when it happened. And I think he kind of pulled himself back from it where he was like, well, if that's the case, I'm going to drop out now. I'm sorry, but you're a professional. You should be and you should act like a professional. Take the two stroke penalty, move on, play the rest of the weekend. 00:04:23:18 - 00:04:45:21 Unknown Do what you got to do. Nobody's happy about it. I'm sure the rules officials aren't happy about having to do that, but to kind of, like, throw a tantrum and be like, I'm not going to play the rest of the weekend, that that to me is part of what sometimes I have a problem with, with the Shambo and some of the other players that have this like prima donna attitude. 00:04:45:21 - 00:05:13:22 Unknown So I was not really happy with seeing that. I was super happy to see him have fun with it. Later he did put out some I guess ex tweet whatever the hell they are now, but he did put some stuff out where at one point it was him floating above the grass. It's the officials were trying to explain to him what was going on, but I think the one that really, really got me, it got me laughing was the fact that and I don't know what day it was. 00:05:13:23 - 00:05:32:09 Unknown But as he was walking back into some tall grass, he kind of made a motion like he was going to weed whack the grass, so I was glad to see it. At least he was having some humor in it. But that initial like, hey, I'm going to throw a tantrum and like be upset about it and not play the rest of the tournament. 00:05:32:10 - 00:05:53:18 Unknown Come on, man, you're an adult. You're a pro. Stop doing stuff like that because that is not good for golf. It's not good for you and your brand. And that's probably what upset me more. The grass and the stomping of the grass and stuff like that. I don't think that any of us would have really realized what we were doing. 00:05:53:18 - 00:06:21:05 Unknown But then again, we're amateurs and we don't know all the rules. It is funny, though, because one of the things that I saw brought up was in the Internet Invitational that happened last year. Paige, a female golfer, was kind of doing the same thing. And there was a controversy around that where she was stomping around this guy's ball and she was looking for the ball, and we're all like, I don't know, you were stomping off a heart for looking for the ball. 00:06:21:05 - 00:06:39:04 Unknown So obviously it can happen to amateurs as well. But again, the antics is what gets me. Rules are rules. Sometimes you're not going to like them. Sometimes they're going to bite you in a butt. But to say I'm not going to play the rest of the weekend, that that bothered me more than anything. Well, they call they call brazen. 00:06:39:04 - 00:07:04:21 Unknown A lot of people, you know, golf analysts will call him the mad scientist because he's very much an analytics, a numbers guy. He's he's a very intelligent human being. He knows the rules inside and out. That's why for him to be surprised by it, for him to act like he was struck, that they're calling him on this penalty when it was very clear to see that, although he might call it inadvertent, I call it it, you know, completely intentional, in my opinion. 00:07:04:21 - 00:07:26:17 Unknown But regardless, even if he called it inadvertent while I had to walk around in the grass, well, it doesn't matter. You still created the, you know, the swing improvement. The other thing I didn't like to Jake's point, as far as you know, threatening to bow out of the tournament and withdraw. For those of you at home who don't know, the number of volunteers that go into these tournaments is incredibly high. 00:07:26:18 - 00:07:43:21 Unknown And they're volunteers that do a million different things, and there's a huge trickle down effect from each person that ends up with drawing out for injury or withdrawing out for any other reason. In this case, he would have been withdrawing because he's pouting about the rules. I'm not cool with that. I don't think it's a good idea at all. 00:07:43:23 - 00:08:10:04 Unknown And but your fellow players as well, you're going to hear a lot of grief from some of them over something like that, because they can't finalize tee times for the following days and who the pairings are going to be until they know who's in the tournament. So if somebody you know, on the fence about what drawing and they have to wait till later in the day, that means these guys mentally can't start preparing themselves for who they're going to be paired up with in the following day. 00:08:10:08 - 00:08:30:10 Unknown I loved for again. For those of you at home who don't know, Jake and I have talked a little bit about it. Rory McIlroy, you know, the number 2 or 3, whatever he's ranked at this point in the world, the golfer, he was one of the few that came out and said when he was sitting in the clubhouse with some of the other golfers, they were like, oh, wait a minute, you can't do that. 00:08:30:15 - 00:08:58:00 Unknown They knew immediately that he was violating the rules, and he made no qualms about saying in a post-match interview, Rory, that he's not a fan of Bryson DeChambeau. He said he's not going to defend him. And speaking of defending, a lot of the people, Scottie Scheffler was one of them and there were a couple others whose names I'm not going to remember off the top of my head, but they came out and said, Bryson, those rules, he would not intentionally cheat the game. 00:08:58:00 - 00:09:18:29 Unknown And I think that's where things got lost in translation. They made. They were very specific. The rules. People at the Open Championship were very specific in the way they worded it that he inadvertently did it. So at no point did they claim that he intentionally cheated the rules. They said that he did something that violated the rules on intentionally, inadvertently. 00:09:18:29 - 00:09:42:25 Unknown So I don't think it was necessary for Scottie Scheffler or anybody else to come to his defense in that case, because it's a simple rules, a rule of the game that got applied to him, just like it would to anybody else. Do. I think there's a chance out there that they might have applied it to him a little bit more vigorously, or might have been watching him with a more careful looking glass than they would somebody else. 00:09:42:25 - 00:10:17:28 Unknown That's more popular. And by popular, you got to understand, there's there's different types of popularity. There's popular because you're a great golfer and there's also popularity because you're notorious and notorious isn't always a good thing. Notorious can be bad. And Bryson's case, I do think he has a fair number of people that he rubs the wrong way. Yeah, and I think that there was a big discussion, and this is why it's such a great discussion, because it very much has the internet divided, the golf community divided as to what happened, and was the ruling correct and stuff? 00:10:17:28 - 00:10:43:09 Unknown But I think looking from the outside, I think at first the Shambo might have felt like, oh, you're calling me a cheater. And that's why he got upset. And I can understand that. And I think the ruling needed to be very, very clear that this was not a hey, we felt you cheated. It was hey, we felt you did something to improve your lie or improve your swing. 00:10:43:10 - 00:11:01:06 Unknown Not that you did it on purpose, not that you did it by cheating, but that that it doesn't matter. Because that's the rule, which I think is such an interesting role, because it doesn't matter if you do it on purpose or you don't do it on purpose, which I guess, yeah, you can make a mistake and step on some areas that you shouldn't and it improves things. 00:11:01:06 - 00:11:24:21 Unknown But I do find it really interesting that Rory came out and said some stuff, and one of the things he said, he's like, I don't really like the antics. Rory is not really one to come out and say anything about antics because he's had his own problems in the past. But that's what makes such a great discussion because it's really got the golf community divided, it's got the internet divided, and there's people on both sides of things. 00:11:24:21 - 00:11:45:29 Unknown And I think I was really, really glad to see that, that the Shambo did not withdraw. He did not, like, have an attitude the rest of the weekend. He actually poked fun at himself the rest of the weekend. And he had a good turnout and I don't remember. He finished fourth, fifth, something like that, a little bit lower than that. 00:11:46:00 - 00:12:06:18 Unknown He had a last, last half, the last day, if I remember right, he he struggled a little bit on keeping it on the fairway or anything remotely close to normal part of the golf course. And so he, he dropped down the leaderboard a little bit, but but still finished very, very well overall. Yeah. So so yeah. So that was the big thing in the news this past week. 00:12:06:18 - 00:12:36:15 Unknown And we're actually going into the next tournament where we're very happy to report that Scotty's actually playing well. I know it's shocking. It's early in a tournament and Scotty's actually, what, 4 or 500, 606 under 600. He's not, like in 60th place from whatever he likes to do normally. So it was funny because we had a discussion today while we were playing that we were talking about the fact that Scotty has nothing to be upset about. 00:12:36:16 - 00:12:56:02 Unknown He won in the season. He won one of the first tournaments in the season or the American Express tournament, his first term of the year. Yeah, his first tournament of the season. He's coming second in a slew of tournaments and made a ton of money. And if and I think you were saying, if you look at the average of his score, he's still number one in the world. 00:12:56:05 - 00:13:14:05 Unknown His scoring average on the PGA tour is number one this year. So he's got nothing to be upset about. I think his fans, we're just not happy he hasn't won it yet. So I'm super happy to see that he's he's doing it really well this tournament. Hopefully it holds out. Hopefully he can run away with it because I'd love to see that. 00:13:14:05 - 00:13:38:18 Unknown But man he he has had an interesting season because it looks bad on numbers and on paper. But man, I really don't think the numbers in the paper in his bank account are hurting at all. I think he's doing okay. So what else have we been up to? Well, we did a little golf trip that we combined with the podcast had. 00:13:38:18 - 00:14:02:29 Unknown We were headed out to turning Stone to do a resort and casino, beautiful golf facility out there as well. They have a whole slew of golf options to golf on there, on their facility. And on our way out we stopped and did a little challenge. You against me on the golf course. How'd that go? Yeah, so we stopped at Fox Run in Johnstown, New York, and we got up super early. 00:14:02:29 - 00:14:25:20 Unknown We left here at 5:30 a.m., and we had the very first tee time of the day. That's an interesting experience in itself, to be able to go out. Nobody in front of, you know, in the parking lot like nobody there. We got there. And it was funny because the woman at the front desk was like, oh, I got to open up because there's people here. 00:14:25:20 - 00:14:48:07 Unknown So we got there super early. It was a beautiful, absolutely gorgeous day. We have been dealing with some really, really bad smoke, thanks to the Canadians who seemed to want to burn their forests down. But we have been dealing with some really bad smoke the last week or so, and it kind of cleared up for Friday. It was the rest of the weekend and so it was absolutely gorgeous. 00:14:48:08 - 00:15:10:20 Unknown We got there. We started out you weren't hitting great. No, that's the only reason. Like I know where he is in the handicapped, where I am, it's a handicap. If I'm tied with him, something's going on with him. And so we played, we got done with 18 and we both looked at each other and we went, oh, we both shot at 92, which I was super happy about. 00:15:10:22 - 00:15:34:16 Unknown Don't think he was, but shot 92. Luckily there was nobody else behind us. So we turned around and did a whole 18 again. And I actually think I played 18 better the second time than it did the first time, because I shot over that dog leg left over the trees and put it almost identically to where I had it on my second shot going in the first time, but on the other side of the fairway. 00:15:34:16 - 00:15:59:29 Unknown So it absolutely great shot. Then he and I looked at each other. Okay, we both parred 18 were still tied. Let's go into the clubhouse, make sure they're okay. If we continue to do playoff holes, we went in or you went in. And what did they say to you? She was so accommodating. I was so happy. But anyway, when I went back in to ask if we could replay a hole, she said, well, why don't you go out on hold ten she said. 00:16:00:00 - 00:16:21:12 Unknown And if there's somebody in front of you, she said, let them hit first. And well, we ran into a twosome that came up behind us. There was a foursome in front of us and a twosome behind us when we hopped on hold. Ten. And I think we had the best hype man ever. Oh, that guy was amazing. So we get up on the hole and he's like, oh, you want to join us or the other way around? 00:16:21:12 - 00:16:37:07 Unknown I can't remember. And we were like, yeah, absolutely. And he was like, all right, so what's going on? We're like, well, we're only going to play a couple more holes because we've already done our 18. These are kind of playoff holes. And he's like, oh really? And he's like, so what's your handicap? And I was like, oh it's about 20. 00:16:37:07 - 00:16:54:00 Unknown And he's like, well what's his handicap? And I was like probably about 1314. And he's like, oh, so he gave you a bunch of strokes. And I was like, no, I said, we're tied based on just regular score. And he goes, oh man, that is awesome. He goes, I can't wait for you to beat him. And I'm like, who is this guy? 00:16:54:05 - 00:17:18:02 Unknown Like he was? He was. He reminded me of the guy at travelers who kept going. Who? Yeah. Every time. The part. That's exactly what he was like until I screwed up. Then he was totally against me because I hit a decent drive on ten, got kind of tucked over to the right underneath these trees. And I was like, all right, I just got to punch out Duff. 00:17:18:07 - 00:17:39:14 Unknown It only went a couple of yards forward, hit the next shot, shanked it into the woods. And all I remember is coming up to the green after I hit my my drop and he's like, G opened the door much and I was like, wait, what happened to my hype man? My hype man totally went reverse on me. He was like a WWE wrestler. 00:17:39:14 - 00:17:59:18 Unknown He flipped and flipped the switch and something happened. All of a sudden he's rooting for me and rooting against you. Yeah, yeah. But he was awesome. We had a great time. But I will say that that course is absolutely gorgeous. It's it is definitely a grip and rip it course because we really enjoy it hitting our drivers on that course. 00:17:59:18 - 00:18:21:03 Unknown Well, you enjoyed it. I sprayed mine every couple. You had a couple there at that one where I was like, that's not the right direction. But overall it's a much wider course than Brookhaven. Doesn't take much honestly to be wider than Brookhaven. My front door is wider than Brookhaven. Yes, exactly. So it was fun to play that course. 00:18:21:03 - 00:18:38:27 Unknown But I will tell you that we told the woman at the front desk, like, hey, we do a podcast, and we explained to her that we were stopping there to head out to to turning Stone to do interviews, which we'll talk about in a second. And she was like, oh, that's awesome. We gave her a card for podcast. 00:18:38:27 - 00:18:55:19 Unknown She's like, oh, that's amazing. And then you'll accommodate us to be able to play that additional playoff hole. Thank God we have to go any more. That's why I lost that one. Yeah, maybe. But when we came back in to let her know because I was like, we gotta let her know how it went. So we let her know how it went. 00:18:55:19 - 00:19:13:03 Unknown And she was like, hold on a second. Let me introduce you to the owner. She literally took us to the owner, who is working with somebody at their indoor bay. And I think he was fitting somebody for clubs. And she's like, hey, these two guys have a podcast. They just came up to play for the day and they're heading out to turning Stone. 00:19:13:03 - 00:19:32:19 Unknown I want to introduce you. So I, I think that's awesome that she went out of her way to accommodate us, to be able to do two playoff holes, but also accommodate us in the fact that she knew we had a podcast and we got introduced to the owner. So I want to say a special shout out to I believe it's rich. 00:19:32:21 - 00:19:56:15 Unknown If it's not rich, it's wrecked, but I believe it's rich at Fox Run. We really appreciate the way you guys treated us at that course, and we've played there before, once a couple of years ago, and we absolutely loved that course. And I got to tell you, I haven't stopped talking about that course since we got back. I told everybody I've played with recently that that's of course they need to go out and play. 00:19:56:18 - 00:20:20:26 Unknown Yeah, it's a little bit of a trip, but it's worth it. One the course price is reasonable. The beer prices are reasonable, the shirt prices are reasonable. I bought another shirt. Yes. You cannot keep him away from a reasonable shirt. Price. And they were under armor? Yes, under armor shirts. The dry fit under armor shirts. For. For a super reasonable price. 00:20:21:00 - 00:20:40:05 Unknown You got to go to this place. It's Johnstown, New York. Yeah. Johnstown, New York Gloversville is nearby. Amsterdam's nearby. If you're in any of those places, brought Albany. Perth is not too terribly far away. And there's a bunch of other small towns out there. They also convert. I don't know if you remember the owner telling us that they convert a big portion of the clubhouse in the wintertime. 00:20:40:05 - 00:20:55:11 Unknown They convert it to golf simulators for, I think he said, 4 or 5 simulators they have set up during the winter time. They do all kinds of leagues and, and other, you know, competitions at the simulator, which is that's really cool that they, you know, have found a way to make it a year round go of it. Yeah, absolutely. 00:20:55:11 - 00:21:27:12 Unknown So there will be a link to that site in the description. Anytime we talk about a golf course that we went to or we absolutely love, there will be a link in the description. Now I will tell you that it was the first stop on a very long day, but we were on our way to turning stone. Now, it's funny because we decided that we were going to sit out the Albany region turning Stone event that Don was putting on, and then there's a two day event that was going on the weekend. 00:21:27:13 - 00:21:53:28 Unknown We decided. I decided based on the way I was playing, I was not going to put that kind of money up for a tournament, but that was my choice. And we got talking and Don was like, hey, I've got 115 golfers coming in for my tournament. We went, what? And he's like, oh yeah, they're from everywhere. And we were like, how the two day tournament is obviously I think the anchor for it. 00:21:53:28 - 00:22:25:06 Unknown And then the Friday one is kind of like the hey, come and play all three courses. So we decided what a great opportunity. Don obviously was in the back of our ear going, hey, like this is a great opportunity. So we decided to head out and we made that stop at Fox Run. And then about 1230, 1:00, we got to turning Stone to see the guys that were the champ flight just starting to come off the course so that we could interview them. 00:22:25:06 - 00:22:43:20 Unknown Now, what the heck's the name of the course? A tunnel? Nope. Yeah. The way the clue it. Yeah. Attorney is the the one that's really, really nice. If you get a chance to play that, that is a spectacular course. But they call it the K course because nobody really likes to have to try to figure out how to pronounce that. 00:22:43:21 - 00:23:13:21 Unknown So the K course they were coming off that the champs were coming off just as we got there. And so the idea was Don always takes a photo, or the US amateur always takes a photo of the champ flight winner with their trophy, the senior champ flight with their trophy. And we were like, you know what? What a great opportunity for us to interview these guys and share with them that we have the podcast, but more importantly, help don promote the US amateur. 00:23:13:24 - 00:23:37:01 Unknown And so we got to interview or you got the interview I filmed. He interviewed everybody and it was a great time. We had a blast doing that. So many different personalities. So beautiful thing about the US and tour is it's such a melting pot. We had a winner from Puerto Rico, we had a winner from Alberta. Yeah, it was phenomenal. 00:23:37:01 - 00:24:02:12 Unknown It was great to see all all different nationalities, you know, people of different dialects, you know, people of every shape and size you could possibly think of old and young. There were some of the older guys that one on the regular tour, you know, it was it was a lot of fun to see. And it was really cool because it not only did we get to see somebody from Canada or somebody from Puerto Rico, but we got to see guys from all over the country. 00:24:02:12 - 00:24:21:14 Unknown And what I found really interesting in the interviews is many of the winners. This was not their first time there, except for the guy who won the champ flight. This was his very first time playing that. Yeah that's impressive. And then he came in second for the two day of that. That's really impressive. And he shot lights out both days. 00:24:21:15 - 00:24:33:24 Unknown Yeah. 00:24:33:26 - 00:24:53:18 Unknown Hi this is Kyle Sigman. He's the winner of our US and tour stop here today. Beautiful turning stone resort the Cluett course. How did it go today for you? Yeah, it was good coming out of the gate. Birdie. First hole and doubled. And birdie birdie bogey eagle like a typical Jordan Spieth around to start off. We know all about that. 00:24:53:18 - 00:25:12:21 Unknown We watch a lot of golf where the course conditions like it was good. Of course it's in phenomenal shape well maintained. So you're from Chula Vista California I heard how how do our courses this course compared to what you have out there a little different a lot greener obviously you guys get rain out here. Different types of green grass on the greens. 00:25:12:22 - 00:25:36:25 Unknown You know the grass here. We play a lot of pona out there. So you had a tight battle pretty much all day. It looked like. Yeah. And it was just neat to like meet all of these different golfers from all over the country that they look at this tournament, this three day thing. Granted, the one day is a Albany region event, but the two day is a bigger regional event. 00:25:36:26 - 00:26:01:05 Unknown They look at this as a non-negotiable. And actually, I think it was Jonathan said that in his interview that that's why they come up from Puerto Rico. It is a non-negotiable. This is the tournament that they come to. Yeah, the course they played the first day for the one day tournament. And just so people are clear that are listening, we talk of regions and then we talk of regionals. 00:26:01:05 - 00:26:21:09 Unknown And it could probably get a little confusing. And I never thought to explain that to people until just now when I heard Jake saying it. So your region is just essentially your home territory. And there's different tour directors for those regions all throughout the country. Puerto Rico, Canada doesn't have their own. He comes down, if I remember right, he said he plays in the Buffalo region. 00:26:21:09 - 00:26:45:07 Unknown If my memory serves me right, that's where he normally plays. But regardless, all of those regions have their own tour stops and they're all one day events, and then they have regional events, which essentially brings people from all neck of the woods from all over the country. And those are usually two day events. They coordinated doing a one day Albany region event and a two day regional event. 00:26:45:14 - 00:27:08:04 Unknown That's how we ended up with three days at turning Stone. The beauty of it is turning Stone has three top tier courses. The one they played the first day I was about to say is considered the second hardest course in New York State, and the only one that's harder is Bethpage Black down in Long Island, which we did have some representation from that area. 00:27:08:07 - 00:27:23:23 Unknown But anyway, it's a very, very difficult course. It's not a grip and rip it course. It's a place your shot where you want it type. Of course don't worry about the, you know, the distances and stuff like that. Set yourself up for the next shot type, of course, if you will. So it was, it was good to see. 00:27:23:26 - 00:27:43:03 Unknown Well, and that's what you were just saying about the placing it. There was a gentleman that we interviewed and I'm sorry, I am horrible with names I cannot remember, but he said it is a target course and I thought that was a great way to describe it. It is you have to pick a target and you have to go after that target. 00:27:43:04 - 00:28:03:28 Unknown You do not want to be in the rough. You do not want to be in the sand. You do not want to be off the fairway. You need to pick a target on the fairway and that's where you want to be. And I thought that was a great way to describe it. He also said that and it's funny because we always talk about you have a good day on the driving range doesn't always translate to a good day on the course. 00:28:03:28 - 00:28:23:15 Unknown But he said I had a really good drive or a range. Time felt really good about that. Went to the putting green, felt really good about that and I felt really good going into the day and he won so it can happen. I don't think it happens for me most of the time, but it can happen. So it was really interesting to hear that interview as well. 00:28:23:15 - 00:28:46:14 Unknown So before I forget, we will have a link. So I have put up a video of the eight interviews that we've done. We have four more placements that we haven't interviewed yet. Two of them have reached out to me. And if you're seeing this and you haven't reached out to us and you won those one of the Jones flights or the Tiger flights, please reach out to us because we'd love to interview you. 00:28:46:14 - 00:29:09:05 Unknown But the first eight that we did in person at turning Stone are now live on YouTube, and I'll put a link to that in the description. They're great. It's just awesome to hear these guys and you almost forget their amateurs the way they were talking on the interviews, because they're talking about like playing it safe. They're talking about staying out of their rough. 00:29:09:07 - 00:29:15:20 Unknown They're talking about the greens. Like it really felt like we were interviewing people that were above