Sally Fallon-Morrell [00:00:00] Brendan D. Murphy: Hello, and welcome to this episode of Truthiverse. I'm your host, Brendan D Murphy. And we are joined by our special guest this week, Sally Fallon, who probably bears no introduction, but she is the author of Nourishing Traditions and also the founder of the Weston A Price Foundation. [00:01:00] She's responsible for many of the current food trends that we're seeing in the health community. Without further ado, Sally, it's awesome to have you here. Thanks for joining me. [00:01:09] Sally Fallon Morell: Thank you. Thanks for having me. [00:01:12] Brendan D. Murphy: I've known your name for quite a while now, and I haven't had the opportunity until now to dig in a little bit more. My partner has known of your work for quite some time, and I think she's been a little bit more on the ball there, because your words are very much on the same wavelength. So can you tell us a little bit about your background, and what led you to being this health figurehead in the health movement? [00:01:31] Sally Fallon Morell: I have no background that qualifies me for this. [00:01:35] I'm an English major, but I always tell people, what really qualifies me is that I'm a pretty good cook. I've been cooking for big family for many years, and I think a lot of people who write cookbooks today or books on health, have not had that experience in the trenches, so to speak. [00:01:55] And if your kids will not eat the food, there's [00:02:00] no sense calling it healthy. So the food has to be delicious. Kids have to like it. Your spouse has to like it. And most of the so-called health food books today, the recipes are just inedible. They're dry, no salt, tasteless, whole rough grains that are hard to digest, no sauces, nothing to make this food appetizing. [00:02:24] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah. So when you were starting were you cooking for your own family Is that kind of where this started [00:02:28] Sally Fallon Morell: that's right And I was cooking since I was a teenager I cooked all through college and cooked for a very large family And I'm still cooking but that's really my background and I'm a big reader and have always been able to bring in the work of experts in my writing [00:02:49] Brendan D. Murphy: I love talking to people who don't have a formal qualification It's just you've got a brain and you use it [00:02:55] Sally Fallon Morell: and they can't take anything away from me So there's nothing I can't say [00:03:00] they can't take my degree away from me or my career or anything and then my coauthor for this new book the contagion myth is Tom Cowan who is an conventionally trained MD eminently qualified And who became a holistic doctor when he saw the fissures the cracks in the conventional medical system [00:03:21] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah So when did you team up with him I think that you've been working together for a few years now [00:03:27] Sally Fallon Morell: Tom was actually the first person to recognize nourishing traditions He called me when he found out about the book And has really promoted it And so then we wrote the fourfold path to healing together Beautiful book it still sells And then we wrote the nourishing traditions book of baby and childcare And then finally we both were writing and talking about the COVID thing And I wrote a blog called is coronavirus contagious starting by talking about the Spanish flu which they could not [00:04:00] prove was contagious They tried they couldn't get healthy people sick by exposing them to sick people okay And so the question is what caused that if it wasn't contagious and so many diseases that were originally thought to be contagious turned out not to be contagious like scurvy and pellagra so many diseases they call contagious are actually no longer actually considered contagious like PB or smallpox And so now we have this new disease that everyone says is contagious and that's why we have to lock down the whole world destroying the economies put millions of people in poverty because this thing is supposed to be contagious In any event I wrote this blog and it went viral and then Tom gave a little talk at a conference just 10 minutes about what is a virus and what's really causing this And that went [00:05:00] viral So the fateful email Tom emailed me and he said you know what I think we need to do a book together Are you interested And I said yes I'm interested And we did the book in about two months very topical very timely We knew we had to get it out there quickly [00:05:17] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah that's really fast for writing build from scratch [00:05:19] Sally Fallon Morell: We had both written quite a bit about it already and Tom and I really think alike on so many of these issues So it wasn't hard [00:05:33] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah Okay And you already knew him from times past [00:05:36] Sally Fallon Morell: yes we've collaborated before [00:05:38] Brendan D. Murphy: it was a project begging to happen [00:05:41] Sally Fallon Morell: Yeah So immediately it was banned on Amazon before it even came out They just banned it based on the title And so we have tried to use that to our advantage the banned book And the funny thing is this book is not about politics We never mentioned [00:06:00] anybody in politics We never mentioned Fauci or anybody like that It's about the science I can think of some very famous scientific writing that was banned many years ago and that was Galileo So I guess we're in good company It is available on Books-A-Million I think in Australia and New Zealand It's supposed to be available on Booktopia but they still don't have the books then Barnes and noble was hacked And even though they have books their website says they're out of books So it's been a bit of a fiasco but people are getting the book They get the Nook book or they get the Apple download They can get the book from that people are really looking for it And it's created a buzz you know banned on Amazon [00:06:47] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah the obvious question is what don't they want us to find out [00:06:50] Sally Fallon Morell: what don't they want us to know And again I can say that this whole Thing that's happened in 2020 is based on [00:07:00] the notion that the coronavirus is caused by a virus and it's contagious and that this virus comes into your body attacks your cells somehow breaches the cell membrane--very hard to do--and gets into your cells and multiplies And it takes over it's like space aliens And in fact they have absolutely no proof that this is what's happening They have not isolated this virus There are papers that say they've isolated the virus but they haven't if you want to study caffeine first you grind up the beans and mix it with water and there you have This mess And then you filter that to get the coffee That's how far they've gone They haven't gotten the caffeine out of the coffee That's another couple of steps and nobody has done that So nobody has actually gotten the virus out of what they call the supernatant which is the filtered or [00:08:00] the first centrifuge step they haven't gotten it they have tried to infect mice Hamsters and mosquitoes with what they're calling the virus and they've been unable to So why is this going to kill us all if they can't even infect animals [00:08:17] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah By deliberately trying to do it in probably a very invasive way which is not mimicked in nature [00:08:24] Sally Fallon Morell: Yeah And before they try to infect they mix it with a bunch of poisons some very strong antibiotics who knows what else is in this mixture There might be some viruses there They just don't know But this is not science This is voodoo witchcraft but it's not science And The other part of this story is when people say we've seen viruses Sure We've seen these little things with the fuzzy things coming out of them We know that they are genetic material and a protein coat but what are they are they coming from outside and attacking the [00:09:00] cells or are they created by the cells in response to some kind of stress some kind of toxin And then move out of the cells carrying the toxins with them We've actually seen pictures of them with these little black dots of toxins in them carrying them out of the cell And then they have a secondary purpose which is to go around the body and latch on with these little things that stick out latch on the receptors and tell other cells Hey we've got a problem here We need to adjust These are called exosomes Exosomes are created in the cell They're helpful not harmful And they are exactly the same size as what they're calling viruses They look the same they have the same receptors They work on the same receptors They're the same little feelers sticking out So it all goes back to what I call materialistic science which Immediately assumes [00:10:00] a hostile universe And so when they discovered bacteria these were bad okay And Pasteur said that all disease is caused by bacteria and there's a single bacteria for each disease We have had a complete paradigm shift on bacteria in the last 20 years when Tom Cowan started out as a physician the way they treated illness was to sterilize the body with huge doses of antibiotics We now know how foolish that is we now know that bacteria are our friends to be healthy We have to have about six pounds of friendly bacteria in our guts And bacteria only are a problem when the conditions are bad when the pH is too high or there's certain things in the water and then it's not the bacteria that kill us It's the poisons that they produce It's the terrain It Is not the bacteria So we've had [00:11:00] this paradigm shift Assuming that what they observed was hostile And now we know that it's supportive when they first saw antibodies in the blood they assumed that they were bad that they carried bad things around the bloodstream Now we know that the antibodies are Not bad Okay So it's the same thing with viruses When they finally saw these viruses in 1937 with the electron microscope And by the way they only see the killed viruses they're not seeing the viruses moving So they didn't know whether they were coming into the cell or going out of the cell rife with his microscope saw them going out of the cell but that microscope was destroyed and all his work was destroyed So they just make an assumption that they're coming from outside the cell and they're hostile and attacking us And that's the materialistic science we now know that life isn't like that It's not life Life is cooperative and supportive and [00:12:00] what's harmful or bad are toxins starvation injury And then when we have dead and dying tissue because of toxins starvation or injury the bacteria go there to clean up one of their roles is a cleanup crew They eat their tissue just like if you saw a dead dog in the road and it was crawling with maggots What are those maggots doing They're eating the dead tissue Nobody would assume that the maggots had killed the dog but we're making that assumption about bacteria And now we make it about viruses [00:12:35] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah Yeah It's funny We seem to start out with that bias culturally That was a very ingrained bias In the minds of the virus hunters And they were determined to find this enemy outside [00:12:47] Sally Fallon Morell: Yes The enemy outside Yeah One of the chapters in our book is called resonance and it's just an amazing thing So this study was done by a virologist I don't think he actually [00:13:00] understood the significance of what he found but if you take some nucleic acids and things and put them in a beaker of water And then in another part of your room you put some whole DNA in a beaker of water and you shine a light on these The nucleic acids will form into the exact replica of the DNA you have in the other beaker That's resonance and DNA is actually an antenna That broadcasts in scalar waves which go faster than the speed of light And this process of resonance allows us to adapt to new situations new toxins changes even deficiencies in a sense and so we're very adaptive It's not the long slow Evolution by chance mutation tens of thousands of years [00:14:00] it's resonance So somebody has an enzyme that can deal with a toxin that is communicated by resonance to the other cells and to other organisms It's an amazing wonderful system that's life and that's what we need to honor in a sense it's contagion but it's contagion in a good way [00:14:25] Brendan D. Murphy: So when the coronavirus thing started at what point did you start looking at it having your doubts about what was being discussed [00:14:33] Sally Fallon Morell: It just so happens of course nothing happens by chance I'm always amazed at how a piece of information comes to me just when I need it--I picked up the invisible rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg and started reading And it's just an amazing book Everyone needs to read this book and he's talking about the Spanish flu and how they couldn't prove it was contagious And this was amazing to [00:15:00] me and his theory is that it was caused by the rollout of radio waves radio antenna all over the world that happened at the same time usually in military basis which is where most of the people got sick So I thought now we have something happening here Is it contagious And I realized there was no proof They hadn't done any contagion studies And we had a perfectly good explanation for this illness which is characterized by hypoxia lack of oxygen and the disruption of the hemoglobin in the red blood cells and the disruption of the energy-producing mechanisms in the mitochondria So these are really symptoms of radiation poisoning And voila we had the perfect explanation because it started in Wu Han where they turned on 10,000 base stations [00:16:00] in early December late November The films which are said to be fake news showed people just collapsing in the streets and having seizures twitching until they die that's not a virus viruses Don't do things like that And then it spread to Northern Italy and Spain It was The worst in highly polluted cities And that's one of the things the early research on millimeter waves found that they were more Toxic in situations of a lot of pollution And then it came to New York also a lot of pollution there and that's where it was turned on And then it moved to the other large cities where it was turned on and then to the smaller cities And it's just the way it's spread It's red to the Southeast and Southwest as they started deploying the 5g Now have we proven that it's 5g No but we have excellent [00:17:00] epidemiology We have studies showing that millimeter waves are harmful So let's go ahead now and do the studies and do some real serious epidemiology For example of the people who really were sick--not who tested positive but who were really sick and had these symptoms--how many of them had metal in their bodies How many of them had amalgam fillings implants or had a lot of aluminum there in their bodies because of frequent vaccinations Because you can see very clearly that highly conductive metals in the body would be very disruptive when there's millimeter waves [00:17:43] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah So it's a matter of synergistic toxicity you pile one stress on and then you pile another stress on and you reach that critical mass And it depends on the person But eventually you hit a point where the body just can't cope with what it's being put under [00:17:57] Sally Fallon Morell: we have [00:18:00] adjusted to radio right Most people can live with radio And I believe that's because of this concept of resonance and the work of the exosomes which help us adjust to new stresses and we've adjusted to a lot of things Most people have adjusted to cell phones not everybody I have an employee who cannot get near a cell phone I have another employee who can't drive in a car with the automatic cruise control on It just feels like she's about to be electrocuted So these are the canaries in the mine but most of us have adjusted to these things And the big question is can we adjust to 5Gand I'm doubtful because this is microwave we know what microwaves do So what I'm predicting is that unless we turn this off we'll see a [00:19:00] gradual depopulation of our cities where this is the strongest [00:19:03] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah And we know that's part of the globalist the elitist agenda is depopulation Right To massively cull [00:19:09] Sally Fallon Morell: Yeah but they want us in the cities they don't want us in the country I live on a farm And a year ago there were maybe 15 places for sale within a mile of us And now they're all sold People are getting out of the cities [00:22:11] [00:22:00] [00:21:00] [00:20:00] Brendan D. Murphy: that's good I've been saying we need to start getting a significant number of people out of the cities for a while now and this is partly why Sally I think you wanted to talk a little bit about 5Gand continue pulling on that thread because that was very interesting [00:22:24] Sally Fallon Morell: So what is 5g it's called millimeter waves These are in a gigahertz they're just below ultraviolet they're microwaves it's the same frequency as microwaves And the good news is that these microwaves don't go very far They don't penetrate buildings They're even stopped by trees So you can be fairly assured in your house that you're not being subjected to 5G now in things like hospitals and factories I'm not [00:23:00] so sure because there are companies working on putting 5G in buildings one of those companies is in Kirkland Washington and it's about a mile away from the nursing home where So many people got sick And so you have to ask have they installed 5G in that nursing home We just don't know but it's a theory that needs to be looked at so right now yes you're exposed outside and people can get sick from that but it's not in our houses yet I'm Very concerned about people working in meat packing plants and factories where they have all these electronics including the electromagnetic problems with the conveyor belts That's a lot of electromagnetic radiation So there's that but I just read--and I don't know a lot about this that one of the carriers T-Mobile is not using The millimeter [00:24:00] waves they're using a frequency That's actually below the frequency of 4g but it's the frequency to which human beings are very susceptible It penetrates the skin very easily And that's what's being put up in the very tall towers those little round things that look like tin cans But what I read was alarming so yeah So that's how they're going to bring faster internet speeds out to the country and so forth [00:24:28] Brendan D. Murphy: Okay That's something to keep an eye on then [00:24:30] Sally Fallon Morell: Yeah So there's things you can do Of course we really recommend that in your home and especially where you sleep you don't have any wifi try to get all your Computer stuff in wires and that can be done Even if wifi is bringing it into your house you can put it in wires in your house if you have to have wifi turn it off at night try to turn off all the electricity in your bedroom at night and even simple things like [00:25:00] don't have electric alarm clock by your head It's not just the wifi signals but it's also what's coming out of your wires and into your house I heard a story about a woman who couldn't sleep They'd moved to a new house and it turned out her bed was right by where the electricity came in the house And when she moved her bed to another room then she could sleep So there's going to be a booming business for the building biologists that come in and test your house so those are things you can do Also you should have a landline we all have cell phones of course but Try to use them only when you really need to and never put it up to your ear You know how we see all movies and we see people smoking in the movies and we think How horrible [00:26:00] Now I think we're going to start seeing detective movies and stuff where they all have the phone to the ear and We're going to think how horrible that they're showing house So one of the things I talk about in the book is the new etiquette that we're going to need no one today would light up a cigarette in front of another person Or go into somebody's house and smoke But that was routine 40 years ago everybody did it My parents smoked in bed and everybody smoked in the house around their children and everything Now we think this is just horrible it's so impolite the height of rudeness And so we need an etiquette about our cell phones We need to always ask someone before we use your cell phone they might not want you to we want to keep our cell phones on airplane mode We want to turn it on to airplane mode in theaters there is a very interesting observation about groups where you tend to get outbreaks in groups of people--like we had a choir practice [00:27:00] where a lot of people got sick after the choir practice So they stopped Choir singing no more choir singing which is a really fun thing to do having sung in choruses all my life But what's the explanation everybody's there close together Yeah They all have a cell phone in their pocket or under their chair in the church Steeple is a cell tower of some sort And the electrosensitive people are going to get sick in that kind of situation [00:27:33] Brendan D. Murphy: Totally But we can't blame technology Surely [00:27:35] Sally Fallon Morell: Of course not It's the virus The virus is a great coverup and it's the reason that they can predict all these things They predicted this so-called virus a couple years ago Because they knew they were going to roll out 5g They can predict the second wave when it's turned on stronger [00:27:57] Brendan D. Murphy: I think also you can get [00:28:00] these great little patches for your phone as well that are EMF shielded So you're not actually exposing yourself or the people around [00:28:06] Sally Fallon Morell: Oh that's a good idea I'll look for one and it's very important to get a meter and test your house For example when I tested my computer--which is files it's all wired--I was still getting a very strong signal from my computer And then I realized I can turn off the Bluetooth Turn off the wireless all that stuff And then it was completely safe for me to sit in front of my computer So get a meter especially you want to test your sleeping area [00:28:36] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah that's right That's crucial because that's obviously where you're repairing rejuvenating [00:28:40] Sally Fallon Morell: exactly And if you're just having to deal with that at night You never really recover from what happens in the day [00:28:49] Brendan D. Murphy: [00:29:00] Yeah exactly That's [00:30:00] very wise [00:31:00] advice Sally let's talk about the wifi thing some more and finish that thought [00:31:41] Sally Fallon Morell: let me start another subject and then I'll say something very interesting about the wireless So one of the things we talk about in the book is how our bodies are constructed and we're made out of water 90% of the molecules in our body are water--I think it's actually 99 [00:32:00] and that water is not just scattered around randomly It's actually structured our Cell membranes and our tissue membranes are hydrophilic surfaces and the water against those hydrophilic surfaces structures itself forms a crystal it's like a wire And that crystal the structured water actually carries a negative charge just like electricity in a wire And so just in one cell you have all of this structured water all through yourself that forms a web of wires in yourself and that's what makes your wires work and your mitochondria work and everything So we are electrical beings and this is why EMF affects us because we're electrical beings Our friend Gerry Pollack was really the one who introduced us to this idea of structured water And what he will [00:33:00] do is take a fish tank or a vessel with plastic which is very hydrophilic really structures the water--and you can actually see this layer of structured water against the hydrophilic surface usually a plastic surface And when they put a router next to this tank with the structured water in it the area of structured water shrinks by 15% So that's just a computer router So we know that this EMF definitely affects The structure of your water So the question is how do we insulate those wires of structured water in our body And one of the ways we do is to have really good strong cell membranes strong smooth cell membranes without any breaks or tears in them And that's where the saturated fats come in because to have good strong cell membranes they need to be mostly [00:34:00] saturated And we need to get back to the fats of our ancestors the lard the butter between grassfed the Palm oil gutal bacon fat's my favorite--it's lard on steroids Anyway so we need to go back to eating these healthy traditional fats and not the polyunsaturated seed oils because when they are built into your cell membranes You get tears ruptures wiggly spots Okay Cause they're not firm like a saturated fat And then the electricity doesn't flow as smoothly And especially when you've got the microwave radiation or whatever--your router wifi whatever So we really need to learn to clean up our environment Just like we learned in the past we learned to clean up our cities right With a new technology with manufacturing We had everybody come to the cities and the [00:35:00] cities were a mess We had no sanitation no sewers no clean water And people were very sick and a lot of people died And so it isn't vaccinations or antibiotics that have made us Healthier It's the slow process of cleaning up the cities It's not very glamorous It doesn't make a lot of money for people but that's what made our cities livable Now we have this new technology that we've rushed into That's polluted our atmosphere--we call it electro smog--even being beamed down to us from satellites so we're living in a kind of Sewage field environment That's the analogy And now we need to clean up and that's the long slow tedious process we need to learn to be safe It's like we need to learn to use the toilet We need to learn to use the wireless technology safely I'm [00:36:00] certainly not advocating getting rid of radio or the internet or anything Cause I love those things but they are a challenge to our health and we need to learn to eat properly and to live properly so that we can live with those things [00:36:13] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah a hundred percent I agree with everything you said there I think it's an interesting thread to pull on talking about animal fats because I'm sure there'll be some vegetarians or vegans listening and I spent nearly 10 years vegetarian and the last few years of that I was basically vegan so I can say for myself And my partner was the same she was vegetarian from the age of eight So twenty-five twenty-five years Massive commitment [00:36:36] Sally Fallon Morell: Yeah Very committed people [00:36:41] Brendan D. Murphy: And I found personally as we started to transition out of veg or vegan the first time I ate fish I immediately felt more solid and grounded in my body and less spaced out like immediately [00:36:55] Sally Fallon Morell: one of the things you get from [00:37:00] animal products is zinc you really are going to be deficient in zinc If you're a vegan or even a vegetarian zinc is extremely important for protection against the EMF and the 5g In fact that's what they're giving to people They give them hydrochloroquine and hydroxchloroquine and think okay And I personally take the desiccated oysters--I don't like real oyster--and I've upped my zinc as a kind of protection So that's one of the dangers of the vegan diet is you're going to be deficient in zinc another really important food to protect you is raw milk because that's the best source of glutathione and glutathione is really great for detoxification for protecting you you're not going to get glutathione [00:38:00] from cheese as much as I like cheese Raw cheese is a wonderful food but you don't get the glutathione from the cheese you'll get it from the fresh milk or kefir or whatever's made out of it [00:38:11] Brendan D. Murphy: Yep Yep So by the time people are drinking pasteurized and homogenized milk the benefits are long gone [00:38:16] Sally Fallon Morell: those are toxins anyway So a lot of the things that Tom and I have been talking about for years about your diet are going to be highly protective Salt is another thing you need salt for all those wires to work to keep a different chemistry on the inside and the outside of the cell And you want unrefined salt So you get plenty of magnesium with the salt but you need salt and eat as much salt as your body tells you it wants [00:38:49] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah Beautiful I think those were really great Practical suggestions for people and being a bit of a health nut myself I think that we're on the same page here So [00:39:00] I like where [00:40:00] you're going and where [00:41:00] you're taking people Sally Let's talk about the contagion myth [00:41:53] Sally Fallon Morell: So the book we're talking about is a new book by myself and Tom Cowan the [00:42:00] Contagion Myth Why Viruses Including the Coronavirus are not the cause of disease And I think I mentioned earlier it was immediately banned on Amazon without them having read it just by the title So this is information that the establishment doesn't want you to know about Plus their whole reason for locking us down making us wear masks destroying the economy putting millions of people into poverty is all predicated on the notion that this disease is caused by a contagious virus so the book is available in the States at Books-A-Million and Tom's website drtomcowan.com It's available as a download from Nook books at Barnes and noble I think you can get it all over the world as an iBook from Apple And Australia and New Zealand I think you can get it on Booktopia or you will be able to also I do want to say when you write a [00:43:00] book you've got to stop somewhere and you send it off to the publisher immediately you find new stuff new information So Tom and I are trying to keep up with that on our blogs My blog is Nourishing traditions I'm just about to post a pretty important email responding to some of the detractors that we've had and talking about other studies we didn't know about And Tom also has a blog that he keeps up with this So just stay informed please follow our blogs [00:43:34] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah absolutely we still have a few minutes here We can wrap up with wherever you'd like to take this I think that it's a very interesting discussion that whole virology thing how corrupt that field actually has been from day one for example [00:43:47] Sally Fallon Morell: I would say not so much corrupt but diluted First of all you can isolate this [00:44:00] virus but when they isolate the virus they don't get very much virus And then when they try to infect animals or human cell lines it just doesn't work So they have figured out ways to take something that they call virus but it's actually virus with a lot of other stuff including Antibiotics and poisons and stuff And then they try to infect mostly cells And it does destroy vero cells which are monkey kidney cells but the antibiotics they are using are toxic kidneys So it doesn't mean very much And then they use PCR tests to diagnose and it does not diagnose it was never meant to diagnose Just find snippets of genetic material And lo and behold this genetic material comes from chromosome number eight in humans So all his test does is tell you that you're human [00:45:00] you get a positive I don't know what the negative means Maybe you're not human If you get a positive it means that they've ratcheted it up to have a number of replications to get enough virus so the test is completely meaningless And what has happened is the numbers are meaningless We don't know what they mean And yet at the same time I really don't want to create the impression that we think this is a bad case of the flu or it's because the PCR test doesn't work that we're seeing this illness people have said to us Oh you're so heartless that you're saying that people aren't getting sick We're not saying that people are getting sick It's a very serious disease Autopsies of people who've had this disease show complete disintegration of the lungs It's a terrible death And we are not very optimistic about what's going to happen Tom is predicting [00:46:00] 20 to 50 million deaths worldwide from this And unless we focus on what's really causing this we're not going to solve it And to say it's a infectious virus--and that's the heartless thing because it was actually never is not going to solve the problem for us In fact social separation the poverty the stress the masks All make things worse the masks especially because they create hypoxia lack of oxygen They're Very unhealthy to wear And employees are being forced to wear these masks Whereas OSHA the safety agency says that employees should not have to wear masks because they're dangerous So we're stepping over all kinds of health and safety legislation to force people to wear masks the numbers are meaningless It doesn't mean people aren't getting sick It just means we don't know exactly who's getting sick and we're [00:47:00] not doing the right epidemiology on this we should be finding out whether people who get sick have metal in their bodies I think I said that earlier we should find out what they're eating We should find out what their exposure has been and we're not doing that We're just saying Oh they caught it from somebody else [00:47:18] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah and it's easiest thing in the world To divert to the concept of the virus It's so ingrained And it's a knee-jerk reaction you've contracted something You've caught something [00:47:26] Sally Fallon Morell: Something for somebody else So it makes everybody an enemy as Tom says we are under a spell We are under a spell And at the end of the book we talk about the fairy tale of sleeping beauty Who is falling asleep The whole palace has fallen asleep and everything is surrounded by briars and thorns and the everyone who's tried to reach her has died And the Prince says I am not afraid of this And as he approaches the castle all the briars fall away and he can reach the [00:48:00] princess So We need to stop being afraid That's number one And if anything is contagious it's fear We know that from this whole concept of resonance in fact the concept of resonance is really helping us explain why it is that emotion seemed to have effects on other people if you're with somebody who's very cheerful and And happy It makes you cheerful and happy If you're with depressed morbid morose people it has a deflating effect on you Every cell in your body all the genetic material in your body are antennas broadcasting all the time [00:48:44] Brendan D. Murphy: Yup Yup And it gives you pause to consider the role of the media you're talking about fear as contagious and look at what the media does it's just pure fear porn right It's just programming us It's psychological terrorism on a global scale [00:48:56] Sally Fallon Morell: That's exactly right It's psychological terrorism [00:49:00] And the first thing we need to do is be skeptical and I know you're not supposed to be skeptical. You're supposed to believe what everybody says to you. I can't tell you how many people have chided me for being so skeptical. [00:49:15] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah. Skepticism is a healthy thing when it's applied. [00:49:24] Sally Fallon Morell: It's protective. [00:49:26] Brendan D. Murphy: And it's not used as a knee-jerk defensive reaction, which is what the believers in the narrative are doing when we say, "Actually, we've looked at the evidence and it's not adding up," and they're going, "Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist." [00:49:35] Sally Fallon Morell: Having been in this field for so many years, I can tell you there's lots of conspiracies out there. I a certainly believe in conspiracies. I know about the conspiracy to get us to eat vegetable oils and processed food. I know about this conspiracy against cholesterol. I know about the conspiracy to make us take these terrible drugs called statins. I'm very [00:50:00] familiar with conspiracies. I see how they work. And then there's political conspiracy, all kinds of conspiracies. [00:50:06] But I always like to remind people that these are just like little irritating insects. These are like a bunch of gnats compared to the real conspiracy. And what is the real conspiracy? It's the conspiracy to make us perfect. And all of the things that are going on today are actually part of that big conspiracy, because this is trying to wake us up. What's going on here? What's being done to us. [00:51:05] [00:51:00] Brendan D. Murphy: We're going to wrap this episode up, Sally. Where can people get the book, and what are your [00:52:00] final thoughts? [00:52:07] Sally Fallon Morell: Okay, here it is. The Contagion Myth. In [00:53:00] the States it's Books-A-Million, drtomcowan.com, actually Simon and Schuster has it--they are our distributor. If you just Google the book, you'll find where it's at, but I do want to just appeal to your listeners. There are several places that are giving free downloads of the book, and that's a breach of copyright. And we ask you, please, if you're going to. obtain this book, that you actually pay for it, because otherwise the writers don't get paid. [00:53:49] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah, exactly. We need to be remunerated for our valiant efforts. [00:53:54] Sally Fallon Morell: Yes. [00:53:55] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah, beautiful, Sally. So thanks so much. It's been very interesting having you here and great to connect with [00:54:00] you. Maybe one day we'll get you back on. I'd love to have you back on to explore whatever else we haven't heard enough. [00:54:06] Sally Fallon Morell: We can talk about Nourishing Traditions. [00:54:09] Brendan D. Murphy: Yeah, exactly. That's a whole other thing in itself. There's at least one episode there. So ladies and gents, I'm going to have to wrap it up with Sally Fallon, and thank her so much for joining us, and we'll be back for another episode of Truthiverse on Healthy Life Radio in a week. [00:54:19] I'll see you then. [00:55:00]