[Show Intro] Jala Hey, thanks for coming! I'm glad you're here. Come on in! Everyone's out on the patio right now. Looks like a couple of people are in the garden. I can't wait to introduce you! Can I get you anything? [turned away] Hey folks, our new guest is here! [Intro music] 00:00:03.18 Adelaide um So, as like in the remake, um as since again like this is another part that's changed because Alex doesn't have ah access to magic. um it's just like a hard zone and they don't allow you to, the restriction is they don't allow you to use items. So you're basically, you're kind of trying to manage your MP as you go through using Luna primarily as a healer, but there are people that are stationed every like couple of floors, I think that will give you a full recovery, but you can only utilize them once on your way through. So you kind of have to be a little bit strategic about like, you know, 00:00:42.76 Adelaide how you're how you're expending your MP and it's less important for Luna because she has a higher MP like pull to pull pull from but um since Alex at this point still has pretty low MP you really have to be careful about like it's one of the few times I feel like in the game where you really have to be careful about like oh I'm saving my magic to take out like the big the big enemy so I can just like use regular attacks on the other ones 00:01:10.34 Jala right right and um the very first guy that heals you when you first get into the cave of trial will heal you infinitely um but you have to track all the way back there now that's not as bad in the remake version because in the remake um you know like you don't you once you kill everything they're gone um so although do they respond when you change floors 00:01:17.98 Adelaide um 00:01:31.37 Adelaide Right. 00:01:36.36 Adelaide I don't think they respond when you change floors, but if you leave a location and come back in, they do. 00:01:36.40 Jala i 00:01:42.57 Jala Okay, so, so yeah that that would just be an irritation of having to walk back like the tax of having to walk back there ah in the ah original version of course because it's random battles you can get hit anywhere so 00:01:55.95 Adelaide Yeah, yeah yeah. 00:01:56.89 Jala um so i think it's just better in that version that you just stock up on some uh star lights and move on down the road and just use because like in the original version again like you have healing stuff and whatever so like you're relying more on items and like your own skills So, um, I did not mention, uh, we, I mentioned the bronze dogs. I did not mention the truffle trouble or the other and boss enemy in this area. So, um, the bronze drugs dogs can be tricky because Alex can only hit one of them at a time. 00:02:28.90 Adelaide Yeah. 00:02:29.32 Jala And there's four of them and they're on either side of you. But if you manage them correctly and and you're trying to take out one at a time and you focus fire and you also sometimes like in the original game, you do have to use that defense. ah tactic to relocate Alex somewhere in order to like live you know because you get ganged up on if you get caught in a corner or something you can really get yourself messed up so you actually do use that defense mechanism to reposition him ah more often in the original game. 00:02:53.69 Adelaide yeah 00:03:04.89 Jala And um yeah, like the cave of trial, if you are not at least level 14, when you get the flamer spell, which attacks all the enemies becomes ah like tough. um Because like, ah like I said, if you're at the bronze dogs and you've got only the one flame spell, you know, like that's, that's really hard. It's doable, but it's very hard to do. 00:03:24.03 Adelaide Right. 00:03:25.14 Jala um And then if you are not at least level 20 when you reach the final boss of the cave, the Truffle Troubler, you have an even harder time because at level 20 in the original game, you gain the Blazing Fire spell, which is a heavier hitting single target spell. So um yeah, the the remake, the magic resistance angle um is removed because like Alex doesn't have magic. So the restriction is on the items, as you've mentioned. So, um you know, like it's still conservation. 00:03:56.05 Jala It's still a tricky area. And it's really, it feels like the first real test. I mean, like I know the sewers were there. 00:04:03.30 Adelaide Yeah. 00:04:03.50 Jala ah This feels like more of a test. 00:04:06.64 Adelaide It's interesting. like I feel like in the original game, that's definitely the truth. like the The sewers were easier in the OG, and this the Cave of Trials is harder. 00:04:11.27 Jala Yeah. 00:04:16.85 Adelaide But in the remake, I feel like the reverse is true. Actually, the sewers were a lot harder for me, and especially that ah boss battle. um Because basically, you just have Alex doing a attacks and then Luna healing. um And in this part, um actually ended up being a little bit easier for me just because I feel like 00:04:38.28 Jala and him 00:04:40.60 Adelaide I don't tend to lean on healing items particularly often anyway because I am of the weird like JRPG brain that says don't use consumables ever. 00:04:44.71 Jala Mmhmm. 00:04:52.28 Adelaide um ah So I was used to ah you know just using Luna for all of my healing primarily anyway. 00:04:52.50 Jala Yeah. 00:05:00.62 Adelaide So that really wasn't a big change for me. The only like real tricky part about it that is you're locked into a location. 00:05:08.08 Jala Right, right. So um the sewers, some of the things that make it more difficult are because the sewer section in the remake is so long. 00:05:16.66 Adelaide Yeah, oddly, like a couple of more screens are added added to it for some reason. 00:05:21.81 Jala And by the by the end of those screens, in order to make it through OK, I ended up just running away from people. quite a like they Like those little um fireball puffy looking things. 00:05:31.14 Adelaide sir 00:05:32.17 Jala by the By the time I saw them, I'm like, I'm not burning my items. I know I'm near the end of this. 00:05:36.65 Adelaide Yeah. 00:05:36.88 Jala We're just going to go. yeah I mean, like after after I beat the the final boss of the dungeon or whatever, then I would backtrack and do some of that, but like not on the way there. 00:05:38.46 Adelaide Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:05:47.48 Jala you know 00:05:48.40 Adelaide Yeah. 00:05:48.57 Jala but But yeah, like I feel like the original game really does have it where um it's it's more of a struggle bus only if you are not at the right level. 00:05:56.28 Adelaide Yeah. 00:05:56.98 Jala um But since you're in random battles, you basically just have to fight the battles as they come up. And if you do, then you should be of the appropriate level when you get to where you go. It's kind of like in the remake, as long as you clear everything on all the screens, you shouldn't really have to grind. But, you know, some of those areas are very difficult and you may have to leave and come back and then do the whole thing over again and clear the entire map, you know, um in some areas, at least partially. 00:06:20.57 Adelaide Yeah or yeah or oftentimes I feel like and you know this is obviously a commentary on and the issue of like having samey random encounters or you know enemy like having a big difference between like mob encounters and boss encounters is like oftentimes it's not even that like they're too hard or like there's friction it's just i don't wanna like i don't wanna keep seeing the battle screen i just wanna go to the next thing yeah yeah 00:06:48.17 Jala Yeah. Right. Right and it would have been a lot better if they had just had fewer of the instances even if they were more difficult but they get did again give you like those better rewards then it would have been fine you know like that would have been worth the payoff and then the battles would be more interesting to focus on have less of them but have them be of a higher difficulty level or what have you have them be longer um and then that way it's it's kind of on more of a 00:07:15.95 Adelaide Mhmm. 00:07:19.58 Jala I don't know like an epic feeling scale not like a oh damn here's some more of those guys here's some more rats I have to take out or whatever so so yeah um moving right along once you get through an either version and you end up in vain you get to ah like wander around vain and do whatever you want 00:07:21.75 Adelaide Mhmm. Right. 00:07:32.97 Adelaide Mhmm. 00:07:37.51 Jala ah You can also go to the Guild Hall and meet Lamia Ausa, as well as Galleon, who are two of the four heroes. So in the original version, the Library of Vayne had a lot of books that had a lot of backstory. 00:07:52.57 Adelaide Mm-hmm. 00:07:52.88 Jala now in the remake version, the library of vein is still there. But if you read all the books, there's only like a couple of them that have some of that information. 00:08:00.09 Adelaide Hmm, okay. 00:08:01.90 Jala It's not there. Like it's not as much, it's more jokey nonsense stuff than it is anything else. 00:08:03.49 Adelaide Huh. 00:08:07.06 Adelaide Ah, yeah. 00:08:07.74 Jala But like, say for example, Just some of the things that you have from the original game's thing, like the the library, is some that, say, for example, you know the the frontier lies beyond the light of the goddess. And it looks like the planet originally did, which is you know a moon surface. 00:08:28.56 Adelaide Yeah. 00:08:29.30 Jala They were forced to live there beyond the border 500 years ago after some of their kind tormented the humans and other races. And before that, the Mazuku or Vile tribe wandered around Lunar. And ah the library in vain says Althea made Lunar habitable with her magic, but it also says that the first dragon master further sculpted the land with the magic of the dragon tribe. That is not something you hear at all in the remake. 00:08:57.33 Adelaide yeah 00:08:58.59 Jala And it also says, there were once machines everywhere, and people ruined the world with them, obliterating everything. So this is post-apocalyptic, like you know this this happened. 00:09:07.75 Adelaide right which uh 00:09:09.79 Jala And it's funny because like you learn in Lunar 2 that, and you learn this right at the very beginning of the game, um that the blue star used to be basically Earth, and it was destroyed by you know humans, but also some other outside and you know influences. 00:09:26.06 Adelaide -huh 00:09:26.36 Jala And then that's when Althena came to Lunar, but then they came to Lunar with all their tech and stuff. That's why they have that spaceship, which is the goddess tower, right? 00:09:34.07 Adelaide ahha 00:09:34.50 Jala um But then they use that tech and then ended up fucking everything up so bad that they got sent back into the dark age. 00:09:39.67 Adelaide Mmm. Aha. 00:09:42.57 Jala And now they're relying on magic and Althena as a result. So um at this time in the game, the machines are on the rise again. That's why you see them in use with the Mazoku. 00:09:53.35 Adelaide Right. 00:09:53.70 Jala um That's how you see you know some machines here and there throughout the game being used. You also see like a tavern in Moribia that has an espresso machine. And there's ah literally a a little sprite for it. And the owner wants to turn it into a coffee house. And you also hear about Vane's airship. And the airship is something that shows up in a comic that is based on like it never came out in the U.S., but it's a comic. The vein, the story of inheritance, which talks about so vain itself, but focuses on galleon and what happened when he was younger and how he learned some of the stuff that he did. 00:10:25.14 Adelaide Mm. 00:10:33.61 Jala So 00:10:33.74 Adelaide Mm. 00:10:34.60 Jala um i I'll go back and I'll go into more of that in just a second. Just put a pin in that Vayne had an airship and the galleon is involved and he has a lot to do with Vayne more than just what you think. But the library of Vayne in the original game also states there was once a magic empire that had a lot of power but sought to dominate the world. So Althea cried her tears and purged the world in a great flood, causing Vayne to rise above the clouds to escape the deluge. 00:11:06.28 Jala and the whereabouts of the remnants of this empire are unknown. So like it gives you a lot of extra backstory and history that you don't get in the remake at all. 00:11:15.15 Adelaide Yeah. and That's, that's kind of too bad. I mean, I understand them like cutting out the bit about like the Dragon Master using magic right because in in the remake Dragon Masters don't get magic but like um it is too bad that they cut out the other stuff because there is and like you know it's one of those things where you know I don't need everything explained to me but like I am genuinely curious about the world and the setting because it is interesting to have to like come across those more highly technological elements and be like, well, these seem kind of anachronistic for like the rest of the world. 00:11:52.37 Adelaide And and like very obviously in the end, like you know Athena, ah in the remake at least, because it takes DNA from like Eternal blue like they they like definitely explicitly state like Athena is like an alien She's from you know, the blue star the goddess tower turns into a giant spaceship at the end So like, you know there there is a little bit of that sort of baked into the way the story plays out But like the bit about the Magic Empire Seems weird to cut out because like the main Yeah ah the main 00:12:26.08 Jala magic empire or emperor or magic emperor galleon like you know where did that come from well it's because he's referring to this thing that actually happened in the past so yeah 00:12:33.93 Adelaide Right, yeah. 00:12:36.33 Jala Yeah, so um in the the vein, the story and a story of inheritance, which you can read a translated version of online. I will put a link in the show notes. um You learned that Galleon was born in vain and also that the vile tribe or the Mazuku completely were the only people living on vain originally and the humans came there and you know, eventually the visitors that fell in love with vain ended up staying, which would be humans. And then the humans started to overpopulate, um you know, and and kind of drive out the Mazuku. 00:13:10.59 Jala And, you know, too to the point that like, at this point in in time, now that we're in this game, Galleon is the only one, the only Mazuku left in vain. 00:13:19.31 Adelaide Right. 00:13:20.00 Jala And um also he learned he ends up finishing building an airship that shows up in in the um original game. The airship that you come across um comes from Vayne. 00:13:32.68 Adelaide Okay. 00:13:32.94 Jala He was the one who built that. off of like his brother's plans. 00:13:35.85 Adelaide Hmm. 00:13:37.86 Jala His brother had died um and and there there was a whole, whole thing. You can you can read the comic for that. But ah because he learned how to make that dirigible, he was able to learn the magic dynamics needed to make the grindery move. And he is the one who enchanted the grindery. 00:13:52.84 Adelaide Ah. Interesting. 00:13:55.29 Jala Like the parts were made by the inventor, Taben, but Galleon is the one who figured out how to get it to go. 00:14:02.07 Adelaide Interesting. 00:14:03.27 Jala So he also studied divinity magic, which is how he's able to wield power over Althena. So, you know, like that's something that never gets talked about. 00:14:09.31 Adelaide That makes sense. 00:14:13.71 Jala Like how the hell is he able to do that? 00:14:14.15 Adelaide Yeah. 00:14:16.19 Jala Well, it's covered in that comic that never came to the US. So ah there you go. 00:14:19.99 Adelaide Gotcha. 00:14:21.12 Jala There's some extra insider info that you would not know otherwise. But yeah, so how about you lead us into talking about like the Magic Guild coming across Galleon and le mia and seeing Mia for the first time? 00:14:35.80 Adelaide So in the original I think you just come across her in a tower while you're wandering around and It's the it's the tower that you're you're like not allowed to Progress in right you just like when you try and climb a floor it dumps you back down at the bottom um And she's just hanging out there like worried about her mom um Who has you know been acting uncharacteristically as of late 00:14:54.12 Jala Uh-huh. 00:14:58.06 Jala Yeah. Yeah. And and right. 00:15:07.61 Adelaide um in the In the remake, it's pretty similar except that since Luna travels with you, ah Nash basically meets you guys at the at the teleporter into vain and is like, oh, well, I have to take Luna to talk to Galleon right away. So they go and do that. There's a little side scene with Galleon and Luna where she's like waiting in the waiting room and she hears him playing an instrument and he and she walks out and you know finds him looking all studingly gorgeous, ah sitting poolside with his weird like cello guitar thing. um And the the it's so funny, like ah to me at least, as a person who is like 00:15:56.21 Adelaide ah ah kind of like analytically brained and like is always looking out for like signs and and like tropes and stuff like galleon is so villain coded that it's almost laughable that they treat his like turn as a as a ah as a reveal because, like, his voice actor is definitely doing, like, kind of like a Snape voice. 00:16:19.70 Jala Mm hmm. 00:16:19.70 Adelaide ah Like, he's very, he's, oh, yes, very droll and oh, I'm so, your beautiful singing is so wonderful, Luna, you know, kind of thing. 00:16:32.48 Jala Right, right. 00:16:33.33 Adelaide ah and And one of the, there's like a weird little inconsistency that I noticed while I was watching back through the, um back through the footage where like Luna sitting in the waiting room and she hears him playing music and she thinks it's Alex, which is odd to me because like, yeah, right. 00:16:55.12 Jala It's a stringed instrument, not ah of an ocarina, right? 00:16:59.35 Adelaide Right. It would make sense in the original game, except that that scene isn't in the original game, because by that time, but Luda is already like captured by Galleon. 00:17:05.71 Jala Right. 00:17:10.51 Adelaide So it's this weird like little anachronistic thing. I do think it's a fun note though that like he's playing the the main the like title theme from the remake. um And she's like, oh, I'm surprised you know that song. And he his his justification is apparently like it's a song that Dine wrote for Athena, which I think is like kind of a cute way to sort of tie that into the world, not just have it be like you know just a title song. 00:17:44.15 Jala right well i mean like the song that they sing for the goddess festival like it's it's kind of like implied like this is some kind of a folk song of some sort that's associated with it um you know with althina but you just don't know how ah but of course in the original there isn't that love plot with dine and althina but like the way that they refer to it here in the remake it's like oh well this is a a love song that goes for the ages and no matter who althina's with this is the song like 00:17:51.92 Adelaide Mm-hmm. Right. 00:18:12.28 Adelaide Aha. 00:18:13.08 Jala Okay, cool, you know, but I mean, like, it it works with a theming, right? So um now one thing I do want to say is that I love John True, it's Galleon. 00:18:18.58 Adelaide Yeah. 00:18:23.56 Adelaide uh-huh yeah uh 00:18:23.67 Jala I know some people are not on board for whatever reason, because he's very, very um dramatic, right? Very, very dramatic. um But the original voice actor has a very deep voice. he He's one of those deep Bichonnen kind of tropey characters because, you know, like there's always that you know wiry looking thin, but very tall and, you know, um impractically tall. 00:18:42.66 Adelaide -huh 00:18:49.42 Jala ah usually usually Bishonnen character that has the very, very deep voice. that That was him. He had the very, very deep voice. 00:18:54.93 Adelaide Uh-huh. 00:18:56.12 Jala So like, if you can Google and find like, this is what galleon sounds like in Japanese, it's very, very, very different. He's not that sneering, condescending, kind of nasally, 00:19:05.21 Adelaide Hm. 00:19:07.43 Jala higher pitched mocking all the time, even when he's not being mocking, like he sounds like he's being mocking um kind of tone that you get in the American version. 00:19:12.39 Adelaide Uh-huh, yeah. 00:19:17.45 Adelaide Mm, gotcha. 00:19:17.88 Jala So, you know, um because like I imagine this scene in the original Japanese is probably um a lot more affecting where you're like, you know, if you are a girl playing this game, you're like, oh, my heart's a flutter, just like Luna, because, you know, the Bichonnen with the Bichonnen voice that I've been taught, that's the voice that the Bichonnen has. 00:19:35.23 Adelaide I heard. Yeah. 00:19:37.70 Jala You know, especially since all the other guy characters in this entire thing just suck, you know So it's like this is like the one guy character that you can be like, okay. 00:19:45.26 Adelaide Yeah. 00:19:47.99 Adelaide Uh-huh. 00:19:48.05 Jala I like this one Damn, he's he's a villain. Ah, you know, so 00:19:51.80 Adelaide Yeah. Well, and it is funny because like in the beginning, like when she first sees him, Luda definitely gets like a blushy face. And i don't I don't know if that's supposed to like indicate that she's just like embarrassed about like wandering into, you know, a place and finding a person where she doesn't really know what's going on or if it is supposed to be like, oh, dang, this guy is like super hot. 00:20:15.58 Jala I don't know. I mean, I've gone back and forth on that exact same question myself because she very much loves Alex. But at the same time, I mean, like she's from a little but she's from Berg, okay, it's in the name of the place that she's from. 00:20:25.79 Adelaide Yeah. 00:20:28.06 Jala So like in her lifetime, she has never seen a man like as, you know, hot man to be like, Oh, wow. 00:20:31.86 Adelaide Right. Yeah. 00:20:34.96 Jala Like she grew up next to this other guy that she's fallen in love with over time. And like, they lived in the same house all their lives. So like, it's a very different kind of thing for her to come across somebody that she's like, Oh, he's physically attractive. So, you know, I think that's really like more queuing for the audience. If there's any girls in the audience, by the way, this is the one finger guns, you know, so, so 00:20:54.90 Adelaide ahha yeah Yeah, for sure. um So while she's ah meeting Galian for the first time, the perspective switchbacks over switches back over to Alex and Nal. And ah again, you get that point where you can kind of wander around vain and talk to people, upgrade your equipment. But eventually what the game wants you to do is wander into Mia's bedroom. ah 00:21:16.42 Jala Yeah, not weird at all. 00:21:17.83 Adelaide not weird at all and like shockingly un and she's unperturbed by it and I kind of like I kind of get the character motivation because like Mia as a character is very secluded. She's the, um the gildness just says daughter. She's not allowed to leave vain really. She doesn't, she even says like in her little intro sequence, like we haven't seen outsiders in so long. 00:21:44.61 Jala Yeah. 00:21:44.81 Adelaide um So like I get her being excited about new people, but it is a little bit weird. um 00:21:50.40 Jala Well, the way that I look at it is that as the guild mistresses daughter, she probably has her mom or like caretakers who just come in and just do stuff all the time. 00:21:59.70 Adelaide Mm-hmm Yeah 00:22:01.09 Jala And she's just used to people just barging into her room because she's the head mistresses or the guild mistresses daughter, you know, and like having stuff that she needs to attend to and this, that and the other and then therefore like never having her own privacy. 00:22:15.29 Adelaide Well, and especially, you know, slight spoilers for what the reveal is with her mom, but considering that at this point she's already been replaced, like it would also behoove the bad guys to keep Mia very in the dark about everything that's happening, right? 00:22:33.79 Jala Right, right. 00:22:35.74 Adelaide Yeah, so you have a little, you talked to her Nall immediately is like, hey, you should come on our journey with us. ah 00:22:44.51 Jala Yeah, like when you see her, she's like in her bedroom, she's crying and she's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And she wipes away her tears and kind of like puts her face back on for you and everything. 00:22:52.89 Adelaide Right, yeah. 00:22:54.18 Jala But like, you know, from the very first time that you see Mia, you get this impression that she's very fragile and very, you know, gentle and, you know, sheltered and this, that and the other, which is really important because she's one of the characters who has probably the most growth in the entire game. She might be the only one that has that that much growth, actually. 00:23:13.11 Adelaide Yeah. 00:23:14.48 Jala Um, so like, that sets you up for your expectations so that later those can be flipped on their head. 00:23:22.20 Adelaide Yeah. 00:23:22.23 Jala And then you see how strong she really is. So, uh, but at this point, you know, uh, she's very gentle and soft and all takes a real big shine to her. Just loves her. Like you said, you come on our adventure with us and all of this mess. So, um, yeah. 00:23:38.73 Adelaide Uh, as you're talking to her, um, you know, i mean Nash comes in and finds you and gets all flustered because Nash has a giant crush on Mia. Uh, but he doesn't know how to express, uh, his emotions in a healthy manner. Um, so he just gets angry and it's like, we have to go talk to Gillian now. 00:23:52.58 Jala right yeah and you know this is unbecoming you have to treat her with respect and we love the guild you know like that's that's how he puts everything i we love the guild not we love the person who runs the guild you know or whatever 00:24:03.14 Adelaide Right. 00:24:10.77 Adelaide Right, yeah. um So, you know, he takes you back to Galleon and in both versions you have a scene where Galleon's like, hey, like it's super cool that you want to be a Dragon Master, but we can't just like let you join out of nowhere. So we got this report um from a fishing village that there's another Dragon Master um who's kind of like exploiting the village and stealing fish and money and you know obviously you can't we can't have like a bad guy Dragon Master so you should go like check that out and you know if you do that successfully then we'll we'll let you in the guild um and in the remake again like there's another moment where 00:24:55.30 Adelaide galleon is like hey like maybe don't you know don't be a dragon master like it's it's really difficult and then like i think this is another um this is another moment where he's like you know the point of a dragon master is to be powerful not like compassionate uh kind of thing sure oh 00:25:12.23 Jala right so yeah there's a couple of other notes i want to make about this scene too so um first off i i think his name is glum in the original like gallian has a little assistant guy who only exists in one one moment to tell you the mission And I think his name is glum or grim or something like that in the original game and he does not exist in the remake I was so sad ah props props for him, ah but anyway and Also in the remake galleon comes in from like the the door that leads out to that patio area where he was all you know being sexy by the pool or whatever and And so like when you know he comes in and Luna's like, oh my God, you're oh my god you're you're that guy. 00:25:35.89 Adelaide catchcha Yeah. 00:25:58.01 Adelaide Right. Yeah. 00:25:59.36 Jala And she was having like a wig out moment there for a minute, um which that was very funny as well. 00:26:01.58 Adelaide Uh-huh. 00:26:05.38 Jala And in the original game, they do have a part where Galleon is like, You're really talented at magic, aren't you are you? Are you sure you don't want to just join the guild and stay here and study magic? He does say that in the original, but the extra stuff where they're underlining dragon mustards and power like that, that gets said later, like at a different point. 00:26:23.61 Adelaide Yeah. 00:26:24.93 Jala So like all the dialogue is still there more or less. 00:26:26.20 Adelaide Mhm. 00:26:28.20 Jala It's just in different spots and kind of spread out, not like all bam, bam, bam in one conversation. So. 00:26:34.09 Adelaide Yeah. um So you head off to Lon, which is the fishing village where the fake dragon master is. And when you get there, you meet Jessica, who is Mel's daughter. um i don't I don't remember. Do they actually, does she like say that or do you find that out later when you see them together? 00:26:57.02 Jala Um, I know that she says that she's a priestess of Althea and the thing is, is that when you go see Mel, Mel says, my daughter, Jessica. 00:27:01.74 Adelaide Right. 00:27:06.77 Adelaide Oh, that's right. 00:27:07.28 Jala And then if you go to the, um, Althea shrine before you meet Jessica in land. The at at the shrine they'll be like jessica's not here because he'll say oh, you know like mel will say Oh, she's studying magic over at the shrine She's studying to be a priestess at the shrine or whatever. 00:27:18.51 Adelaide Oh, okay. 00:27:24.61 Jala So you go to the shrine looking for her, but she's not there She's absconded somewhere and then like by the way if you in the original game go to land she's not in land until You actually meet her there. 00:27:24.69 Adelaide Right. 00:27:36.77 Jala So like you cannot meet her early is what i'm trying to say. 00:27:37.11 Adelaide Sure. Yeah. 00:27:40.38 Adelaide Gotcha. 00:27:40.43 Jala So um But yeah, she's on top of the table and yelling at everyone. 00:27:46.34 Adelaide Yeah. Yeah. 00:27:46.75 Jala Crime Jessica material here. 00:27:48.63 Adelaide um Jessica is going to be your secondary healer, a primary healer, well no I guess secondary healer even in the original because in the original Alex gets healing magic too but ah she's yeah going to be your secondary healer and kind of secondary damage dealer too. um In terms of personality she's I think she's a really fun character just because she gets to like she's She's a female character that gets to be very like boisterous and have a big personality. you know i i think her having like so Her dad being a pirate and kind of like a like a rust about ah really like comes through in the way that her personality expresses because there's this like duality between her being 00:28:34.86 Adelaide you know, sort of like soft and demure around her father. But like outside of his influence, she is, you know, very boisterous and sort of like a like a rust about kind of like her dad is. 00:28:49.02 Jala Right, right. And the thing that um they they kind of come around to telling you is that Mel thinks of Jessica like sees in Jessica, his wife, because, you know, his wife was apparently very sweet and in all of those other things that Jessica embodies around her father. 00:28:59.30 Adelaide Yes. 00:29:07.80 Jala And so, like, ah you do find out and and she is this way in both games. She is super fiery, but she also is very sensitive and emotional and always considering people and worrying after them and things like that. So she's very sweet, but she's also just got a very big temper and she's not going to be you know pushed around. And she's also you know not going to take anybody's shit. 00:29:29.96 Adelaide Yeah 00:29:33.51 Jala So um as a result of all of that, though, um you know, as the game progresses, her arc is kind of like accepting, you know, trying to find out, OK, which is the real her, but then coming to grips with the fact that no, all of this is me. Actually, I can be a complex person, you know, and I can accept that I am both my father. 00:29:48.51 Adelaide Yeah. 00:29:54.98 Jala I take from my father and my mother and I am both of those things, you know, so. 00:29:59.07 Adelaide Yeah. 00:30:01.05 Jala Yeah, but here she's all fire and everyone is scared of her, but they also aren't going to do anything about the Dragon Master Zok. 00:30:01.73 Adelaide Yeah. 00:30:09.79 Adelaide yeah um So in the remake, it's a little bit different because you have to do this awful section in the checkpoint where another character that you'll get as a party member later, Kyle, is. 00:30:22.62 Jala Oh, yeah, that's right. You have to go through the checkpoint to get there. 00:30:25.83 Adelaide Yeah, so it makes you do this section where like, so Kyle and Jessica are kind of like constant quarreling a couple. ah 00:30:34.83 Jala right and at this point they're broken up 00:30:35.80 Adelaide sir Yeah. they and And you kind of get the sense from talking to people that this is pretty common. They're kind of like off again, on again, ah boyfriend and girlfriend. um So like you have to get to the checkpoint and then ah you find out that Kyle has gotten drunk or you're not allowed to go through the checkpoint too long. until you have his say so because he's like the the head of the checkpoint. 00:31:00.56 Jala Right. And at this point, they're broken up. 00:31:05.10 Adelaide So you have to like find him around the ah around the checkpoint at various points um because he's gotten so first you find him drunk in one of the towers and you talk to him and he's just drunk and then you talk to his friend and They're like, oh, blah, blah, blah. um like he's He's in a fight with Jessica. And you basically, the way that you progress is you have to kind of chase him around to different locations in the checkpoint int until you're finally able to like get get him to give you the go-ahead to pass through. But um it's really frustrating because in terms of like gameplay, um it's frustrating because like it's not very clear 00:31:51.35 Adelaide what you need to do to progress his like movement. So sometimes it's like you just talk to Kyle. Sometimes it's like you have to talk to him, leave the screen, talk to to an NPC nearby, and then like they'll say, oh, Kyle is you know probably sleeping off his drunk. And so you go down to the the basement where the beds are, and then you see Talk to sleeping Kyle and then you talk to someone in the kitchen and they're like oh when Kyle gets really drunk we lock him up in the cells and then you have to leave the basement come back down and talk to the person standing in front of the cells and it's this whole like convoluted section that literally just like takes time there's no point to it I mean I guess 00:32:34.07 Jala Right. 00:32:36.02 Adelaide I guess like you know if I'm being ah kind about it, like the idea is to give you like a little bit of characterization earlier for Kyle, but like it's so it's such a nothing part of the game that I really, really wish they had just like taken it out. 00:32:49.99 Jala Right. 00:32:52.99 Jala Well, it blocks your progress and that's where it becomes a problem because this is not what happens in the original version. 00:32:56.74 Adelaide Yeah. 00:32:59.43 Jala In the original version, Nanza is a different place, so you don't even have to touch it when you go to the land. like You probably have seen it because you know like you're traveling this very large overworld map and you see a point on the map and you go there and check it out, but like you get bounced back 00:33:12.00 Adelaide right 00:33:14.86 Jala You know, you weren't allowed in at that point in the original and then you could just go to land. But like, you know, they're trying to set him up a little bit earlier. And um unfortunately, they make him like much worse of a character than he was in the original. Like he was tolerable. 00:33:28.19 Adelaide Right Yeah Yeah, I do feel 00:33:29.04 Jala He was fine in the original. I'm OK with him, how he was in the original. But they like they made the way they made him in the remake. I'm like, hmm, choices were made. 00:33:37.72 Adelaide I do feel like it gives him a little bit of opportunity like more opportunity for character growth later, um but I don't think it needed to come at the cost of him like starting at a much lower point in the remake. 00:33:43.27 Jala Yeah, yeah. 00:33:49.93 Jala I know to where you're like, every time I come across a man that joins my party, they suck. They're so bad. They're so bad. 00:33:56.53 Adelaide yeah 00:33:57.72 Jala It's like, you know, galleons not going to be in your party because he's not terrible. Like not terrible. Like I can't stand to see him on the screen, you know, which is how it is with Nash and and Kyle right at first. 00:34:08.58 Adelaide Oh my god, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:34:09.87 Jala So, but yeah, like this part is basically forcing you to talk to everybody in the place. And it's not that you talk to Kyle, you can't even find Kyle until he's in the cell. And what you have to do is you have to run around everywhere and get hints of where he might be and then go talk to the people around there, but you have to do it in sequence. 00:34:25.38 Adelaide Yeah. 00:34:28.62 Adelaide Yeah. 00:34:28.69 Jala And if you don't do it in sequence, then you have to like go walk around until you find the starting point to follow the breadcrumbs to go around and eventually get there. 00:34:35.48 Adelaide yeah 00:34:39.36 Jala But like it's like one person's like, oh, yeah, sometimes he goes on the roof to clear his head. So you go there. And then the the little girl's like, oh, sometimes when he's really drunk, he goes and eats something in the cafeteria. And then you go to the cafeteria. He goes to sleep it off. You go in his room. 00:34:53.74 Adelaide Right. 00:34:53.96 Jala You talk to the attendant. No, when he's this drunk, we lock him up. And then eventually, you finally come across him. He's drunk. He says some nonsense. And he's just riled up but by your presence. And so the cell keeper actually says, It wasn't Kyle that gives you the permission. The cell keeper's like, do not poke the bear. 00:35:11.26 Adelaide Oh, right. 00:35:14.19 Jala yeah you know ah We're going to just let you through because we don't want him to wake up. 00:35:14.66 Adelaide Yeah. 00:35:18.86 Jala Leave him alone. you know Let him sleep. 00:35:20.38 Adelaide Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:21.73 Jala He needs to sleep this off because he is terrible. 00:35:24.06 Adelaide Yeah. 00:35:24.34 Jala And then you go through from there. but yeah so And then you go to land. You meet Jessica. Jessica's a firebrand. um And then she's just like, You know, oh, you're here to do the same thing. Great. Then we can just team up to do this. And I need to blow off some steam because I had a fight with my former boyfriend and he sucks. 00:35:40.67 Adelaide yeah 00:35:43.60 Adelaide Uh-huh. 00:35:43.83 Jala So. 00:35:44.69 Adelaide Yeah, so you you head to the dungeon. um 00:35:48.09 Jala Well, you head to the dock, and the dock guy didn't want to let you on the boat, and you're too nice to to force him. When you have Jessica in your party, Jessica is about ready to beat him up. 00:35:57.79 Adelaide Right. 00:35:59.55 Jala And you know then he's like, OK, OK, OK, take the boat, whatever. It's fine. 00:36:04.12 Adelaide Yeah. 00:36:04.28 Jala And and then you go across to the island to go see Dragon Master Zog. 00:36:07.94 Adelaide sir And so, yeah, you just do a dungeon and you come across Zok and he's just a guy who is is friends with a giant monster toad. 00:36:16.19 Jala A guy. 00:36:20.19 Adelaide That's it, I guess. 00:36:20.89 Jala Yeah, it's just a big frog and that's what it is. 00:36:21.14 Adelaide Yeah. yeah 00:36:23.00 Jala And he's like, this is my, my dragon. Yeah. 00:36:25.79 Adelaide ahha 00:36:26.56 Jala So. 00:36:26.75 Adelaide Which is, I honestly like a little bit funny because like, ah you also like dross also has a quote unquote dragon right like but it's not a real dragon it's just like a weird sea serpent thing so so that's kind of interesting yeah uh 00:36:35.66 Jala Yeah. 00:36:41.73 Jala Which weirdly in the original version, it does look like a water dragon. Like it does look like a dragon in the original, but like, I'm glad they changed it to not a dragon also. 00:36:51.52 Adelaide -huh right yeah 00:36:51.59 Jala Cause like, otherwise you get confused. You're like, wait, I'm killing dragons, but aren't they from the dragon tribe? Aren't I a dragon master? What's going on? You know, like for clarity's sake, it's better that they made it something else. 00:37:02.27 Adelaide Yeah, for sure. um So, you know, he feels bad at your party admonishes him as like, don't don't do this stuff, don't exploit people. Nal gets particularly angry about stealing fish because one of Nal's like special interests is fish. 00:37:17.60 Jala Right. 00:37:19.51 Adelaide ah So you head back, Jessica parts ways and she says, I'm going to go back to the shrine because I'm studying to be a priestess. And you guys go back to Vayne to check in with Galleon. There's an extra scene in the remake where Fayshia meets you at the docks and she's like, oh, Uh, what are you guys doing here? What a coincidence. And, you know, your party is like, Oh, well, we were here to get rid of a, you know, fake dragon master. And she was like, Oh my God, you to me. 00:37:50.39 Adelaide I was also about to do that, but I guess you did it for me. 00:37:52.84 Jala ah Yeah. 00:37:54.06 Adelaide So I'm going to leave. And everyone's like, bye. And then like Jessica's like, who was that? And you know and Luna's like, oh, that's Phacia. She's like the head priestess of the temple. It's really strange that you don't know who she is. And like Jessica's like, yeah, I've never seen that person in my life before. 00:38:09.42 Jala Right. 00:38:13.14 Adelaide like i I don't know who that is. So that that gives you a little like fun little like foreshadowing moment for her being kind of a villain in the future. 00:38:23.32 Jala right, right. Absolutely. So you head back to vain, and it's you and Luna. 00:38:26.80 Adelaide Mmhmm. 00:38:28.11 Jala And then ah when you meet with Lamia, who's like, Oh, I i heard that, you know, like, like, Gallion will tell you, Oh, yeah, you know, like, you need to go meet with her. And all of that. So like, she's there, she's ready to receive you. Everyone's in there. It's all formal. You know, they're all lined up and waiting and such. And she's like, oh, Gallion told me all about you. ah But he neglected to mention what a filthy little archon you are. And she just takes offense that you just came out of a swamp and she throws you in the prison and all flies away. 00:38:57.28 Adelaide Aha. 00:39:01.80 Jala ah ends up fetching Mia who then breaks you out of the prison from there because she's like, I don't know what's going on with my mom. I'm sorry. This is, I don't know what's happening. 00:39:08.74 Adelaide Yeah. 00:39:09.53 Jala We need to fix my mom. I don't know what's going on. And this is like the breaking point that kind of catapults Mia into action ah at at this juncture. 00:39:17.87 Adelaide Yeah. 00:39:19.00 Jala So in the remake, it is a little bit different though, because 00:39:23.36 Adelaide Yeah, in the remake, um during that audience, she's joined by Royce, who, again, like hasn't expressly been been labeled as a villain, but looks fairly villainous combined with the... 00:39:34.33 Jala She has black lipstick and she has a like a hood and she's like, I predict these terrible things to happen to you. Like, yeah, I think i think we know what's going on here. 00:39:45.91 Adelaide And the other thing is, I don't remember if in the original version, the the real, the real Lemia is in the prison or if you can like interact. 00:39:56.48 Jala Yes, she is. 00:39:57.64 Adelaide Okay. 00:39:58.23 Jala And you can talk to her. 00:39:58.34 Adelaide So. 00:39:59.57 Jala And when you do, she's like, I i don't know who you know who I am or why I'm here. 00:40:03.24 Adelaide Yeah. 00:40:03.89 Jala And they beat me. And I don't know what's going on. And it's really, really severe. like I think in the remake, it's not nearly as dramatic as that. 00:40:11.87 Adelaide No, it I think it seems like more like it's the mask that they put on her that like causes her to lose her memories and stuff. 00:40:18.66 Jala Yeah. 00:40:21.70 Adelaide Not so much that they're like people coming in and physically abusing her as well. 00:40:27.30 Jala Yeah, like in the original version, she was being beaten and she had the mask on her face and she couldn't remember who she was. And she was in great distress, but she was also like they describe her as being filthy and all just kinds of stuff because they don't take care of her at all. They're just just, you know, ah torturing her. 00:40:44.57 Adelaide Yeah, and and notably, like if you go through the the prison area earlier and you talk to some of the guards, some people will mention, like she's been in there for a really long time and nobody really knows why or like what she did or even who she is. 00:40:45.38 Jala So. 00:41:03.20 Jala Mmhmm. 00:41:03.86 Adelaide So that that definitely implies that like the the switch has happened a fairly good time ago. 00:41:05.48 Jala Yeah. 00:41:12.24 Jala Right. Right. So and in the original version, Mia at this point asks you to go into the Silver Spire with her to go find the Mirror of Althena, which is hidden there because that will help her reveal like what's going on with her mother. 00:41:13.61 Adelaide um 00:41:27.30 Jala And in the remake, that entire dungeon is cut out. And instead, Mia has the mirror as a gift from her mother. So um this is the better version. But what's interesting about the original is that Mia uses Alex's dragon ring to open up the silver spire. 00:41:44.48 Adelaide That's right. I had forgotten about that. 00:41:46.82 Jala So I mean, like, that pulls in the dragon ring. Because otherwise, the dragon ring is totally useless, which i they they don't even give you a dragon ring in the remake, do they? 00:41:55.23 Adelaide Ah, no, there is one. I just don't think it does anything. 00:41:56.80 Jala Oh, there it is. 00:41:58.82 Adelaide I think it's one of the... 00:41:58.92 Jala I think it gives you, like, plus 1 to attack or something like that. 00:42:02.75 Adelaide Yeah. 00:42:03.16 Jala It's something nonsense. so 00:42:04.99 Adelaide Yeah. um But i do like I do like the idea that like the real Lemia gave Mia the mirror on purpose. 00:42:05.70 Jala Yeah. 00:42:13.76 Adelaide like She maybe sensed that there was something going on with Galleon or sensed that there was a plot against her and did that like as a safeguard. like 00:42:23.42 Jala Yeah. 00:42:23.56 Adelaide Oh, you know, you're going to be the only one that knows what to do with this so I can trust you. 00:42:29.20 Jala Right. Right. So after you go to get the mirror, ah then Mia asks you to go to the Crystal Tower where her mother has gone to conduct a ritual. And there is a secret entrance to the Crystal Tower in the Cave of Trials. And that is still the same. Like, Lamia is up at the top of the Crystal Tower and you have to go there. ah You just don't go into the Silver Spire at all in the remake. 00:42:52.26 Adelaide Yeah, and I think in the remake, of the Crystal Tower is part of the main guild building instead of being connected to the Cave of Trials. 00:42:58.51 Jala Yeah. 00:43:01.50 Jala Yeah, yeah, so in in the original, but i I, no, I think you actually do still go through an entrance in the Cave of Trials, because there's like a a secret way that takes you, like there's two entrances, but the one that that ah you can get to through the guild, I think is being blocked off. 00:43:20.61 Adelaide Oh, that could be. 00:43:21.83 Jala um I might be mistaken, but i I think that there's still a pathway and you end up in the cave of trials again somehow either way in both. ah Either way, like ah whether you are fighting through the cave up to the tower or whatever, when you get to the top of the tower, Mia confronts Lemia and uses the mirror only to expose that it's a disguise. It is Zenobia, the leader of the vile tribe. so um In the original version, It's just, I think it's just her in the tower. 00:43:53.18 Jala And then like afterwards, all like a galleon will come in and say, I was totally, you know, totally taken in by this, this thing. 00:43:54.57 Adelaide Yeah. 00:44:01.46 Adelaide Oh my god. 00:44:03.61 Jala I cannot believe because he's not around when the fight happens. 00:44:07.67 Adelaide Yeah. 00:44:08.35 Jala because like he can't be in the room when that's happening because otherwise he'd be expected to fight against Zenobia. 00:44:10.90 Adelaide Uh 00:44:14.67 Jala So, uh, in the remake though, I think they're all together in there. 00:44:14.74 Adelaide huh. 00:44:17.83 Jala Like they're all hanging out and then Zenobia, you know, um, sends minions after you and you defeat them. But like for some reason, everybody else for, for no particular reason, like Allian doesn't raise a finger. 00:44:24.84 Adelaide Yeah. 00:44:29.55 Jala He's just there. 00:44:31.11 Adelaide Well, so I think the way that it plays out is like the three main Vile Tribe people are there, galleons there. 00:44:31.32 Jala He's like, whoops. Uh-huh. 00:44:38.93 Adelaide They're trying to make Luna do some you know magic with her singing. 00:44:43.48 Jala Yeah. 00:44:43.66 Adelaide Your party bursts in, and they're like, oh, like you know that that stopped my mom. My mom would never do that. And if the ah Mia tries to use the mirror on. uh the fake Lemia and it doesn't work but what it does do is like break the mask on the real one she's like oh my daughter i have my memories back and then Gallion steps in and is like oh no what what's going on oh my gosh this is so i'm the smartest person in the world and even i couldn't have figured this out and and then all three of them get their like villain reveal where they uh 00:45:15.99 Jala Right? 00:45:23.14 Adelaide You know, they get their animated cutscene where they ah magical girl into their sexy forms and they're like, ha ha ha, you guys are stupid. We were filed tried the whole time. 00:45:34.03 Jala Right. 00:45:35.01 Adelaide And then they throw minions at you and run away. 00:45:37.36 Jala Right, right. So after all of that is done. ah that Now, Lemia, when she gets her memories back, she kind of gets them back. 00:45:45.08 Adelaide Yeah. 00:45:45.21 Jala She's not 100 percent. She is very worn out. She's very, you know, like weak and confused and like trying to remember stuff. But it's like it's only in pieces and fragments at this point. So like Lemia is totally broken. And so Mia really wants to to stay there to help her mother in the meantime. 00:46:05.70 Adelaide Right. 00:46:05.94 Jala So she and Nash leave her party, leave your party. And meanwhile, Galian is like, this is some shit. We've got to go talk to Quark. We've got to see if if we can talk to Quark so we can obtain power to fight Zenobia. 00:46:15.34 Adelaide Aha. Yeah. 00:46:20.52 Jala and the vile tribe. So that's Galleon's excuse. is um and And then in the remake, it's like you mentioned, a little bit different. um But ah yeah. 00:46:32.84 Adelaide the main The main difference there besides the ritual scene is like you get a little, I feel like it's, you get a little bit more time like with Galian alone. um There's specifically a scene on the boat where he does the same thing where he's like, oh, like, you know. you're You're such a cool and brave guy. like why why Why do you want to be a Dragon Master? And and Alex is like, oh, well, I want to you know protect the people I love, obviously. um And Galleon is like, tsk, tsk, tsk. 00:47:05.79 Adelaide That's not what a Dragon Master is for. 00:47:08.30 Jala Mhmm. 00:47:09.06 Adelaide you know you're One day, you're going to have to choose between at the the needs of the many and and your your emotions. And that's that's going to be a hard choice for you. you know He does that thing again. 00:47:19.89 Jala Yeah. Right, right. Because they're underlining, hey, he's a villain. Hey, he this is his philosophy, which doesn't match yours. 00:47:24.86 Adelaide Yeah. 00:47:28.63 Adelaide Right. 00:47:28.83 Jala Hey, you're going to have to butt heads with this guy at some point or another. 00:47:32.95 Adelaide Yeah. 00:47:33.02 Jala But in the original version, Gallion says, OK, I'll meet you in Moribia. So you go see Mel and Jessica in Moribia. Jessica's like, we don't know each other. Stop talking to us. Like, you know, stop talking to me like you know me. No, no. you know 00:47:49.47 Adelaide Yeah. 00:47:49.76 Jala Because Noel's like, hey, Jessica. And ah anyway, you stay there at the night, ah stay there for the night. And then that's when Alex has his nightmare that something terrible is happening to Luna. And um yeah, in the remake, it's a Luna who has the nightmare here. 00:48:06.85 Adelaide Yeah, she's still with you Yeah, it's it's flashes of a cutscene we'll get to see in full lately or later in the game But like it's you know a man Holding a baby with blue hair is basically it so 00:48:07.57 Jala The recurring dream. Yeah, it's the recurring dream that she had on the boat coming over to the mainland. 00:48:28.48 Jala Yeah. Which, of course, this baby, Luna. Yeah. 00:48:32.12 Adelaide Right. Yeah. 00:48:32.47 Jala So. 00:48:33.29 Adelaide The man is definitely a Dragon Master. We know it's obviously going to be dying later, but he is wearing the Dragon Master armor. 00:48:39.90 Jala Yeah. 00:48:42.39 Jala Yeah, so in the original game, you backtrack all the way down to Berg, you stop and then everybody's excited if you go in Berg and bring Galleon around to see the parents and stuff. 00:48:50.16 Adelaide Mm hmm. 00:48:53.54 Jala And um otherwise, like most of the people in town are like, we haven't seen you since Dine died. 00:48:58.58 Adelaide Mm hmm. 00:48:58.93 Jala and ah Either way, you go to the cave, you come across Quark, and then you find out the galleon is deeply embittered that his best friend Dine died protecting the goddess. 00:49:04.59 Adelaide Yes. 00:49:10.93 Adelaide Yeah. 00:49:11.16 Jala A part of me died that black day. 00:49:13.93 Adelaide Gallyun is doing no no effort in covering up his villainy at this point. he's He's pretty over it. 00:49:21.95 Jala Well, I mean, like at this particular point, he's about to do a deed. So, you know, like he's he's this is his big reveal moment. 00:49:25.46 Adelaide Yeah. 00:49:28.22 Jala So it's like leading up to it and trying to give you his justifications along the way. So um he ends up saying he wants to have the power of Althena so that he can rule the world in her stead as the magic emperor. And in that to that end, in order to weaken the magic protecting her, he kills Quark and runs away. 00:49:42.04 Adelaide Yeah. 00:49:49.08 Jala So ah this is very different in the remake. 00:49:51.88 Adelaide Yeah in the remakes it kind of seems at least at the beginning that he wants to be the Dragon Master because instead of killing off the different ah dragons he uses his magic to like capture and subjugate them. He pretty outright says after like So after capturing Quark, he's like, oh, you know, he he gives a little backstory. He talks about like how Dine convinced Althea to take a human form and give up her divine power. 00:50:27.51 Adelaide ah He thinks that that's stupid and and humans are stupid and, you know, they should have a ruler and it should definitely be him. 00:50:33.75 Jala Yeah. 00:50:35.57 Adelaide um 00:50:35.91 Jala You're right. Right. 00:50:37.16 Adelaide uh there there is uh there's a line that again like maybe hints that there was like some sort of like love triangle where i think somebody somebody says that like galleon was jealous of what alfina and dine had that i was never sure if that meant like their ability to love each other or literally the relationship who knows 00:50:53.99 Jala Mm hmm. 00:51:02.31 Jala It could it be either that he, because like they definitely give him some like sexy energy with Luna in the remake that isn't there in the original version. 00:51:10.65 Adelaide Yeah. Yeah. 00:51:14.75 Jala um They give him real sexy energy with Luna in the remake. and um So like it could be that he wanted her for himself and never spoke up. ah It could be that he was jealous because his best friend he now had to share with Althena in a way that he you know to a depth in in a way that he was not prepared to do um because there do exist jealous best friends that way. 00:51:27.21 Adelaide Yeah. 00:51:37.95 Jala ah It could also be if you want to go with my ah prior reading of this is like a gay love thing that, you know, like ah the galleon is upset because he's been loving dying this whole time and he's unrequited. 00:51:38.01 Adelaide yeah 00:51:46.44 Adelaide Yeah. Oh, no. 00:51:50.08 Jala But then, you know, here here dying goes and and fucks up the entire world with this goddess lady. You know, like, however, whatever way you want to read that, however you want to read that, um you know, like he's he's upset. 00:51:57.03 Adelaide Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:52:05.24 Jala Very deeply upset. 00:52:05.30 Adelaide Yeah. 00:52:06.92 Jala um i Again, like I still feel like him being really, really upset about like what happened with Dine and you know like his his basically being upset that you know this power structure that he had faith in is shakable and fallible and weaker than he imagined it to be. 00:52:22.04 Adelaide Mhm. 00:52:28.16 Jala um you know like That as a motivation for him wanting to take that power into a quote unquote do better, is more, you know, more ah compelling to me personally. And that's like the original version. 00:52:38.42 Adelaide Yeah. 00:52:39.86 Jala ah The remake, it's like, because again, begin again and like in the remake, it's all love, love, love, love, love. 00:52:42.12 Adelaide Mhm. 00:52:45.09 Jala So like, you know, it could just be chalked up to love triangle and more, you know, rom-com drama stuff, you know. 00:52:52.28 Adelaide Yeah, um so the other thing that happens in that scene is Galian gets Quark to confirm that Luna was born on the day that Althena gave up her powers, which is not significant necessarily to the player, but obviously this confirms that they are the same person or Luna is like a reincarnation of Althena. 00:53:14.24 Jala Right. 00:53:14.55 Adelaide ah Then Galian has his villain turn. He He turns, he gets the big magic M for her armor. ah He says something like, this is my coming out party, which I, the good I don't know if that was like on purpose or they just thought it would be funny, but it's, it's a, it's an oddly specific. 00:53:24.56 Jala Uh huh. 00:53:36.37 Jala Well, John, I don't know if John Truett himself is gay, but um if so, then that might just be like that flavor blending in there. 00:53:42.82 Adelaide Yeah. 00:53:47.12 Jala like they probably They might have written that in there for him. 00:53:47.57 Adelaide yeah 00:53:49.89 Jala you know I'm pretty well certain that's nowhere near what it would have been in Japanese because ah Japanese people do not approach that topic ah in the same way. 00:53:49.99 Adelaide Yeah. 00:53:59.95 Jala So, yeah. 00:54:00.16 Adelaide Yeah. Well, even for the time, like the idea of a coming out party would have been pretty weird, I feel like, you know, like in the mid 90s. 00:54:06.74 Jala Yeah. 00:54:08.97 Adelaide And so he's like, blah, blah, blah, I'm the magic emperor. Luna is going to be my queen and we're out of here. 00:54:14.91 Jala Yeah. Yeah. So coming out party. Okay. Suspicions about him and dying confirmed. Luna's going to be my queen. 00:54:21.45 Adelaide right oh yeah definitely big bisexual energy from galleon 00:54:23.29 Jala Oh, so so you're a switch then. Okay. 00:54:29.24 Jala Super bisexual energy going there so So yeah um in the original version with his dying breath Cork with a ragged kind of voice tells you that the first piece of dragon equipment is in the cave the white dragon wings and the race to find the other pieces is now on you need to go and get the rest of the armor and become the dragon master stat because Galleon is already ahead of you in this game, you know, so um Yeah, in the remake, it's a little bit different. 00:54:59.84 Jala There isn't a separate room where you have to go get it. It's just given to you by the dragon. The dragon just deposits it to you. 00:55:04.51 Adelaide Yeah. 00:55:06.13 Jala It's not like this this cool, like because in the original version, it's like this sort of pyramid thing. You have to walk up a bunch of steps to get to it. 00:55:11.04 Adelaide Yeah. 00:55:12.61 Jala And it's a shiny thing. And you know the way is only open after the dragon opens it for you. 00:55:15.31 Adelaide Mm 00:55:18.60 Jala So um you know it gives it kind of like an epic feel. 00:55:18.79 Adelaide hmm. 00:55:21.32 Jala But at the same time, it also makes sense for the dragon to just hand it to you. 00:55:25.82 Adelaide Yeah, it does it does like condense things a little bit that way. 00:55:25.89 Jala So I don't care. Right. The wings are going to be the MVP piece of armor or whatever. 00:55:32.23 Adelaide Oh yeah. 00:55:33.28 Jala um it It is not a piece of armor. It is a thing that allows you to quick warp to any town and you need this all throughout the rest of the game. 00:55:40.77 Adelaide Yeah. 00:55:40.96 Jala So this is God's end. It is wonderful. So if you go to Berg after this right in the Sega CD version, you find out that um everyone but your parents are gone and they tell you that Luna is waiting for you at the spring where you first met her. And when you go to that spring, you see Zenobia again, who is kidnapping Luna. 00:55:59.64 Adelaide Right. 00:56:00.22 Jala And so, because remember in the original version, Luna never went with you. So Luna is at the spring and she's just there. 00:56:05.28 Adelaide right 00:56:07.92 Jala And like when your parents say, Luna is waiting for you, it's all creepy and weird. And you're just real sus, real sus. 00:56:13.36 Adelaide Right, right. 00:56:15.12 Jala And you're like, uh-oh, something's up. Because these aren't these are not my parents. My parents are gone. You know you know that. But you go, you see that Zenobia is kidnapping Luna. And she sends fiends after you and then leaves with Luna. When you return to your pound or your're your um to your town, the parents turn into ah Mazuku as well, and they attack you. So then you have more fights with other stuff. um They end up telling you that all the townspeople, including your parents, were taken to the Talon mines on the frontier to be slaves for Galleon and the Vile tribe, essentially mining ore that will make the grindery. 00:56:50.02 Adelaide Yeah. um In the remake, it's a little bit different. You go straight from the cutscene that gives you the the dragon wings back to your house because Gallion does a big explosion as he leaves. and so the The dragon wings like seemingly activate um like sort of automatically. and warp you back to Alex's house in Berg. In this version, ah the town is totally fine. Your parents are fine. and ah They're like, hey, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? like He took Luna. like You have to go after her because you're obviously in love with her. And like Alex is like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. ah If you go up to the monument, you'll find Lake 00:57:36.91 Adelaide who, you know, kind of puts to you through the same, like, do you have what it takes to risk it all for the person that you love? Like, that's important. You should hold on to that. um He also mentions that, like, you know, you should know, like, the reason that Dine died is because his love for a woman. um So, you know, uh that's that's a possibility and then he gives you the dragon wings and you know says listen if you're gonna really do this thing for real you gotta go find the other dragons yeah 00:58:10.80 Jala right and honestly like I like the original version better because the stakes seem so much higher when it's not just Luna being kidnapped right in front of you like it is like it's cool the galleon himself is the one kidnapping in the remake okay that's cool but the fact that he kills Quark takes the entire fucking town and enslaves everyone that you grew up with and your parents 00:58:32.67 Adelaide mhm yeah yeah yeah 00:58:35.32 Jala and everyone and then replaces them with fake people who then you have to fight and all this other mess. Like you've lost everything at this point in their original version. And like again, like there's there's a lot more like violence going on, right? You know, like Lemia was being beaten and now all of your family and all of the people in your town are enslaved in the mines and you have to go go there to go save them in addition to saving Luna. I mean, like, it just gives you so much more reason to hate galleon and to want to go take care of this business. 00:59:02.15 Adelaide yeah 00:59:04.24 Jala It's not like, oh, everybody in town is just safe and sound and all ah all is OK, except for Luna. 00:59:09.75 Adelaide yeah 00:59:10.14 Jala Maybe you need to go after Luna. But like, you know, like that's that that that doesn't feel as, you know, ah epic in a lot of ways to me. 00:59:18.78 Adelaide Yeah Yeah, well and like the way that the the remake sort of plays out the talent mine Section is like I think there's cool pathos to that because essentially what it is is like he's galleon has sort of yeah I hate to say this because it's so cliche, but he's basically like fantasy Hitler, right? So he's taken the like negative sentiment that the Weil tribe have for ah humans in general and sort of like twisted that to his own like means of power. So like in the in the remake, it's it's members of the Weil tribe that are working in the minds. 01:00:02.61 Adelaide And you know there are small pockets of like people that still believe in you know the goddess's wisdom and stuff. And I think that's that's also kind of a cool way to characterize you know Galleon's cruelty. I just don't think it had to come at the cost of like also taking the people from Burg. 01:00:22.26 Jala Right. 01:00:22.53 Adelaide There was room for both of those things to happen. 01:00:24.60 Jala Oh, for sure, because I like um so in the original version, they do have the talent mind, like the the overseers of the people who are enslaved. They are the Mazuku and they um there are people who are more sympathetic towards the humans, but they say, like, you know, please work more. I don't want to have to do anything to you. 01:00:46.29 Adelaide Right. 01:00:47.77 Jala You know, like they feel like people who are, you know, working in the military under Hitler, right, who are just trying to just, you know, be as nice and as gentle as they can because they don't want to be doing what they're doing. 01:00:53.48 Adelaide right Yeah. 01:00:58.95 Jala And, um you know, like one thing I like about the remake version of the Talon Mine, and I know we're not to that section yet, but like, ah is what they do with the head overseer. So we'll we'll put a pin in that and come back to that later. 01:01:10.19 Adelaide Yeah, for sure. 01:01:10.99 Jala So ah you go back to Moribia. You find out that Master Mel has been turned to stone by Zenobia. You actually see this happen in the remake. I think in the original version, ah you're too late. 01:01:18.31 Adelaide Yeah. 01:01:20.22 Jala And he's already been turned to stone by the time you get there. But Mel is fighting Zenobia when you get there. And you find out about that. And then like you run through the mansion looking for him. And then you're there just in time to see him turn to stone. 01:01:33.67 Adelaide Yeah, he, like, you come up and see him confronting, like, Sinobia and a bunch of monsters, and ah he's like, oh, like, you know, you idiots, I was trying to do something, like, you should get away from here. And Sinobia takes that, like, opportunity to, ah like, try and petrify Jessica, but, like, Mal steps in front of it at the last second. 01:01:58.43 Jala Right. And also in the remake, the entire town of Moribia is under attack. 01:01:58.81 Adelaide um 01:02:02.15 Jala So you have to fight a bunch of guys all throughout the town. 01:02:02.58 Adelaide Yeah. 01:02:05.56 Jala So that is a cool element. um Again, they could have compounded that with what they were already doing in Berg just to ramp it up, because could you imagine how hectic that would be if like, OK, he doesn't have to kill Quark. I mean, the what he ends up doing with Quark and all the other dragons is, you know, worse in the remake than just killing them. 01:02:18.38 Adelaide if 01:02:22.22 Adelaide Yeah, yeah. 01:02:23.52 Jala um But like if they took all the all of Berg away, they did all of that. and then like you go to Moribia and it's under attack, it would feel like really a world war that one person is trying to wage you know to to fight against, right? 01:02:32.65 Adelaide Yeah. Mm-hmm. 01:02:36.26 Jala And that would have been really, really pretty cool, I think. But um anyway, either way, after Mel is turned to stone, Jessica is upset and she decides that she's going to join up with you because she needs to take down Sinobia to restore her father. 01:02:39.87 Adelaide I agree. 01:02:50.21 Jala She cannot heal this magic. She finds out, and this is something that happens a few times, sometimes your magic doesn't work. And when it doesn't work, it's because the person like the it's a curse or something and the person that has, you know, done this has to be killed in order for it to be freed. 01:03:00.78 Adelaide Yeah. 01:03:07.16 Jala So um that's cool. They explain why the magic doesn't work because that's always a big loophole in anything with magic. 01:03:12.95 Adelaide yeah 01:03:14.34 Jala You know, well, how come it works on us in every other instance, except for this one particular scene, right? 01:03:14.43 Adelaide right 01:03:20.21 Jala So, um but yeah, you do that and you go forward to vain. You find that Mia and Nash have recovered the real Lamia from the prison, um but she's traumatized and cursed and both of them join you as well to bring Lamia back to health and break the curse. And again, this is slightly different because Lamia has already been freed 01:03:39.43 Adelaide Yeah. Right. 01:03:41.63 Jala Uh, she already has her memories a little bit. And so, you know, like in the remake, you're actually finding that there is a monster in vain as well that is attacking and you end up joined, like popping up just in time to help Mia and Nash fight the monster. 01:03:51.39 Adelaide Yeah. 01:03:58.22 Jala So I i like that. 01:03:58.21 Adelaide Because specifically it's like, it's it's resistant to magic, which like, you know, like actually shows some intelligence odd galleons part, like of course you would send a monster that's resistant to magic to the magic town, like that makes a lot of sense. 01:03:59.91 Jala Yeah. 01:04:15.15 Jala Yeah. And I like that a lot. I like um that they, they had these like multiple instances of places that are, you know, really seats of power are now under attack. 01:04:25.89 Adelaide Yeah. 01:04:26.28 Jala And like, you're coming in and like, it's just hectic everywhere and you're trying to be everywhere all at once and you can't be, you know. 01:04:31.71 Adelaide Right. Well, and you're also like, you're going back to check on your friends, right? 01:04:35.98 Jala yeah 01:04:36.11 Adelaide Like you go back to Moribia to like see what's going on with Jessica and Mel. You go back to Vayne to see what's going on with Nash and Mia. Later, unfortunately, you go back to this ad. 01:04:48.06 Jala The absolute nadir, the complete nadir of the remake that does not exist in the original version at fucking all. 01:04:53.25 Adelaide Oh my God. 01:04:57.12 Jala The thing that was like so bad that I was like, I was sent into a spiral when I saw it in the remake and I'm like, why did they do this? 01:05:01.73 Adelaide Yeah... 01:05:04.21 Adelaide Uh... 01:05:04.52 Jala And they never explain it because like, 01:05:07.39 Adelaide Yeah... 01:05:07.77 Jala Kyle is not a weak man to have had a need of doing the quote unquote tactic that he took here. They just did it for the laughs and the yucks, I think. 01:05:17.21 Adelaide yeah i think it's really just like so i i might notice there's a really embarrassing scene where kyle is in clown drag which is like actually what's going on like he's he's got like white face makeup with like two very red prominent cheek blushes and he's talking in a in like a a bit miss miss yeah it literally is like a misses down fire impression like he's doing the fake high british voice and like 01:05:36.91 Jala mrs da fire this 01:05:45.64 Adelaide The point is just to like make make like Royce drop her guard so he can I don't know do a fancy attack. It's so bizarre. 01:05:56.78 Jala Well, he's not even doing an attack. He jumps up into the air and pulls off all the outfit and then lands and goes something, sorry, whatever, sweet cheeks. And then like his th sword lands in his hand and he strikes a pose or whatever. 01:06:10.35 Adelaide Uh-huh. 01:06:11.11 Jala That's all that happens. It's like, it's not even for an advantage in an attack because he does not do an attack. He stands there and like looks cool. 01:06:19.65 Adelaide Yeah, it's it's fair i don't I don't understand. I don't get it. 01:06:24.50 Jala No, because in the original version, all you do is you go to Nansa and you talk to Kyle. And then at first, Kyle's just kind of like brushing you off. But then as soon as he hears that Mel's you know like mel's condition and sees how upset Jessica is, he's like, oh, fuck, yes, I'm coming. 01:06:35.61 Adelaide Right. 01:06:38.68 Adelaide Yeah. 01:06:38.78 Jala Let's take care of this. And it's much more serious. And like you know it shows him being invested in Jessica and and you know like understanding the stakes real fast. And like 01:06:48.07 Adelaide Right. 01:06:48.37 Jala getting in with it. It's not this like buffoonery, right? Because like the first time you see him, he's drunk in a jail cell and he's like, blah, blah, blah, wine, women and song and whatever, and then passes out and just burps and I don't know, just a bunch of juvenile nonsense, right? 01:06:56.31 Adelaide Aha. 01:07:00.23 Adelaide Aha. 01:07:04.72 Jala It's like he's actually the oldest one of all of them. 01:07:07.59 Adelaide Yeah. 01:07:07.84 Jala What is going on? So so yeah, I don't know. 01:07:10.74 Adelaide Yeah. 01:07:11.60 Jala um that That's a ah bit of humor that did not land for me at the time. It still does not land for me. 01:07:16.01 Adelaide No, certainly. 01:07:17.49 Jala I know it is someone's sense of humor. It does not work for me personally. 01:07:21.12 Adelaide Yeah, and I wonder, you know, maybe if that's, I mean, like it might have just been a time period thing, but I wonder if it's not also just like a cultural thing, you know, like maybe that's, that's a really, like in Japanese culture, that's a really funny joke, you know, like, I don't know. 01:07:21.51 Jala so 01:07:36.08 Jala I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to presume to know that answer. So ah he ends up joining you to restore Mel and all of you pass through then ends a barrier to cross into a new section of the continent to look for a wise man named Damon who might be able to help you with the Magic Emperor situation. 01:07:41.38 Adelaide Yeah. 01:07:54.15 Jala So that's how it is from there. um He does still join you, but you have to have like this little spat against what is it, minions of Royce at this point that you have to fight. 01:08:02.43 Adelaide Yeah, you do a little fight with them. 01:08:04.48 Jala Yeah you have a little bit of a fight and then Royce disappears and then there's a whole bunch of buffoonery and then you can like pass through to to go through a new area. 01:08:12.40 Adelaide Yeah. 01:08:13.79 Jala So ah once you cross the barrier you come across Iluk which is a town full of adventures and The one of these inventors is working on a hot air balloon which may be able to take you to the red dragon's lair But it's not finished yet So in the meantime you end up going to reza which is a town of thieves and you have a misadventure There were one of kyle's men like in the remake. It isn't one of kyle's men. It's just a guy a thief but like in the original it was one of kyle's men that steals the white dragon wings and hides in the thieves bazaar, so 01:08:35.93 Adelaide No. Yeah. 01:08:45.78 Jala In order to access the Thieves' Bazaar for Kyle to go berate this guy and get your White Dragon wings back, ah you have to become a member of the Thieves' Guild by unlocking a chest. So in the original version, Kyle manages this with some heckling from Jessica, and then Kyle then berates the guy, sends him back to Nanza, and gets your wings back. In the remake, it's a little bit different. You have to go through like this this Thieves' test, 01:09:10.78 Adelaide yes yeah at this point like 01:09:14.14 Jala which involves like going to myriad, which is another town, to go find like a manual to find a secret answer of some I don't know some some nonsense. 01:09:25.89 Adelaide they the games are still hitting the same basic plot points but the uh after you get sort of to this you might want to like you might say the second second half or like the second third of the game uh it really starts to branch off so like in the remake you actually come across reza first you could potentially walk past it and get to a look but the way that the um world map is laid out a look is like further to the south from Reza so you're probably going to go there first the dragon wings still get stolen um but yeah in order to get them back you have to be a member of the thieves guild because the thieves guild aren't allowed to steal from each other so the bartender gives you a a test, which is to go to Merirod, find a secret passphrase that will let you into Damon Spire. 01:09:56.59 Jala ah 01:10:16.40 Jala Mm hmm. 01:10:23.34 Adelaide And once you get to the top of Damon Spire, he gives you a book that used to belong to the Thieves Guild, which is what you bring back to pass the test. 01:10:35.26 Jala So that seems like a lot for just like a rank and file member of the Thieves Guild. I'm just saying like opening a chest that makes more sense in my opinion, but I mean like it's it's still going to the same points because like ah in the original version you end up meeting up with Lake after you get your wings back. 01:10:40.60 Adelaide Yeah. 01:10:43.96 Adelaide Yeah. 01:10:52.25 Jala And he suggests that you check back to Iluk as someone there knows the way to the Red Dragon Cave. Then you have to go back to Iluk and you find out that in order to get to the cave, you need the rain cloud from Reza's bazaar. And some thieves stole it from a man in Iluk. And so the inventor asks you to fetch him some stuff to finish making the balloon and whatever. And then ah you end up getting into the balloon. And you end up having to get that rain cloud, right? ah You get the rain cloud, you get the the bits for the balloon to finish it, and then um you test drive it, and then it crashes into Reza. 01:11:29.89 Jala So that was like basically a wild herring that just didn't lead anywhere. 01:11:30.07 Adelaide Yeah. 01:11:33.77 Adelaide Uh huh. 01:11:34.42 Jala So um the way that they streamlined it in the remake, where like you get your white dragon wings back, and you get through Daemon Spire, and you already finished Daemon Spire, um and all of that and then like when you get to a look and you get that airship like it takes you direct to the dragon's lair from there that makes more sense because like the way that they end up having it go like in the original so you do this back and forth with the the hot air balloon and then you go to myriad because uh somebody there has gone to damon's fire and might be able to tell you something and then you go over there the bridge washes out you have to collect everybody from around town you have to go to damon 01:11:52.43 Adelaide Yeah. and then 01:12:15.18 Jala Um, and then all this other mess, then like you end up, like to get to Damon's spire, you have to head south and Alex plays his harp because remember it's a harp, not an Ocarina. 01:12:26.91 Adelaide Right, yeah. 01:12:27.84 Jala And, uh, he plays a harp at an Island that turns into a turtle that takes you across to Damon's, but like, what is going on? There's so many different moving parts for no reason. So, I mean, like it's a lot of back and forth just to get to the dragon cave. 01:12:37.52 Adelaide Yeah, it's also 01:12:40.85 Jala So, um, yeah. 01:12:42.18 Adelaide a little weird that like they make you like again this this feels like very old like JRPG design it's really weird that they make you go through this whole process just to make the hot air balloon just for the hot air balloon to break it it didn't even do the thing it was supposed to do in the first place like there was literally no reason to ever do that yeah yep 01:12:57.53 Jala Yep. 01:13:01.47 Jala Nope. Padding. That's all it was. Yep. So either way, you end up at the Red Dragon Cave somehow. um Remake is much better at at the path to get there. 01:13:14.75 Adelaide Yeah. 01:13:15.22 Jala and um the red dragon by the time you get there in the original is dying but survives long enough to pass on its power before it fades away you get the red dragon shield and the dragon fire spell but ah this is different in the remake of course because the red dragon is not dying 01:13:27.80 Adelaide um Yeah. 01:13:33.58 Adelaide In the remake, they do this weird thing that is infinitely confusing to me, and I guess you could just chalk it up to dragons are magic, um where for the rest of the game, except for the blue dragon, you're going to be getting to dragons too late, right? Galen is always going to be one step ahead of you. So like, when you get to the red dragon cave, you don't talk to the red dragon you talk to like an astral projection of him or her I guess specifically specifically her and this is one thing that I noticed when I was playing through is I wonder if that is because like Ruby who's the main character's companion in eternal blue is a girl so like maybe all red dragons are girls yeah 01:14:00.77 Jala Yep. Yeah. yeah 01:14:10.85 Jala Yes. 01:14:15.57 Jala Yes. 01:14:18.75 Jala I don't know. Cause they're, they're the only ones that are female. So yeah. 01:14:23.12 Adelaide but But similar sort of thing. He gives you the dragon shield and then he's like, you know, keep keep doing your thing, but I already got captured. So sad. 01:14:32.97 Jala Yeah, well, this makes more sense in the remake version because the balloon that you took to get to the Dragon's Cave crashes on the way back and is immediately stolen. 01:14:40.10 Adelaide Yes. 01:14:41.53 Jala And that's fine. That's fine for it to be stolen there because it served its purpose. Because like in the original game, you're like, what the hell was that? 01:14:46.10 Adelaide Right. 01:14:48.13 Jala What did I just spend all this time running around getting these vines and the rain cloud and all these other things and letting all this stuff align just for nothing to happen? you know um 01:14:57.75 Adelaide Yeah. 01:14:58.46 Jala I'm definitely not expected in the original. They did do a much better job. So ah you go back to Myriad and the like the bridge does break in either version if you try to cross it ah because that basically the other side of Myriad allows you to get into the next zone. 01:15:06.59 Adelaide Yes. 01:15:12.70 Jala So ah once you finish what you're doing in that area, then it opens up and you can move past. So then you end up to a new place called Lighten, where everybody tells you about how the Black Dragon went insane and raised villages until Dragon Master Dine and Galleon came to stop it. And only Galleon emerged from the Black Dragon Cave, I mentioned that much earlier, and Dine and the Black Dragon perished in the struggle is what they say. 01:15:38.22 Adelaide Yeah. 01:15:38.23 Jala And they tell you the way to the Blue Dragon Cave. It's blocked by a river, which is cursed. And then you have to like fix the curse in order to um move on to get into the the Dragon Cave. 01:15:51.67 Adelaide Yeah, I think the the Elder in the original game, the Elder gives you like a special item that lets you pass through or something something to that effect. 01:16:00.72 Jala Mm-hmm. 01:16:02.03 Adelaide um In the remake, it's a little bit more streamlined, although again, you don't, and it's too bad because i I like the idea of like the Black Dragon going crazy and them having to put it down. That's kind of like a cool world building bit, but since that's not existent in the remake, in the remake, Layton is like this musical town that's dedicated to the protection of the Blue Dragon. But the music, I guess, comes from the Blue Dragon Shrine, and lately there's been monsters that have appeared, and now the music is all messed up. so the elders like In both versions, the Elder is like, oh, I had a prophetic dream about you coming, so I'll just let you into the place. ah So he like unseals the shrine and you can go in. 01:16:50.51 Jala Well, yeah, well, so the here's the difference, though, in the remake. So in the original version, he opens the way you go in and you move on down the road to get to the Blue Dragon and get the next piece of armor. But in the remake, in order to get the shrine to show up, there's a whole scene where you're by a lake. And then it's like in order for the that Because it's all based on music in this town. In order for the shrine to reveal its opening, you have to have two people who are in love sing to each other with their whole soul in front of the lake because they have to beat into your head the whole thing about love because this whole thing is just like a romance drama thing. 01:17:22.92 Adelaide That's right. 01:17:32.49 Adelaide Aha. 01:17:33.46 Jala And um so then you can let Nash and Mia try. You can let Kyle and Jessica try. It is very funny when you do this. And then, of course, Alex has to try on his own. And, you know, you're like, not sure how that's going to work out. But somehow, because Luna is who she is. She can hear him, and she starts singing wherever she's at, ah being held captive with a bunch of other girls. 01:17:55.92 Adelaide That's right. 01:17:59.13 Jala And she sings, and then all the other songstresses that are being held by Galleon also start singing. They're like, yeah, if we sing, then we'll feel better. And um you know that's how the cave is opened, is with the song of Alex and Luna, who is far away, but her spirit can still hear him. 01:18:15.82 Adelaide yeah 01:18:16.33 Jala Because love conquers all. 01:18:18.37 Adelaide huh 01:18:18.76 Jala So. Yeah, in the original version, i the the the big boss that you fight is the Brainiac. And it is the funniest thing, because it this is just like this big gooby guy who's sitting there who has like a brain for his entire back. 01:18:32.01 Adelaide Yeah. 01:18:33.02 Jala But like when the battle starts, like out of nowhere, Nall's just like, watch out, it's the Brainiac. 01:18:33.30 Adelaide Yeah. 01:18:39.92 Jala like Everyone knows what this is, right? 01:18:42.26 Adelaide Yeah. 01:18:42.55 Jala It's like, I've never heard of this before. 01:18:43.07 Adelaide yeah 01:18:44.89 Jala We've never seen it before. No one talks about it. No one's going to mention it ever again after this. 01:18:52.47 Jala So it does have a really weird tongue though, so it's very creepy. 01:18:55.81 Adelaide Oh, yeah. 01:18:56.67 Jala And I don't know what it's doing there, but you have to kill it. And anyway, the blue dragon is fading away and gives you its power again ah before it dies, just like the red dragon. So ah in the blue dragon room, you see that the dragon is still here. he's um and that's in the remake like in the remake version the the dragon is still there and he's super chatty and completely oblivious he's one of those people who can't stop 01:19:12.68 Adelaide Yeah. 01:19:19.81 Adelaide Yeah. Uh-huh. And it's funny, because this is the only, it's such a dub like Little McGuffin, this is the only time that a dragon will send you into a separate room. And it's literally just a cave off to the side, ah just so you cannot be in the room. Because once you get back, ah you come back to see that the blue dragon is gone and Fayshia is there. And she's like, ha, ha, ha. um um I took the blue dragon for Galleon and like maybe we're not really so evil. We're just mad at Alphina and then she teleports away. ah And then the blue dragon spirit comes back because this is the thing that dragons do now. And ah he tells you about, you know, how this is the part where Galleon, he tells you that Galleon was motivated by jealousy for like the, what, what Alphina and Dine had together. And then it goes away. 01:20:17.02 Jala Right, right. So ah in the original version, you get the blue dragon helmet and the dragon tear spell. But just as you're heading out, Zenobia appears and tells Nash to swipe the helmet, which he does. Nash betrays you. And he and Zenobia vanish, and the rest of the party moves on with the quest. 01:20:33.34 Adelaide In the remake, this is different. um Nash will have this betrayal later on in the game though, once you have all of the dragon items. 01:20:42.59 Jala Which, you know, to be fair, I think that makes more sense than the original version. 01:20:45.89 Adelaide Yeah. 01:20:46.94 Jala Like, um it's just that like, it it definitely throws you for a loop at this point because you're still probably very sensitive about all the other stuff that just happened in recent memory in the original version, right? 01:20:57.50 Adelaide Uh huh. 01:20:58.24 Jala So then it's like, man, and now this, you know. 01:20:59.16 Adelaide Well, and I think it it gives, cause like, I don't like Nash as a character, but like, I think his, like his motivation is reasonably understandable. Like he, he's. he's like his his core character trait is like he's really proud but he's also like kind of a coward right he he uses his uh like power and magic to feel self-important so as you go through this journey like everybody else is like super you know like hero coded they're like oh you know we're gonna go do the thing we're gonna stop galley and it's gonna be super great but like 01:21:39.95 Adelaide They give Nash moments as you go along where he gets more and more hesitant about like your ability to do things. So I think like that that that turn, that betrayal coming at the end of the Black Dragon in the remake makes more sense because like that's rock bottom for him. right like 01:21:59.41 Jala Yeah. 01:22:00.22 Adelaide All of the dragons are gone. Galleon has definitely won at this point. There's literally nothing they're going to be able to do. So at that point, all he thinks is possible is to basically ah get the dragon items for Zenobia in return for keeping his friends safe. you know And at least in that way, he can protect them. 01:22:20.54 Jala Yeah. 01:22:23.81 Jala right Right. And I will say, so something that I was just thinking about when you were talking is the fact that Kyle is also another weak link, not as weak as Nash at all, but ah he also gives up at some point or another and is just like, I'm a dumb guy. 01:22:37.12 Adelaide Yeah. 01:22:38.39 Jala I have simple pleasures. I don't know about this saving the world business. you know This is just not my jam. And it's Mia and Jessica, the girls who have to inspire them and get them to get going rather than the heroic men leading the foray. You know, you've got the girls who have to be the ones to buck them up to get them to go and do. 01:22:56.09 Adelaide yeah 01:23:02.19 Jala And it's like a recognition of, you know, like that saying where it's like for every powerful man, there's like a powerful woman behind him, you know, that's that's helping him and do the things he's doing, you know, that kind of thing. 01:23:10.72 Adelaide yeah 01:23:16.22 Jala So ah moving on from there. So in the original version, you no how longer have Nash, you go to Tammer and you find out that the prairie tribe is falling ill ah and you meet Tempest and Fresca who are seeking strong warriors to fight the vile tribe who are causing these issues and Alex and Tempest have a fight. so that Tempest can assess his skills, and Tempest says he will likely call on Alex in the future ah for aid. 01:23:34.54 Adelaide Yeah. Mm-hmm. 01:23:41.66 Jala And you meet leeak Lake again, who volunteers to take Alex to see Might, an inventor who may be able to help him get to the Goddess Tower, um because that's like one of the next areas you need to eventually go to once you've gone to the Black Dragon. So Mike has super strong BO in his self-conscious. 01:23:59.77 Adelaide Yeah. 01:24:00.16 Jala He has gastrointestinal issues ah and is self-conscious and doesn't want to be around people. So Alex has to leave his party to go see the inventor. 01:24:10.14 Adelaide Yeah. um In the remake, it's a little bit different. You're more focused on finding the Black Dragon at this point. um So like there's a like a little like mountain pass that you go through where you get ambushed by ah either Royce or Zenobia. I don't remember which one it is at this point. But like you know you do that thing where you do a couple fights and then your characters are like, oh, no, the enemies keep coming. What will we ever do? 01:24:36.63 Jala Mm-hmm. 01:24:36.84 Adelaide um And Tempest and Fresca, like, write up and and kill them with arrows from, like, the top of a mountain. 01:24:44.79 Jala Yeah. 01:24:44.85 Adelaide And then they, like, you know, hyho silver away, enigmatically and everyone's like, man, who are those very cool people that just saved us? ah 01:24:54.84 Jala Right, right. And um honestly, ah this all makes a much more sense than just rolling into Tamara and having this dual with ah with um tempest because this first off shows off the power of the tempest and his tribe has uh it gives you like that moment ah you know the mystery moment that cool cool kind of scene it still brings the three sisters uh into play so that you can have some more of them where it's not like oh they did their bit and now they're off the board until far far later in the game you know it keeps them involved 01:25:05.83 Adelaide Yeah. 01:25:20.37 Adelaide Yeah. 01:25:24.72 Adelaide Yeah. 01:25:28.92 Jala And you also find out that Lake is responsible for the training that Tempest has taken. So Lake has basically been making ah Tempest into ah a Dragon Master without the title. 01:25:41.65 Adelaide Yeah, there's this i ah it one of the funniest things I think in the game, um and I highly encourage people to look up the character designs because they're laughably the same. 01:25:54.42 Jala Yes. 01:25:55.10 Adelaide but like Watching Alex and Tempest interact is like one of the funniest things in this whole game because they have the same face. And like not I don't mean like they have a similar facial design in the way that Akira Toriyama has like five set boy faces. But like literally, Tempest's face is Alex's face with braids. And that's it. 01:26:22.24 Jala gets different hair. That's all they did. 01:26:24.42 Adelaide That's it. like It's the same face shape, same everything. 01:26:25.49 Jala and In the original version, it wasn't that way. 01:26:29.13 Adelaide It's so weird. 01:26:32.20 Jala They looked different. so um They did that for the remake, probably to give you like this sense of of Lake being like a father figure to both of you and ah Tempest being your your rad romance and all that. 01:26:45.33 Adelaide Yeah, I do wonder I do wonder if it I mean like if it was if then it was them trying to do like a little environmental storyteller telling of like, you know, you weren't the only person that like thought could be a Dragon Master, right? 01:26:45.72 Jala so 01:27:00.32 Adelaide He was going part of his like, MO was to go around and like find hopeful Dragon Masters and kind of train them up. 01:27:09.78 Jala Yeah you told me that but like they keep on making such a big deal of Alex having the green eyes and Tempest does not have the green eyes so it's like I don't know if that's necessarily the case but you know then again who knows maybe there was a brown-eyed dragon master after all so 01:27:15.51 Adelaide It's true. 01:27:24.99 Adelaide Who knows? 01:27:26.18 Jala So yeah, um in the original, Alex and Lake go to Mite's tower and convince him to make a balloon, and on the roof, Galleon appears and talks to Lake like an old friend, saying that he could regain his former power if he joined up with Galleon. Lake refuses, saying that gaining power through nefarious means is no power at all. So ah this was different in the remake. 01:27:46.88 Adelaide Yeah, um so you still do you still have the bit where you get into the town and you know ah Lake is like, you have to go alone with me. because But in in the in the remake, he's he's still stinky, ah but like, might is written more like just a cantankerous old man who doesn't like people. There is, though, in his intro cutscene when you get him, there is fart sound effects and flies in the background. 01:28:17.97 Jala Yeah, yeah. 01:28:18.92 Adelaide So he is still stinky. He's just not self-conscious about it. ah But anyway, so yeah, so this plays out basically the same except that the scene with Galleon and Lake on the roof is removed. And I actually think that's too bad because, like, ah The remake does a pretty okay job of like sort of foreshadowing the fact that like Lake ends up being dying. right but 01:28:46.71 Adelaide In the original, and I talked about this a little bit when we were talking generalities, but in the original game, I feel like it seems like it's written much more to be like that galleon actually thinks Lake is dead, which makes it weird when they see each other face or Dine is dead, ah which makes it weird when they see each other face to face. And he's like, how could you do that? How could you give up your power instead of being like, holy shit, wait, you're still alive? Also, you're dying? ah Because the other the other thing that I think is really funny about Lake, and you know obviously, like he's older, so he's going to look older. 01:29:23.76 Adelaide But i don't like I don't think he looks anything like the way they show dying looking in the past, which is very bizarre. 01:29:29.78 Jala Right. 01:29:30.94 Adelaide like He looks more like Mel than dying. 01:29:32.85 Jala Yeah. 01:29:34.28 Adelaide um But I do i do ah I do miss this scene because it feels like that that sort of, I don't know, that like Star Wars moment, right? 01:29:46.87 Jala Yeah. 01:29:48.60 Adelaide Where like Luke and Darth Vader are like, oh, you know join me. like we could We could rule the galaxy. And you know Luke is like, ah whatever, that's not cool. 01:29:59.10 Jala yeah 01:29:59.97 Adelaide you know It gives a little color to Galyon that like he's not completely lost right he still like above all else he's that his friendship or his love for died is still like one of the cornerstones of his personality like he he mourns the loss of that relationship so having him come in and be like you know this is your last chance like come with me you can be super cool again uh you know 01:30:21.87 Jala yeah Yeah. 01:30:35.22 Adelaide Let's him express that instead of just having him be solidly in like evil villain mode. 01:30:40.74 Jala Yeah, absolutely. So ah moving right along. So after you get this talk with might and you get this talk on the roof, ah if you were playing the original anyway, you return to Tamar and Lake leaves the party and Nash reappears injured, giving Alex back the blue dragon helmet and saying that he was trying to pull a double cross, but got injured on his way back to the party. So in this version of it, ah he stole the dragon helmet and you know he he was because he was in a fit of weakness he was really going to work with galleon but then he decided that wasn't the way he really wanted to have things pan out after all and he wanted to to double double cross but he got caught and you know got injured on the way back so um yeah and the remake it's also different of course 01:31:28.44 Adelaide Yeah, in the remake, when you get back to town, you find you know at your party in the tavern and you're talking to them. And they're like, oh, yeah, we were just ah you know welcome back. We were just wondering where Nash went. He seemed really sad when he left. And everyone's like, oh yeah, that's pretty weird. um And then Nash comes back and everyone's like, oh, like are you feeling better now? You're so chipper. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Let's go. 01:31:59.13 Jala Yeah, yeah. 01:32:01.51 Adelaide Um, so yeah, everybody, uh, everybody joins up but together. Oh, he, he's like, oh, there's something going on in the town square. Um, so you rush out to the town square, um, and see the tempest is like straight up about to execute somebody. Like he's, he's hung him in the air and he's like, listen, yeah, it's really intense. 01:32:22.38 Jala He's going to lynch a guy for being a snake oil salesman that's selling counterfeit medicine, and he's he's about to lynch this man. 01:32:26.27 Adelaide And he's like, yeah. 01:32:32.85 Jala and 01:32:33.05 Adelaide And so, of course, Alex, you know, is the hero. So he rushes in and he's like, well, I'm not going to let you hang this person. And, ah you know, I think in the in the remake, the the um the prairie people are a little bit more ah yes you know power is the most important thing coded or they have that like oh you know very black and white way of thinking so like they're like oh I I wouldn't expect you to want to save this man don't 01:33:05.57 Adelaide you know, warriors care about the truth and honor above all else. And so he's like, well, listen, if you want to stop me from hanging lynching this man, you're going to have to fight me. So you get your duel with Tempest here. And then afterwards, he's like, you know what? I was mistaken. You're so cool. ah You're definitely a warrior. And because you're a warrior, you can have my Black Dragon necklace. 01:33:30.67 Jala right right 01:33:32.05 Adelaide And then they leave. 01:33:33.56 Jala Yeah, so in in the original tempest at the time that you come back, request that Alex joins him in returning to the prairie to set things straight there as Fresca has fallen ill. And in the village of Pau, which is where he comes from, ah while speaking to the terribly sick village elder Mia succumbs, and so does Jessica, like Jessica remains behind to tend her, um leaving the boys to go to Grimzoll's cave to find the seal of the goddess, which will heal everyone. There's this whole second like so other side quest where it's just the dudes. 01:34:06.01 Jala It's Alex, Tempest, Nash, and Kyle fighting the Inca God that for some reason exists. 01:34:10.60 Adelaide Yeah, uh 01:34:11.90 Jala And it's very much like ah Central South America coded in in the design ah to get the seal returning to town and curing everybody. 01:34:14.25 Adelaide -huh it 01:34:21.52 Jala And so like Jessica has also by the time you get back, you find out fallen ill. And so she's also sick, really, really sick when you come back and save everyone. So 01:34:31.58 Adelaide Yeah. In the remake, again, this is a little bit different. When you get into town, you yeah you can walk around the town and find that people are getting sick. ah They refer to it as a disease, although it isn't it doesn't seem to really be that way. Essentially what's going on is there's a dark songstress um who's singing an evil song that makes the prairie people sick. 01:34:54.41 Jala uh-huh 01:34:59.71 Adelaide um So you do the thing with the elder and then almost immediately, Jessica and Mia get sick. ah Fresca is sick, so Tempest runs off to to find something that's going to stop the Dark Songstress because he thinks that she's in the the Black Dragon Fortress. The other thing that we find out is that the prairie tribe specifically is like devoted to 01:35:29.04 Adelaide devoted to ah defending the Black Dragon. 01:35:31.87 Jala the Black Dragon Fortress. 01:35:34.05 Adelaide Yeah. 01:35:34.10 Jala Yeah, yeah. So, um you know, like in in in that way, like they're trying to give you like, here's some people who are the caretakers of each of these different areas, you know, and that's cool. 01:35:44.82 Adelaide Yeah. 01:35:47.47 Jala That makes way more sense. Like having the Dark Songstress mentioned earlier and having all of that happen makes sense, but it also doesn't make sense because the last you saw of Luna, she was fine. She wasn't Dark Songstress. 01:35:58.82 Adelaide Right. Yeah. 01:36:00.58 Jala So like you know it kind of makes you wonder about the exact timeline here. like I don't know that they necessarily had that ironed out 100%, because like then i think I think she comes back later. Either way, like um Alex has a nightmare when he's in town in the remake. um And you know he's worried about Luna at that point with the dimension of the dark songstress in the air. 01:36:19.98 Adelaide Yeah. 01:36:20.64 Jala So ah yeah. so And the village elder of Pal gives you the water of Mirage and the original, which then activates the dry fountain of transmission that will take you to the frontier. So ah this is um as the first time that you used a a fountain of transmission was in vain. ah You have to fight your way through a cave 01:36:38.04 Adelaide Yeah. 01:36:40.69 Jala in order to get to this this ah other side to get to the frontier. So there's like an extra padded battle that I don't think needed to have been in there. 01:36:49.34 Adelaide No, but I do like the idea of like, so the way that you get into the frontier in um the remake is like my makes you an airship, which is perfectly fine. But I do kind of like the idea of there being other like springs of transmission. And this one just has gone out of use because nobody's trying to get into the frontier, right? 01:37:05.14 Jala Yeah. 01:37:10.15 Jala Right. 01:37:10.35 Adelaide Like, so that's I think that's kind of a cool idea. 01:37:11.89 Jala Right. 01:37:14.33 Jala Yeah, I like that that they have that there, especially since you already did the airship to get to one place. And like you need the airship later on, or something flying, rather, to get to another place later. 01:37:24.99 Adelaide Yeah. 01:37:25.18 Jala So it's like you know enough with the airships already. like you know There are some places you can go with other means. you know um Either way, in the original version, you stop at Cayden. 01:37:31.71 Adelaide yeah 01:37:35.21 Jala Someone there tells you that the Black Dragon Cave is nearby, and the party heads south, but there's a dead end. um But ah when you go down there, you find Dinesword for Alex in the dead end of the Dragon Cave, because you're like, you're on one side of the Dragon Cave, but it's blocked off. And there's also an old man in there that gives you a crest to show to the village elder in town ah to allow you access to the other half of the cave. 01:37:53.38 Adelaide yeah 01:38:01.81 Jala So you happen to just find Dinesword around. I don't do get Dinesword in the remake. 01:38:05.72 Adelaide Yeah Yeah, you get it you get it from the monument oh 01:38:06.80 Jala I don't remember getting. but you Well, that's Althea's sword, though. That's a different sword. That's Althea's sword that the Dragon Master has to complete his outfit. And in the original version, you get that in the Goddess Tower. But in the remake, you get it in Dyne's monument. 01:38:21.55 Adelaide Right. 01:38:25.05 Jala But like you don't get ah his other sword, his other other sword that he had before then. 01:38:25.30 Adelaide Okay. 01:38:28.13 Adelaide Right. 01:38:29.83 Jala Yeah. Okay, well, either way, you get Dinesword and you can kind of go on to yet another town. There's a lot of extra towns and stuff in the original version because this is older RPG style, you know. 01:38:38.15 Adelaide yeah ah Yeah. 01:38:41.37 Jala So, yeah, go ahead. 01:38:43.34 Adelaide Oh, sorry, go ahead. In the remake, the Black Dragon Cave is just in POW, I believe. So like as soon as Tempest goes off, you chase after him, and the guards are like, yeah, we we don't generally let people in here, but like Tempest looked like he was going to kill us, so if we didn't let him in, so like you guys should chase after him. 01:38:54.65 Jala it's 01:39:05.93 Jala is is it um Is it underneath the spring? Am I misremembering? There's something that's under a spring in one of these places. 01:39:15.05 Adelaide Um, I don't, there is there. Oh, I think that's. Hmm. 01:39:22.92 Jala I don't know. Either way, whatever. and Either way, you end up in the black dragon cave. 01:39:24.26 Adelaide Yeah. 01:39:26.33 Jala Yeah. 01:39:26.56 Adelaide Yeah, exactly. 01:39:27.38 Jala yeah 01:39:28.73 Adelaide um So as you move through the Black Dragon Cave, it you know transitions into the Black Dragon Fortress. um And kind of at the top of the fortress, um you find the Black Dragon. And this is another one of those weird spirit projection things where he's like, ah you know, I'm captured by galleon again um and my physical form is being held at the top of the tower ah but here's the black dragon armor because you're a super cool guy ah go go save my real form so you fight your way to the top of the tower where you find specifically the magic emperor and he's like ha ha ha you guys are so dumb 01:40:01.55 Jala yeah 01:40:15.11 Adelaide I have control of Luna, who's either being mind controlled or brainwashed, or I'm unclear at this point if she's like more goddess than Luna. But anyway, she's not responding. and She's going to use her black magic singing to wipe out the party. but ah Alex is able to ah sort of jolt her back into reality for a second by, you know, singing, playing their song, their special song. um So Galleon is like, well, you guys suck, and grabs Luna leaves, um commanding the Black Dragon to kill them. So Alex gets his little transformation scene, even though he's not fully um a Dragon Master at this point. 01:41:06.62 Adelaide um 01:41:07.48 Jala But he gets his little henching into all his armor, though. 01:41:10.64 Adelaide Yes, he does. um And he gets a new sprite temporarily too, which looks a lot like Lake Sprite, only without the beret, which I suppose is maybe supposed to be also a clue that, you know, lake is also a dragon master um so you you feed this part is really strange to me so you beat the black dragon I guess you must not kill it when you're fighting it and galleons like okay well ah you guys suck and I'm taking the black dragon with me because you know he has to capture all of them so he gets on the black dragon and flies away 01:41:27.46 Jala Right. 01:41:49.70 Adelaide um But Luna stops singing. So once you get back to the town, me and Fresca and Jessica have recovered. And ah Lake is also here. And he's like, hey, he does this really weird thing where he's like, I don't think might is done yet, but he's like real close to being done. So like, you should go check that out um instead of just being like, yeah, he's probably done. Go talk to him. 01:42:18.53 Jala Right. 01:42:20.08 Adelaide So ah that's that's the part where you get the section where um where you ah where you learned that Lake has also been training ah Tempest in archery. 01:42:33.74 Jala Yeah. Right. 01:42:35.51 Adelaide um And I didn't know, but apparently, If you talk to um talk to Tempest before you go, he gives you a special sword that's like, oh, this is this is the treasure of my tribe handed down from leader to leader. But you know I'm an archer, so I don't use swords. So here's a special sword. So that's kind of fun. 01:42:59.58 Jala Yeah, that's cool. 01:42:59.67 Adelaide um And then, yeah, it kind of transitions into, ah this is another like big diversion point. So when the party gets back to Mike's tower, um he says, listen, I'm almost, I'm still almost done. 01:43:15.27 Jala yeah 01:43:16.60 Adelaide So stay the night and it'll be done in the morning. So the party stays the night, you get this nice little like, inter-character scene where you can walk around and talk to the different tops couples and kind of get a little bit, um you know, of characterizations for them. Jessica and Kyle, I think, just argue. But, you know, Nash, if you go talk to him and Mia, he's like, well, I'm, you know, I don't know about this. Like, I'm feeling really unsure. Galian has been one step ahead of us this whole time. ah But you end up going to bed 01:43:53.50 Adelaide in the morning on the roof, ah you're about to get ready to go and Nash outs himself as a traitor. He's like, listen, I've been paying attention this whole time. I've been on this journey. um this We aren't going to win. like There's no hope against Galleon. He's been one step ahead of us this whole time. He has all the dragons. He has super magic. like it's 01:44:17.65 Jala Well, and something else that he says too is he's like, I've, you don't know galleon the way I know galleon. You don't know what he's been doing all these years in his research that I thought was cool until I found out what he was going to use it for and all of that. 01:44:24.42 Adelaide Yeah. 01:44:33.00 Jala So he brings in his history with galleon as well. 01:44:36.28 Adelaide Yeah, so he sabotages the airship. Royce teleports in to grab the dragon items, and they both leave. um So everyone's like, oh, dang, that that really sucks. We're angry at Nash. And Might is like, listen, you can maybe, there's an inventor in Iluk, right? 01:44:54.12 Jala Mm 01:44:55.88 Adelaide The guy that made the air balloon. 01:44:57.62 Jala -hmm. 01:44:57.79 Adelaide um If you can get the motor from the air balloon, we can fix the airship and then you guys should be good to go. And so you do a little fetch quest where you go back and then ah you pay like something crazy like 30,000 silver to get the engine. 01:45:10.28 Jala Mm-hmm. 01:45:14.73 Adelaide And then you go back to the tower and you're you get on the airship and you head off to the frontier. there is a little Again, there's a little scene as you're leaving on the airship where it's just Lake and Mite. And Mite's like, boy, that Alex sure does remind me of you when you were a kid. And you know Lake's like, oh, i thought i I always thought I had more style. And they laugh about it because it's foreshadowing. 01:45:39.08 Jala Yeah. 01:45:41.47 Jala Well, that's because I've got the beret. 01:45:43.93 Adelaide Yeah. 01:45:44.24 Jala Anyway. Yeah, so over in the frontier, ah you go on to Talon Mine. 01:45:47.40 Adelaide I'm 01:45:51.98 Jala That's your first stop in the original game. Galleon has put all the enslaved people, including the entire town of Bergh, to work in the mines, ah using them to get ore to make the evil machines. powered by the inventor Taben. So Alex and his party fight through the mines, take down the reluctant slave master who was only doing his job in order to keep his family safe. So um you know he says, look, i I had to do this because if I didn't, they were going to kill my family. 01:46:16.94 Adelaide sorry. 01:46:21.86 Jala You know, um so ah they do have that kind of like, you know, oh, not all of the people that are in the vile tribe are evil kind of thing going. 01:46:31.34 Adelaide ah Yeah. 01:46:32.15 Jala I feel like it's a stronger thing that they have in the remake going where they give you a much more pathos. they develop that pathos far more, not just with facia, but also with just some of the stuff that you see when you're going through this section of the game and the remake is a stronger pathos, a stronger, you know, like a motive tie to them, especially since like they, even if they're reluctant, they still have your entire family and you know, the mines enslaved so and like not in just your family, but like all of your village. 01:46:46.94 Adelaide Yeah. 01:46:56.94 Adelaide Yeah, 01:47:01.68 Jala So ah in either case, 01:47:01.89 Adelaide right 01:47:04.09 Jala You free at the slaves, you come out the other side of the mines, you head to Mark where you show the crest to for the Black Dragon Cave, and then you go into the Black Dragon Cave at the very bottom of which you find the reanimated skeleton of the Black Dragon who'd gone mad, of course, we already talked about that. um But basically at this point galleon is like you don't see him But you hear him and he starts taunting you as you kill the black dragon saying that with all the dragons dead There's no way to be a dragon master anymore because you Killed off the last one. 01:47:29.03 Adelaide Yeah. 01:47:39.16 Jala There are no more slow however, that's incorrect because there is still one dragon left and 01:47:40.70 Adelaide Right. 01:47:46.54 Jala So you take the Black Dragon armor, you return to Mark, and you find out that there's a ah songstress that escaped Galleon. And you find out Luna is the one that plotted her escape and helped make a diversion so that this songstress could get away. So you know, Luna is in captivity, but she's also trying to help all other girls leave and trying to save them. So ah this girl has a copy to the key of the town of Ruid, which she gives to you. And that's where the inventor Taben can be found. 01:48:17.20 Adelaide In the remake, it's a little bit different. So as we mentioned, the mine is just run by other members of the Vile Tribe. As you move through, you do you still get that a little bit of like, oh, like I don't really want to be doing this. like i just you know I have to do it so my family's safe. And you come across a miner who gets like caught in a and a collapse, right? or he's being like hurt he's being like beaten by like an overseer or something. 01:48:45.90 Jala Hmm. 01:48:50.97 Jala Yeah. 01:48:51.29 Adelaide Anyway, ah your your party is like, well, this isn't any of our business. And Alex, of course, has to be like, well, you know that if that person is a person too. We should go save him. um So you go and you fight the overseer the and like save the vile tribe member. And he's like, oh, thank you so much. like you know I would have died probably. And as you leave, Phacia appears and she's like, oh, that's surprising. Like, you know, vi Vile tried to them are like enemies. 01:49:22.75 Adelaide i'm I'm surprised he showed compassion. So as you continue to move through, um eventually you come across what is essentially like a graveyard for all of the dead. 01:49:32.82 Jala Mhmm. 01:49:34.43 Adelaide ah vile tribe members that have died there um that also that like surprisingly has a goddess statue in it right like the save points and stuff um and the person that you talked to is the guy that you saved and he basically says you know like you know this this is where we've buried all of the vile tribe members that have died 01:49:39.42 Jala Mhmm. 01:49:58.15 Adelaide mining this ore to you know help fuel Galian's war. um And like some people are fanatics, but like some people are just trying to survive here. So that that's kind of a cool little pathos moment. 01:50:09.61 Jala Yeah. 01:50:12.47 Jala Well, there's also like a section of this area where you can go into and you can see, and I mentioned this before, but there's like those um like containment units where there's just people of the vile tribe members who can't even leave their little containment unit because the environment's so harsh. 01:50:12.65 Adelaide um 01:50:22.88 Adelaide Yeah. 01:50:28.05 Jala So they're really kind of beating you over the head with the pathos here. And, you know, again, like we talked about, I feel like there's room for this and there's also room for your entire family or whole town being enslaved as well. 01:50:31.93 Adelaide Yeah. 01:50:39.47 Jala Like I feel like they could have done all of that and still made it work. But, you know, because like, you know, like, I think they just didn't have faith in like the complexity that that would cause, right? 01:50:43.23 Adelaide Yeah. 01:50:46.51 Adelaide Yeah. 01:50:50.28 Jala Because they also split up one character into three characters. So, you know, ah you know, that's that's how that went. 01:50:55.86 Adelaide yeah 01:50:58.52 Jala But but 01:50:59.04 Adelaide At the very end of the at the very end of the mind you do a boss paddle with Senobia again um who like separates Jessica and Mia and she's like oh you know Kyle you have to kill Alex to get your girlfriend back and they try to like to like pull their punches and she's like, no, no, no, no you're you're not really fighting. And then Kyle and Jessica get into a big like verbal shouting match where they're essentially just egging each other on um and buying time until Jessica can break the spell and like free her and Mia. 01:51:26.78 Jala Yeah. 01:51:36.83 Adelaide And they're like, ha, ha, ha, you're so stupid. And Sinobia makes you fight a monster and then runs away, of course. 01:51:42.97 Jala Yeah. 01:51:43.50 Adelaide um So on the other side of the mines, then ah the the actually, the the amount of time that you spend in the frontier is very, very small in the remake. So on the other side of the mines, um there's a little world map section where there's the tower, ah and then there's a weird egg. thing, there's like a bump where people live. So if you try to go to the tower first, everyone's like, dang, this door is so solid. 01:52:14.38 Adelaide like There's no way we're going to get through it. 01:52:16.43 Jala Yeah. 01:52:17.69 Adelaide you know So let's try something else. There must be like a passcode or something to get in. So if you go to the weird egg thing, ah this is where like a lot of the vile tribe separatists are living and you know hiding. 01:52:27.46 Jala Mmhmm. 01:52:32.13 Adelaide And eventually you come across Fayshia, who's like, listen, I've been like paying attention to you guys and like watching your journey. And I'm actually like really impressed by how like compassionate you've been. And I didn't expect you to save that guy from the wild tribe. And like I'm starting to think that maybe Galleon was actually like wrong. like we don't have to forcefully take the power from Althena to liberate the Bialtribe. Like maybe what we should have done was just to ask her forgiveness and and maybe she would let us back in. So I'm going to tell you the past phrase to get you into a secret door into the into the tower. ah That's like a side entrance. 01:53:18.10 Jala Right, right. So again, like there's that there's a difference here. i mean like I like both versions of this kind of section. I like what happens in either version of this. So it's just kind of like, you know depending on the day, which one I prefer. 01:53:34.96 Adelaide Yeah. 01:53:35.15 Jala ah entering Ruid in the original. It's a city ruled by Galleon. It's the site of Taben's tower. That's the tower that you're trying to head towards ah to get to that inventor. You make your way to the top. You talk to Taben, who sends his machines after you. And once you beat them, he tells you that you're too late to stop him and his magnum opus is complete and fully operational. The mobile fortress, the Grindery. 01:53:59.57 Adelaide This is basically the same in the the remake, except that once you get once you get to the top... 01:54:02.77 Jala Except for the chicken outfit. 01:54:07.41 Adelaide of you confront tape and you're like listen uh you gotta stop stop this nonsense um and he's like oh yeah well you're just in time to test my newest invention um and it's yeah it's like nash in a weird what it is is like a magical amplification suit but it looks really dumb 01:54:28.94 Jala yes yeah 01:54:30.26 Adelaide It's just like big and circular and yellow and he has like a clock staff or something. um So, you know, Nash is like, what are you guys doing here? Like I literally, I literally like sacrificed my friendship with all of you just so you would escape. ah And, you know, he's like, I can't believe you would do this. Like, don't you know the Galen's just going to kill you? And Mia sort of like, gets up in his face about it, and she's like, listen, like why don't you have more faith in your friends? 01:55:03.84 Adelaide like We would do anything for you. Why wouldn't you do anything for us? And she actually ends up slapping him to sort of like shake him out of his ah out of his feelings. 01:55:10.12 Jala Yep. 01:55:15.21 Adelaide And he's like, oh, shit, like I really fucked up. um And Taven's like, haha. Turns out I can control the suit remotely, so you still have to have a boss battle. 01:55:26.61 Jala Yep. 01:55:27.08 Adelaide So you still fight Nash in the suit because he doesn't have control over his body. So once you beat him, Taben runs off and chasing after him, you see Taben and Galleon like sort of across a bridge way. And, you know, Galleon does his villain shtick and he's like, ha ha, ha you guys are too late, you suck. And then the the bridge separates and that's when the grindery is revealed. um And I would like to take this ah moment to say that I think the Grindry is a really stupid name. 01:55:59.71 Adelaide ah And every time anyone tries to talk about it seriously, it falls flat for me. 01:55:59.85 Jala yeah 01:56:05.78 Jala right you can just call it a mobile fortress so the thing is is that like ah in both versions when you see it and it's like zooming in and it's showing you how huge it is it's this gigantic tower it's massive treads it has all of these like floodlights you know like it like prison floodlight type things going on uh like it's a massive compound but it's it's you know it's part tower but it's also part like you know super mechanical and kind of like um 01:56:09.01 Adelaide Right. 01:56:22.15 Adelaide Yeah. 01:56:34.60 Jala you know much more modern than you might imagine. 01:56:37.62 Adelaide Yeah, I was going to say it it feels like one of the most expressly like technologically advanced things that you come across in the game. 01:56:45.76 Jala Yeah, I mean like there are a bunch of little tank robots and things like that that you fight once you're in the frontier because they are tinkering with all of the mechanisms and everything that ended up destroying the world at some point or another in the past. So, um you know, which makes sense because like they're the ones who, you know, have have also been sent out and banished by Althea. So like, you know, they're not going to learn the lesson or whatever. They'll just do what they want. 01:57:11.38 Adelaide Right. 01:57:12.48 Jala So, um Yeah, in the original version, you see like um an animated thing where it shows you and it has the searchlights and stuff. 01:57:16.53 Adelaide Mhm. 01:57:19.95 Jala And then when you leave Ruid, youve seen you see a bunch of tread marks indicating that it's on the move. But when you look around and you search for it on the frontier, you you basically are just going from place to place asking people, where did this go? 01:57:28.65 Adelaide Mhm. 01:57:33.81 Jala Like trying to find follow the tread marks and see where it went to. And you hear that it is headed for Talon, but when you go to Talon, it's totally flattened and completely just tread marks. And um so, like, you're going around the world trying to figure out where the hell this thing went to. 01:57:44.61 Adelaide Yeah. 01:57:49.16 Jala And it's kind of hectic, especially since you don't have any real leads at this point in the original game. and They cut out this runaround from the remake, though. 01:57:54.74 Adelaide yeah 01:57:58.54 Adelaide Yeah, it's basically just turned into a cutscene where Like you guys take you see the tread marks, you take off in the airship and follow them. There's a short scene where like they're like, oh, we're just going to lie land on the granary and take it out. It's going to be fine, but there's a force field that knocks you out. So you ah you notice that it's heading in the direction of Bane. So you kind of try and preempt that attack and show up to Bane ahead of time. 01:58:24.50 Jala Right. So like in the original, it's it you leave Talon, you see the grindery level, it's cannons against the magical floating city, and then shoot it down out of the sky. But yeah, the remake actually gives Mia a really great scene where you go to Vayne because you're like, okay, it's headed for the goddess tower is what it's doing. 01:58:33.96 Adelaide mhm. 01:58:43.56 Jala Vayne's whole purpose of circling the goddess tower is to protect the goddess tower. 01:58:47.76 Adelaide mhm. 01:58:48.15 Jala So Vayne has to go on the offensive. And what that means is that Lemia can't do that now. It has to be Mia because, you know, Lemia is so injured still. 01:58:55.20 Adelaide right. mhm. 01:58:59.07 Jala So she has to take command and she has to, you know, stand up against this threat. 01:59:05.51 Adelaide Yeah, so she like you know goes in this like ah in this like staircase that leads down to, again, like another expressly like high technology zone where it's basically like a control room for Vayne. And she's like, you know I got to do this. This is my birthright. um So she positions Vayne in the path of the goddess tower and like you know, activates this force field and sort of shoots out like a magical bolt as the ah cannons fire from ah the Grindry, but it's it's too powerful. 01:59:44.97 Adelaide So it you actually get to see like Vayne get shot out of the sky. 01:59:50.73 Jala but And the only thing that she is able to do is to halt the movement of the grindery because she wrecks the treads. 01:59:57.81 Adelaide Right. Yes. 01:59:58.71 Jala And so she does get to wreck the treads, but then as a consequence of her being in the way of the tower, ends up getting shot out of the sky. So ah she does end up using her magic and everything to kind of shield and and kind of soften the blow because otherwise everybody would have died. 02:00:07.91 Adelaide Mmhmm. 02:00:16.72 Adelaide Right, yeah. 02:00:17.10 Jala So like, you know, she did sort of protect it. Some of the buildings and stuff are still there and everything, but like a lot of stuff got wrecked. 02:00:21.31 Adelaide Mmhmm. 02:00:23.83 Jala And of course it's no longer floating. So, um, in the original version, after you see vain knocked out of the sky, you're still on the ground. 02:00:26.18 Adelaide Yeah. 02:00:31.75 Jala You, you were not up there. So you try to enter the grindery and a force field knocks you out. 02:00:38.68 Adelaide Yeah, and this is another big divergence point for um the the remake because at this point you get a whole dungeon with the Grindry. you are able to get to like a an entrance hatch where a bunch of monsters are pouring out. You do the same thing where you're like, oh, no, the monsters stop they won't stop coming. And then ah Tempest and Fresca and all of their people show up, and they're like, we'll hold the monsters off. you know We're super cool archers. You guys go do your thing in the tower. 02:01:13.20 Adelaide so you kind of you know you do another um dungeon in the Grindery and one of the things that I think is really cool as a as a little like storytelling or like environmental detail is as you move through the Grindery actually you can see bits and pieces of the dragons that are integrated into it. you know like A lot of times it's just an arm or a leg, but you do get to see Quark's face ah because you know he's the dragon that everybody likes the most. so you get so like I think that's a really cool idea like they had to like because the dragons you know are powerful beings in themselves. 02:01:58.40 Adelaide you know, in order to make the grindery run, presumably, um you know, they had to incorporate the dragons to sort of power it. 02:02:08.06 Jala right and that part is really cool when you get through there especially if you played the original and you're like this is so different i wonder what he did with the dragons oh my god you know like this this is kind of like sort of the equivalent version of taking your entire town away from the original game because they just killed the dragons in that one the dragons do not actually find themselves mashed into oh the these these walls these dragons you know so 02:02:17.64 Adelaide Yeah. 02:02:36.00 Adelaide Yeah. um So at the top of the grindery, you run into a mysteriously locked door. Everyone's like, oh, no, there's no way through this door. I guess we're screwed. But I can sense Luna on the other side. So Vashia shows up and she's like, listen, I'll open this door for you because like i've I've totally turned around on you guys. I think you're super cool. ah Of course, her sisters show up and they're like, what are you doing? Like, you've betrayed us. um And she's like, yeah, I think it kind of sucks that, like, Galleon manipulated the Biotribe's hatred for Athena just because he wanted to be powerful. Like, I think there was maybe another way to do this. ah And so she's like, listen, you guys go ahead and get Luna. ah I'll hold off my sisters here. 02:03:26.14 Adelaide um So at the top of the Grindry, you see Luna. She's still in mind control mode. You can tell she's still in mind control mode because um she has like blanked out pupils. 02:03:42.28 Jala Mm hmm. 02:03:42.87 Adelaide So you know you try and get her attention. um 02:03:47.82 Jala And then she throws all her clothes off. No, that's in a minute. 02:03:49.94 Adelaide yeah ah Yeah, you try and get her attention. 02:03:50.34 Jala That's in a minute. Yeah. 02:03:54.45 Adelaide You have a fight with a magic emperor. ah you you are able to beat him um and then you're like oh cool like this is the end of the game Luna's saved but instead she gets like red pupils And then she's like, you guys suck. Humans suck. Everything sucks. I'm going to take my my goddess tower and leave. And then, yeah, she has her ah her transformation into Alfina, who's super sexy, just like every every other vile tribe person. 02:04:20.90 Jala Dark Althea. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. 02:04:28.58 Adelaide um and And this is the part where like I think, and and it does actually explain it a little bit later. so But at this point, I was really confused about Althene's characterization as a character. ah and And later on in the game, towards the end, Galleon explains that he like erased her memories, so she doesn't know about Dine's sacrifice and that whole experience of traveling with her. That's why she's like so different. 02:04:59.09 Adelaide But even so, I don't know. i don't know she's The way that she's portrayed in the game is very strange and like explicitly villainous, which feels like it doesn't fit in with the way that Dine talks about her. But I guess maybe maybe you could say that like maybe her experience of traveling with them like you know opened up her heart to humanity or whatever. 02:05:13.63 Jala Great. 02:05:22.22 Jala Well, what I think it is is um ah there is a point where Nash mentioned something about Galleon doing a bunch of tests back when Nash was working at the Magic Guild. 02:05:22.65 Adelaide anyway 02:05:34.40 Jala and that those tests were about mind control. So to me, this is like, you know, Galian has implanted the dark urge or whatever into her and and turned her into the evil side. 02:05:40.67 Adelaide Oh, okay. Yeah. That could be, yeah. So you do, Alfena sings a song and raises the goddess tower up from the ground. ah This is again like another section where you can really tell like it's either high high technology or high magic technology or you know like this is this is like an explicitly like a spaceship that the goddess tower turns into. 02:06:13.54 Jala Mmhmm. 02:06:14.02 Adelaide um and she's like yeah i'm gonna leave uh because you guys suck and then uh galleon reveals himself and he's like oh you thought he killed me like that was just an illusion um so now i'm gonna wipe you guys out uh you do another boss fight with him uh but like it's one of those scripted like you have to lose 02:06:24.58 Jala Mmhmm. Yeah. 02:06:36.63 Adelaide Um and so he he teleports himself and Alfina to the um the goddess tower and he's like he's he has this like wild line where he's like uh like i'm supreme leader of the world and the world is my oyster or something oh no no no it's the world is my oyster and Luna is my pearl 02:06:54.39 Jala Yeah. 02:07:00.63 Jala Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. I was going to say, because he also says, the world is mine on the delicious half shell, because they they do that a lot. 02:07:08.81 Adelaide Yeah. 02:07:10.28 Jala They do that a lot, for sure. So so yeah. um But it's it's after that, after all that stuff happens, and they leave, and all this mess, that finally all your characters are like, downtrodden or at least your guy characters are like man there's no way so you know like I i like that better than the what they did in the original because all it is is you know Vayne gets shot out of the sky you try to go hit the you know go to the grindery and then you there's a force field that knocks you away from it so you're like fuck and then you pass out and then you wake up in the town of Reza the boys have given up hope 02:07:23.82 Adelaide Yeah. 02:07:45.35 Adelaide Okay. 02:07:46.34 Jala Jessica hears about this and insists that she's going to give Kyle a what for. And then Mia, of course, is also ready to tell Nash, I'm disappointed in you. And they, of course, talk the guys into getting back on their feet to go ahead and leave and and head out for the grindery to find a way to make things work. 02:08:01.51 Adelaide Okay. 02:08:05.05 Jala And Lake appears, confesses that he is dying at this point. 02:08:09.79 Adelaide Yeah. 02:08:09.80 Jala And um then even though um Galleon can't accept that Dine is reborn now as Carefree Traveler Lake, you know, Lake himself is very content with his new life. 02:08:20.71 Adelaide Ha ha. 02:08:23.11 Jala He's accepted that he lost his power as the Dragon Master. He tells you that the last thing you need in order to become the new Dragon Master, in order to actually get into the Grindry and stop galleon is Althea's sword which you have to get from the goddess tower and you have to go via flying machine to get there so that's when he tells you to go see might because might is making a balloon for you so then you go and you get the balloon so that you can go to the goddess tower and the order is totally inverted here like you know like you haven't been to the goddess tower ah you would you you there's no talk like you've already gotten the althea sword when you talk to lake at the the monument and everything 02:08:51.89 Adelaide Yeah. 02:09:00.19 Adelaide Yeah, so in the remake, um you know you think the party's probably dead. They, ah once again, are able to teleport last second out. And you wake up in Moribia um and Jessica's like, oh, my God, I'm so glad you're awake. Like, you've been out for a week or something. Kyle and Nash have completely given up. they They're drinking in the bar. So you get that whole scene and everybody, you know, is able to rouse themselves. um And then Lake shows up and he's like, well, you know, 02:09:30.82 Adelaide um we should go back to where this all started, right? Let's go back to the monument. And Nall was able to teleport you for some reason. um so 02:09:41.35 Jala he He uses the white dragon wings, but that's only supposed to technically be used by the Dragon Master, so he doesn't know why they respond to him. 02:09:49.27 Adelaide Ah, I see. um So we get the whole you know reveal on Dine. The backstory is a little bit different, obviously, because Dine's motivation is a little bit different. But basically, He says, listen, you got to, same thing, right? In order to really be a Dragon Master, you got to get the sword. And wouldn't you know it? It's been here the whole time. So you pull the sword out of the monument. 02:10:13.94 Jala Right. 02:10:16.08 Adelaide I thought it was Din's sword. I guess it must be Althea's sword. 02:10:19.05 Jala It's all theenas. 02:10:19.59 Adelaide ah Alex gets another transformation sequence. 02:10:20.07 Jala Mm-hmm. 02:10:22.98 Jala Yes. 02:10:23.77 Adelaide um and ah He's like, and like there here's here's another reveal. um I know everybody thought that Nal was just a flying cat this whole time, but surprise, surprise, ah he's a baby dragon. And for some reason, he's going to grow up real quick. 02:10:43.21 Jala Yeah, I know. 02:10:43.45 Adelaide ah So right there right there on the cliff, he evolves into his adult form. 02:10:48.55 Jala He poke evolved back. 02:10:48.61 Adelaide um 02:10:49.91 Jala like it's It's like a speed digivolution or something. think Golden armor digivolved or something. 02:10:54.45 Adelaide Yeah. 02:10:56.67 Jala Golden armor energized or something. 02:10:57.37 Adelaide Uh-huh. 02:10:59.71 Jala so 02:11:00.21 Adelaide So your plan is you're going to go assault the goddess tower. um You're going to take it all to get there. And and so like in the remake, the goddess tower is the last dungeon in the game. 02:11:11.89 Jala yeah 02:11:11.99 Adelaide So there's no they kind of take the goddess tower and ah Galleon's tower and just kind of smash them together. 02:11:19.45 Jala right so um when you go in the original version you've gotten the the fess up of dine dine tells you oops oops i'm dying also uh and he says go get the balloon so you can get to the goddess tower so you go to might's lab zanobia appears intent on stopping you so that same scene that happened earlier in the game in the remake version happens now but Lake also appears and holds her off fighting against her even as she turns him to stone. 02:11:51.49 Jala So ah you hurry on the balloon and then rush to the goddess tower and when you come close there's a force field that damages the airship and you manage to land intact but the ship is totally ruined so you are now marooned on the goddess tower at this point. 02:11:53.96 Adelaide Okay. Okay. 02:12:07.30 Jala um You do end up landing safely and ah you fight your way all the way up the goddess tower. You find a mural of Althena and you realize that Luna is Althena because you're like, oh wow, that looks like Luna. wait Why is there a mural of Luna on this tower top floor? um You end up fighting the dragon angels who don't exist in the remake and they basically are the guardians of Althena's sword. They end up granting you the sword and inform Nal that he is the son of Quark, the only remaining dragon in the world. And because Nal is alive, magic other than the pal power of Galleon has ceased still exists. And so there is a chance to defeat Galleon. 02:12:50.28 Jala basically because Nall is alive. So um that's a pretty major bomb drop. They don't ever tell you that in the remake, like, Nall, because you're alive, we have a chance against Galleon. And if you weren't alive, we'd be fucked. They don't ever mention that. So after you leave the goddess tower, you return to Moribia, find Ramis ready and willing to help you out by giving you anything you want from his shop for free. So after you stock up, you head out of Moribia to the grindery, which has come to a halt just north of town to refill its water tanks because it runs on steam power. 02:13:27.58 Jala And if you have all the dragon equipment on, you can break the force field to get inside. But if you don't, you get knocked out and you have to try again. You have to have all your dragon and stuff on. Because, of course, they already just gave you that tip. The dragon angels told you the only reason you have a chance is because Noll is alive and the dragon power is still there. So you have to have the dragon armor on to get in. So ah once you go into the grindery, you fight through hordes and hordes of mechanized foes, take down fire elementals powering it, and then finally shut it down so that way it can't move. 02:14:06.02 Jala And ah you enter a garden, which is filled with fairies galleon collected and brought there, along with some human gardeners and others. 02:14:07.50 Adelaide Thank you. 02:14:13.12 Jala And one of the fairies heals you, and then you head into the final dungeon, which is basically the tower on top of the grindery. 02:14:21.53 Adelaide Mm hmm. 02:14:22.34 Jala So um in the original version, it's inside the grindery when you're about to head to the Magic Garden when ah Tempest and Fresca show up to relieve you from the never ending foes that keep on showing up. And in the remake, that happens when you're trying to enter the grindery. You try to go into the grindery, but you keep on getting mobbed and Tempest and Fresca and like I think his whole village like comes with you. 02:14:42.17 Adelaide Yeah. 02:14:48.64 Adelaide Yeah, I think the whole tribe steps in at that point. and They're like, hey, we're going to hold off the monsters so you can do this thing. 02:14:54.57 Jala Yeah, which that makes more sense, you know, to do it that way. So, um you know, like the remake did some re-tailoring, put a little bit of polish on all of that. So, so yeah. 02:15:03.09 Adelaide Yeah, I agree. 02:15:04.39 Jala um Once you get to the very top of Galleon's tower, you face off against Zenobia. When you best her in combat, you fight Galleon. And when you win, his big bloody corpse is lying on the ground. And you move past it to look for Luna, and you find her deeper inside, her power going wild, her memories as Luna sealed away. The dragon angels return, and they tell you that the only way to save her, and thus the rest of the world, is to return her to her full goddess form, which will completely erase her memories of her time as Luna. And before the angels can act, Galleon returns, channeling the last of his power, to become a weird fucking blue gooby thing? 02:15:46.56 Adelaide Yeah. 02:15:46.85 Jala I'm not a big fan of whatever is going on with it. He looks a lot like Pyron from Darkstalkers. 02:15:50.79 Adelaide Yeah. 02:15:52.98 Jala He kills the Dragon Angels and then you fight him again. um So then like after that, and I'm just going to go ahead and wrap up the rest of the original version, then you can circle back to the remake. 02:16:02.07 Adelaide yeah 02:16:04.78 Jala The fading spirits of the Dragon Angels tell you you're the only one able to save Luna at this time. Your party remains behind after you've really beaten Galleon for real this time. And then you brave the long path up to Luna, who's isolated and confused at the end of like this huge staircase. And every single time you're going up after a certain number of steps, she hits you with lightning. And this is like, she's calling out to you. 02:16:30.13 Adelaide Mhmm. 02:16:32.90 Jala She's confused. She's asking for help. She's unable to find her way. She's like, Alex, I don't know where I'm at. I don't know. I can't see you. 02:16:40.29 Adelaide Mhmm. 02:16:41.37 Jala And and this, that, and the other is really, really um You know, uh an emotional scene and as you're hit with lightning every time you take a hit it's half of your life you have to heal every time you know, and um She's like yeah, I can't remember very well. 02:16:47.17 Adelaide Yeah. 02:16:50.13 Adelaide Mhmm. 02:16:59.06 Jala I can't find my way and she keeps on striking you and uh as you get close enough she asks alex to help her remember their song she can't remember how it goes so you have to use alex harp to play the song and then like she still hits you with magic but it's like way weaker now and it's not hurting as much and eventually 02:17:12.91 Adelaide Mhm. 02:17:21.10 Adelaide Yeah. 02:17:24.96 Jala Alex reaches her, she remembers who he is as Alex and and screams. 02:17:27.45 Adelaide Mhm. 02:17:30.37 Jala And then he pulls her out from all of the the pillar of light. And so she says that she knows, you know she knew the whole time that he would come for her. Everybody rejoins together like in a big group in the credits role. And you know like he saved her and brought her back to being Luna and saved the world from the brink of disaster because her power was going out of out of control. but she was able to rein it in. The implication is for love. you know um but But again, like the original version, that's not like the main thing. 02:17:58.46 Adelaide Yeah, of course. 02:18:04.48 Jala you know 02:18:04.75 Adelaide um 02:18:05.32 Jala so 02:18:06.49 Adelaide So the end of the the game goes pretty similar for the remake, except that ah since you have new side villain characters, you do a boss battle with Royce and a boss battle with Zenobia. Both of them get cool big boss ah sprites that look really neat. um But basically, same sort of thing. You get to the top of the Goddess Tower in this version. You see Galleon. He's like, boy, you're you're so late. I've already won and everything is cool. And you do a fight with him. ah You think he's... You think he's dead. 02:18:42.61 Adelaide um Oh, no, no, no, no. I think in the remake, do you only do one fight with him? 02:18:50.76 Jala Um, I think so. Uh, you fight, you fight Zenobia. 02:18:54.74 Adelaide Yep. 02:18:57.05 Jala There's like a bunch of, of other running around. You have to do getting up to that. 02:19:00.68 Adelaide Yeah. 02:19:02.03 Jala And then you fight galley. Maybe you only do it one time in the remake. 02:19:06.62 Adelaide Yeah. and And then he's like, well, it doesn't. No, no, no, because he's like, it doesn't matter if you kill me because Alfina is now past the point of no return. 02:19:17.29 Jala Yeah. 02:19:17.38 Adelaide Right. Like there's nothing going to bring her back. 02:19:17.92 Jala Yeah. 02:19:20.01 Adelaide She's on a path of destruction. um You get this cutscene where you see the goddess tower move across the surface of lunar and it's like sucking all the life out of it. So it's like returning it to the Baron. 02:19:33.05 Jala a moon's surface. 02:19:35.27 Adelaide Yeah. So he's like, it's too late. This path is already set in motion. Since there aren't dragon angels in this game, ah you just kind of see Luna or Althena at the top of you know this winding staircase again. And you're like, oh, I got it you know i got to go save her. I got to go stop this. um It basically plays out the same way, except I don't i think in the remake, you dodge the lightning. um 02:20:02.07 Jala It's something like that, um or or like it it doesn't feel to me like it's not as... as um like 02:20:10.29 Adelaide it's It's not as desperate. 02:20:12.11 Jala Yeah, it's not as desperate because you don't hear Luna talking to you the whole time and like confused and scared and and stuff like that. 02:20:13.12 Adelaide Yeah. Yeah. 02:20:20.15 Jala um Like what instead you get is once you finally make it up to the top, you know, you're standing there and this is a repeat of the Althena and Dine thing that has been replayed as a ah flashback over and over again, where she's in this pillar of light and she is a goddess and she may as well be a million miles away because you two are not the same kind. 02:20:30.51 Adelaide Right. 02:20:40.78 Adelaide Right. 02:20:42.79 Jala and And she's like, I have to stay here because if I don't, this goddess tower is going to just completely destroy the world. I have to be here so I can i can slow this this down. 02:20:51.45 Adelaide um 02:20:54.87 Jala Otherwise, the release of power, it might destroy the world. like the the The growth and everything that'll happen if if I just leave here is going to be too much. 02:20:59.23 Adelaide Yeah. 02:21:02.15 Adelaide Mm 02:21:04.10 Jala I have to stay. I'm a prisoner. 02:21:05.91 Adelaide -hmm. 02:21:06.07 Jala I'm a prisoner, Alex. 02:21:08.68 Adelaide um But, you know, of course. 02:21:09.14 Jala which, um, they, I will have to say they pull this from lunar too. So this is a thing that you'll see at lunar too. 02:21:16.13 Adelaide Oh, interesting. 02:21:19.81 Jala So, um, there's a lot of stuff, like there's a lot of DNA. So when we get there, you know, yeah. 02:21:23.49 Adelaide Uh-huh. So you know we do the same thing that Dine did, right? like Alex is like, no, i believe you know I believe in us. I believe in our strength. I'm going to sacrifice my Dragon Master powers and we're going to be OK. Then it shows you an animation of like you know the party leaving or escaping the goddess tower and sort of They do that classic, like everybody's up on a raised incline, looking down a valley, watching the goddess tower ah sink and explode, and you know everyone's sad, and I call it dang, like Alex, Luna, you know we're really gonna miss them. 02:22:09.24 Adelaide It's so sad. Nal has reverted back to baby form for some reason. 02:22:14.22 Jala Uh-huh. 02:22:15.03 Adelaide um It's fine, though. It's not a big deal. And then, of course, you know Alex and Luna appear, and they're like, hey, don't be sad. like We're OK. We made it. And everyone's like, yay. 02:22:26.85 Jala And there's a big old group hug or actually it's like, it's hilarious because um like Alex reappears, Luna's there, she's wrapped up in a sheet that I don't know where he got the sheet from. 02:22:27.38 Adelaide ah 02:22:36.15 Adelaide Yeah. Yeah. 02:22:38.49 Jala I don't want you seeing my girlfriend naked anymore. You've already seen it. ah you Please no more of this. 02:22:42.24 Adelaide um Right. 02:22:43.42 Jala you know ah No more booba for you. And so then she's you know she sets her down. 02:22:46.12 Adelaide Yeah. 02:22:50.45 Jala And then like after he does that, then it's like, oh, Mia, Jessica. And then it's like the girl hug. And it's like, OK. 02:22:58.78 Adelaide Right. 02:23:00.68 Jala That's pretty funny. 02:23:01.11 Adelaide I mean, those are the important characters after all. 02:23:03.61 Jala Right, right? I mean, because all the boy characters suck. 02:23:06.56 Adelaide Yeah. ah At the very end, before the credits roll, you get a nice little um sort of end of the game. like up epilogue where you're back in moribia everybody's kind of splitting up Alex and Luna go around and they talk to all all your friends for the last time so you can go and talk to Remus ah you can go and talk to Jessica and Kyle who are you know with Mel because he's been you know unstoned um you can go and talk to 02:23:39.65 Adelaide ah Mia and Nash, who are you know hanging out with Lynia, and she's like, get ready to be the next Guildmaster, because I'm done. I'm stepping down. 02:23:49.38 Jala yeah 02:23:50.00 Adelaide And then finally, you know at the very end, you meet Blake by the docks, and he's like, he did a great job. like I couldn't ask for a better Dragon Master. Good job. I'm going to keep on wandering around the world um and ah finding fun and interesting things, and that's just going to be me. 02:24:10.15 Jala Have fun fucking my ex! 02:24:16.46 Jala is yeah 02:24:17.03 Adelaide yeah ye yeah 02:24:20.21 Jala anyway yeah yeah so ah just to totally spoil the end of this this ah sweet sweet game with my humor ah so yeah yeah then and 02:24:28.86 Adelaide um and You get the credit sequence, and at the very end, the final shot is like you know Luna and Alex standing on the hill where the monument is, sort of looking wistfully into the clouds. Game over. You did it. The end. 02:24:43.96 Jala Right. So ah the way that the original game handles this is the credit sequence shows you what happened afterwards. So ah while you're watching the credits, you have all of these little um like illustrations pop up. You show Mel Revive, Jessica giving him a hug. And I think um that Kyle's in the background or something. Mia is taking over the Magic Guild and researching something with Nash. You see Jessica having a cute ah sewn little patch on the back of Kyle's shirt and he doesn't even notice it or he, you know, that kind of thing. 02:25:16.10 Jala ah Lake is striding off into the sunset. Ramis is happily working at his thriving shop with all the pretty girls he has working with him. 02:25:22.89 Adelaide Aha. 02:25:23.18 Jala um And of course, Alex and Luna together hand in hand at the end. So, um you know, like they give you a little bit more capacity to hear a little bit more and do like a victory lap in the remake, but they also do essentially the same thing just in the credit sequence this in the original version. 02:25:27.83 Adelaide Yeah. 02:25:36.31 Adelaide um 02:25:40.07 Adelaide Yeah. 02:25:41.79 Jala So, and that wraps the story for Lunar after like hour five. 02:25:44.93 Adelaide That's it. That's the game. Holy cow. 02:25:48.44 Jala ah So um only other other ah the only other things I just want to say. So this was the first RPG that I played where the characters in your party would make comments and or chat within PCs in town and add characterization for them. 02:25:59.57 Adelaide Yeah. 02:26:01.73 Jala So in every other RPG I played ah up to this point, you didn't really get that. 02:26:01.85 Adelaide yeah 02:26:07.21 Jala So, um you know, that was really notable for me. And that made these characters feel you know more more um like friends than anything. you know 02:26:17.55 Adelaide Yeah, absolutely. 02:26:18.61 Jala And um yeah, like all the characters are younger in the original ah versus the remake. And so like in the original version, you see everybody together and all that. But like in the remake, you actually have Jessica and Kyle talking about marriage. Like Mel's like, make her an honest, make an honest woman out of her, you know, it's stuff like that. 02:26:34.64 Adelaide Uh-huh. 02:26:39.46 Jala So like more or less like forcing Kyle into a proposal and stuff. So, um 02:26:45.27 Adelaide Yeah. 02:26:45.85 Jala Yeah, and ah yeah, I know they're like, we we kind of covered everything else from there. This game for me, because like I said, I was like, what, 11, 12 or something when this game came out. um I think I was 11. 02:26:56.14 Adelaide Mm hmm. 02:26:58.98 Jala So anyway, this game came out. I was 11. It hit me in a good spot, a good point in time. When Lunar 2 hit, it hit me at exactly the right time to be like one of my favorite games ever. 02:27:09.10 Adelaide Mm hmm. 02:27:11.00 Jala um This one, the thing is, is that Lunar 2, ah it does not it like it it has it It does stand on its own, but it also is so much more drastically benefited by you having played the first game and having the ah understanding of the characters and of the setting and of the world and everything so that you understand how it changes because Lunar 2 takes place a thousand years after this game. 02:27:38.63 Adelaide Oh, okay. 02:27:39.37 Jala And it is contiguous with this game. It happens as a direct sequel. 02:27:41.92 Adelaide Okay. Nice. 02:27:44.55 Jala so So yeah, um this this still is one of my favorite games. um you know Going through it, it's like I still go back and forth. like ah you know if the The balancing wasn't as messed up as it was in the remake. 02:27:56.69 Adelaide Yeah. 02:27:57.38 Jala And if working designs had toned down their hand in the the um translation slash localization a little bit, you know and if it was a little bit more in line with what they did with the first iteration, 02:28:09.82 Adelaide Yeah. 02:28:09.89 Jala then the remake would be you know something that I'd be like, oh, yeah, this is absolutely one of my favorites. so um I don't know. I go back and forth. It just depends on on what parts of the game I'm thinking of. you know um there's There's definitely a lot of parts in the remake that you know changes that make sense, but there are also changes that I feel like you know end up 02:28:20.75 Adelaide Yeah, yeah, for sure. 02:28:31.32 Jala making the the player like lose something because there are things in the original that did not come through. 02:28:34.60 Adelaide ah 02:28:37.20 Jala And you know the intentions of the two games are very different. The kind of vibe they're giving and the kind of story they're telling are so different that you know they really are kind of their own animals. 02:28:41.92 Adelaide Yeah. 02:28:48.79 Adelaide I agree. Yeah, I mean, i I'm definitely glad that I had a chance to play both of them through, because previously, like I said, I i had played through portions of ah the PlayStation version a couple of times, but never a complete playthrough. um And I knew that the Sega Saturn the version existed, ah because I had why i watched the little 02:29:15.64 Jala making of. 02:29:15.80 Adelaide and Yeah, the little making of a featurette. 02:29:16.96 Jala Yeah. 02:29:19.56 Adelaide um So I knew that it was like a remaster remake, ah but I had never played it. So I think, you know, one of my big interests is like looking at how um franchises and games change over time and like especially with remakes looking at like what the source material is and what got brought forward and like you know what was important to keep in the game. So playing them back to back really enforced that in me. ah you know you You can really see it's very very clear to um to see what got brought forward and like what were key 02:30:03.87 Adelaide elements that they wanted to make sure were still in the game and you know what they felt like they could leave behind. 02:30:10.01 Jala Yeah. 02:30:10.21 Adelaide I always think that's such ah such a fascinating choice. 02:30:14.51 Jala Right. And so something that I do want to say about the other remakes, why didn't I want to talk about Lunar Legend and Lunar Silver Star Harmony? um Other than the fact that I like, you know, started Silver Star Harmony and was just like put off immediately by the voice acting and then just turned it off. But um Is I played lunar legend all the way through and you know, it's a different company and so is ah harmony but and also Like it doesn't feel like it understands the same assignment like it's it's just like kind of like a straight port with some like Restyling to make it cuter and there's not really anything that's being added to it. 02:30:35.56 Adelaide Aha. 02:30:44.84 Adelaide Mmm. 02:30:51.76 Jala They're not doing anything new with it to me um Yes, I know like there are changes to gameplay and stuff like that But like by and large my recollection of it because I did own it and play it 02:30:54.05 Adelaide Yeah. 02:31:02.78 Jala um Back in the day is that it it wasn't really like markedly. It wasn't doing something different the way that the original Sega CD version and the PlayStation or Sega Saturn remake depending upon what region you're in ah What what those two are doing, you know 02:31:19.43 Adelaide yeah Yeah, I again, I said it at the top of the episode, I will reinforce it, like completely changing the battle system is all it takes for me to be completely uninterested in that game. Like I know I was talking about earlier, you know, like, oh, random battles that get so boring, I just want less friction. But like, changing it to a more mindless system does not fix that. 02:31:44.60 Jala No, no, no, no. 02:31:46.64 Adelaide you know So i would I would maybe at the very least like watch a long play of it just just because I'm, again, like there is a ah curiosity in me about like, because I know I watched like 10 minutes of the beginning of it when I was yesterday while while I was finishing my notes or whatever. 02:31:56.89 Jala Oh, yeah. 02:32:09.05 Adelaide and so like immediately, you know, they put Nash in Berg originally. um So like you meet him ahead of time, and then you run into him later. um So there's like a little bit of foreshadowing there. But like, I don't know, it's just interesting to see how, you know, you take the the building blocks and like, jumble them around to make a different building that's still made out of the same pieces. 02:32:32.92 Jala right but um what i think i mean by it you know like that they lost the the kind of mission statement or whatever is just that you know like the first game is it's it's an adventure story it's an action oriented story the remake is all about love and everything and like you know when they make when the other versions were made they they might do some different things but like they're not 02:32:48.99 Adelaide Yeah. 02:32:57.57 Jala uh moving the story forward into a new light or anything like that you know like they're not pushing pushing the narrative forward in any way that makes it appreciably um like a notable oh i really need to to go and dig into this so much now um that that being said i'm sure there's somebody who loves silver star hermany who's like jolly you just need to play that psp game 02:33:01.16 Adelaide Right, yeah. 02:33:05.25 Adelaide who 02:33:16.46 Adelaide listen Yeah. 02:33:20.00 Jala Okay, sure. ah Sometime I will. But not did that that shall not be this year. a Year of our Lord 2020-24. Let us just say that. So um insofar as Lunar Eternal Blue is concerned, I do not remember there being a pre- like there's there's differences in some aspects insofar as like the gameplay aspects and things like that. There are some things that got polished up when they made the remake of Lunar 2, but ah at at least in my memory banks, I do not have any major like story shifts or anything that like that in mind. 02:33:48.19 Adelaide Mm-hmm. 02:33:56.81 Jala So that should be a little bit smoother to talk about when we get to that because there won't be like, well, this is totally different in this version. 02:34:00.01 Adelaide and Okay. 02:34:04.23 Adelaide ah Yeah. 02:34:04.56 Jala It should be pretty well in line. It's just that some stuff might be a little bit more fleshed out. 02:34:10.01 Adelaide For sure. 02:34:10.13 Jala so 02:34:10.85 Adelaide Depending on when we end up, um 02:34:12.42 Jala doing that, yeah. 02:34:13.46 Adelaide doing that episode, I might just try and play through both versions anyway, just to get the sense of perspective, but... 02:34:17.43 Jala Yeah. I'm going to be playing through both of them just because like i I know I need to go through and play and verify for myself whether or not there's some massive changes. But ah like for me, the ah remake version of Lunar 2 is really, like at least at this point before I replay them, mind you, ah in my memory is like the definitive version of that game. 02:34:35.91 Adelaide Right. 02:34:41.17 Jala so 02:34:41.36 Adelaide Okay. 02:34:42.50 Jala So yeah, um that we've talked this to death. We are good with this. ah Addy, where can people find you on the internet if you are anywhere to be found? 02:34:51.73 Adelaide I am constantly in, well, fairly regularly in JAWS Discord. um I have been on other episodes of this podcast as well as a few episodes of Dave Jackson's Tales to White Men. 02:35:08.06 Jala Tales of the from the backlog. 02:35:10.56 Adelaide I just lost that out of my brain. Yeah, tails Tales for the Black Backlog. I'm not con currently producing internet content myself, but if you are curious about my YouTube backlog, you can find it at back on my BS on YouTube. It's mostly game review content and or like very, very short essay stuff. um If ever my Twitch channel is to be revived, that will be 02:35:42.44 Adelaide at Sister Adelaide on Twitch.com. 02:35:45.80 Jala Yeah. As for me, you may find me anywhere I may be found on the internet at Jollichon, including jollichon.place where you found this episode and all of the others. 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