S1 • E12 - Laura O'Malley & Guides === ​ Matt Kosterman: Here we are. We're we're, we're live Laura O'Malley: Hi. Matt Kosterman: Uh, I'm, uh, I'm here with, uh, my, my favorite guest, Laura O'Malley and all of her crew. I know, I know you Laura O'Malley: The crew. Matt Kosterman: but that's how it works. That Laura O'Malley: They're right here. You can't see 'em? They're right here. Matt Kosterman: right there. Yeah, I know. All in, in and around your head. So Laura O'Malley: Oh my God. It's so funny. This is what's happening. So they're like, they're like in me, but they're like going like this. Hello? Hello? Like they're, they're like, this is what I'm feeling is that they're sticking their head out. I wonder if there's anybody out there, you know, that actually is, uh, you know, has that Claire and can see be hilarious. Matt Kosterman: Oh, I have to animate that with some AI afterward with little, little emojis popping out of your Laura O'Malley: Oh, funny, funny, funny. Matt Kosterman: So Laura's a conscious channel. Uh, she's not completely crazy for those of you who are just tuning Laura O'Malley: Only part-time. Matt Kosterman: only part-time. And, uh, uh, I invited her to be back because, uh, I love chatting with her and I love this stuff that, uh, that we end up talking about and I think other people do too. Matt Kosterman: It's one of the most downloaded episodes so far, of the 11 that we've gotten out there. Laura O'Malley: Hey, Matt Kosterman: so, hi Laura Laura O'Malley: hi. Matt Kosterman: and Laura's coming to us from sunny Florida and I'm in Gray Chicago. That's why she's even happier than normal. Laura O'Malley: I am happier than normal. Definitely. It, it's ridiculous sitting out and working in the sun. You know, I, as I'm sitting there working on my manuscript, I'm, so many times I'm sitting there and I keep looking around and pinching, like, literally I keep going like this and pinching myself and going, this is crazy. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: This is what I've wanted my entire life. And it was so easy to get here. I mean, not really. The last decade of work that I did, which, Matt Kosterman: easy. Laura O'Malley: allowed myself to get here was not so easy. But in retrospect as I think about it, like just the whole process of coming, it was like ridiculous how it just unfolded and happened and Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You were an over an overnight success that took 40 years. Laura O'Malley: a little more. Matt Kosterman: A little more. Yeah. Well, I mean you didn't start right away. Laura O'Malley: No, no, no. Matt Kosterman: No, out Laura O'Malley: technically, I guess I did because I guess you start the second you're born or I don't know. Do you start before that? Before that? Well, here you go. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. There's no beginning like, Laura O'Malley: Yeah. No beginning, no end. Matt Kosterman: end, when I was a kid and riding in the car, we did a lot of road trips and I always wondered were winning like on the highway, like were we winning? Laura O'Malley: That's hilarious. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, I wonder if we're in first place, Laura O'Malley: Oh my gosh. Matt Kosterman: and then we would, uh, you know, the signs on the side of the road they say, do not pass. And I was very worried 'cause we always pass the signs, Laura O'Malley: Oh my gosh. Matt Kosterman: what? We can't, we can't pass the sign. It says, do not pass. Laura O'Malley: Oh my gosh. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Laura O'Malley: so funny. Matt Kosterman: no, Laura O'Malley: kids are so literal. You know, when it comes to stuff like that, Matt Kosterman: insight into my brain, are we winning? Are we in first place? Laura O'Malley: I think that might be a boy thing Matt Kosterman: It might be. Laura O'Malley: I. Matt Kosterman: It might be. so yeah, so I wanted to have you back and just chat 'cause we, we touched on it very briefly in, in your first, uh, visit. Uh, and, and this has been entering my field, uh, uh, not a lot, but over the last couple of years, concept of Kundalini energy, um. Which is an energy, know that your guides will correct me if I say this incorrectly, but it's essentially a store of energy that basically the way it's described, it lives in the base of our spinal cord right at the root chakra du in India and the faris to been meditating and studying for years in order to, bring this energy up their central, energetic column in order that heaven and earth can meet, uh, energetically. Matt Kosterman: And it's a very, very powerful, experience. I know Jonathan, who has been on my show, had a very powerful experience, with it that literally flipped him upside down. I know others who have gotten outside of the. Maya, the illusion of reality and seen it, for what it was. And, and there are people, there's a whole book on rereading it, it's called the Kundalini Rising, and there's about 25 essays by people who have had this experience in their life. over the years it's been widely misdiagnosed as psychosis and, and, uh, uh, crisis, uh, and treated with drugs and things in order to numb people out. And, and so I, it just, the way I, I've had experiences of it, small experiences of it personally, both on psychedelic medicine, the first. retreat. Matt Kosterman: I was so blocked that it was all down in my root chakra and, and the energy was just me and, and arcing my back. I was going into full, you know, bridge pose, uh, involuntarily and, and shaking and everything. And then as I've opened, experienced it move, also very powerfully, but not all the way up. Matt Kosterman: Uh, I had an experience in meditation that shook my entire body and became very psychedelic in nature without any medicine at all. So I wanted to chat with you about it because it's a personal interest to me. as we were chatting just before we got online, I think that there are going to be more people who are having experiences like this. Matt Kosterman: and so I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll pass it over to you. I've been blabbing. And to just tell a little bit again about, you know, how you opened up into uh. Spirituality, this, uh, consciousness that you're in now, what was the, what was the experience? Laura O'Malley: Okay, well, so my, my actual Kundalini experience, which I didn't know what, what it was prior. I had never heard about it. I didn't really know what was happening when it was happening. I didn't really know what had happened after it happened. I like started like Google searching, like, what the hell just happened to me because I didn't really know what was happening. Laura O'Malley: I don't know why it happened when it happened, but again, it's like the, the timing of everything that happens in every moment of our experience here is divine timing. And I, and, and they're just giving me this information now. And as you were speaking about it, I was sitting here kind of in a panic going, I really don't know anything about this. Laura O'Malley: I, I hope they can answer all your questions for you, because I mean, I've heard about it, I've read a little bit about it here and there, but for me. I was in a meditation and I was laying down. I always move when I meditate. It's very, very normal for me to move. And, I had been moving and somehow I wound up laying down on my back, uh, on a yoga mat in my little room. Laura O'Malley: And, and it just like, what, like happened and I wasn't afraid. it wasn't crazy powerful, but it was like, it was like, I felt it, like, and I like, and I knew something was happening. And so I think probably everything that I had experienced during meditative states, I. Prepared me not to be afraid because I used to be so afraid of every single thing. Laura O'Malley: When I first started meditating and I first started moving, you know, I put myself in front of the, computer and recorded it because I was such a scary movie fiend my entire life that I thought, you know, I'm going to be moving and all of a sudden my neck's gonna break. And I needed my husband to be able to see what happened to me because the ghosts were in the room doing this to me. Laura O'Malley: I mean, Matt Kosterman: thought, I mean, at one point you thought you had a brain tumor Laura O'Malley: well that was in the very beginning when, you know, the, when the guidance first started coming through, and they explained to me that they were the source. And I didn't understand what that meant. But what it meant to me was God, because that's the only thing I knew. That it could be. And I thought I was crazy because why the hell would God talk to me like I was like, I'm for sure making this up and it's a brain tumor. Laura O'Malley: And that's what I initially thought. Absolutely. But, as far as this happening, I think because I had had so many experiences, which allowed me to learn to trust what was happening, to trust the process, that when that happened, I was in such a state of trust that I wasn't afraid. And that's unusual because I quite literally was afraid of everything my entire life. Laura O'Malley: and I'm not really afraid of anything anymore, which is a little bananas to say out loud. But Matt Kosterman: Remarkable. Yeah. Laura O'Malley: anyway, so I just remember like feeling it and like my whole body was shaking and I remember like getting a little teary eyed and, um. Knowing that something had happened, knowing that something changed. not really knowing what it was, but I, I think that probably, maybe, yes. Laura O'Malley: Okay. So I'll let them come in and maybe, Matt Kosterman: yeah, that was the other, the other reason for the, you know, to get on here again, we, we went through like a lot of your story, which is amazing on the first one. And so we, we, we, we didn't really leave for your guides to Laura O'Malley: which is crazy. Matt Kosterman: yeah, you're Laura O'Malley: Nobody wants to talk to me, Matt. Everyone wants to talk to them. Matt Kosterman: I mean, you and I, we, we can't, you know, like I said, you're my, you're like my personal auto correct. Matt Kosterman: We can't have, you know, five minute conversation usually without them Laura O'Malley: I know, Matt Kosterman: no, Matthew, no. Laura O'Malley: I know. Alright. Uh, so they're, they're being very sweet, to let me speak. But I'm gonna bring them in and can talk. Yeah, you can just tell 'em about my experience or whatever you wanna say. So, so what, they'll probably come in and give and say whatever they're gonna say and then you can just talk to them. Matt Kosterman: great. Laura O'Malley: Does that sound good? Matt Kosterman: That's good. Laura O'Malley: All right. Who's coming in right now? Laura O'Malley: I don't know why I am nervous. Matt Kosterman: I thought you weren't afraid of anything. Laura O'Malley: Not afraid. Nervous. Different. Well, we are here. Hello, Matthew. Matt Kosterman: Hello? Hello? Laura O'Malley: well, we can answer any questions that you have about this. Uh, we can give you a bit of information about Laura's experience, her experience, and the experience of every other fractal of the God consciousness here, uh, for the most part is completely different. Each of you have come here with very specific intentions as far as what experiences you wish to have whilst within this realm. Laura O'Malley: And the allowance of this energetic, energetic expression to move through or are open up would be more accurate. Open up the system that you are living in, the physical system, physical body. Uh, as this energy rises up and through you, you are, Laura O'Malley: for lack of a better descriptor, open, opened up for greater access. For you are all source beings prior to this experience, but the state of your expression, the state of your energetic expression Laura O'Malley: allows or disallows access to the truth. Laura O'Malley: What is it you wish to know? Laura O'Malley: Well, I Matt Kosterman: I mean, you know, if, if we're, I figure if we're really lucky, they'll tell us what the truth actually is, Laura O'Malley: the truth of you, Matthew, the truth of all of. Those fractals of the God consciousness here. The truth of course, meaning that you are here to experience all that you are not Matt Kosterman: right? Yeah. Laura O'Malley: all, that you are, not all that you do not have access to Laura O'Malley: in the realm from where you originate. Laura O'Malley: I'm sorry. They're showing me all these visuals. It's so funny as they're, as they're saying these words, they're showing me visuals and it's just. How Explain it. We are giving a slide show, providing a slideshow so that Laura is not bored, because often as we regurgitate this information over and over again, she becomes quite bored and takes a nap, and we want her to engage within this conversation, so we will provide whatever is necessary to keep her here. Laura O'Malley: Thank you, Matt Kosterman: So Laura O'Malley: Let's speak about the truth. Yes. Matt Kosterman: yes. Let's speak about this. So, opening up, so, so as it opened up Laura through her meditations, it, it te tell us about what this made, opened her to Greater energy opener to greater flow. What, what, what's, Laura O'Malley: Check, check Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: all that. You are about to say. Check, check, check. Her opening to experiencing the truth of this realm for as you h around within this realm, prior to wanting more here, living within the constrictions of human existence, fear, anger, sadness, frustration, holding belief about how this world is belief that is not bad or wrong. Laura O'Malley: It is an accurate Laura O'Malley: expression available, dependent upon your own. Energetic expression, vibrational level, depending upon how you perceive the world, allows you to perceive the truth or not. And as you, as a fractal of the God consciousness, begin to open yourself to the idea that there is more to this realm than meets the eye, you allow physical changes to take place to your physical body, quite literally. Laura O'Malley: And as you begin to shift energetically. Your body readies itself Laura O'Malley: for more, and what you refer to as the kini experience is from our perspective, well, from different perspectives based upon present vibrational levels. It could be a, a roto, a router, Matt Kosterman: Mm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: or it could be a, Laura O'Malley: well, they're showing me like a firetruck and a hose Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: um. They're showing me like guck stuck in the hose and the hose like exploding out and the guck and the mud and the stuff exploding out. Oh my God, you can talk. It's fine. I don't care if I'm sitting over here. You don't need to keep me active in this. Laura O'Malley: It's really fine. They're like, you explain what we're showing you. Laura, you explain Matt Kosterman: no, I mean that, that, that, that resonates with, with my studies of it. And, and I, I will ask, I'm, I'm assuming that I've had a couple of these experiences as I described earlier, or Laura O'Malley: a couple. Laura O'Malley: Well, from our perspective there is, but one, however, that does not mean that you cannot relive, uh, aspects of the experience over and over again. Laura O'Malley: The Laura O'Malley: allowance of the energy to change your present state Laura O'Malley: occurs, but one time, Matt Kosterman: Hmm. Okay. Interesting. Laura O'Malley: however, Laura O'Malley: it is a possibility that one can call forth a similar experience, a Laura O'Malley: tracing, so to speak, a tracing of, explain that better. I don't understand what that means, and I don't think he does either. Laura O'Malley: Yeah. Talk about the visuals. Laura O'Malley: It is as if. The initial incident Laura O'Malley: shifts you. This is a permanent shift. This is a, a, an energetic shift that is occurring because the energy previously lying dormant within the root chakra is released and the releasing clears, cleans, and also readies your physical body for more. And as you move through your life, as you experience, you experience differently because you have been cleansed or readied or opened or Matt Kosterman: me. Laura O'Malley: shifted or changed. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Laura O'Malley: There are so many different words that's. We can choose in or as descriptors for this process, and for some it is much stronger than others. Matt Kosterman: and, and it can be in the, in some people it's spontaneous. It just happens. You're, you were in meditation and it happened. Other ways it can be brought about would be, uh, serious trauma, through plant medicine, psychedelics, through yoga practices. These, these kind Laura O'Malley: Well, from our perspective, Matthew, it is all perfectly planned. Matt Kosterman: okay, so ahead of quote unquote time Laura O'Malley: There Matt Kosterman: laid Laura O'Malley: is no time. Matt Kosterman: I would put Laura O'Malley: It is part of the plan. It is the initiation of the timing of infinite intelligence. And although there are. Paths, which you can choose to take at intervals as you are visiting here. This path, this experience is determined by your vibrational readiness. Does this make sense? Matt Kosterman: So when, when a a, a being gets to a particular level of vibration through whatever, whatever means this might be, this is when the kundalini is awakened Laura O'Malley: Released? Matt Kosterman: released Laura O'Malley: Yes. Laura O'Malley: The timing is dependent upon the perfection of Laura O'Malley: the vibrational readiness. Let us, let's just speak a little bit about this, Matt Kosterman: for the body to actually the physical body to Laura O'Malley: correct, Matt Kosterman: hold it. Laura O'Malley: correct. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: And the readiness for the experience. Laura O'Malley: When you speak of the different experiences that individuals that you are aware of have had, and you talk about, say the words about, uh, an example being that some have been diagnosed as having had a breakdown of sorts. Uh, again, from our perspective, from the perspective of source and from the perspective of the fractal of the God, consciousness of the individual. Laura O'Malley: Undergoing the experience. It is one and the same. It is perfect. And although the following experience may be judged by others as something having gone quite wrong, this is not the case ever. Matt Kosterman: Well, yeah. And that, and that was the, and that's really the impetus behind having this conversation is that, uh, it's, it was judged as being, as something being wrong by the medical community in, in our society, and treated as if it was a, a. A disorder, uh, typically with strong, Laura O'Malley: Yes, yes, yes. Uh, in the attempt to assist, for the most part, we find that in these instances there is. An intention to be of help. Matt Kosterman: there. Laura O'Malley: Uh, sometimes it is helpful, sometimes not so helpful. But once again, all of you have come here for very specific experiences and holding to this knowledge that every single moment of your experience here is perfect. Laura O'Malley: It is an opportunity to release judgment and open to whatever it is that is occurring Matt Kosterman: So more of a, more of a spiritual emergence versus a spiritual emergency. Laura O'Malley: correct. Laura O'Malley: When one has an experience here that would be judged by those watching as bad and perhaps may also be judged by the individual within the experience as bad, this prolongs the experience and contributes to Laura O'Malley: the lessening of the understanding of the truth of what is occurring. Because the perspective being held is a lower vibrational perspective, meaning judging it as wrong or bad for all that occurs here is not wrong or bad. It is a necessary. Laura O'Malley: Piece of the puzzle, a necessary happening for the individual experiencing it, part of the plan, part of the Sometimes soul contract that has been pre-planned for specific experience here. All that occurs here Laura O'Malley: is the creation of all that is of the source of the Christ consciousness. Whatever it is that you would like to assign as a name for this energetic expression of love, all of it is happening. Quite intentionally, and as humanity begins to see it for its truth as opportunity for source to experience its itself in ways not possible back home in the non-physical. Laura O'Malley: It is quite miraculous all that occurs here. Matt Kosterman: So the, shoot, I lost my line. so we, we, the, the, the beings that we actually are exist in the non-physical choose to, uh, take on, uh, uh, to, to, to put on a veil of forgetting, what we are when we come into these bodies in order to have experiences that we can't have in the non-physical Laura O'Malley: Well, the creation of this realm is for the experience of that which you are not. Matt Kosterman: right. We, because we, we can't have those where, where we in the non-physical. Laura O'Malley: You cannot, because you know your truth. It is clear and you cannot pretend your truth away. This creation is a creation of source, the quite honestly, most brilliant creation. Yet because the fractal of consciousness incarnated into physical, forgets its truth, Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: and therefore has access to all that this realm of duality offers. Matt Kosterman: And, and, and the, the, uh, the, uh, because you corrected me, not the awakening, but the emergence of the Kundalini part of the process of reconnecting our consciousness to the greater, to to, to knowing. To knowing who we truly are. Laura O'Malley: It says opening a window. Matt Kosterman: Okay. And, and the, I I had heard this, I had, I read or heard somewhere described that somebody said. Uh, with regard to the vibration that we currently are as a collective, they said if somebody from three or 400 years ago were able to incarnate with us today, uh, they would, they would witness us as, as light, simply as, as there would be light pouring from us because our vibration is so much higher than what it had been. Laura O'Malley: We love this. Matt Kosterman: But we don't, we don't see this because we're, we're all moving slowly, slowly up the vibrational, uh, ladder, if you will. Laura O'Malley: Well, Laura O'Malley: it is challenging to put into words what is happening. Uh, the, the consciousness is growing in and around all of you that are here presently. The energetic expression of this realm is continually becoming more. it is never, ever, ever, ever, ever. Stagnant and it is never, ever moving backward. Although there are those that would judge it and say that it is, it is not because you live in a realm of duality. Laura O'Malley: As the light becomes greater, as the vibrational level arises, the Laura O'Malley: dual aspect within this realm senses this and begins to push back. Laura O'Malley: We have heard many of those whom have come to sit with us and ask us questions, talk about this realm using the terminology that it is a shit show and we are amused by this because. As you focus your attention upon that which you do not want to see, you feed it, you energize it, you see Matt Kosterman: Hmm. Laura O'Malley: it will never go away completely because it cannot for this realm to work in its intended way. Matt Kosterman: There has to be a, a, a yang for the yin. Laura O'Malley: Correct. But what is occurring is that the fractals of the consciousness are beginning to understand and have experience, which is why you have come to have experience. Experience is how source learns. Laura O'Malley: Have the experience of choosing to focus upon what feels better, what you are wanting to see, the experience you are wanting to have, uh, as opposed to fighting against what you do not want for. There is ever so much more power within each and every one of you as a fractal of the God consciousness. When you understand focusing upon what you want and simply redirecting your attention away from what you do not want creates the reality that you prefer. Matt Kosterman: And I, and I love that. And I, a couple of years ago, in one of our sessions, you advised me or Laura, somebody you know, advised me, don't, don't watch the news. Don't pay attention to the news. And, and it's funny because, I mean, it was never a huge. I never watched the news. I would read the news quite a bit and, and found myself, you know, caught up in it and there was a, a level of guilt, I think due to the programming at giving it up, at feeling like, oh, if I'm, I'm not informed if I'm not, you know, if I'm not paying attention. Matt Kosterman: But I have to say that my life has gotten exponentially better Laura O'Malley: Yes. Matt Kosterman: of that decision. Laura O'Malley: Well, the intention of the news media is to keep you in fear. This is the intention and they do a brilliant job of it Matt Kosterman: They're quite Laura O'Malley: for you. Tune in. And you hear the stories and then you ho worry about the stories and then you tune in again and again and again in hope to hear a different story that is better. Laura O'Malley: But it never occurs. No, Matt Kosterman: never, never, Laura O'Malley: so our guidance always is to turn it off because it is simply reminding you to focus your God power upon that which creates fear within you. And so cyclically you stay in this fear cycle, you are challenged to get out of it as you continually refocus upon. The story that causes the fear one must turn to a new story. Laura O'Malley: In order to become the energy of that which you are desiring the new story, you literally become the higher vibrational energy of that which you give your attention to. And the Kundalini experience you speak of assists the individual in remembering more often Matt Kosterman: Okay. Laura O'Malley: to look away when it does not feel good. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's gotten, I I, it's gotten to the point now where if I'm, if I'm with somebody and they start talking about how bad things are or how the world's ending or what, it's like, it's so dissonant. I have to just turn it off. I don't, I don't, it's, it's, it's very interesting. Laura O'Malley: The more linear time you spend focusing on what feels good, the more dissonance, the more react. The focus upon that which is a lower vibrational story becomes within your energy expression. It feels more and more difficult to look at because you have been spending here now moments looking at what feels good. Laura O'Malley: Swimming in joy, waiting around in the vibration of what feels good, peace, joy, love, calm. What feels good is what is desired by each and every fractal of the consciousness here and the guilt that you speak of in not looking at the story, not watching the news. There are those that will say you are doing a disservice by not helping, by not focusing on, by not fighting for, Matt Kosterman: right, Laura O'Malley: but we would have to disagree Matt Kosterman: Yep. Laura O'Malley: because you did not incarnate into this realm to fix the world. Laura O'Malley: Because from the. Perspective of source. Nothing is wrong with the world. Everything that is occurring is perfect for the sole experience of those here. Everyone has signed up for very specific experiences, and if looking at an experience does not resonate with you, it is your choice to look away. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: You knew this prior to incarnating here. Laura O'Malley: You knew that you had the choice. You knew that it was an option for you to look at what feels good and to look away from what does not feel good. But you have been taught by all that is coming at you. Parents, teachers, friends, society. That you must do something about it, Matt Kosterman: New. Yeah. Right. Laura O'Malley: and our suggestion is to send love in the direction of it. Matt Kosterman: Well, yeah, I would, I was gonna add, you know, it doesn't just because I don't, I'm not immersed in it. I'm not looking at, when I see things, I mean, I have compassion for people who are going through these terrible things. It doesn't mean I don't have compassion, and I do what I, I do what I can. To assist in different Laura O'Malley: Yes. Matt Kosterman: but I say to people who, you know, they, they want to be in this stuff. I like to, to what end? How, how is it helping you and how are you helping them if your vibration, uh, drops Laura O'Malley: Well, Matthew, keep in mind that you are not here to rescue anyone who wishes to drown, Laura O'Malley: and we do not wish to make us such lightness of. The topics of what you in fact, view as disastrous, but we cannot go to the HU human perspective because as we have already stated from the non-physical realm, the truth is so clear and so we cannot step down from our viewpoint and Laura O'Malley: lower our vibrational level to the vibrational level that points, fingers, and screams wrong and bad. We simply do not have the capability from this perspective. Recall that the creation of this realm. Laura O'Malley: Was intending to provide Laura O'Malley: a place where source could experience that, which it is not. In order for source to understand its truth, the importance of its truth, that love is all there is. Matt Kosterman: Right, and we're not talking about the love in the Hallmark Valentine's cards. Laura O'Malley: We are not. The consciousness is shifting presently to a realm where source itself incarnate in physical. Has the opportunity to come to this conclusion that love is all that is. Love is most important to come to this conclusion whilst still in physical, and this is quite different for everyone. Laura O'Malley: Returning home has this clarity, Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: but to Laura O'Malley: choose Laura O'Malley: to allow this clarity to flow through you when you still have access to all that stands in opposition. Laura O'Malley: This is true enlightenment. If another judges you for your enlightenment, you have the ability to understand his or her perspective and send love in his or her direction, Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: but it does not mean that you choose to lower your vibrational level to fight the fight. Yes, Matt Kosterman: Yes. Laura O'Malley: yes. Matt Kosterman: so you spoke earlier, you mentioned Christ consciousness, and I know the first time I, I read that term in one of Paul Selig's books because of the negative programming I had around religion. It was a, it took a while digest that and understand that, that we're not, Laura O'Malley: Integrate. Matt Kosterman: integrate. Thank you. that it, it, it, it's the, the being that was known as Yeshua or Jesus embodied this in a, this Christ consciousness, this, this enlightenment, Kali Baba, uh, all the, the, the Great stages, Krishna Morte and these people all had the same experiences in bodies. Correct? Laura O'Malley: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Yes. And this is the experience of Christ, consciousness, of knowing who we truly are as eternal beings, but existing in this duality that we call Earth. Matt Kosterman: We call 3D reality, Laura O'Malley: Yes. Whilst still present here. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. While still in the body Laura O'Malley: Yes. And this is what we are speaking of for, there have been many whom have had the capacity to do this, but the shifting consciousness now is opening. To the possibility of so many more moving into this awareness whilst still here. It is quite an exciting time from our perspective. Matt Kosterman: and, and, and is this, and so are, am I. Correct in stating Laura O'Malley: Yes, Matt Kosterman: and more people will be having these Kundalini like experiences or Kundalini awakenings, and this will be the emergence of people into this higher vibration. Laura O'Malley: yes. But it is, it may be something different now because as you swim around in this new energetic expression that you call the earth realm, uh, the energy has shifted so much that. Physical beings have been shifting all along. Matt Kosterman: Mm Laura O'Malley: And so those that perhaps experienced this decades ago, their experience was severe. Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: And perhaps it will not be so, so severe any longer because Matt Kosterman: The bodies have already shifted. Laura O'Malley: correct, Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: uh, in every single moment of existence, here you are constantly and consistently becoming more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more now and now, and now and now and now and now and now, and now and now and so forth. You cannot stop this. You are creator energy becoming more in every here now moment, you are thinking a thought. Laura O'Malley: This is your God, power thinking thought. And so you are continually becoming more in every here now. And so as you become more continually, your physical body becomes more continually as well. For you are not separate from your consciousness. You are not separate from your soul, your higher self, your source fractal. Laura O'Malley: There are those that believe that your soul is separate. It is not. It is you. And the thought that is coming through in every here now moment is either coming from your soul or from your ego. Matt Kosterman: There's the, yeah, and, and, that's the, uh, that's the final exam right there is Laura O'Malley: Yes. Matt Kosterman: which is which. Laura O'Malley: Quite easy to determine, although we have questions over and over and over. The same question, over and over and over, but it is quite easy for when it feels good. It is coming from your higher aspect. And when it does not, it is coming from ego, Matt Kosterman: Well, so, so. It, it's not, I mean, I, I understand what you're saying, but I'm gonna be play a, a, the non-existent devil's advocate. it seems like something that could lead to an addiction, you know? Uh, the cookie feels good, you know, the first Laura O'Malley: but you cannot, that is. Matt Kosterman: seemed like a good idea to have the Laura O'Malley: That is playing the game differently because consciously, subconsciously, you have a belief system. And this belief system that is part of your energetic makeup contributes to how you feel when you perceive something. Okay, so here you are, this little bubble of energy t totalling around within this realm and you are full of beliefs. Laura O'Malley: Uh, in Laura's practice, she often will refer to these as blockages, the lower vibrational beliefs, the beliefs that have been conditioned into you. The beliefs that are not truth, they are truth from the human perspective. They feel quite real, and this is intentional, but they are, they are not truths from the higher perspective. Laura O'Malley: And so the beliefs that you are housing within your energetic expression, which we would refer to as lower vibrational beliefs, that is wrong. Uh, these beliefs feed into how you perceive everything that makes its way into your awareness. And so here you are, this bubble totalling around and something happens. Laura O'Malley: Something happens, something happens, something happens. It's constant and continual unless your eyes are closed and you are going within. You are constantly being bombarded by energetic expressions through your energy deciphering mechanisms. Laura O'Malley: Also, your Matt Kosterman: Uh Laura O'Malley: emotion is an energy deciphering mechanism, and so you perceive what is happening based upon the vibrational level that you presently hold. And this vibrational level is influenced by the blockages or the belief system that you presently hold. And as you move around, you are constantly firing new desires, thoughts, constant, constant, constant thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Laura O'Malley: Something shows up and you think a thought about it and feel like this. Matt Kosterman: Looks like me with a cookie? Yeah. Laura O'Malley: Yes, but not, but not Matthew. Because it is exciting to see, because it tastes delightful. And the truth is that the cookie is fine. It is not doing a disservice to you Matt Kosterman: Well, the first one's not, but the 10th. Laura O'Malley: unless Matt Kosterman: 10th one might be. Laura O'Malley: you believe it is doing a, a disservice to you. And the battle that entails within you about how many is un enough Matt Kosterman: You've been Laura O'Malley: is where. Laura O'Malley: The discordant feeling begins because ego reminds you of all of the fear that you harbor within your energetic expression around sugar and how bad, bad, bad it is when you are housed in a higher vibrational frequency. When you are walking this path and perceiving with the intention to be as non-judgmental as you can, to look around and evaluate what is happening based on the higher perspective. Laura O'Malley: That all is occurring to supply soul growth to all those involved. As you practice this perspective, your vibrational level rises and that which Laura O'Malley: would be a better choice from your human perspective to eat is what you begin to crave. Instead of that which you believe is not a good choice, the sugar, because you become the vibrational equivalence to nourishing your body with what it truly wants. And so at this point. It becomes less challenging to be around sugar because you perceive it differently. Laura O'Malley: You perceive it from the higher vibrational level. You perceive it as such. Maybe I'm going to have one of those right now. Yyyyyum. Delicious. But it is not challenging to stop because you are holding a higher vibration and your body knows what it wants and it wants what it needs, not what ego desires. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Laura O'Malley: Does this resonate? Matt Kosterman: for sure. Yeah. Laura O'Malley: Yes. Matt Kosterman: and, and it's, uh, I think it's been, you know, it's described to me as a, it's a spiral. I mean, I'm spiraling up. It, it feels like fall back into the addiction and, and yet it doesn't have the same hold as it once did. It's loosening. Laura O'Malley: Well, when you fall back into the addiction, this is also good. All of it is good, but it is good because it is showing you that there is still a vibrational equivalent within your energetic expression that judges the sugar as bad. It is alerting you that it is still there. Matt Kosterman: Got it. So Laura O'Malley: You wanna be alerted that it is still there because you want to clean it up. Yes, yes. Matt Kosterman: So we must look like a bunch of little, uh, uh, uh, light little bumper cars, energetic bumper cars all bouncing around with little energy, bubbles of light bouncing off of us. Laura O'Malley: Delightful, beautiful perfection. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Laura O'Malley: It's all quite perfect from our per perspective. And as you begin to hold the intention to perceive from the higher per perspective, you begin to resonate at this higher vibrational level. And I. Matt Kosterman: Well, and that's when the thing, that's when the emotions like the shame aren't able to take hold any longer because they're lower vibration. Laura O'Malley: Absent. They become absent in your experience for as you think, thought that feels good more of the time. As you learn to stand in your power, which is discerning all of the energetic expressions that are coming at you and picking out the ones that feel the best and putting your focus upon the ones that feel the best. Laura O'Malley: You are feeding your vibrational self. You are choosing with your free will to feed this vibration to your energetic expression and your vibrational level gets higher and higher and higher. Closer and closer and closer. To the vibrational frequency of your soul, your higher self, your source, fractal, and this is what you want. Laura O'Malley: Because when you are living in this vibration, life is delightful. From your perspective, Matt Kosterman: The human perspective. Laura O'Malley: from your specific perspective, because of your vibrational level, Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. And so the, the, the programming, if you will, the energy of, uh, of feeling guilt, uh, at having more than others is an indication that there's a, a, false belief within, within oneself. Laura O'Malley: that there is limitation in this realm, which there is not, but Matt Kosterman: There is not. Laura O'Malley: you have been. Matt Kosterman: We've been told that there's limitation. Laura O'Malley: Conditioned it has been Matt Kosterman: Beaten into us. Laura O'Malley: co correct. We were searching for a better word, but that is all that was coming. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And it's, I I'll say it, it it, it can be a challenge, uh, to It's a beautiful challenge, but it's a challenge to shift that. It's been, I mean, it's, Laura O'Malley: But you have, Matt Kosterman: I know. And it's all perfect. And so everybody else says to you all, you're all here for the challenge. Laura O'Malley: you're here for the challenge and you know this, Matt Kosterman: Uh, yeah. Oh, is she here? Hello? Laura O'Malley: thought that we were not gonna show up. Matt Kosterman: I was hoping you might make an appearance. Laura O'Malley: Of course, we will never not come when you are present, but you're here for the challenge. Matt Kosterman: Oh no. Laura O'Malley: If it cakes and tulips, it would be quite boring here. Matt Kosterman: It's like back, back home with you. It's cakes and tulips, right In the sense. Laura O'Malley: Sundaes Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh Uhhuh. Yeah. Perfect. So for those of you who don't know, dear Dearest was what one of the, the, the first, lovely beings that Laura, channeled and the first that I was introduced to several years ago now. So, Laura O'Malley: part of the collective part. Matt Kosterman: We, we, uh, we get all, we get all different, uh, folks or beings, Laura O'Malley: It's this me now. Matt Kosterman: and now we're back to Laura. Laura O'Malley: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: I don't know. Maybe they're done. I don't know. Maybe you need another question. Matt Kosterman: maybe I need another question. So let's, let's go to one of my, let's ask them about, one of my favorite topics. 'cause it'll be a segue into some of the, the episodes I'm doing in the future. And that's about psychedelic medicines and from, from the higher perspective. and as it relates to the growth of human consciousness, how do you, how do you characterize these medicines? Laura O'Malley: Well, they're born of source and so they are. It is known to peoples within this realm that they provide access to the truth. Matt Kosterman: And would you describe that because I, I would describe that as embodied access and embodied, in my case with a knowingness of that there was more. Than I was led to believe. Laura O'Malley: It is from our perspective, there are many ways to explain this, many ways to describe this. some say that it is as if reality has been removed because, and you have access to the truth, reality, meaning the reality that you have known prior to the experience. but from our perspective, it is Laura O'Malley: as if it is raising your vibrational level to a level wherein you have access to perceive the truth of what is around you. In all here. Now, moments from the human perspective, there are what you like to call veils or a veil. We perceive this as levels of veil. Uh, and, and the veils are lifted when, Matt Kosterman: It's not binary. You're not, it's, you're not one or the other. It's, it's this, I get it. You rate, you're moving through different vibrational levels, uh, as you ascend. Laura O'Malley: yes, there, there is so much that is present in your awareness right here, right now, that you do not have the cap capacity to perceive when individuals speak of heaven, for example. And there are those that have a belief or hold a belief that it is a place. Matt Kosterman: Right? Laura O'Malley: Separate from this place. It is not separate. It is present here. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: It is a dimension. It is a higher vibration, a higher frequency, and even whilst you are in physical, you have access to it whilst you are here. Using plant medicine, for example, is one route which allows access to lift the veil. Matt Kosterman: Temporarily. Laura O'Malley: Correct. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: There are those that obviously choose to use these medicines in different ways from how they were intended to be used. Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: Uh, again, a plethora of opportunity, Matt Kosterman: Right. No judgment. It's all, it's all of Laura O'Malley: a plethora of opportunity. Free will yours for the choosing? Matt Kosterman: and, and, this man's interaction with these medicines has been going on for millennia. Laura O'Malley: Yes. Laura O'Malley: Since their experiential discovery, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Uh, and would, would you say, in my case, with the experience that I had in 2019 with Ayahuasca, that was kundalini that was throwing me around. Like, that that was the, the, the powerful energy that was, or was Laura O'Malley: our washing. Matt Kosterman: power washing, or was it Laura O'Malley: Can you just answer his question? Matt Kosterman: an energetic power washing. Laura O'Malley: It we are fine with you considering it. The experience and aspect of the Kundalini. Matt Kosterman: Great. Laura O'Malley: Does that answer your question? Matt Kosterman: So Laura O'Malley: We're fine. Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh fine. Yeah, they're fine. That's good. Thanks guys. Laura O'Malley: fine with you thinking that, Matt Kosterman: No judgment. Laura O'Malley: so hold on. So he wants to know, was that a Kundalini. Laura O'Malley: A bubble and a pin. They're like, we don't wanna burst this bubble. Laura O'Malley: From their perspective, I don't think that they think, I don't, I don't, I'm not sure that they're, Matt Kosterman: that's fine. No, no, that's fine. I'm just trying to Laura O'Malley: I don't know yet. I don't know. Matt Kosterman: yeah, Laura O'Malley: what they're, that's what I'm getting. Matt Kosterman: great. Yeah, I don't want my bubble popped either. so, how about describe, can you describe you, you mentioned, and this is for people who aren't familiar with this kind of work, uh, you're part of a collective, like you're said, part of a collective. Just can you describe. Uh, for lack of a better term, what it looks like in the non-physical. What is, what is the, what is the construct? Laura O'Malley: Well. Matt Kosterman: So your energy beings. Laura O'Malley: To put into words is challenging at times, but when you think the thought about what a soul is or what your higher self it is, it is an energetic expression. It is one with all that is because all that is is source energy and each and every soul specific soul piece of the consciousness of source energy is, its self source continually, is a FRACing off pieces of itself in order to have experiences in order to become more. Laura O'Malley: For source becomes more as it experiences exponentially faster than when not experiencing. And so the collective that Laura is in contact with are many fractals of the consciousness that hold the same intention, which is to educate humanity on its truth, the truth of why you have come here, the truth of your world, the truth of your power, the truth of your abilities here, the truth of your physical being. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. And, and you're doing this as uh, outta service, out of love. Laura O'Malley: You could say out of service, we would definitely say because we love you and we understand that you are experiencing suffering here. And although you have come to experience this suffering, nothing has gone wrong. Disin intentional, Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: you don't like it. And so as the consciousness continually becomes more, Laura O'Malley: our intention is to educate you on your truth so that more of the here now moments spent whilst you are in physical. Laura O'Malley: Are being spent standing in your power, perceiving with the higher perspective, feeling all the feels that you desire to feel, and less of the feels that you do not desire to feel. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And it was, and and Laura, the being that is Laura had an agreement prior to Incarnating that she would be a conduit, a channel for this information. Yeah. Laura O'Malley: Yes. This is not her first rodeo. Laura O'Malley: Explain that. What does that mean? She has other fractals, presently, Laura O'Malley: different perspectives that are. Also Laura O'Malley: assisting in this way as well as other fractals that are contributing to her becoming more from very, very, very low vibrational perspectives. Matt Kosterman: And, and Laura O'Malley: Much suffering. Matt Kosterman: much so from a 3D perspective, this could be called mult lives, like Laura O'Malley: Yes, Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: yes. Matt Kosterman: It's all right now. Laura O'Malley: All happening at the same time. Matt Kosterman: So you all, y'all are fairly busy up there. Laura O'Malley: It is quite miraculous. Laura O'Malley: I was asking and they're like, no, impossible. We can't show you. There's too many inside of a clock. Know Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Right? Laura O'Malley: even close Matt Kosterman: even close. Not even close. Darn it. You wanted to get a little preview? Laura O'Malley: it is coming. They tell me all the time. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. Matt Kosterman: yeah, some lucid dreaming. So, what, uh, as people are, you know, tuning in and listening, and maybe they're stuck, uh, they're suffering, what, uh, what advice would you give to somebody, a, to a human being? To move to ascend. Laura O'Malley: Well, we remind you that not all that have come into this realm Laura O'Malley: have the intention to. Figure it out whilst they are here. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Laura O'Malley: a great many more are being born into this realm, presently, uh, holding the intention to come into this understanding and this truth much more quickly than those of past. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Laura O'Malley: But for those that are Matt Kosterman: energy. And the energy. Sorry. And the energy is supporting it because it's shifted so Laura O'Malley: correct, correct. but for those that are quote unquote suffering, we offer you this, that you are a source being. You are a fractal of this God consciousness, and you do possess the power to rescue yourself from whatever suffering that you are. Undergoing right here, right now. Laura O'Malley: The start or the first step would be to spend some here. Now moments, Laura O'Malley: thinking about something that feels good. This is how you rescue yourself from habitual, lower vibrational focus, thinking thoughts that don't feel good. And so if you can carve out into your day, five minutes, 10 minutes to revive your imagination. Laura O'Malley: Think about something, anything that feels just a little bit better than what you were thinking about previously, which did not feel good to you. As you practice doing this during the practiced state of focusing on something that feels better, you are contributing to your vibrational level. Rising. Your vibrational level is rising more quickly as you focus upon what feels good, because the feeling good is the indicator that you are using your God power. Laura O'Malley: Your thinking ability to think about something that feels good to you and it feels good to you because it is a higher vibrational, energetic expression, and it aligns with everything that you want because everything that you want is a higher vibrational expression. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: And so the path to it is to practice more of the time feeling better, and this can feel quite impossible if your vibrational level is quite low. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Laura O'Malley: But that does not mean that you cannot begin to climb out of the hole. This is what happened to Laura. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: She spent time not thinking about all the things that she generally would think about. Which were very, very low vibrational focuses, Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: and she was able to get herself out of the very deep hole that she was residing within because she was giving her God power away to ego, Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: ego thinking, thought that doesn't feel good. Laura O'Malley: Over and over and over and over and over and over again in any here now moment, you have the power to pivot your focus to something different. Laura O'Malley: And if you schedule, it's into your day, Laura O'Malley: it adds up quickly this time. Here, now, here, now here, now here. Now. Here. Now time Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: of thinking. Thought that feels better or good? And as you sit in this space of thinking, thought that feels better or good, peace, joy, love, calm. Your vibrational level is rising Laura O'Malley: and it becomes easier and easier for you to stop the habitual focus upon what does not feel good. Matt Kosterman: which is, which is the other reason to stop reading the news, watching the news, et cetera, because this is linear time spent doing the opposite of Laura O'Malley: Correct? Correct. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I, I used to think that I read about, you know, doing af daily affirmations, I thought it sounded like a bunch of shit. Uh, I believe it was through, the work with Paul Sig and his guides that I began to put him in my calendar and get, and have myself sent an email reminder so that I would read them in the morning and things moved as a result of putting, of, of, of putting that vibration, the positive vibration through my voice into the world. Laura O'Malley: We believe that the most challenging aspect of understanding or perceiving or having clarity about this work is that it is not the affirmation, it is not necessarily the words that are doing the work, but the feeling. That comes with the delivery of the words or the thought that you are thinking as you are speaking the words. Laura O'Malley: And so you can speak out affirmations. Uh, I am wealthy and inside you rolling your eyes Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: and you are thinking, this is bullshit. Matt Kosterman: Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Laura O'Malley: But, but if you can instead imagine, allow your imagination to take you somewhere different from where you generally go. And imagine what it feels like in truth to have something that you wish you had for in using your imagination. For some linear time to feel the feeling of it as if it is already. This is the first step of creation. Laura O'Malley: This is the first step of creation, allowing yourself to feel the fields as if it is the truth, and you cannot get there without your imagination. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, and perhaps I, I suppose I would describe it as the affirmation for me was the, the bridge, because people would suggest, this suggestion, think of something you want, or et cetera. And it was a very hard place to get to, to, to, to make that internal shift, to, to that thought. So I, I just use that as, as one example of the many different things that I've, different I've thrown at the wall to, to move up the, ladder. Laura O'Malley: And Matthew, there is a reason that it is a challenge to get there because you are not the vibrational equivalent of it. And so it is challenging to feel the feels when you are quite literally a projection of lower vibrational, energetic accumulation. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: And so take heart that it'll take what you perceive as linear time to get there. Laura O'Malley: It'll take some time to practice yourself to a higher vibrational level, and the path to practicing yourself is feeling the higher vibrational level before it comes. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: It's the only path to it. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: You must practice feeling it. Matt Kosterman: In order to Laura O'Malley: And as you practice feeling it, you become it Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: because you are creator energy Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Well, we, and again, it, and it takes me back to, to, to plant medicines because it give, it gave me an experience of being at a higher vibrational level that I could, that I could remember. And, and it gave me a, knowing that it was possible. And there's other ways. There's breath work, there's meditation, Laura O'Malley: lots of ways. Matt Kosterman: there's lots of ways, uh, that just happened to be, uh, a primary way for me to, to short circuit the low vibrational loops, Laura O'Malley: We also believe that it is important to state that there is no one way Matt Kosterman: right? Laura O'Malley: that if it feels good to you, it is the way for you use your joy. As your compass, Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: use your joy Laura O'Malley: to guide you and lead you because if you are feeling joy, it is the right way for you. There are those that do not like the breath work. Matt Kosterman: Right. Laura O'Malley: We say, do not do what you do not like. Matt Kosterman: Absolutely. Well, it's, it goes, it goes to Joseph Campbell and Follow Your Bliss. Laura O'Malley: Yes, Matt Kosterman: that, that, that also, has been in the media as, uh, uh, not the media in, in, just in, in, I don't know. How would you describe it? It, I, I had this sense that like, it, it sounded great. but I can't do that. Matt Kosterman: I can't follow, I couldn't possibly follow my bliss. It's, Laura O'Malley: because you have been taught. Matt Kosterman: right. Laura O'Malley: to. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: You have been taught it is not plausible. Matt Kosterman: And it's, it's literally the only, it's not only not, not plausible, it's the only way. Laura O'Malley: It is why you have come. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Beautiful. Laura O'Malley: believe that the challenge is overcoming that it truly is that easy. The belief that it truly can be that easy. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: It was always intended to be this easy, but with much conditioning, you have been taught that it could not possibly be that easy. I could not possibly do what I love to do and receive payment for it. Laura O'Malley: This is why you have come. You have come to be your joy. When you find that place, you cannot stop the abundance from coming. It is automatic. That which is like unto itself is drawn. The law of attraction. Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: the joy. Receive the joy. Joy, yes. Matt Kosterman: Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. I, I'm, I'm sure Laura O'Malley: Delighted. Matt Kosterman: I'm sure that you have other parts of Laura to go, other, other lives to go attend to. Laura O'Malley: We can be everywhere, all at once. Matt Kosterman: I know. It's, it's amazing. So Laura O'Malley: Thanks guys. Laura O'Malley: Wow. Time flies. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, how about that? Huh? Laura O'Malley: Oh my goodness. Matt Kosterman: Did, did they have a movie playing for you or Laura O'Malley: No, no, I was listening. Well, a lot of this was new for me. Like, I mean, a lot of it wasn't, but it was being said in new ways. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Laura O'Malley: and they were, I mean, they were showing me some things. They always show me things. I, I'm, this is a new thing. This kind of started happening kind of recently, I'd say within the last like six months or so, I think where I'm starting to get all these visuals before I didn't. Laura O'Malley: so it's kind of fun. I think they're integrating me so that maybe I don't have to close my eyes and go so deep because after I do this, I do have to go take a nap because I'm so tired. and I think they're figuring it out how I don't have to be so tired after That's what I'm getting. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul, Paul Sig is big. He used to whisper and repeat and he would get really, really tired, the energy coming through. Laura O'Malley: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: it's just straight. And he said he doesn't retain, he retains very little, but he's also not as tired Laura O'Malley: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: as Laura O'Malley: Yeah. I don't know. It's different for everybody. I'm sure. You know. I mean, I don't know. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Laura O'Malley: Well, Matt Kosterman: That's great. Yeah. Always. Of Laura O'Malley: so Matt Kosterman: It's very fun. I hope it's, Laura O'Malley: I hope they didn't offend you at all. Matt Kosterman: no. If they haven't thus far, it'd be Laura O'Malley: I think they burst in a bubble. Matt Kosterman: They burst a bubble. This means I have something to look forward to. Laura O'Malley: Always, always something to look forward to. Yeah. The not knowing is the best part. I think that's the, that's the best for me is I got to this place where I don't know what's happening. Like and I, and I don't care. 'cause I know it's good. I just know it's good. 'cause I'm holding this constant state where I just know if this is what I'm projecting, then what's coming back has gotta be the same. Laura O'Malley: And so I'm just excited. Matt Kosterman: yeah, and I think that's what's, uh, widely misunderstood is the fact that we're, you know, people are bemoaning the fact that the world is terrible and things, Laura O'Malley: Yeah, Matt Kosterman: you are creating the world. Laura O'Malley: yeah, Matt Kosterman: all co-creating this. So co-create some beauty. Laura O'Malley: yeah. Give your attention to what feels good. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. It's okay. You're allowed, Laura O'Malley: You're allowed. Matt Kosterman: it's right on the label. Laura O'Malley: That's, that's, that's what you intended to do when you signed up to come here. But because you have free will, you can do it any way you want. Matt Kosterman: Any way you want. Just, you know, I got a lot of bruises there from hitting the. Laura O'Malley: We all do, Matt. We all do. Matt Kosterman: Oh, well thanks so much Laura. Always great to Laura O'Malley: Thank you. Matt Kosterman: and uh, I'm sure we'll do it again. Laura O'Malley: I'm sure. Matt Kosterman: Okay. out. Thanks everyone for listening. Alright, bye.