00:00:05.21 Kurt Crenwelge Hello and welcome to another exciting episode of Sidekicks and Sidequests, the best unofficial Dungeons and Dragons podcast, in my humbly biased opinion. I've got an awesome pair of guests for you this month for this episode here for March. 00:00:19.45 Kurt Crenwelge But before I get to my guests, you know I got to do it. I got to leave you in suspense with the ad read. And insert part here, transcription readers, where you know all about plus one EXP and the RPG Zine Club. 00:00:32.98 Kurt Crenwelge Make sure you check it out and go to the website. Use the code Randolph, yada yada. Save money. Support the podcast. Ba-ding! All right. And without further ado, I turn the microphones over to my guests, my pair of guests, and ask them, hello, ah would you care to reintroduce yourself and ah tell us who it who it is that you are and what is it that you Oh, good 00:00:58.54 Michael & Elizabeth Hi, Kurt. I'm Elizabeth. This is Michael. Actually, I'm Hobart today. No, just kidding. 00:01:07.73 Kurt Crenwelge oh good old 00:01:07.84 Michael & Elizabeth You got me thinking with Randolph. it's That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. 00:01:11.56 Kurt Crenwelge it's It's a name I have not heard in many years. Yes, yes. ah Yes, so these are among my very first guests of the podcast. ah You know, they were my good friends that ah we all started hanging out and playing D&D together with 5th Edition. and And since then, you know ah you know, our friendship has blossomed and grown. 00:01:35.71 Kurt Crenwelge And, ah you know, we just continue to hang out and and talk out... talk about and nerd out about uh dnd and all that good stuff so uh it's good to see you virtually and hear you again um you know back on the podcast so uh i i hope it's been good since the last time you've been on the show which oh goodness i have to look in the archives here because the last time you came with us um for rock folio 00:02:00.78 Michael & Elizabeth We were very early. 00:02:02.34 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, you both were episodes number four and five, and then the pair of you together came back for episode 60. And now we're already way up here with episode. This is going to be episode 145. So it's it's been a while since we've heard from y'all. but um But yeah, yeah. You know, for those who are newer to the podcast, um you know, ah who haven't had the opportunity to go back and listen to those early, early episodes. 00:02:30.10 Kurt Crenwelge um you know can you give can you give the peoples just like a little like this is who i am and what it what it is that i do 00:02:39.00 Michael & Elizabeth um I am Elizabeth and I am a domestic engineer. 00:02:45.79 Michael & Elizabeth I'm in charge of making sure everyone in this house is fed and um everything is clean. and 00:02:54.96 Michael & Elizabeth yeah And I also paint and i am a master gardener and a museum docent. And I work really hard for someone who doesn't have a paying job. 00:03:10.54 Michael & Elizabeth And I'm Michael. I'm Elizabeth's husband of almost 10 years now. and 00:03:16.03 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 00:03:16.69 Michael & Elizabeth Just about as long as we've known Kurt in our early D&D playing day, at least my early first D&D playing days. I am lecture, 00:03:28.94 Michael & Elizabeth I guess, lecture engineer degree, but IT consultant by trade. um Been doing that for coming on 13 years now. um And then in my spare time, I've been a game master for Pathfinder 2nd Edition, playing the Keymaker module. 00:03:48.20 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, I think that's going to roll in beautifully ah to the the next question, which, you know, as returning guests, this is now your third episode of each of you back on the podcast and the second of the pair you both on together. 00:04:01.93 Kurt Crenwelge um You know, the way we rephrase these questions for returning guests. So since the last time we spoke again, which episode 60 was recorded Goodness, episode 60 was recorded on August 21st, 2021, but didn't actually premiere until ah October the 6th of 2021. So, you know, officially, as far as the podcast record is concerned, you know, have you been playing D&D? It sounds like Pathfinder and maybe some other systems since the last time we spoke. 00:04:33.41 Michael & Elizabeth I don't think we've played D&D much. No, we did. We did the one shot. i Kurt's one shot. Yeah, we did a a one shot. they um um What do you call those? 00:04:44.52 Michael & Elizabeth A heist? Yes. I remember that. 00:04:47.52 Kurt Crenwelge Yes. Yes, we did a... 00:04:48.70 Michael & Elizabeth I think that's all the D&D we've played, though. 00:04:49.27 Kurt Crenwelge Ah. ah 00:04:51.66 Michael & Elizabeth And then but we might have also played um with Charles's ah sessions for um and ah fifth edition module called, ah ah how would it say it's in the Underdark, Out of the Abyss, yes. 00:05:08.40 Kurt Crenwelge Out of the Abyss? Uh-huh. 00:05:10.57 Michael & Elizabeth yeah We made it to probably level two, but but playing in a bar. 00:05:13.39 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh. 00:05:14.45 Michael & Elizabeth and 00:05:14.83 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:05:16.16 Michael & Elizabeth ah challenging working environment. 00:05:16.25 Kurt Crenwelge There you go. 00:05:18.62 Michael & Elizabeth We did recently play Magical Kitties Save the Day for the first time. highly recommend. Especially if you like more of group storytelling and less of heavy math. 00:05:34.51 Michael & Elizabeth But it still has dice, so that is definitely RPG. But the Game Master did not need any dice. pick me More theater than mine. 00:05:45.13 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Um, yeah. So, I mean, since 2021, obviously a lot of things have happened in the hobby since then. And, you know, obviously us being, uh, friends and all, you know, offline as well. And, you know, living locally here in the DFW area, we've had a chance to talk considerably offline. So, um, your motivation for maybe branching out and trying some more of these other game systems, you know, does have to go back to the OGL thing that happened. 00:06:13.71 Kurt Crenwelge Um, 00:06:13.71 Michael & Elizabeth Even ki before that, we met um a person named Andy who unfortunately just moved away back to Victoria. Someone you should definitely get on the podcast sometime. 00:06:23.13 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 00:06:23.70 Michael & Elizabeth um And he introduced us to first edition. um And then Pathfinder. Yes. 00:06:31.19 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 00:06:31.32 Michael & Elizabeth And then all the OGL stuff happened. So I decided, hey let's try a second edition. Let's see how that goes. And we did the I just thought a game called Magical Kitty Save the Day sounded hilarious. Sorry, lying there for Christmas. 00:06:45.45 Kurt Crenwelge yeah 00:06:46.07 Michael & Elizabeth Which I think it's kind of old news by now, but it still holds up. Mm-hmm. 00:06:52.52 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, and so getting to explore and play other systems, um how how do you feel like that's a you know helped enrich your your gaming diet, if you will? 00:07:06.43 Michael & Elizabeth um I really like this reaction economy in Pathfinder 2, and I don't want to go back. 00:07:17.64 Kurt Crenwelge Interesting. 00:07:18.98 Michael & Elizabeth Have you experienced this reaction economy? 00:07:22.79 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, I mean, I know we all went on a, we went on a camping trip together, and ah Elizabeth ran us through a Pathfinder 2E one-shot. 00:07:27.59 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, yeah. 00:07:31.96 Michael & Elizabeth You were all leshies. It was amazing. ah think. 00:07:34.41 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, we were like little dandelion ah plant people. I was the bard of the group, and I think I was, ah I was a dandelion. 00:07:40.35 Michael & Elizabeth You were a dandelion plant. I think that was a mushroom. No, no, you were a cactus. I was a cactus, yes. 00:07:46.63 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, because you were like the sheriff guy. Yeah. So that was fun trying to try to play that with small children sleeping and falling out of chairs and waking up freaked out because they fell out of chairs. 00:07:49.03 Michael & Elizabeth Bisher. 00:07:52.55 Michael & Elizabeth like 00:07:58.51 Michael & Elizabeth I found small children get the most into the role-playing aspect of role-playing games, so it's very funny. 00:07:58.64 Kurt Crenwelge oh 00:08:03.92 Kurt Crenwelge Yes. Yeah. Yeah, so no, I mean, I've ah I've so that game as well as um during one time in the pandemic, ah a buddy from college ah wanted to run some to eat on, believe it was roll 20. 00:08:20.41 Kurt Crenwelge And so that was like I played like one session. um and to me it feels very much like fourth edition like because that's where i got my start so you know i can switch back and forth between 5e uh and and be like oh okay and now that uh my birthday has come and gone um i got some birthday money and i was able to buy the newest generation of xbox series x and then we got and downloaded um ah Baldur's Gate 3. 00:08:49.89 Kurt Crenwelge So now I'm happy to announce that I can finally play Baldur's Gate 3 and understand all the references and the memes. 00:08:51.05 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. 00:08:56.39 Kurt Crenwelge And i'm I'm working on my first playthrough with Duncan ah from the podcast. So I need to take a picture of him and put him up on social media so everyone can see ah my interpretation of 00:09:08.16 Michael & Elizabeth but 00:09:08.56 Kurt Crenwelge of a possible interpretation of how Duncan ah would appear. um So he is just being delightfully, chaotically good, bumbling from one adventure to the next with all the other companions trying to save Baldur's Gate and all the people. 00:09:24.12 Kurt Crenwelge So. 00:09:25.47 Michael & Elizabeth Almost all of my characters are chaos neutral, and I don't know what that says about me. 00:09:31.89 Michael & Elizabeth I once did a um thought experiment of what would all of my characters do with a deck of many things. 00:09:40.49 Kurt Crenwelge Oh. 00:09:42.05 Michael & Elizabeth ah One of them would be responsible and would try to destroy it immediately. One of them would... um want to be responsible, but it would just pick at her um and she would finally start pulling cards. 00:10:02.45 Michael & Elizabeth And one of them would think it was hilarious and immediately start pulling cards. 00:10:08.95 Kurt Crenwelge Well, there you go. That sounds ah pretty plausible, pretty plausible to me. um and And maybe it's a good lett litmus test for all your characters to just think like, what would my character do with a deck of many things? 00:10:21.46 Michael & Elizabeth different flavors of chaotic. 00:10:24.79 Kurt Crenwelge True. um Yeah, perfect. And, you know, Mr. Michael, did you have anything to add as far as ah all the games you guys have been exploring and playing since 2021? twenty twenty one 00:10:36.64 Michael & Elizabeth and pen I think that's covered most of what we've played. Um, we do have a friend who wants to try to play Osric, which is a, 00:10:47.52 Michael & Elizabeth ah a lore-removed version of 1st Edition Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. So we'll see how that goes. 00:10:56.23 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, okay. And I think the biggest shift, as we've found in our years since we've spoken and reported officially on our gaming, um as you were alluding to earlier, Michael, like you originally started off as like someone who had never played D&D before. And then when our group got together, you started playing. 00:11:13.32 Kurt Crenwelge And, you know, it was like me and Elizabeth and like Charles ah who would run games. But now you find yourself in the in the behind the screen. 00:11:22.31 Michael & Elizabeth Uh. 00:11:23.62 Kurt Crenwelge So what has that transition been like as far as like lifting the veil and getting to be in the DMs club as far as like how games are run and world building and doing adventures and all that? 00:11:36.67 Michael & Elizabeth Well, I definitely have appreciated modules. like that 00:11:40.55 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 00:11:41.20 Michael & Elizabeth That helps with the planning part because planning is what makes games happen and not just turn into chaos. Although chaos can be fun sometimes too. um And I've definitely seen bits and pieces of different styles, both from... Half of what I do, I wing it. 00:11:57.80 Kurt Crenwelge me 00:11:58.31 Michael & Elizabeth Well, you have to be be able to respond. It's like improv. 00:12:01.76 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 00:12:01.79 Michael & Elizabeth You never know what people are going to do, but you can find ways to get people to feel where you're trying to. um but i've definitely seen things and styles of things that I see on the internet, ah you know, the famous YouTubers, but even more so from the playthroughs of what I've done with not only... 00:12:13.62 Kurt Crenwelge yeah 00:12:17.68 Michael & Elizabeth um recent people like Charles, but also Kurt, you being my first Dungeon Master, a lot of the things that you've done I like to bring to the table, especially ah kind of a balance between theater of the mind and playing with the little cardboard cutout figurines um of the monsters. 00:12:36.33 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 00:12:37.18 Michael & Elizabeth I have my big box collection full of ones that are specific even for the campaign. I splurged a little bit just to bring in some of that visual effect. In Pathfinder specifically, there's so many things you can do with positioning that it helps even more so in that system than in D&D to have an actual battle map. 00:13:00.83 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, and then it's fun playing with min-maxers and people who just want to roleplay sometimes. So finding a balance between that is that just interesting. 00:13:06.78 Kurt Crenwelge right 00:13:11.31 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, i always max out charisma because it makes it more fun. 00:13:15.40 Kurt Crenwelge ah 00:13:15.58 Michael & Elizabeth I had a whole battle planned for this big bad evil guy boss. And instead of fighting them, they romanced him and won that way. 00:13:24.75 Kurt Crenwelge Wow. This is the power of love. 00:13:25.88 Michael & Elizabeth We flirted our way into the... the Den of Thieves and then um I think we broke one of our players. Oh yes. he had ever gotten and The hardcore guy who'd been playing Pathfinder since before it was mainline or mainstream, um kind of the fourth edition. He had buzzed that module several times and had never seen a group do that before. Yes. 00:13:50.12 Michael & Elizabeth Very unique But it was Charles and i and it just started happening. 00:13:58.95 Kurt Crenwelge the the cue the fade to black and him just the d the the game master just being befuddled being like in all my times of running this module i've never like you know being stumped yeah impressive 00:14:10.83 Michael & Elizabeth he yes It was not so much fade to black as it was, um I'm going to flirt and try to undermine the authority of the head thief. 00:14:23.89 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, interesting. Okay. 00:14:27.08 Michael & Elizabeth Neutralize the minions was the big key piece there. Act ditzy to neutralize the minions. And then they became my goon squad, which is always fun. 00:14:36.30 Kurt Crenwelge oh Ooh. You got a little, you got a little, you got some muscle following you around and stuff. 00:14:42.65 Michael & Elizabeth Well, it is Kingmaker and and she is the queen, so. 00:14:45.88 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, you ended up becoming the queen. 00:14:48.11 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 00:14:49.81 Kurt Crenwelge Pretty cool. Well, i think ah I think this is a good segue to the next question, which, you know, with the podcast being Sidekicks and Sidequests, since 2021, have you come across any new or interesting NPCs or sidekick characters from all the media and the games and the things that you've seen and consumed and done? 00:15:13.14 Kurt Crenwelge Any that stand out? 00:15:16.53 Michael & Elizabeth um Well, for Magical Kitties, I had a self-insert character who was the quest giver. So it was a way for me to be part of it, but not to take away from the main characters. 00:15:30.44 Michael & Elizabeth I was the librarian who unleashed a dragon from a book that they had to go find. 00:15:30.54 Kurt Crenwelge and 00:15:35.69 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, so it was a version of Oh. 00:15:39.38 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 00:15:40.47 Kurt Crenwelge oh 00:15:41.43 Michael & Elizabeth Well, actually, my cat was the one who told the other kitties that there was a problem. But the librarian was a version of you. Yes, the librarian was a version type of 00:15:50.14 Kurt Crenwelge Interesting. Okay. Right, because in that game, everyone's cats, and it's sort of like low stakes as far as like, you know, you're not trying to defeat the apocalypse lord as cats. 00:16:01.90 Kurt Crenwelge It's like, you know... Well, 00:16:03.08 Michael & Elizabeth You could. It's just your your humans won't ever know about it. 00:16:07.91 Kurt Crenwelge there you go, yeah. 00:16:08.63 Michael & Elizabeth You're secretly out there saving the world. 00:16:10.97 Kurt Crenwelge o one One missing dragon from a book at a time. 00:16:19.40 Michael & Elizabeth Well, it was a one shot, so they had to be able to wrap it up. 00:16:23.04 Kurt Crenwelge Of course, of course. Mm-hmm. 00:16:26.51 Michael & Elizabeth The opposite end of that spectrum, though. I've had fun as a game master inter interjecting random characters that kind of reoccur and provide almost a comedic relief, but a familiarity. Anyone ring a bell? 00:16:46.01 Michael & Elizabeth Ah, that one guy. that the take better ne that was and But definitely using media that I've seen to kind of inspire some ideas around that. 00:16:49.22 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, that one guy from that one place that did that one thing. 00:17:01.86 Michael & Elizabeth It was based on the actor that is in IT Crowd and the vampires. Well, we do in the shadows. Yes. 00:17:11.98 Kurt Crenwelge Ah! You clever person. 00:17:14.86 Michael & Elizabeth but that That was applying him to a a bad character, yes. um the The picture in the adventure module book looked spitting image, so gave me some inspiration there. 00:17:27.55 Michael & Elizabeth But I was referring to Rusty. Rusty Shaffelford. Who, King of the Hill folks will know the reference to. 00:17:36.42 Kurt Crenwelge So you had a King of the Hill character show up in your Pathfinder game? 00:17:39.49 Michael & Elizabeth um A mythical version. He's not, you know, he's... He very much thinks there's conspiracy theories and he's usually right, but we can convince him that he's not. but think 00:17:51.33 Kurt Crenwelge Is he an exterminator? 00:17:53.80 Michael & Elizabeth He should be. You could add that to the lore. They haven't haven't dug that deep into it. He just randomly appears went when the need serves. 00:18:00.18 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, well, maybe maybe works in the same guild as Amelia Amelia, the Bullywug exterminator. 00:18:06.84 Michael & Elizabeth don't know. 00:18:10.20 Kurt Crenwelge Well, I don't know. Pathfinder has Bullywugs or similar frogmen or something like that. But, you know, a way to, you know, use the podcast resources. 00:18:19.33 Michael & Elizabeth to call it Yeah, fortunately, we're playing in the pre-remaster before they removed all the OGL stuff, so it's probably easier to equate things. 00:18:28.42 Kurt Crenwelge okay All right. And then ah same sort of thing. ah what's been and What's been a newer, interesting side quest that you've come across since 2021 when we last spoke in one of your many games or B-plot elements in a show or movie or something like that? 00:18:48.52 Michael & Elizabeth um So the most hilarious, I keep talking about the kiddies because it's basic heavy on my mind. um The most hilarious thing they did was one of the kiddies humans was upset because they left a friend at a party. 00:19:03.04 Michael & Elizabeth And so the kiddies stole a police cruiser and parked it outside the party and then turned on the sirens to end the party so the friend would be safe. 00:19:17.00 Kurt Crenwelge Oh. 00:19:19.45 Michael & Elizabeth It's a very sketchy party. 00:19:21.93 Kurt Crenwelge Ah. It was in that one part of town. 00:19:25.05 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 00:19:28.39 Michael & Elizabeth Mine's a little bit outside of the gaming world. um Everyone who's familiar with Star Trek and its different iterations knows there's usually an A plot and a B plot. And I'm sure it goes across different genres besides just Star Trek. 00:19:42.08 Michael & Elizabeth um But on the animated show Lower Decks, they take that to the extreme as a self-parody. And there's numerous hilarious examples of that, of that being the side quest, but it turns out that's actually the main plot in an episode where they go to a really out of date Starbase. 00:20:03.10 Michael & Elizabeth And while it seems like what the captain's doing, because again, the lower decks are the main characters, not the bridge crew. And while it seems like all the adventures the main cast is going on is what you should be focused on. 00:20:18.44 Michael & Elizabeth It's actually the side quest that's the main story. you know 00:20:23.81 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, I remember on the on your episode 60, you were mentioning the Lower Decks, and it does seem like a show that I could get into as someone who's not very much a Trekker. 00:20:35.21 Kurt Crenwelge um But, you know, I appreciate, you know, the movies and stuff like that. 00:20:36.29 Michael & Elizabeth and 00:20:38.45 Kurt Crenwelge It's just I'm not that... deep in the lore and only having just recently, um, within the last year or so finally binged, uh, the Orville, which is the Seth McFarlane parody of Star Trek, which I was like, Oh, that, act that show starts off as more crass. 00:20:55.01 Michael & Elizabeth and And I would argue not so much parody as much as it is a love story or a love letter to Star Trek. 00:20:58.93 Kurt Crenwelge Mm-hmm. 00:21:02.77 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, I would agree, because it starts off kind of like very over-the-top parody, but then as it goes on and takes itself more seriously, you're like, oh, this is actually like, you know, this is like Seth MacFarlane's version of Star Trek, which is fun. 00:21:16.46 Michael & Elizabeth Which he was on. He was a character on Star Trek Enterprise for an episode in Engineering. 00:21:23.08 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, that's cool. And then, of course, you know, Chris Pine and all the movies that came out. I don't know if they'll try and reboot those again ah with like a yet another version of ah Kirk or or whatever. 00:21:34.29 Kurt Crenwelge I don't know what I don't know. 00:21:35.01 Michael & Elizabeth If they can make more money, they'll do it. 00:21:35.67 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. More lens flares. 00:21:38.28 Michael & Elizabeth What's funny you say that because there is ah the one of the remaining shows that they're making is set and they have a new Kirk. It's called Strange New Worlds. And they... It's right before the events of the original series. 00:21:53.16 Michael & Elizabeth But it's live action. It has Ansem Mount as the captain. um And it's got Rebecca Rojan. Not sure how to pronounce her name. 00:22:02.11 Kurt Crenwelge Romaine? 00:22:03.75 Michael & Elizabeth um 00:22:03.97 Kurt Crenwelge Is it Rebecca Romaine who is Mystique in the original X-Men movies? 00:22:06.30 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, her. Yes, she plays the first officer, and then several other new characters and a couple introductions of classic characters. 00:22:08.84 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:22:17.27 Michael & Elizabeth It's good show. 00:22:18.46 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:22:20.96 Kurt Crenwelge Very cool. And then, of course, um the way we end the personal interview section of the episode, Michael and Elizabeth, what are what is a new passion or hobby that you've developed since 2021? And why has this been a new or exciting passion or hobby ah that's come into your life? 00:22:45.71 Michael & Elizabeth Well, Elizabeth's thinking I'll go first. So mine we've talked a little bit about has been changing the side of the screen that I sit on and playing the Game Master Dungeon Master role. 00:22:56.53 Michael & Elizabeth It's been been a fun experience and getting to do that and looking forward to having different people take turns at that but continuing to keep going. We're going to get to level 20 someday. 00:23:09.06 Kurt Crenwelge It is, yeah. 00:23:09.14 Michael & Elizabeth That's the dream. 00:23:10.88 Kurt Crenwelge it is yeah 00:23:11.16 Michael & Elizabeth He's still naive enough to think that's going to happen. 00:23:17.88 Michael & Elizabeth um As a gardener, I focus a lot on vegetables, but lately I've been focusing on flowers. So that's my new thing. 00:23:29.62 Kurt Crenwelge Any particular favorites? 00:23:32.06 Michael & Elizabeth I really like zinnias. Just because they're pretty, there's a lot of different kinds, and they will grow and be beautiful right through our crazy summer. 00:23:44.83 Kurt Crenwelge Yes. The summers in Dallas are no joke. 00:23:46.26 Michael & Elizabeth I, yes, yes. Well, anything I plant has to survive my level of neglect. 00:23:55.10 Kurt Crenwelge True, true, true, tu true, true. Yeah. 00:23:59.04 Kurt Crenwelge Well, I know we're making an honest attempt at gardening this year with um we had to rip out a whole thing with one of our trees and we we put some onions down now and, you know, we're working on adding more. 00:24:10.64 Kurt Crenwelge ah We went to the store earlier today to go get some more manure and stuff like that. So ah my four year old was like, oh, we're getting poop. It's like we're getting manure from cattle and from chickens. 00:24:22.39 Michael & Elizabeth but he's He's not wrong, Kurt. 00:24:23.19 Kurt Crenwelge But. Yeah, I know he's not wrong. Um, but yeah, yeah, no, we had, we had fun today getting all that. And, uh, now if I could just get him potty trained, that would be the miracle, um, of our lives. 00:24:30.24 Michael & Elizabeth Little boys love talking about pimp. 00:24:38.86 Kurt Crenwelge Uh, but you know, hopefully when he listens to this episode many years from now, he won't be too embarrassed. Uh, that dear old dad said that out loud for the internet to hear. 00:24:45.68 Michael & Elizabeth thankman 00:24:48.83 Kurt Crenwelge Um, but he's four. So, you know, it's, it's a little understandable. Um, Perfect. Well, it sounds like we made it through the personal interview section. and you guys Are you guys ready to head into some NPC creation? 00:25:01.46 Michael & Elizabeth Let's do it. Yep. 00:25:10.37 Kurt Crenwelge And NPC creation is brought to you by you, the podcast audience and our patrons from Patreon. 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I've got some framework of an idea, but I'll definitely need to roll some dice to fill in the gaps. 00:26:58.29 Kurt Crenwelge OK, well, is that what we can certainly merge the two ideas together. So what's the framework that you're thinking of working with? 00:27:06.31 Michael & Elizabeth So I've been playing a lot of American and European Truck Simulator too. 00:27:14.78 Kurt Crenwelge Ah. 00:27:14.82 Michael & Elizabeth um So I got thinking along the lines of, well, the equivalent in a fantasy world would be ah caravan. 00:27:22.78 Kurt Crenwelge hmm. 00:27:23.43 Michael & Elizabeth driver, the the person who brings the goods around that he might happen to stumble upon. Maybe they're the salesman. Maybe they're just taking things from here to there. 00:27:32.45 Kurt Crenwelge yeah 00:27:32.75 Michael & Elizabeth um So I'm thinking like a trucker, but in a fantasy setting. and 00:27:37.53 Kurt Crenwelge oh so is it like a like a driver co-driver situation because i because michael and elizabeth know when i first moved to dallas my start was sort of in the trucking world albeit i was in like collections and and finance and stuff like that but i worked for a major company in the 00:27:53.65 Michael & Elizabeth You weren't driving the truck, but you were very much truck adjacent. 00:27:57.33 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Like I knew stuff about trucks. 00:27:58.19 Michael & Elizabeth He was supporting the truckers. 00:27:59.67 Kurt Crenwelge I was supporting truckers. 00:27:59.90 Michael & Elizabeth be 00:28:00.75 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. So is it, is this, is this like a driver co-driver situation? Is this going to be like, one's the muscle guard and the other ones, the actual takes care of the, the, the animals, the beasts of burden driving the, this wagon caravan thing. 00:28:15.73 Michael & Elizabeth Well, we're married. What if we had a couple that was trucking together? 00:28:22.21 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right. So a trucking, ah a wagon, a caravan. I don't know what the medieval term would be, but could be, but quote unquote trucking. We have a trucker couple ah that are moving goods from one point, from point A to point B. And that's what they do. And you'll meet them in a city or you'll meet them all along the road. And that's, that's the gist that we're working with. 00:28:45.41 Kurt Crenwelge Does that sound plausible and and good to the both of you? 00:28:48.54 Michael & Elizabeth Sounds good to me. Sounds good. I might have some ideas in a book. 00:28:50.88 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. Okay. Ah, OK. Yeah, well, free feel free to to use those. But of course, you know that we like our random tables and we have all the responses here before us to use. So um if you're ready to begin, got to figure out some names so ah you can roll a D20. 00:29:09.85 Kurt Crenwelge and help us to figure out what's going to be the name of each of our characters of our of our married couple. And of course, you know, you're free to make any changes. You know, if you if you get your response and you're like, oh, that doesn't fit what what with what we're thinking. 00:29:26.15 Michael & Elizabeth Michael's finding dice. 00:29:27.78 Kurt Crenwelge Ah. 00:29:30.96 Kurt Crenwelge We will edit this out in post, but you transcription readers get to enjoy this just bit of silence. 00:29:42.83 Michael & Elizabeth Do you have male female names or it's just all 00:29:45.58 Kurt Crenwelge Oh yeah, no, there's there's female and male names in this list. um You know, maybe you roll a response and you decide to like alter the spelling of it slightly, or if you're just like, hey, let me re-roll again, then we can do that too. 00:29:59.95 Michael & Elizabeth Okay, I'm intimidated by this dice. Do you want me to get a smaller dice? No, you just might have to roll it for both of them. It's okay. Nobody's going to be able to see this, but it's very large. 00:30:13.44 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, okay, yes, it's a large 00:30:14.49 Michael & Elizabeth Not the largest I've seen, but... 00:30:19.05 Michael & Elizabeth You roll first. All right. 00:30:23.58 Michael & Elizabeth That is an 18... Yeah, an 18... 00:30:27.04 Kurt Crenwelge 18. Aha. Okay. Well, your answer was provided by our previous guest, Jade Antoine. So A-N-T-O-I-N-E Antoine. That's a good, solid name. 00:30:38.01 Kurt Crenwelge And then ah Elizabeth, what do you get? 00:30:41.14 Michael & Elizabeth I got it three. 00:30:43.02 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, okay, I think this will work. Well, this is provided by our previous guest and our friend, Elise Basile. Mina. So we've got Antoine and Mina, the trucker couple. 00:30:56.27 Kurt Crenwelge And now... 00:30:56.57 Michael & Elizabeth That is. 00:31:00.18 Michael & Elizabeth think those are appropriate. So. 00:31:02.76 Kurt Crenwelge They are appropriate names, indeed. um And let's see, the next question we have to ask ourselves is, what is the ancestry of this couple? If you're a if you're okay with, like... you know, one's an elf and one's a dwarf. You can both roll a D 100 or if one of you wants to pick and roll the D 100 or both roll and maybe decide between the two of what sounds better. 00:31:24.14 Kurt Crenwelge top half, right? 00:31:24.48 Michael & Elizabeth What if we both half elves? Which half? The different halves. 00:31:34.05 Kurt Crenwelge the top half right 00:31:39.67 Michael & Elizabeth That sounds good. Had-ups. 00:31:42.17 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, you just want to be half-elves. Or do you want to roll for it and see what you get? 00:31:45.84 Michael & Elizabeth Okay. 00:31:47.77 Kurt Crenwelge 2D10s. Well, the standard array of dice, of 00:31:53.08 Michael & Elizabeth Okay, he's getting more dice. Well, I didn't know we needed to give hundreds. 38. 00:31:57.96 Kurt Crenwelge whoa the standard array of dice of course. 00:32:09.58 Michael & Elizabeth thirty eight 00:32:11.83 Kurt Crenwelge 38. I scroll down on the list, that choice. Okay. So this one says Thrycreen or Crowls, which are like a particular kind of Thrycreen in the Ravnica setting. Maybe Michael wants to roll and see if there's a different kind of, uh, kind of ancestor you might land on if Thrycreen doesn't speak to you. 00:32:28.20 Michael & Elizabeth ah you't know what I don't know what a thread cream is. 00:32:32.57 Kurt Crenwelge Those are like the ah the Mantis people. There have been a couple of Thrycreens that have been made on the podcast. um So, yeah, they're like the bug people. um In fifth edition, they were introduced um with all the Spelljammer stuff that came out. But they've they've been in D&D for quite a while. 00:32:50.59 Michael & Elizabeth Half. Michael got a 68. 00:32:54.91 Kurt Crenwelge 68 okay so there's thry cream there's also the possibility okay this one says drider uh chitney or cold drift those are like spider adjacent um like drow uh driders for sure are like the half spider like the lower spider big spider body and then the top half is a drow um so if you think that those conceivably 00:33:19.60 Michael & Elizabeth I 00:33:20.67 Kurt Crenwelge spider adjacent creatures would be driving a caravan or you know you could roll the d100s again or you know if you are like half elves like you declared earlier that's fine too it's just just trying to lend a little random element of chance into this thing uh you know what 00:33:38.05 Michael & Elizabeth but was thinking about the half-elves and a couple that are half-elves would Part of the lore is that you belong to both societies, but you really belong to neither. So going back and forth, facilitating trade between them would make sense. 00:33:58.26 Kurt Crenwelge You like that idea? I know that, well, yeah, like, well, I know they've done some errata after the fact, where, and I know certainly in the 2024 rules, they've removed half elves and half orcs altogether, um I guess to eliminate any stigmas or anything like that, but... 00:33:59.86 Michael & Elizabeth That sounds good. 00:34:13.21 Michael & Elizabeth No, no, no. 00:34:17.29 Kurt Crenwelge um I like that idea of like, OK, so like they're they're both half elves. They found each other. They found love. They're married. They're doing this caravan thing. And you think they're they're actually facilitating trade between like a human dominant settlement settlement and then like a elven dominant settlement. 00:34:35.16 Michael & Elizabeth Maybe elven goods that humans want. 00:34:35.27 Kurt Crenwelge And they just. 00:34:38.27 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, okay. And so then they go back and forth and do they call either one of those places home or is there like a, they're just, oh, we just live on the road and that's like, we just have our wagon and we just live on the road going back between both places. 00:34:51.59 Michael & Elizabeth I think home is the wagon. would agree. 00:34:55.36 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, home is where the wagon wheel is. Okay. Okay, so then it sounds like we have the job or role in society already figured out that we don't have to roll for. It's just they're quote-unquote truckers. They're merchants. theyre you know They're a wagon team that goes up and down the road, back and forth between these two points of civilization. 00:35:19.80 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, my guests are nodding their head. This is audio medium. 00:35:22.42 Michael & Elizabeth oh larry Not a video recording. 00:35:25.37 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, not a video recording. Okay. And then let's see, do you want to roll randomly for the ages as far as the age category ranges? Or do you already have an idea of how old these two half elves Antoine and Mina should be? 00:35:44.54 Kurt Crenwelge Sure, D8. 00:35:48.44 Michael & Elizabeth Three. 00:35:49.64 Kurt Crenwelge ah Three would put them at young adult. So if you want them to be a young adult couple, 00:35:55.70 Michael & Elizabeth newly married, excited spend life on the road. 00:36:00.20 Kurt Crenwelge Newlyweds? Oh, that's cute. 00:36:02.27 Michael & Elizabeth We found love. 00:36:04.54 Kurt Crenwelge We found love on the open road. 00:36:08.66 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right. And then let's see. Now we get to take a pause on the dice rolling, as you know, and now you get to come up with the physical description. So Antoine and Mina, both half elves that are newlyweds that are part of this wagon, this merchant guild or what have you, um making runs back and forth between the two civilizations. What do they look like when we stumble across them? 00:36:32.92 Kurt Crenwelge How are they going to present themselves? 00:36:37.72 Michael & Elizabeth Antoine doesn't look like many half elves that you would typically see in a fantasy setting because he is, again, on the road. So he's a little bit more disheveled, right? He's got the beard, which normally you wouldn't see on an half elf, right? They would be clean shaven or not be able to grow hair. 00:36:57.02 Kurt Crenwelge Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 00:36:57.30 Michael & Elizabeth So I'm picturing You know. There's definitely a beard involved. Definitely a beard. During scruffy beard. Scruffy beard. Of course, he's got the pointy ears. But, yeah, everyone just notices that and causes and causes them to think for a second. 00:37:14.69 Michael & Elizabeth You know, average height, average build. ah Hasn't really worn on him too much yet, right? 00:37:25.07 Michael & Elizabeth He's new at this game. he Even though, you know, for a half hour, being much older than a regular human would be at that stage. But he's definitely ah not your typical looking half of. 00:37:41.88 Kurt Crenwelge Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes, purple eyes. 00:37:45.04 Michael & Elizabeth Hmm. Gonna go purple. 00:37:48.73 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh. Okay. Sorry. I've been playing Baldur's Gate 3, so I know like in character creation, you can do like all kinds of... 00:37:53.19 Michael & Elizabeth and We'll just bring up the character creation screen and visualize it live. Purple? is there Are you thinking like fantasy purple or like Liz Taylor? It's actually a real thing purple. 00:38:04.58 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, I didn't Liz Taylor has purple eyes. 00:38:06.71 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, she does. 00:38:08.97 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, that certainly seems like a rarity among humans. 00:38:10.20 Michael & Elizabeth It's well, it's there. 00:38:15.91 Michael & Elizabeth Brown hinting at purple. You have to look really close, but it is a real thing. 00:38:20.30 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. 00:38:23.06 Kurt Crenwelge Well, there you go. I learned something new today. um What are you thinking, it Michael? Fantasy purple or like that brown with that tinge that actually makes them like the purplish amethyst or whatever? 00:38:34.79 Michael & Elizabeth Let's go this Taylor purple. 00:38:37.67 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh, okay. Liz Taylor purple eyes. Interesting. And like, are we, Ooh, okay. 00:38:41.75 Michael & Elizabeth He's looking up a picture. It's 00:38:43.94 Kurt Crenwelge Well, maybe we'll have to throw one in the show notes. um 00:38:46.96 Michael & Elizabeth part of who he 00:38:47.87 Kurt Crenwelge So I know the scraggly scruffy beard, which apparently Mrs. seems okay with that doesn't bother her, which is, which is an interesting, which is a good thing. Yeah. You know, I think, well, I know like short, 00:38:59.42 Michael & Elizabeth and part of who he is. 00:39:00.95 Kurt Crenwelge it's okay. All right. It's part of who he is. She accepts that and she loves that. Okay. Is he like black, brown, blonde, sandy, blonde, red? i don't know. Like what kind of, ah what kind of like colored hair does, does he have? 00:39:16.62 Michael & Elizabeth I'm thinking a jet black. 00:39:21.56 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh, jet black. Okay. 00:39:22.83 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, to go with the purple eyes. 00:39:25.05 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. Jet black. And so his beard also is would be very dark then as well. 00:39:29.59 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. 00:39:31.32 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. And then as far as Mina's concerned, how does Mina appear ah in, in contrast, in, ah in comparison, ah complimenting ah to Antoine's appearance? 00:39:44.71 Michael & Elizabeth I'm thinking 00:39:48.25 Michael & Elizabeth Green-eyed and blonde. 00:39:56.23 Michael & Elizabeth I mean, in real life, I'm a very tall woman, but Mina should be very small and slight, like almost half the size of Antoine. 00:40:05.67 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh, okay. Is Antoine a big guy? 00:40:10.49 Michael & Elizabeth I'm imagining him just this very tanked of a man. 00:40:15.87 Kurt Crenwelge Well, he is a he is a... 00:40:16.39 Michael & Elizabeth And not dwarfish. 00:40:17.96 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, not dwarvish, but like, you know, like a tall like a tall, muscular, imposing sort of a half-elf? 00:40:25.82 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. 00:40:28.34 Michael & Elizabeth Sorry, I'm making your cat. Well, this band and you see so. 00:40:34.90 Michael & Elizabeth I'm just thinking of Nina as this little green-eyed, blonde-haired, lithe, tiny woman, always going around barefoot. 00:40:48.56 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. 00:40:51.26 Kurt Crenwelge Hazard. Well, there's no dashboard per se on a on a wagon. ah But, you know, I'm just imagining like the equivalent of like, oh, I'm just in the passenger seat. 00:40:59.79 Michael & Elizabeth They're kind of this, though. 00:41:02.01 Kurt Crenwelge I guess there's like a like a front rail or something like that, but not like a like a like ah a modern dashboard, like of a 18 wheeler or something like that. 00:41:05.00 Michael & Elizabeth And then... 00:41:13.11 Kurt Crenwelge OK. but barefoot. Okay. Um, ah but probably as the marriage goes on, hopefully, you know, she'll be, she'll be doing some, you know, may I don't know. Is Antoine one to let her like, I mean, probably if they're, if their wagon is their home, then probably there does have to be some degree of like Mina accepts the reality of like, she's going to have to get her hands dirty if she's walking around barefoot. 00:41:36.06 Michael & Elizabeth yeah what's your What's your strength ability score? 00:41:40.79 Michael & Elizabeth I maxed on decks, though. That's where I'm useful. 00:41:44.63 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, okay. 00:41:44.95 Michael & Elizabeth It's getting into the small places. and i mean, he can get the lug nuts off, but I'm the one who's doing all of the little fiddly work. 00:41:55.56 Kurt Crenwelge o 00:41:56.37 Michael & Elizabeth We complement each other well. 00:41:56.55 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Ah, OK. So Antoine's like lifting up like the whole wagon and then like Mina's the one that like slips the the the wagon wheel back on. 00:42:08.04 Kurt Crenwelge So then Antoine can relax and now, oh, OK, the wagon's reset and then you tighten the, you know, tighten the wheel back on and like, OK, now we're ready to hit the road again. 00:42:17.25 Michael & Elizabeth When it happens, like, I mean, magical enchantments definitely help keep it a little bit more stable than possibly falling apart, but yeah. 00:42:26.74 Kurt Crenwelge Sure, you just pull you pull the the the wagon jack or something out of the back and just ah crank it up to help out. It was artificer device, right? 00:42:33.97 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 00:42:36.77 Michael & Elizabeth yes 00:42:38.91 Kurt Crenwelge OK, are there any other notes that you think would be interesting ah to to describe the physical appearance of either character? Probably, you know wedding rings and that are probably shiny and brand new because to to depict their newlywed status. Is it like if they when when we imagine the characters are meeting them, is it newlywed as like we were married yesterday? we were married like three months ago. We were married six months ago, a year. 00:43:03.94 Kurt Crenwelge Like how kind of a new newlywed are we imagining? 00:43:10.77 Michael & Elizabeth think a few months. They've been adding while. 00:43:14.80 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. Sure. 00:43:15.13 Michael & Elizabeth I mean, that's nothing in the and terms of the half-elf lifespan. 00:43:19.84 Kurt Crenwelge sure 00:43:20.21 Michael & Elizabeth But 00:43:21.91 Kurt Crenwelge I'm just curious as to like when we meet them in their physical demeanor and appearance, um you know, is it like, okay, like Mina knows like, or both of them know like, hey, this is, we're in it, we're in this for the long haul. So it's not like on a whim they decided like, oh, we're going to just do this and we're, we're greenhorns and we're fresh to this. It's like, no, we've been doing this for, 00:43:45.46 Kurt Crenwelge at least a couple of months or Antoine was doing this already and then found Mina, asked Mina to marry him. 00:43:52.52 Michael & Elizabeth Well, you're assuming that Antoine was the one already on the road. Maybe they were both already on the road. 00:43:59.53 Kurt Crenwelge Oh. 00:43:59.82 Michael & Elizabeth Now they're together. Yes. 00:44:01.85 Kurt Crenwelge Were they running separate businesses? 00:44:02.38 Michael & Elizabeth Mina was riding as a courier. 00:44:06.11 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, okay. Interesting. So she's good with horses then. 00:44:10.52 Michael & Elizabeth yes 00:44:11.45 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, okay. Okay. And then was Antoine, you know, before he got his own wagon, um was he doing like caravan guard work or just working on other caravans and stuff like that? 00:44:25.56 Michael & Elizabeth Because he was the one who was not mobile. 00:44:25.67 Kurt Crenwelge Like, 00:44:31.65 Michael & Elizabeth i He's been in the industry, you know, working his way up. um Definitely a master apprenticeship kind of program ah where he had to do the odd jobs on it on a train. ah But now he's got a new phase in life where he's taking it on his own, but not his own by himself together. 00:44:53.07 Kurt Crenwelge are are they part of a guild or is this like they've struck out on their own and they're just they're trying to build up their business and stuff like that like getting gaining trust if you will for their wagon and for their speed and efficiency if you will 00:45:08.46 Michael & Elizabeth Formerly part of the guild, but breaking off into their own thing now. 00:45:13.81 Kurt Crenwelge ooh interesting going independent going rogue if quote unquote rogue if you will 00:45:17.87 Michael & Elizabeth being there That might be how they feel, but that's not how they can feel. 00:45:22.41 Kurt Crenwelge and ah in 00:45:22.70 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, that could be part of the um the challenge is trying to not go rogue. 00:45:31.22 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. 00:45:32.49 Michael & Elizabeth Because there's a lot of... 00:45:33.83 Kurt Crenwelge Is it a human guild or is it an elven guild? 00:45:37.09 Michael & Elizabeth Well, that was the problem is that nobody really accepted us entirely. 00:45:44.71 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. Hmm. Okay, so just no good pure fit with either ah city. So you're just, you know, hey, we know both societies. We're just going to do it on our own kind of a thing. 00:45:56.86 Kurt Crenwelge And so it's kind of a new thing, at least for the both of you. But you've been at it for a couple months. 00:46:01.09 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 00:46:02.50 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:46:02.76 Michael & Elizabeth yeah Yes. I catch them on their first step. It's not their first row yet. 00:46:06.57 Kurt Crenwelge Not their first writing. 00:46:06.94 Michael & Elizabeth but it might be the second. 00:46:07.50 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:46:08.77 Michael & Elizabeth ah 00:46:10.76 Kurt Crenwelge And if you were to describe each of our characters, Antoine and Mina, with three adjectives, what three adjectives would you use? 00:46:25.30 Michael & Elizabeth I would say lice, bubbly, and bright. 00:46:31.50 Michael & Elizabeth Optimistic. 00:46:35.99 Michael & Elizabeth Brawny. And. 00:46:44.73 Michael & Elizabeth Cutting. 00:46:46.91 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:46:49.82 Kurt Crenwelge All right. I like that. Yeah. You know, we're kind of we're getting this idea of how the the dynamic of the two work together. OK. And then now we get to go back to rolling some dice. So, of course, we like all of our NPCs to have something cool on their person. So what's a valuable item, piece of lore, secret or ideal or concept that each character would ascribe to? So you get to do the combination roll with the D4 for the category and then the D6 for the particular thing. 00:47:20.93 Michael & Elizabeth He's handing them to me, so I think he wants me to go first. 00:47:25.90 Michael & Elizabeth I got a one on the d4 and a five on the d6. 00:47:32.36 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, a five. So you had a one, which is an item, and then a five on the D6, which would mean you have a valuable item. Ah, okay. And this answer was provided by our previous guest, Nolan Page. 00:47:46.63 Kurt Crenwelge Mina has an old goblet from ancestral nobles. 00:47:52.29 Michael & Elizabeth li would Which side? 00:47:54.92 Kurt Crenwelge So, yeah, i was going to say, which side? 00:47:57.59 Michael & Elizabeth and fire 00:47:58.39 Kurt Crenwelge Elven or the half, ah the elven or the human side? 00:48:02.06 Michael & Elizabeth Or do we need a D2? 00:48:07.90 Michael & Elizabeth I think it's from the human side. 00:48:12.61 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh, okay. 00:48:12.90 Michael & Elizabeth And it was a wedding present from my mother. 00:48:20.50 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, okay. And is this a goblet that's been in the family long? 00:48:21.28 Michael & Elizabeth and and 00:48:24.67 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, it is something that she has held on to, and reminder of when our family used to be noble. 00:48:37.11 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, so your family had a... 00:48:37.98 Michael & Elizabeth A few generations back. 00:48:39.77 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, so your family had a fall from grace. 00:48:42.83 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 00:48:44.51 Kurt Crenwelge and with and And now, i we maybe we should have figured this out, ah but are each families, like Antoine's family and Mina's family, are they in turn other families of half-elves, or are they situations of one parent is a human and one parent is an elf? 00:49:07.05 Kurt Crenwelge Because now with this introduction, ah with Mina's wedding present being this old goblet from ancestral nobles that a couple generations, Mina's family was noble, but now they've fallen out of power. 00:49:18.73 Kurt Crenwelge So is this a thing that's like, you know, is Mina perchance like, you know, an elven parent and a human parent or are both of you both from half elven families or I don't know, just kind of interested now. 00:49:34.87 Michael & Elizabeth I think an olden father and a human mother. 00:49:41.51 Kurt Crenwelge oo 00:49:41.64 Michael & Elizabeth Antoine, it's the opposite. That's where he hits his physical attributes from his from his human father. Mm-hmm. 00:49:49.78 Kurt Crenwelge oh And then you have the elven mother. Interesting. 00:49:55.37 Kurt Crenwelge And from each of these opposite societies that the trades go back and forth from, or like completely even different places. 00:50:05.58 Michael & Elizabeth I think in this area, there would be a combination between the two places going back and forth between for Antoine. 00:50:18.47 Michael & Elizabeth I just always imagined the elf in the situation as kind of passing through and 00:50:28.67 Michael & Elizabeth not someone that you, you ever get to meet. 00:50:29.22 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, 00:50:32.75 Kurt Crenwelge oh okay. So like ah like an like an elven bard, perhaps? 00:50:34.27 Michael & Elizabeth If you know what 00:50:37.53 Kurt Crenwelge like you Like your mom's from the human settlement of this story, and elven bard dad rolled through town, and then nine months later, Mina showed up?......... 00:50:48.26 Michael & Elizabeth Like the Greek gods. but but I Somehow all my half fell upset how that happened. 00:51:00.61 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:51:00.76 Michael & Elizabeth It makes for an interesting chip on somebody's shoulder to deal with. 00:51:05.27 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. And then as well, I mean, now I'm just interested in the local politics of this area that apparently, you know, Mina's family used to be noble, ah but now for whatever reason, they fell out of power, which is which is definitely very interesting. 00:51:20.02 Kurt Crenwelge um Okay. And then the same thing for Antoine. Antoine now gets to roll a D4 for the category and then a D6 for the particular thing. 00:51:29.30 Michael & Elizabeth right That's a three for the D4. 00:51:32.84 Kurt Crenwelge A three is going to be a secret. 00:51:33.00 Michael & Elizabeth And a two for the D6. Do I know the secret? 00:51:39.26 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh. Well, no. Well, I don't know. This is Antoine. 00:51:41.74 Michael & Elizabeth hey Take the headphone out. Take it out. My hair gives it up. 00:51:46.19 Kurt Crenwelge All right. 00:51:46.29 Michael & Elizabeth You just don't have secrets. My hair is holding on it. ah no secret 00:51:53.13 Kurt Crenwelge Uh, ah 00:51:54.03 Michael & Elizabeth ah okay my hair is holding on it 00:51:56.50 Kurt Crenwelge My guests are ah sharing a pair of headphones very much like ah Elijah or Elizabeth. Now I can't even, I swear I haven't had that much to drink, but ah ah what's what's her name? 00:52:07.90 Kurt Crenwelge ah The secret of the wallflower with, ah oh, okay. 00:52:12.21 Michael & Elizabeth you have to tell me the secret after. 00:52:14.69 Kurt Crenwelge All right. Well, I'm the, the, the illusions failing me. I know I'll find the movie and put it in the show notes later, but okay. This secret was provided by previous guest, April Hill, Antoine, 00:52:26.61 Kurt Crenwelge You are the illegitimate child of local royalty. 00:52:30.21 Michael & Elizabeth that 00:52:32.91 Michael & Elizabeth All right, passing it back. 00:52:36.60 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. 00:52:37.79 Michael & Elizabeth Okay, so what was this secret? 00:52:39.84 Kurt Crenwelge Sure. So this secret ah provided by previous guest, April Hill, Antoine is the illegitimate child of local royalty. 00:52:50.30 Michael & Elizabeth was my thing. 00:52:53.69 Michael & Elizabeth But you don't know ah that about Antoine. 00:52:53.89 Kurt Crenwelge Well, that, 00:52:56.58 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, okay. 00:52:58.41 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, well, is this something that Antoine would share with Mina, or would he keep this to himself? 00:53:04.00 Michael & Elizabeth He's keeping this to himself because he knows the baggage she carries. 00:53:08.25 Kurt Crenwelge Right, because his elven mother, and then he has a human father. 00:53:18.15 Kurt Crenwelge So who's who's the who who's the royalty in the situation then? 00:53:24.41 Kurt Crenwelge Was it like some sort of human noble? 00:53:26.19 Michael & Elizabeth What, what if somehow 00:53:31.53 Michael & Elizabeth The royalty in his line were the ones who deposed the ones in my line. 00:53:36.12 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh. 00:53:36.33 Michael & Elizabeth And were a couple generations later. So if he's not going to tell me you about that. 00:53:41.81 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, right. 00:53:42.22 Michael & Elizabeth But what side? 00:53:42.45 Kurt Crenwelge big 00:53:43.22 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, then our human. Well, it was the human on my side. Okay. 00:53:47.58 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Okay. So then his dad is one of the, so then it means then his dad is one of the, like one of the the current nobles in the human settlement from this area. 00:54:02.67 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, but he hasn't talked about that. The wedding was very much on the Elven side. Chimera. 00:54:08.38 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, okay. So did dad attend the wedding? 00:54:12.79 Michael & Elizabeth Nah, dad wasn't there. 00:54:14.78 Kurt Crenwelge Oh. 00:54:14.77 Michael & Elizabeth Maybe it was on the road with our guild. 00:54:18.02 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, you just had a a nice little... 00:54:18.83 Michael & Elizabeth The family we know. 00:54:19.41 Kurt Crenwelge Aw, 00:54:19.75 Michael & Elizabeth The family we chose. 00:54:22.90 Kurt Crenwelge that's very sweet. Okay, and that... 00:54:24.75 Michael & Elizabeth Maybe he's not my mom, but other than that. 00:54:28.58 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. Hmm. That's that's very juicy as far as like, oh, my dad's one of the nobles in town, but, you know, I don't talk to him or or see him or he doesn't he doesn't acknowledge me. 00:54:39.10 Kurt Crenwelge And then you have the juicy. This is good stuff, man. This is this is how you do it, folks. OK. And now we get to the part where we need to figure out the side quest. 00:54:49.97 Kurt Crenwelge So is this going to be a situation where both of them together are going to ask the players for help in a certain situation? Or does each character have their own side quest that they're pitching? 00:55:00.98 Kurt Crenwelge And if you need to randomly generate that, you can roll the D12. Otherwise, if you're inspired, you can ah go ahead and lay it out on us what you think Antoine and Mina together or Antoine and Mina separately would offer up as side quests for a bunch of heroes to go and do. 00:55:20.37 Michael & Elizabeth I want this side quest to be something that blows the situation open. But I can't think of how that would work. Well, let's try if we can if it's not gonna break the rules, let's roll for our option from the table and see if it fits. 00:55:34.84 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, sure. Go for it. Yeah, we can mix and match. 00:55:39.78 Michael & Elizabeth We get three. 00:55:41.61 Kurt Crenwelge Three. Okay. ah Well, this suggestion is provided by previous guest, Skyline Stars. ah Perform a bank heist for three dragon toes with claws. 00:55:53.17 Kurt Crenwelge Does that sound something plausible for Antoine and Mina to be able to offer up? Or do you want to re-roll or just think of something? 00:56:04.38 Kurt Crenwelge there's other choices as well. You can keep rolling the D12 and see what else you get. 00:56:08.71 Michael & Elizabeth What if it was a heist from something your father had? But I can't think of why they would want it. Yeah, let's try another rule. I don't but not see that one fitting. How about 11? 00:56:19.98 Kurt Crenwelge eleven 00:56:23.35 Kurt Crenwelge 11. 11 is from previous guest Ben Martin Mooney. Take the NPC with you as a follower slash retainer slash hireling to train them so they can become their own adventurers. 00:56:34.70 Michael & Elizabeth and There we go. I think there's something there on the lines of we're trying to start our own guild. Yes, we're trying to start our own business. Yes. And we want to be we want to be in business with the adventuring party somehow. 00:56:44.24 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, 00:56:49.50 Michael & Elizabeth yes 00:56:50.28 Kurt Crenwelge ah okay, so they want the adventuring party to be their sponsors somehow, to, like, bankroll them, if you will. 00:56:57.66 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, because I'm assuming set an entry party successful because they're still here, ah which means they probably have a bit of bit of gold. We'd like to do some work for them. 00:57:10.33 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, so let's see. So, okay, so I know the note here given to us from Ben says to take them along with you so you can train them up to be their adventure, but we're taking this and sort of spinning this. 00:57:24.42 Kurt Crenwelge So if the idea... 00:57:24.57 Michael & Elizabeth Well, this might be their time to learn some skills towards their bigger adventuring lifestyle. 00:57:34.09 Michael & Elizabeth So we can get to know each other a little bit. And then, you know, benefits will come when they're famous adventurers and how we helped get them started. 00:57:43.26 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. Okay. So, so the, so, so it's more of like an option, not necessarily a quest to be able to and invest with them. Or is there some sort of quest based on this that they need? 00:57:57.25 Kurt Crenwelge Like, is it going to be like a, Hey, guard our caravan sort of a thing? 00:57:59.78 Michael & Elizabeth What? I think there's an immediate quest, yes. And then this is skills towards working together that they learn. What if we had a dangerous cargo and we need them to help guard our character? Yes. 00:58:13.05 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, so okay so we're we're fusing the two. We're working with the idea. We used it as a springboard. Okay, so but you have a dangerous cargo. Okay, and you need the party to go with you because you guys are operating independently. You've broken off from the guild recently, you don't have the protection or the guarantees that normally you would be afforded if you had remained with the guild. 00:58:36.42 Kurt Crenwelge So, you know, so you're, you're making, you're striking out on your own. You're this newlywed couple and you're, you're braving it and you need the heroes to step in and be your guards. What is this cargo that you're transporting? 00:58:51.92 Michael & Elizabeth Be a magical item of great power. 00:58:58.07 Kurt Crenwelge Is it like an eccentric wizard that's sending something to another eccentric wizard in the other town? 00:59:09.38 Michael & Elizabeth will make an encapsulating face. 00:59:14.70 Kurt Crenwelge I mean, there's the famous movie. um Oh, goodness. I can't think of it now. But basically the premise of the movie is like it's war and they're trying to transport some nitroglycerin. ah But like the whole movie is tense because it's like, oh, this this military vehicle can't be rocked too much because if it does, then the nicer nitroglycerin will blow up and stuff like that. 00:59:32.64 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. 00:59:36.25 Kurt Crenwelge So. 00:59:36.38 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, this is this is a rare material component for spell which are often underlooked and kind of hand waved away because people like playing with spells, but not getting the back guano to cast fireball. 00:59:49.85 Michael & Elizabeth But a much more dangerous substance. Yes. 00:59:53.80 Kurt Crenwelge okay so you're transporting a dangerous unstable question mark uh valuable spell component material from one of the 01:00:01.92 Michael & Elizabeth and Yes, and extra extra um bonus for the adventure is one of them is an alchemist. 01:00:11.85 Kurt Crenwelge okay interesting um 01:00:13.83 Michael & Elizabeth We don't fully understand what it is that an alchemist could. 01:00:18.65 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right. That's a benefit. So if your party is particularly curious, ah like maybe perhaps some Arcana ah checks might be able to help determine ah those materials or their value and worth. 01:00:29.35 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. but 01:00:31.91 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. Was now I'm just kind of curious. The, the, the setup, the nature of this. So, Um, they just took this job because no one else wanted to take it or didn't want to risk it, but because, or are you guys left with no options and no choices? And this is like the only job y'all could get. 01:00:51.39 Michael & Elizabeth Maybe it was the only job that we could get, and we were naive to how dangerous it is. So now that's why we're on the road with this dangerous substance. um And 01:01:08.91 Michael & Elizabeth I'm trying to think of what might have happened to to um tip us off that it's pretty dangerous. Well, it's glowing. Yes, it started to glow. 01:01:20.89 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, so is it time sensitive then you're thinking like, oh, you can't dilly dally on the road because like this is growing more unstable by the day or whatever. 01:01:30.75 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:01:32.85 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right. So it's it's not like a side quest that a party could be like, oh, we know there's a side quest. We'll come back to it later after we've grinded about 30 hours of 01:01:43.68 Michael & Elizabeth This one's got the time ticker. It's going to expire warning. 01:01:48.34 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right. Yeah. It's a limited time only side quest that a party could go on between these two points of civilization. Is it going from the human place to the elven place or the elven place to the human place? 01:02:07.24 Michael & Elizabeth It's going from the human place to the elven place because it's something that the crafty humans have obtained and don't really know much about and are being quite honestly a little bit avalier with the dangerous nature of this material. 01:02:25.91 Kurt Crenwelge o 01:02:26.89 Michael & Elizabeth Which is why we weren't aware of how dangerous it could be when we picked it up. 01:02:31.15 Kurt Crenwelge I see. So it's like the equivalent of like the humans stumbled upon plutonium and they're like, well, we don't know what to do with this, but um' we're sure the elves will know. And then you... 01:02:41.25 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, they they knew enough to know, hey we can make some money off of this, like all humans do. 01:02:48.20 Kurt Crenwelge Right. And so then all the guilds in the human town were like, no, we're not touching that. But, you know, with with limited choices, you were like, we'll take this job. And then you're like, crud, this stuff is glowing. 01:03:00.60 Kurt Crenwelge We don't know what it does. We got it. We got a time limit on this thing. We got to get moving. Okay, so we that's the hook to get our adventurers on the journey. 01:03:05.79 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:03:09.86 Kurt Crenwelge So dungeon masters will have to figure out how long this journey will take. Maybe there's ah skill challenges or trials or like ah like, I don't know, like challenges or what, you know, like, oh, can we do like some magic to cool it down so it doesn't explode or something like that? 01:03:28.19 Kurt Crenwelge Whatever the challenge of it may be. 01:03:28.70 Michael & Elizabeth i And the players may have heard a rumor about a place outside of town that has disappeared. 01:03:40.80 Michael & Elizabeth And not just like in a blown up sense, it's disappeared. 01:03:44.50 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, like because this this stuff is strong enough to like dimensionally move things. 01:03:50.51 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:03:52.14 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, OK. All right. 01:03:53.40 Michael & Elizabeth But you don't know that. You just know something weird has happened. Plot-wise, on the far end of this, there is a very powerful elven wizard, and you would have helped a um now much stronger yeah and more experienced caravan couple who can help with later quests. 01:04:14.76 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. So as we're, as we're thinking and we're trucking and we're doing this, so we got the players hooked. They're on the adventure. They do whatever challenges or, or problems face them on the road, but we're, we're thinking at the finish line now. So the heroes have successfully helped Antoine and Mina to develop this dangerous arcane, highly radioactive quote unquote material to the, 01:04:41.40 Kurt Crenwelge to the Elvin settlement for it to be handled and processed. What's going to be the reward for the players? How are they going to be rewarded by Antoine and Mina for their help on this journey? 01:04:55.91 Michael & Elizabeth Did we get any money for this? Well, we get our querying fee, but we have to pay some of that too i to the adventurers for helping us. 01:05:07.06 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:05:08.86 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, so the party will get a standard caravan guarding fee, I guess, out of this. But is there any with hazard pay, of course. 01:05:15.13 Michael & Elizabeth Well, with hazard pay. 01:05:18.58 Kurt Crenwelge um But is there anything else above and beyond that Antoine and Mina would think to reward the players with, you think? 01:05:26.91 Michael & Elizabeth Um, I would want to 01:05:31.17 Kurt Crenwelge Or is there that plea of like, hey, invest in us, and then that way we can get better at being able to do bigger and better, more dangerous jobs? 01:05:39.12 Michael & Elizabeth I want to tug at their heartstrings and the hazard pay is going to bankrupt us. Like, we have barely get any... we don't really even get enough to cover costs if we're paying them enough. 01:05:54.65 Michael & Elizabeth But what we can promise them is something in the future which, when they do bump into us, they get that reward that pays off first. 01:05:54.95 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. 01:06:02.76 Michael & Elizabeth But if they're they're noble of heart and truly good aligned, then the wizard that we were delivering to will recognize that and will pay them in powerful magic items. 01:06:21.26 Kurt Crenwelge Ooh. Okay. So, okay. When they make the delivery, the wizard takes notice. The elven wizard takes notice and then we'll decide to like work with the party on stuff. And then as well, there's 01:06:31.07 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, and we we assume the party helped prevent a disaster of, know, epic proportions, even though they didn't know that that's what they were getting into at the beginning. 01:06:37.16 Kurt Crenwelge epic proportions. 01:06:42.91 Kurt Crenwelge I see. And then, you know, tying it back to the random dice roll that we had, um you know, there's that plea or there's that ah request as well of like, hey, if you invest with us, maybe give us a little bit of maybe don't take as much money from us or, hey, if you can help us invest, then we can be, you know, down the road when you meet us again, we'll be more competent, we'll be highly 01:06:51.65 Michael & Elizabeth yeah 01:07:07.02 Kurt Crenwelge you know, will be competitive against all the standard um guild caravans and stuff like that going between the two settlements. 01:07:15.70 Michael & Elizabeth I think it would depend on what the goals of the party are, because some parties just want cool loot and some want to go run around and hit things, and some are... 01:07:29.65 Michael & Elizabeth genuinely trying to build a kingdom somehow, because that's what happened in your game. That's what's happening in Kingmaker, which is the point of Kingmaker. So if they were genuinely trying to build up a kingdom, then it would be helpful. 01:07:43.56 Kurt Crenwelge Or have a bastion. 01:07:45.50 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:07:46.23 Kurt Crenwelge Like in 2024 rules, yeah. 01:07:46.84 Michael & Elizabeth um It would be very helpful to have some people who know the roads and are happy to take messages and are very, very grateful. 01:08:00.46 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, so you could potentially gain their network insights as far as deliveries are concerned. And I know through this episode, we've been saying, oh, it's just between like this human and elven settlement. 01:08:12.65 Kurt Crenwelge But, you know, ah you know that's that's too narrow of a box. 01:08:15.82 Michael & Elizabeth You gotta start somewhere. 01:08:17.37 Kurt Crenwelge Right, you start somewhere, maybe that's their primary route, but there are other settlements nearby. 01:08:17.50 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. 01:08:22.13 Kurt Crenwelge And because they're constantly on the road, they're always... 01:08:23.98 Michael & Elizabeth And that's where the play that's where the dungeon master would adapt this their situation. right, here's a small thing. What's the bigger picture? 01:08:33.10 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Okay. So being able to invest in them, have them become allies or involved with their bastions, their strongholds, their kingdoms or whatever. And now you've got this dedicated caravan courier. 01:08:46.71 Kurt Crenwelge And now, you know, if you're making, you know, candles, 01:08:49.91 Michael & Elizabeth That you meet up with periodically and are happy to take extra bulk off of you to your back throttle. 01:08:56.59 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, okay. So they can make delivery runs for you. So when you're done plundering the dungeons, they can, uh, they can just, oh you have that, you know, 4,000 pounds of copper coin. Sure. We'll, we'll haul that back to your, maybe not 4,000 pounds, but however many hundreds of pounds of, uh, of, of coinage on you. Sure. We'll run that back to your castle. No problem. 01:09:18.13 Michael & Elizabeth Exactly. 01:09:19.38 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right. Well, okay, so we know the the the the consequence of success, but what's going be the consequence of failure? I mean, it seems... 01:09:27.87 Michael & Elizabeth Well, I think there is a couple options. have 01:09:30.14 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, yeah, what are we thinking? 01:09:32.29 Michael & Elizabeth Well, I think the most obvious one is total failure, which would be likely a TPK. 01:09:38.40 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. 01:09:42.61 Michael & Elizabeth You plane shift? Well, true. Yeah, maybe it's not instant death. Maybe, you know, depending on what their capabilities are, but you could. 01:09:54.39 Michael & Elizabeth take one or many of the party and play and ship them to somewhere else. 01:09:59.95 Kurt Crenwelge okay yeah so the the materials get overwhelmed like you either take too long or you refuse um i don't know i'm just 01:10:08.62 Michael & Elizabeth Or you try to you try to stabilize them and make wrong action. 01:10:14.12 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, okay. And so we're imagining these materials have a lot to do with like plane teleporting, shifting sorts of magics. 01:10:24.88 Kurt Crenwelge And so if you get it wrong or you take too long or you delay and refuse some sort of like catac cataclysmic plane shift occurs and now suddenly like as you were alluding to this other community that people are talking about in the nearby rumors in the area well now suddenly this whole chunk of the city is just gone or whatever because or like this whole section of the road or forest or whatever is gone like it just disappeared there's just like a huge crater like whatever was here is gone now sort of a thing 01:11:00.44 Kurt Crenwelge And the players may go with it to a different plane of existence, you think? 01:11:05.30 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:11:07.70 Michael & Elizabeth Additionally, there could be another failure path where the delivery doesn't happen. It's not catastrophic, but some of the backstory between how and why that's being ah transported from humans to the elves has something to do with our characters or our NPCs ah side quests, their backgrounds of their families. 01:11:33.39 Kurt Crenwelge you think human, human noble dad had something to do with this as far as like, Oh, I know what this stuff was. 01:11:34.63 Michael & Elizabeth How? 01:11:40.43 Kurt Crenwelge I knew that it was dangerous. And so i better just get it to the elves. And if they don't get it in time or 01:11:48.18 Michael & Elizabeth Well, it could be something about how they're in power, right? Maybe the elves had something to do with it, or... um you and of the regime change that happened many generations ago. 01:12:03.14 Michael & Elizabeth And this is part of keeping that working. 01:12:03.18 Kurt Crenwelge Oh. Hmm. Right. 01:12:05.59 Michael & Elizabeth And maybe the players decide if they know they're trying to help the old regime out, maybe this is a way they can put thorn in the side of status quo. 01:12:18.64 Michael & Elizabeth But that would mean betraying these this very innocent young couple. Right. Depends on what they know. 01:12:24.35 Kurt Crenwelge right Okay, that's cool. Okay, so yeah, so Antoine's dad, ah you know, well also then that means then that ah Antoine, you know, even though he's illegitimate, technically, I guess, would have a stake in the nobles of the human kingdom or place, right? 01:12:44.91 Kurt Crenwelge Because, you know, that's who is his dad is. 01:12:47.02 Michael & Elizabeth yeah 01:12:48.34 Kurt Crenwelge um 01:12:48.50 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:12:49.21 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, so that yeah so further complications and interlinking between these two groups. Okay, so Yeah, there's there's a lot to play with as far as ah ah as far as a DM is concerned of like how deep and intricate they want the politics to get between ah these two places in this entire region. 01:13:07.55 Kurt Crenwelge Okay, that's interesting. And then is this something that the couple would be able to work through depending on maybe like the persuasions and the roles and stuff like that of the players, like if they're invested in this couple or is it just like you know the worst case scenario, like this couple is done and ruined or something like that because of the fallout of the bad delivery or whatever. 01:13:36.13 Kurt Crenwelge Or does this whole realm, this whole region plunge into conflict or something like that? 01:13:36.52 Michael & Elizabeth I think it would. 01:13:41.63 Michael & Elizabeth I think there'll be bigger things outside of that relationship, but I think they would hold strong. Yes. 01:13:48.07 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, that's nice. It's ah good. In spite of everything, there might be, ah you know, hurt feelings or something like that. But, you know, they'd be able to, you know, ah find their, you know, their strength and their marriage and their love and and be able to carry through. 01:14:01.95 Kurt Crenwelge That's that's that's good. 01:14:02.95 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah. 01:14:03.09 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. Because many people will be like, oh, no, they're totally destroyed. You know, they can't ever trust each other again. But no, it's like they they truly, deeply in their hearts love each other. 01:14:13.65 Kurt Crenwelge um and But they will just have to bear the burden of this terrible thing, I guess, but they'll bear it together. 01:14:20.89 Michael & Elizabeth Mina would feel horribly betrayed, and that could be part of the ongoing quest. defend Of making amends. Yes. 01:14:30.02 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. And then do you feel like these are pretty well rounded out characters or do you want to explore any optional questions or do you feel like Antoine and Mina, the ah quote unquote truckers are pretty well figured out? 01:14:44.18 Michael & Elizabeth I think we've given Dungeon Masters a good starting point, and we'll let them take it from there. 01:14:49.34 Kurt Crenwelge Alrighty. 01:14:49.60 Michael & Elizabeth We just world-builded. We didn't just character build. 01:14:53.45 Kurt Crenwelge That's true. And I think it's time we throw Antoine and Mina into ah random encounter. 01:15:07.07 Kurt Crenwelge And insert here for the final ad read from Zencaster. Be sure to use Zencaster if you're going to start a podcast. ah Use my code SideKQPodcast at ah pricing. 01:15:19.22 Kurt Crenwelge Zencaster.com forward slash pricing. And you can get a discount on your on your paid plan for Zencaster. So doing that supports the podcast. So thank you very much. And back to the show. 01:15:30.71 Kurt Crenwelge All right. So now, you know, we're here in the random encounter section. So we get to do a little bit of a role play, vignette, a scene with our characters made here today. So we've got Antoine, we've got Mina. 01:15:41.20 Kurt Crenwelge But the question is, ah what sort of scene are you interested in presenting them in today? Is this going to be um one of the podcast adventuring characters? 01:15:52.01 Kurt Crenwelge Meeting the couple and agreeing to be their guard on this caravan. Is it something to do with ah like a scene between the two of them? Maybe discussing their life and how things are and the lead up, the build up to taking this job? 01:16:09.48 Kurt Crenwelge um Or is it like some sort of ah beef or encounter situation? With one of these guilds, if you will, and like, oh, we're going to strike it out on our own or or I don't know what kind of scene are you interested in presenting Antoine and Mina in today? 01:16:23.62 Michael & Elizabeth um I would either want to do them taking the job or at the end of the job where they realize they really can't afford to pay anything. 01:16:36.33 Michael & Elizabeth Or at least they're they're being very noble and paying everything that they got and are just completely destitute at this point. Yeah, so we'll use the podcast characters to simulate having made it to the end of the quest and what would happen at the end. 01:16:52.35 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, okay, so you want to fast forward on that. Okay. So you, of course, know pretty well by now the roster of characters that we have. Do I need to go through the Rolodex real quick, or do you have an idea of who you think um they would meet at this point? 01:17:12.92 Kurt Crenwelge Happy to go through the Rolodex of characters, if you'd like. 01:17:19.96 Michael & Elizabeth Let's do the Rolodex. 01:17:20.11 Kurt Crenwelge My... Sure. Okay. So we've got Duncan, the recklessly brave adventurer for hire, happy-go-lucky, no task too small, no feet too daring, sort of a fighter adventurer guy. 01:17:32.17 Kurt Crenwelge We've got Sonya, who started off as the warrior woman and then multiclassed into a paladin who serves to ah who serves a god to redeem the undead. We have Korak, the lawful evil arcane trickster roguish dwarf, and Chrisley, the herbalist botanist wood elf druid, who then multiclassed into a cleric of a god who serves living memory. 01:17:56.66 Kurt Crenwelge We then have Orion, who's the astral elf illusionist wizard, We've got Agape, who is the lilac-colored tiefling Sorlock. 01:18:07.06 Kurt Crenwelge Started off as a wild magic sorcerer and then made a warlock pact with an archfey, a Prosperina of the podcast. We have life spell who is the, uh, gnome necromancer with his, uh, skeletal man servant Octavius. 01:18:26.71 Kurt Crenwelge And then we've also got, uh, and Berlin mithril shaper who is a dwarven bard lady. um I think that pretty well covers all of the characters that have been created on the podcast. But if you feel like none of them really captures what you're looking for, then we can always roll up a brand new podcast adventure character um to go on the journey with them. 01:18:50.89 Michael & Elizabeth I would want to deal with the Paladin. 01:18:54.25 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, Sonya, the warrior woman paladin. 01:18:59.47 Michael & Elizabeth That's an option. What if it's Hobart and Ellie way? Oh. 01:19:07.74 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, so Hobart and Eliwick are the two adventurer characters ah that Michael and Elizabeth originally played in the five e campaign with me. 01:19:18.60 Kurt Crenwelge So it would be the both of you ah interacting with the NPCs then of of this episode. 01:19:28.21 Kurt Crenwelge Or do you want to meet with Sonia? Or does Sonia have Hobart and Eliwick in tow? 01:19:35.52 Michael & Elizabeth I like the Hobart and Eliwick. yeah So you know Eliwick is a bleeding heart in his and And if she wants to get paid, but she's also... Yeah, but I think, Kurt, you should play Hobart and Eliwick. 01:19:49.25 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, I should play them both. Oh gosh. 01:19:51.04 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, we'll throw a curveball in here. 01:19:51.33 Kurt Crenwelge I'm going I'm going to need. yeah I was going to say, I'm going to need some notes on a, so, so I mean, I can, I can try and do this, but I mean, I feel like very, you're there, your characters. 01:19:59.82 Michael & Elizabeth Or we could do it, Ed. Yeah. 01:20:05.27 Kurt Crenwelge But then each of you you'd be playing like two characters each, um which is why I was saying if you wanted to compromise with having all these characters involved, Sonya could be with Hobart and Eliwick. 01:20:15.41 Kurt Crenwelge And then they stumble upon this other couple. You just would have to say like Eliwick then says or Mina says or Antoine says or Hobart says. 01:20:25.78 Kurt Crenwelge It's up to you. 01:20:28.25 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, let's try that. Okay. Michael says he wants to try 01:20:31.47 Kurt Crenwelge yeah oh Okay. All right. So we're going to try it. So doing a little bit of a of blu and I don't know about blurring the lines is the right analogy, but we're we're blending and we're meshing. 01:20:42.27 Michael & Elizabeth Mixing the multiverse. 01:20:43.49 Kurt Crenwelge We're mixing the multiverse. There we go. Okay. ah So would you like to set the scene or would you like for me to set the scene? 01:20:50.76 Michael & Elizabeth You set the scene. 01:20:52.35 Kurt Crenwelge Okay. All right, where we last left Sonia on her adventure. She had met up with ah Steinway and Mabel, who were the servitor. 01:21:03.84 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, no, actually, scratch that. I'll reboot us in because there's actually a sooner adventure that she was in. Where we last left our character, Sonia, she had stumbled across this border town and she had met up with Ambrose Eusebius and this um sort of unsettling sort of thing going on with that town. 01:21:25.85 Kurt Crenwelge And we'll say it was a ah miraculous sort of a thing with ah discovering the plot or the hidden heresy, if you will. And feeling the call of her God, ah she went and dealt with him ah in ah dramatic way. 01:21:41.46 Kurt Crenwelge What that is, i don't know. That's up for you to determine. ah But after that adventure, um we'll say she was able to try and make herself back away from the front lines where this lich was sort of operating. 01:21:55.18 Kurt Crenwelge ah She felt the call and pull of her God elsewhere. And she found herself ah companioned with a dwarven ranger and a forest gnome bard. 01:22:09.02 Kurt Crenwelge And they make their way into this... human dominant settlement uh that's you know a little closer inland uh and so sonia and hobart and elliwick have had a little bit of an opportunity to get to bond and know each other and of course sonia is this you know very tall muscular human uh woman and then you know um ah a dwarven man and ah in a gnomish woman um So, yeah, as as we're getting set up in this scene where this big meeting of of things are going to occur, um where are we going to find the the trio of them as as they make their way to meeting this young married couple? 01:22:53.52 Michael & Elizabeth Well, are they at the end of the quest or at the beginning of the quest? 01:22:56.64 Kurt Crenwelge Oh, right. That's right. Right. Right. you That's what you said is that ah they were all going to be at the end of the quest. So there's ups and downs. There's drama. There's twists and turns. They they meet this couple and they decide to take the job um and they they make it to the end of the journey. 01:23:12.47 Kurt Crenwelge And and 01:23:13.38 Michael & Elizabeth without exploding or disappearing. 01:23:14.92 Kurt Crenwelge without exploding or disappearing. Uh, and, uh, yeah, I guess they come up upon this, uh, mage's tower and this, uh, elven mage comes out and he's very happy to have the delivery. Uh, and he begins to use telekinesis and his other arcane powers, uh, to move these goods from the wagon up to his tower. 01:23:37.71 Kurt Crenwelge And as this is happening, now we're having this dialogue and this scene, uh, And so Sonya is just kind of like wiping her brow and she's just being like, wow, that was a that was a harrowing journey that we shared on the road all. But I'm glad that we and we made it here to the to the end of the journey and the cargo is delivered safely. 01:23:57.59 Kurt Crenwelge Whoo. 01:24:01.06 Michael & Elizabeth Hobart shares relief that they were able to get it in time before um what they assumed would happen as the glowing was increasing in frequency of some kind of chas cataclysmic event. 01:24:19.79 Michael & Elizabeth ah I imagine the mage was relieved and took care of it right away when they got there. So he's kind of coming me down from that stressful high. 01:24:30.81 Kurt Crenwelge You 01:24:31.96 Michael & Elizabeth um L.A. is looking to get paid. After all of that. So she goes up to... So she goes up to... Antoine and... Antoine and Nina. 01:24:48.47 Michael & Elizabeth like so 01:24:54.89 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, yes, yes, yes. ah we We do owe you. Sorry, we're we're quite new at this. I didn't handle the finances on my fire gold work. um that Let me go just meet with my compatriot. um Darling. Asmina, 01:25:12.82 Michael & Elizabeth the mage didn't give us very much gold. What do you mean? I mean, they they've been with us this whole time. We've We can give them all of this gold and it's not going to hardly cover what they've done for us. 01:25:29.58 Michael & Elizabeth And I mean, know we can sleep in the wagon, but there's not enough to resupply. 01:25:40.91 Michael & Elizabeth Well, I think the best we can do is tell them our situation. Pray to the gods that they'll be understanding. I think the honorable thing to do is to give them the gold. They've more than put their lives at risk for us. 01:25:57.27 Michael & Elizabeth well We'll make it. 01:26:03.26 Michael & Elizabeth All right. So, Edwine goes back to Ellie Whedon. Brings... A smaller bag than maybe she was expecting it to be gold and to hear this is all we have. 01:26:15.50 Michael & Elizabeth We cannot repay you for what you did to help us help our people. 01:26:25.23 Michael & Elizabeth Eliwood probably doesn't understand that they just gave her everything. 01:26:34.73 Michael & Elizabeth Maybe Sonya understands. 01:26:37.31 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, I think Sonya rolls an insight check and perhaps guided by the hand of fate from the God that she serves. ah She gets like a critical success on her insight check. 01:26:48.53 Kurt Crenwelge And, you know, and getting to know through the journey, you know, Eliwick has been great with playing songs and regaling with tail going on about her great epic friendship that she had with Barbie, ah the half orc barbarian. 01:27:02.27 Kurt Crenwelge And, you know, she found Eliwick and Sonia have sort of developed a kinship as well because, you know, oh, you know, you reminded me of my my dearest friend, you know, who's back who's back at our keep or whatnot. 01:27:14.51 Kurt Crenwelge um And so, ah you know, so Sonia like takes a moment to like set her, you know, her barbarian paladin muscular lady hand on Eliwick's shoulder and just like very quietly says to her like, 01:27:29.12 Kurt Crenwelge No, we can be good with what they promised us. They don't have to, you know you know, just kind of look, giving her a look like, come on, you're asking them to give up everything that they have just to just to satiate your need for for money sort of a thing. 01:27:51.93 Michael & Elizabeth And then Witt goes, oh. 01:27:55.96 Michael & Elizabeth So that's what happened. 01:28:02.17 Michael & Elizabeth We have to give the money back. 01:28:04.36 Kurt Crenwelge I mean, what would Eduardo think? Sonia will lay in to perhaps guilt trip Eliwick a little bit on that. 01:28:14.08 Michael & Elizabeth Um, Eduardo would do some Robin Hood craziness right now, but 01:28:23.21 Michael & Elizabeth But he's not here because that would be even more complicated. More background characters. Hobart says, we have enough. It was fun, wasn't it? Yeah, it was fun. 01:28:37.07 Michael & Elizabeth Reminds me of the good old days when nobody died. Nobody died. 01:28:43.20 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, from what you told me, you are all sitting comfortably in a castle. 01:28:43.68 Michael & Elizabeth No children were harmed. 01:28:47.19 Kurt Crenwelge ah Last I heard. From what you told me in your tales, is this this is true. Is it not correct? 01:28:54.08 Michael & Elizabeth Well, the details are fuzzy. ah Hobart had a lot to drink. 01:28:59.89 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, you did drink me. um you know you You beat me in those drinking contests fair and square, mr Master Iron Bear. iron bear 01:29:08.50 Michael & Elizabeth But we, I mean, we can't just, it would dishonor them to give them the money back. What if we told them, hey, we actually need you you Be a courier for us. 01:29:25.27 Michael & Elizabeth Perhaps they could run ah storehouse at our bastion. Oh, yes. 01:29:31.61 Kurt Crenwelge There you go. That sounds like ah that sounds like a good compromise. you know take Take what's fair and owed from the the wages of of the journey, the wages of peril. 01:29:42.16 Kurt Crenwelge ah Wink, I think, was the name of the movie. ah We'll take our wages from this peril that we undertook. And then, you know, perhaps you can have them ah work with you and your bastion, your stronghold. 01:29:54.76 Kurt Crenwelge And they can help you grow and attain even greater... epic legends and and such. 01:30:04.99 Michael & Elizabeth Yeah, and so we gain a follower, basically. 01:30:10.07 Kurt Crenwelge I think that sounds like a fair plan. I think my God would smile upon that. 01:30:15.40 Michael & Elizabeth Excellent. Now, where in this elven town is there somewhere to trick? 01:30:24.27 Kurt Crenwelge And so then Sonya, I think, 01:30:25.72 Michael & Elizabeth Eli Wick and Sohnitko will give back some money. 01:30:28.54 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah. they They exactly they go back to lead the money. And the so now talking to this other couple, Sonia will be like, I think we've come to a decision. We'll just take our normal wages that are that were promised. 01:30:42.18 Kurt Crenwelge ah You know, we we we understand you guys are newlyweds and congratulations again. That's amazing. um Yeah, I think you. 01:30:51.28 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, well, we couldn't honorably take the... You are owed that money. i mean, nobody died, but somebody nearly died. 01:31:02.32 Kurt Crenwelge I serve a god who wishes to redeem the undead. It's, you know, it would be, it would be fine. 01:31:09.12 Michael & Elizabeth you sure? there's There's got to be something we can do for you. 01:31:13.67 Kurt Crenwelge Well, Sonya will gesture down to Eliwick, the bard, to lay out, to lay out the plan of, ah perhaps, of of ah some sort of ah agreement for their Bastion stronghold thing. 01:31:23.14 Michael & Elizabeth but 01:31:29.21 Michael & Elizabeth Which she does do, which we already talked about. 01:31:33.03 Kurt Crenwelge Perfect. And then how would, ah how would Mina and Antoine react to the, this idea of being able to work for ah Hobart and Ellywick and their company? 01:31:46.01 Michael & Elizabeth Well, they're elated because this means that they have stability, which going out on their own was a big risk. ah They're thanking their gods. 01:31:58.56 Michael & Elizabeth out They didn't expect this. They are a little worried about now being real competition to their former guild. um But It seems like this will be far enough away to where, at least initially, there shouldn't be too much to worry about. 01:32:18.83 Michael & Elizabeth They just want to celebrate in a moment. 01:32:24.23 Kurt Crenwelge And Sonia will reach into her own ah coin purse, and I think she produces some money that she has, and she's just like, you know, aa i don't have as much need of this for me, and you know I've picked up stuff here and there, and just haven't quite spent it all. 01:32:41.83 Kurt Crenwelge And I think this would be an in better hands with you all um so she hands over like some extra amount of gold from her own personal uh stores uh that she has on her person and then she'll turn to elliwick and she'll say well master iron bears said that he needed a drink and um Well, I mean, I know some things about Elvish culture, but I'm afeard. I'm not as well educated. 01:33:10.56 Kurt Crenwelge and Perhaps I might need the aid of a bard ah to lead us to some sort of watering hole that would appease our dwarven friends. 01:33:19.50 Michael & Elizabeth Yes, I know a great tavern around here. It's a little highfalutin, but as elves are. 01:33:28.72 Kurt Crenwelge Ah. And then is there any final words ah that we would leave ah Antoine and Mina with before the the scene closes out? 01:33:48.78 Michael & Elizabeth I think as the characters are walking in the way, they look back and Antoine and Mina are, Mina is in Antoine's arms and he's holding her and he's like, we're going to make it. 01:34:10.18 Michael & Elizabeth Very heartwarming. 01:34:14.45 Kurt Crenwelge Was I good? Do you think that that does the scene justice? There 01:34:18.18 Michael & Elizabeth I think so. It's a fitting ending or a beginning. 01:34:21.34 Kurt Crenwelge we go. 01:34:21.69 Michael & Elizabeth Yes. 01:34:21.97 Kurt Crenwelge There we go. 01:34:23.02 Michael & Elizabeth The party's going to end in a tavern and instead of starting in. 01:34:26.34 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, okay. There we go. That, that is what you were trying to say as the music was being queued up. So, uh, well, that was certainly a first and a blast from the past. I know it's been a long while since we've heard, uh, personally in our lives from, ah Hobart and Ellie wick and, 01:34:41.99 Kurt Crenwelge oh man, it would be nice to be able to get that group together. But I know our good friends Kiki and Michael also have moved um as well to other places as well. So it certainly would have to be some sort of online game unless we can convince everyone ah to come about ah to one place to be able to play once again. Or maybe we just need to start up new characters. Who knows? 01:35:01.96 Kurt Crenwelge Sunset those ones, leave them ah to their epic finale that they were destined for that never actually got to technically play out. 01:35:11.38 Michael & Elizabeth My character found love. 01:35:14.02 Kurt Crenwelge That's true. You rolled a natural 20 on that one in the Scarlet Rouge. I think it was the name of the place. 01:35:20.59 Michael & Elizabeth Kiss. 01:35:21.54 Kurt Crenwelge Yes. Yeah. So Eliwick met a and ah male gnomish sex worker guy named Eduardo and rolled a natural 20 on her night with him. 01:35:33.13 Kurt Crenwelge And then it was just like, all right, you're my love of my life and I'm going to follow you forever. And he had a big pompadour wig and kind of like a joke in the moment. But, you know, actually ended up becoming cool. 01:35:43.00 Michael & Elizabeth We adopted a child at one point. It was great. 01:35:45.78 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, a human child who had a bardic early signs of bardic talent. 01:35:45.86 Michael & Elizabeth Okay. 01:35:51.45 Kurt Crenwelge And then you offload it. 01:35:52.61 Michael & Elizabeth I had to start walking things back because I was making a mini party and I think he were getting and uncomfortable. like that 01:35:58.64 Kurt Crenwelge Well, it was before the the strongholds and followers and the rules had come out, so they didn't have things like retainers yet, um which... 01:36:07.27 Michael & Elizabeth Well, I remember playing as Eduardo one time and he was a rogue so I was i was coming from a bard and I was just so excited that I could hit things and it would actually count for something. 01:36:19.63 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Which now, if we played those characters, I would definitely make Eduardo like some sort of like a rogue based retainer character. So he wouldn't be a full. ro He wouldn't be a full rogue, but he'd have like rogue like powers on a on a lesser scale that you could use. You could equip him with magic items that would help him out. 01:36:39.29 Kurt Crenwelge And then he would just be your loyal retainer and your your boyfriend slash eventual husband. So. 01:36:47.22 Kurt Crenwelge There you go. A future that, that, ah or a past or a future that could have been, um but say lovey, that's not what it was meant for us. um But yeah, and if we made it through. 01:36:56.46 Michael & Elizabeth s I think with the help of their supporters, they're going to make it. 01:36:57.56 Kurt Crenwelge And so what did you think it was getting to be Antoine and Mina? How do you think those two lovebirds will fare? You think. 01:37:11.88 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 01:37:13.08 Michael & Elizabeth And it was certainly interesting for us to play together instead of playing us separate. 01:37:16.94 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah. 01:37:21.14 Kurt Crenwelge Well, I remember Rock and Folio werere were a very interesting pair of business partners. You know, the ah the Deathlock and the Vidalcan and the coin mentors and the the magic shoes that were cursed and all that good stuff. 01:37:36.37 Kurt Crenwelge Which Duncan is still wearing those. So if you had met Duncan, you would have been like, those are some interesting shoes you're wearing. And he's like, yeah, they're great. I just can't bring myself to take them off. 01:37:43.85 Michael & Elizabeth and 01:37:45.91 Kurt Crenwelge But, ah you know, they give me the best magic boost and stuff. They complement my stats very well. 01:37:52.36 Michael & Elizabeth yeah I'm curious what Dolly's up to. you So 01:37:56.93 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, maybe dollies in these woods. Who knows? 01:37:59.76 Michael & Elizabeth yeah, see. 01:37:59.96 Kurt Crenwelge And then Orr Griffbeard is just trying to get you to come to his prayer group. 01:38:04.94 Michael & Elizabeth it's a offend 01:38:06.85 Kurt Crenwelge Ah, yes. Allusions to early podcast episodes. So ah if by now we haven't convinced you, then you should go back and listen to those episodes and and have a good time. But yeah, so, you know, you've done this three times now. So how do you think it's been back on the podcast? And how do you think so how how do you think things are going and will continue to go and all that sort of stuff as we're here in the final thoughts section of the show? 01:38:31.01 Michael & Elizabeth Well, the world's definitely evolved over four years, I'll tell you that. 01:38:35.67 Kurt Crenwelge It has, that's for sure. 01:38:36.10 Michael & Elizabeth Which is estimate. Not just our real world, but this world on the podcast. 01:38:42.40 Kurt Crenwelge Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. With, uh, yeah. 01:38:45.42 Michael & Elizabeth I am impressed by how long you kept this going. 01:38:49.13 Kurt Crenwelge I know I am too, but you know, we made it 18,000 downloads, uh, which is not a insignificant number. It's certainly more than my first podcast I did with Anson ever made like at least 10,000 more than that. 01:39:01.86 Kurt Crenwelge But, It's cool. Yeah. You know, I've got to, you know, have the blessing of being able to talk with some really cool, wonderful, awesome people and just, you know, trying to keep this hobby and this passion alive within me. 01:39:13.94 Kurt Crenwelge um Cause it's like one of the few D and d outlets that I get to do. um So this is fun for me to be able to do, to just invent characters and, NPCs to be able to put them out into the world. 01:39:25.90 Kurt Crenwelge And even though I keep saying like, all right, guys, you know, I have a Reddit that you can share your stories of how you use the NPCs and you can share your artwork and all this other stuff on our socials. We're on literally all of them and stuff like that. 01:39:38.99 Kurt Crenwelge um You know, you just wonder, like, ah hopefully, you know, if anything, I'm at least using these NPCs in my games, ah which is always nice, you know, be being able to offload off source, 01:39:51.14 Kurt Crenwelge ah some of the the ah handling of some of these NPCs. um But yeah, I think, you know I've said it on a the recent episode ah interview that I did on Roleplay Chats podcast when we talked about NPCs just how I think some of the best NPCs that are made are those in collaboration, you know, whether it's, you know, our original game when it was like, Hey, five E is new. 01:40:15.73 Kurt Crenwelge We're a brand new D and D group. We're trying to figure out our dynamics and our ah rapport between each other. And like, what's, what's funny and what's interesting and what's cool and what's not. 01:40:26.68 Kurt Crenwelge And so being able to make characters like Ellie wick and Hobart and Barbie and Spina and, know, I can't remember the warlock. 01:40:37.62 Kurt Crenwelge ah But then eventually we got, we got a Kosef and even some of our other adventuring and the captain and, and, and some of our other good friends there in the party that I'm just blanking on right now, but all that to say, um yeah, it's just fun. It's fun getting to make NPCs and have them out there in the world. 01:40:57.54 Kurt Crenwelge And, you know, I, I, I hope Antoine and Mina will eventually show up in a Pathfinder game run by Michael ah with his group. because you know they're going to well there we go and we'll get to hear all about them uh in your game and how they turned out there and what what the party did so uh so it sounds like we're here at the end so uh is if there's anything you want to plug if you want to be found on social media uh all that sort of stuff fair enough uh or any passions or causes that you want to make us aware about let us know 01:41:06.50 Michael & Elizabeth Oh, now they're going to. I don't want to be found on social media. 01:41:30.32 Michael & Elizabeth that 01:41:34.24 Michael & Elizabeth People are mean on social media. 01:41:37.22 Kurt Crenwelge Yeah, they can be. But, ah you know, if we can all do our parts to be, you know, little beacons of light, then I feel like we're at least doing something positive. 01:41:48.78 Michael & Elizabeth That's true. I'm going to plug playing together in person. 01:41:56.69 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. Okay. I like that. Yeah. In-person socialization. And I know we need to be better about it and we will try and make something work as best we can, you know, with wrangling a four-year-old, but we'll, we'll try and make something work. 01:42:11.76 Michael & Elizabeth Well, he's almost up to age. I'm going plug playing with your children. Which is what was going to say. 01:42:20.65 Kurt Crenwelge Yes. Yes. 01:42:20.95 Michael & Elizabeth We've got a little almost five-year-old grandson that 01:42:26.55 Michael & Elizabeth is really into the role-playing side of it. He's happy that adults are paying attention to him. 01:42:31.75 Kurt Crenwelge Yes. Well, my son... 01:42:32.86 Michael & Elizabeth But it's as easy as, okay, you have a guy. Describe your guy to me and They'll describe him. Okay, you're going to fight a dragon. Then somehow adventurer is the same level as the dragon. And you just kind of roll two dice until you get the bigger number. 01:42:50.72 Kurt Crenwelge Right. Well, my son is just like that, too. You all know that, like where he can he can get into these tangents and these stories and and, so you you know, he has his own dice now that he rolls and he just likes to roll the dice or he likes to go through my monster manual books or you were you were all were very gracious. 01:43:03.60 Michael & Elizabeth um faculty 01:43:06.65 Michael & Elizabeth We got him a monster manual book for kids. yeah 01:43:09.31 Kurt Crenwelge Yes, you did. Yes, very graciously. And so he's he's flipped through that a couple of times to look at that and read the monsters and and be fascinated with them. So, yeah, we're just we're fostering our own little community of ah new players and we'll we'll we'll see what stories they will want to tell. 01:43:25.78 Michael & Elizabeth It's great way to learn math. We actually played Math Finder. 01:43:28.19 Kurt Crenwelge True. 01:43:31.24 Michael & Elizabeth anyone knows that Pathfinder being a crunchy math-based game, it was helpful to teach multiplication and addition. 01:43:36.29 Kurt Crenwelge Hmm. 01:43:40.45 Michael & Elizabeth You taught multiplication. 01:43:42.98 Kurt Crenwelge And he's not even five yet. 01:43:43.12 Michael & Elizabeth You too can do that. No, yeah no, the hilarious thing was when he tried to add 14 and 20. 01:43:44.93 Kurt Crenwelge Wow. Ah. 01:43:49.88 Michael & Elizabeth So he started with 14 and then was counting up to 20. 01:43:55.00 Kurt Crenwelge ah 01:43:56.32 Michael & Elizabeth He did it in the hardest way he possibly could have. darn it, he made it. 01:44:02.61 Kurt Crenwelge All right. Well, ah okay. Well, we got your plugs. We got your, your things that you wanted to share with the community. So Michael and Elizabeth, Elizabeth and Michael, thanks again for just being good people in my life and for being great friends and for being ah three peats on this podcast. I can't wait to have you all back on this podcast, making even more interesting NPCs. 01:44:29.57 Michael & Elizabeth gortu Thank you for having us.