00:00.00 sidekqpodcast Hello everyone and welcome to round 2 electric boogaloo of patron pub knights here at the levitating platter and we're joined by Goblin Katie Katie Downey the queen 00:07.67 Anson Affect. 00:16.47 sidekqpodcast Of the Patreon if I might say. 00:18.17 Goblinkatie Ah, thank you? Thank you? It's a pleasure to be able to support such a wonderful wonderful production. 00:20.61 sidekqpodcast Yeah. Oh thank you so much? Yeah So originally when we you know came up with this idea we were going to do this all for the Hundredth episode and you know it was just goingnna be a free for all and figured. You know we try and do these every once in a while. But. Now that Miss Goblin Katie has finished up with her busy schedule of various live stream special productions and work and whatever else now we got the 3 amigos together as it were. 00:55.81 Goblinkatie Ray. It's been a little busy little hectic lately. But it's fun. So I'm not going to complain. 01:02.27 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so how how's it Ben Anson 01:06.60 Anson Oh been pretty good I was looking at our little show notes document here and lookss like Katie went and filled in her answers or questions to some of the things that we talked about last time. So maybe this time I can take a little medium backseat or a middle seat if you will and Katie can fill in for. 01:16.23 sidekqpodcast Shirt. 01:26.54 Anson Kind of the ideas we were talking about last time. Um as a recap it was you know favorite Npcs what works new things to try and then us ah me grilling Kurt. So I see Katie has some good interview questions. There. So I'm looking forward to hearing some of those. But yeah, things are good for me too. Just ah. And kind of a job transition myself. So also been a little hectic but I'm glad I could take the time to meet with you all today. 01:51.90 sidekqpodcast Yeah, and I know like we alluded to in the bonus episode you know on answer and and I old podcast. We used to do the segment of what are you drinking? So I know tonight I have my glass here of ah oh okay. 02:07.80 sidekqpodcast Yeah, we got some. We got some stuff ready to go tonight. So I happen to have a glass of the the Balcones Brimstone Fire Whiskey and I mixed it with some Mr. teas sweet and sour and that's what I'm drinking tonight. 02:09.10 Anson So. 02:09.38 Goblinkatie So. 02:19.70 Goblinkatie Oh. 02:23.10 Anson I think we talked about that last time because you had Balcones and we were talking about. It's like a Waco thing or Austin. Okay, yeah, nice. 02:29.88 sidekqpodcast Ah, bouncones is based in Waco Texas I'm I'm surprised you and in the Baptist Waco town and there at Baylor didn't realize that this existed there. 02:39.80 Anson I was not like yeah yeah I went to college in in Waco so that's I spent some years there. Yeah. 02:41.57 Goblinkatie Um, your your snack and du. 02:49.42 sidekqpodcast Good times. 02:51.87 Goblinkatie I'm ah I'm drinking some Ah Jameson Irish Whiskey myself with a yeah, a little bit of water to open it up a little bit I know a lot of people think I'm a heathen for it. But frankly I think it tastes better with a little bit of water. So my. 03:04.98 sidekqpodcast He. 03:07.67 Anson I have I have my classic Johnny Walker Black so still working through a bottle that I bought last year so not not a big rush here. Yes. 03:12.66 Goblinkatie Um, nice. 03:16.26 sidekqpodcast Um, still in the sniffter because he know what he likes. 03:21.98 Goblinkatie But but that's also um, like I'm drinking out of a Starbucks tumblr. So but because I am that girl. 03:32.20 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so now that the opportunity is here and presents itself just kind of here at the top of our whatever this conversation decides to to be tonight. It's just kind of cool having like you know the very first Patreon supporter here and then like my newest Patreon supporter here. So it's just kind of cool. 03:47.53 Anson And woo. 03:51.14 Goblinkatie Um. 03:51.92 sidekqpodcast And then my other two Patreon supporters happen to be on the other side of the door of the room of where I'm recording. Yep so technically we're all we're all here? Yep, but yeah, so no, it's just awesome to have the the 2 of you here and you know just maybe to curious. 03:56.96 Goblinkatie Um, oh that's awesome. You bring in. We'll all all hang out and drink. Ah. 04:11.59 sidekqpodcast You know, maybe the only questions I get to ask tonight before I let y'all kind of take the driver's seat tonight but just kind of curious. You know what was ah your your inspiration or your. Ah, your moment that you were like you know what? I'll go ahead and take a chance on this thing and decide to to lend my support to this little harebrained idea. 04:32.55 Goblinkatie Um, for me. Ah you had I think I had posted saying hey I'm open to doing podcasts and you reached out and you told me about the um, the theme of the podcast and and what you were. Trying to achieve with it and I went and listened to an episode or 2 and was like this this is really cool. This is unique I've not seen another podcast. Ah that does something like this and I decided. Ah. Then and there when I was on the show actually um, you mentioned the Patreon and I was like oh wait I can support this awesome. So I immediately went and supported it because I believe in ah the the uniqueness and the fun of this podcast. 05:24.83 sidekqpodcast Ah, that that warms my heart very much and I haven't even had it Awesome I Mean there's probably a biased answer from ans and you know being longtime friends and all that. But. 05:28.60 Goblinkatie Ah, your word Super nice. So. 05:36.28 Anson Yes, yeah, so I've known kurd since high school reach junior high junior. Yeah yeah, yeah, so we go way back and I spent a lot of time at his house over there down in Houston so be sure to say how do your parents for me. 05:41.69 sidekqpodcast Junior high. 05:53.54 sidekqpodcast Oh I will add. 05:57.42 Anson Ah so yeah Kurt and I also did a show together for a year and a half right 2 years something like that. 06:01.53 sidekqpodcast I think we started it in 2018 and then it finally shuttered like right at the beginning of Twenty Twenty technically maybe right at the end of 2019 but it was going into 2020 and and being like oh I have this new idea for a podcast. We're going into 2020 a new year. Nothing could go wrong. 06:10.49 Anson Um, there. 06:12.73 Goblinkatie Is. 06:18.83 Anson Um, yeah, yeah. 06:20.59 sidekqpodcast And then then everything changed I Guess yeah blame take going off here caused the apocalypse I don't know what else to say the. 06:21.17 Goblinkatie Yeah, also it's your fault. 06:28.00 Goblinkatie You know way to go way to go guys. What was what was the the previous podcast. 06:31.88 Anson Whoops. So yeah, that was it's like a variety show. Um the idea was for us to just kind of stay in touch because Kurtz in Dallas and I am still in Houston here so we wanted to like. 06:42.68 Goblinkatie Yeah. 06:47.12 Anson Stay in touch and I think it was every two weeks right we got together and just chatted for an hour hour and a half. Ah. 06:51.70 sidekqpodcast Yeah, we were modeling off some of our other podcast heroes like ah Destin Sandlin and Matt Whitman who do the no dumb questions podcast you know they're both big youtubers and then the influence that anen had I believe you said was rodrick on the line. 07:05.99 Anson And if yeah. 07:08.82 sidekqpodcast So we were kind of looking at those shows and modeling our our podcast idea of just like well we're we're 2 best friends we're 2 nerds and we don't have an internet presence but we'll just try this medium and and see how it works and you know it ended up becoming this new passion. It certainly for me. And you know and I think while we had the the time and energy to to produce that show I think it was a very fun thing for Anson to do as well. 07:33.91 Anson Yes, it was definitely. 07:37.85 Goblinkatie That's awesome. What was it is It is it still available like could I go back and listen to it. 07:40.11 sidekqpodcast For sure. Yeah, you can find it all on Youtube if you just search for blank tape show and it kind of looks like a cassette tape is the logo and stuff. Oh yeah, and there's the link graciously provide it. 07:46.50 Goblinkatie Blank page. 07:52.27 Anson Um, there's a link in your I base it. 07:57.17 sidekqpodcast And Anson yeah has basically archived it on his personal website to give you like a glimpse of ah some of the stats and ah and stuff like that some of our. 08:04.42 Anson And they shift. 08:06.21 Goblinkatie Oh that is awesome. You I Assume you'll post that link on the episode description because I'm fairly certain I'm not the only person who's going to go back and listen to this accident. 08:19.10 sidekqpodcast Oh yeah, sure we can. We can definitely do that for sure. Yeah I know we we did a couple of guest episodes and that I think was kind of the catalyst for me being like I like the variety like obviously the same. 08:26.61 Goblinkatie That's too cool. 08:35.98 sidekqpodcast Basic rough consistency between the 2 of us but it was always special to me to always just get to bring someone on so we have a mutual friend of ours named Heather Campbell and she's an artist at valve and said you know hard to come on and explain her whole. 08:47.71 Goblinkatie Um, oh cool. 08:50.91 sidekqpodcast Beginnings art career on you know, ye old tumblers and deving arts and stuff like that to now you know she's on staff with valve and she manages you know the dota 2 stuff and does the t f two comics and all this and then we we had our other buddy. Ah Pete Sosa who's the drummer. 09:06.29 Goblinkatie Ah, let's stop. 09:10.51 sidekqpodcast Um, for a number of different punk bands including C J Ramon and I think he said he did some stuff with the street dogs and a couple of other bands and stuff like that and so he was a kid that was like in the band. You know we were all in the music department and we were like oh yeah, pizzo and percussion he plays in some bands and stuff like that around school. Turns out, he's stuck with it and now he's like big in the punk world. So yeah, yeah, he also got his picture taken with Fred Armisen fellow famous drummer as well. So. 09:30.93 Goblinkatie Oh good for him. That's all that's a good world to be in too I'm just saying. Nice, very nice. He has somebody that I I am curious like I would love to meet him because he seems so like quirky but at the same time professional. 09:53.00 sidekqpodcast In here. 09:55.63 Goblinkatie And and measured and I'm like I I want to pick your brain and learn how it works. 09:59.68 sidekqpodcast Also and he's got the chops for music too because he can play the drums and he can play the guitar as well. 10:06.86 Goblinkatie Ah, that's yeah, he drums for um, ah oh god who is it. It's not Seth Myers it's um know is it I think it's Seth might it is Seth Myers yeah Yeah, 10:16.79 sidekqpodcast Oh really I mean so Fred Armiseon has a state gig on the the late show with Seth Myers um oh that's cool. 10:17.31 Anson It it is at my its Wikipedia. Yes. 10:25.70 Anson Follow. 10:25.92 Goblinkatie Like yeah, yeah, he's his drummer. It's his band that does the music. Yeah yeah, which is a hilarious show by the way. Um I watch the um the clips on Youtube for like news of the week and ah closer look and then they've done and I love this I think this is so much fun. They've done um, daydring specials with different celebrities like there's one with ah lizzo, there's one with um oh god what's your name. 10:53.35 sidekqpodcast A. 11:02.49 sidekqpodcast Kelly eilish. 11:02.96 Goblinkatie Bad guy ocean eyes. Yes, 1 the Billy Eilish um and something else and no it wasn't Billy Eilish who was that I don't remember anyways there like he did one with his mom. They're really funny. So I highly recommend the day drinking things they did. 11:03.93 Anson So go out. 11:14.63 sidekqpodcast She. Okay. 11:23.56 Goblinkatie I'm feeling like I'm focusing too much on alcohol. Ah. 11:27.53 sidekqpodcast We're at a fictional pub where the alcohol flows so you know? Yeah yeah, the magnificent mansion that is the levitating Placar. So yeah. 11:29.65 Goblinkatie That is fair. Yeah. 11:37.25 Goblinkatie Excellent. It's the best place to drink. 11:42.75 sidekqpodcast Yeah, yeah, Randolph would probably say it is. In fact, the best place to drink you know. 11:48.47 Goblinkatie Um, it's a fact it's known. It's just science. Yeah, it's just science. Um, is that? yeah. 11:51.87 sidekqpodcast Just science. But that's what wizards say it's just science. Yeah well I mean I'll I'll leave it to you you all both you both so wherever you want to take this show if you want to you know, go through the questions that ah ans had originally. Ah, formulated for the the one Hundredth episode or you just want to take this all in a different direction I'm I'm down. You know you can you can pick my brain as the ah you know as the Patreon crew and and stuff like that. 12:21.80 Goblinkatie I I think we can do that. Do you want to alternate questions. 12:29.73 Anson Ah, let's see sure you're um, your first. Yeah, go ahead. 12:32.60 Goblinkatie I had I was just say I I had a lot because I had a good brain moment and it just started turning my my eighty Hd men's were doing great and so I I put a lot in there. Yeah. 12:47.70 Anson That looks great. Thanks for doing that? yeah. 12:52.14 Goblinkatie So um, I'll I'll start Kurt. Why did you decide to start the show. 12:52.35 sidekqpodcast Sure. 12:59.25 sidekqpodcast Oh oh great question. Um, so as alluded to earlier you know anen and I were doing our podcast and anen was saying like man I'm getting more responsibilities at work at this job that I'm at and you know it's just it's too much for me to upkeep. So I think we better bow out. On a high note rather than this thing crashing and burning. So so then we did the you know we did our final episode and you know it was a lot to to take in in process but it was like that was the mature responsible thing for us to do so then I was like okay thinking back on this Reddit. 13:20.53 Goblinkatie Or that smart. 13:36.17 sidekqpodcast Post or this random meme I saw come across where it was like everybody is an Npc in someone else's life and so being someone of faith and being someone who loves D and D and loved doing our interview episodes and getting to even do our. Dedicated dungeons and Dragons episode from our podcast I was like I think this would be a really cool thing to do I've never heard of anyone you know taking the time to you know, humanize their guest. So It's not just all formalities of like well I'm the so and so and I do this and I'm the big shot and I'm the big whiz and the big cheese. And then you know me me, me, me me and it's so cool and it was just like well let's just be real and focus on on the other you know that kind of a focus or it's not so self-centered itself less of a focus so I just would you know bring a guest On. And then you know then we'd make up a character and it would be a character that you could stick in your game and oh we should give them a side quest and then I'm pretty sure Anen came up with the idea of like oh we need something to tie it together. So What if you did like ah like a role play Scenario. It's like oh okay, yeah, like a random encounter. So then you would. You know, get an idea of how to contextualize the character and then you wrap it up and then that would be an episode and I didn't know if it would necessarily work if it would just release to the ether and be crickets and no one would download it and care. But I guess 4 seasons later and after this. 15:06.51 sidekqpodcast Most recent episode that I did with a super geek Mike Mike Christianensen the the download numbers have been ticking a little more steadily so where I think we're if we haven't already crossed 9000 then we're probably soon to do so with with podcasts. 15:22.47 Anson So and regrets. 15:24.60 Goblinkatie Yay! That's awesome. 15:27.10 sidekqpodcast Yeah, oh 89 seventy two so are eight Thousand Nine hundred and seventy two downloads as of the moment of this recording? Yeah and ah yeah, that's right. 15:32.60 Goblinkatie Okay, so you need 28 more yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna do a little a little tweeting in and blue skying in just a few minutes. Yeah. 15:35.15 Anson Go refresh my podcast player while we're talking here. 15:46.75 sidekqpodcast To invite for that I think I joined the waiting list months ago at this point and haven't gotten anything I yeah I know ah nat one Dan Muios put something on so before we started recording I I threw a little jif in the the tweets x I don't know what they're calling it now. 15:49.26 Goblinkatie You do you? You need one. 16:01.58 Goblinkatie Um, okay. 16:05.12 sidekqpodcast And just said like oh I'll take one if you're you're giving them out I suppose. 16:07.66 Goblinkatie Yeah, if if you don't get 1 from him. Let me know I don't give you one of mine. 16:14.16 sidekqpodcast Oh okay, cool. We'll do but now that ah threads have come out. 16:16.54 Goblinkatie Yeah, um, and and same answer if I've got 2 So if if y'all need one I'll hook yet. 16:16.59 Anson I never. 16:25.90 Anson Thanks yeah I haven't actually looked into it at all I've been um, been using mastodon recently um, kind of of the other software developer kind of centric 1 kind of seems like um so that's been fun. 16:29.55 Goblinkatie Yeah. 16:38.37 Goblinkatie Yeah, the ah, the nice thing about blue sky is it's early Twitter basically um, but the things I don't like is you don't have direct messaging and you don't have gifts and. I am um on the tail end of gen x and so I like using gifs to communicate with people as the millennials do um so it it hurts me to not be able to carry out a conversation with somebody just. 17:00.68 sidekqpodcast Yes, yes. 17:01.14 Anson I Guess great. Yeah. 17:12.55 sidekqpodcast Well Andrew Strather helped point me to the the Gif Gif keyboard app and so I downloaded that and because I got threads because only as of March we've been maintaining an Instagram account so then over fourth of July holidays this thread. 17:13.80 Goblinkatie Sending gifts back and forth. 17:26.50 Goblinkatie And. 17:30.84 sidekqpodcast Thing dropped I was like well people are going to go there I guess I have to you know another social media thing I have to open for the podcast but threads has been like pretty pretty good and gotten some traction there and stuff. But yeah, that's how I was able to figure out like oh if I use this Jif keyboard thing then I can just copy paste it into threat into threads. 17:32.77 Goblinkatie Yeah, right. 17:47.95 Goblinkatie Yes. 17:50.53 sidekqpodcast Until they get their own gif integration. 17:54.52 Goblinkatie Yeah, you know what? um you keep calling it Jif so I'm going to revoke the offer of an invitation because you're the devil. Ah. 17:58.70 sidekqpodcast Gift Graphics Yeah I get yeah I know yeah graphics and gift. 17:58.93 Anson I. 18:08.94 Goblinkatie Um, I'm just I'm just somebody who likes to take ridiculous stands I'm I'm I'm kidding yeah'll I'll still give you the invite. But I like to take ridiculous stands and at 1 point um we have a ah sponsor on one of the shows I do. 18:15.68 sidekqpodcast Other. 18:25.58 Goblinkatie Um, and the word eldrick eldriitch is in their name I had always pronounced the word as eldrick and so it had been kind of a joke. Yeah, it had been kind of a joke during our sponsor Shoutouts and finally one day. 18:33.66 Anson That That's what I've optimized. 18:43.49 Goblinkatie Ah, the the one of the Dms pulled me to the side. He was like this is a sponsor you cannot keep mispronouncing the name and I was like oh yeah, okay, that's a good point all right I'll drop it so that was that was the hill I died on because. 18:55.24 sidekqpodcast Even. 19:01.64 Goblinkatie I Needed to um you out your boundry. 19:03.89 sidekqpodcast I'm sure there's some yeah I'm sure there's some actual play out there doing spell jammer and they come across the Gif hippo people and they're like it now. Do you pronounce a gif or do you pronounce it Gif and I'm sure that's a joke somewhere out there. 19:15.92 Goblinkatie I Want that? yes I'm I'm going to incorporate that into a game at some point that's good I like that. 19:25.70 sidekqpodcast Yeah, that's only our joke that we can make listen you're you're you're a plasoid. You're not allowed to make that kind of a joke. Yeah, and it's like oh I didn't realize that was such a tough. 19:32.23 Goblinkatie Um, you you you don't get to say that you don't get to say that. Um. 19:42.40 sidekqpodcast Touchy Subject I'm sorry I'll refrain from that. 19:48.30 Goblinkatie This is a teaching moment. This is a learning moment. Um. 19:49.29 sidekqpodcast Right? So yeah, bring it back around. Yeah so that's kind of what what got the podcast to to start was just like okay well I've got some expertise in this realm and I think it'd be cool to do this new format that I hadn't tried and. You know I locked all the socials down by January and February and March had started getting my first couple of recordings and then by April we had gone into work from home and lockdowns and all that stuff and was able to get that first. 20:16.22 Goblinkatie Measure. 20:21.27 sidekqpodcast Interview on Andrew Strather's role for persuasion podcast and I remember at that time being like oh you know, almost a 500 downloads by the time I was interviewed. Oh I think probably sometime in that summer I was like okay well you know this thing may actually have a chance because of the you know blank tape was such like a. Like ance had said a variety show. So the scope was so wide that it was like throwing spaghetti on the side of a bar and just trying to see what would stick and then this like it's just d and d and we're just interviewing and then we're making up characters in cyclists and that's it. That's all, you're gonna get from this show so it was kind of like okay resource podcast that I can. 20:48.59 Goblinkatie Ah, yeah. 20:59.46 sidekqpodcast Tune into listen for a little bit or just listen to the parts I want and take the stuff I want for my game then yeah. 21:03.63 Goblinkatie Yeah, awesome. 21:04.83 Anson I Think to focus the lack of a focus on our show was definitely a detriment I think it was fun but like it was hard to think about like if somebody didn't know us like what they really want to listen to just guys like ramble about anything you know and something else. Yeah. 21:21.70 sidekqpodcast The high school musical we did or the our our synopsis breakdown of the entire Marvel movie. Ah, history out there that exists. Yeah and then. 21:24.29 Anson Ah. 21:26.44 Anson Yeah I get that too. Yeah. 21:28.60 Goblinkatie Oh that's that's a lot that's a lot of strange overlapping. 21:36.66 sidekqpodcast Yeah, we do these like involved. Ah you know news tidbits of the week and so then like that encompasses encompassed a bunch of different influences and focuses of like you know I'd be like. Have you heard this crazy thing that's going on in the Catholic Church world the Nancy would be like so the next Apple convention thing is about to drop and they have the new Apple watches coming out and I'd be like yeah. 21:57.25 Anson Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 21:59.41 Goblinkatie I mean if if you think about it. Um I I was also raised catholic and if you think about it. There is kind of a correlation between the Catholic Church and Apple in that you have to keep returning. To stay up to date and keep things refreshed so it's it's got a constant draw for the consumers. Yeah I'm stretching I know. 22:21.26 sidekqpodcast Get up. 22:28.20 sidekqpodcast Yeah, true. Yeah, but man 1 way to look at it and you know my my day job is in ministry yeah well and then my day job is being you know? ah. You know customer relations in ministry. So like that's that's my you know that's my world and in what I deal with every day. So yeah, yeah, so. 22:43.82 Goblinkatie Oh wow, that's cool. That's that's something where you can have a true impact that's really cool. 22:51.51 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so you know more more details like could be shared offline not to you know now like no, it's fine like my employer's cool with you know who I mean I mentioned the fact that that was one of the I think the positives of. 22:56.61 Goblinkatie Yeah, sorry sorry we're tangenting. 23:08.96 sidekqpodcast Ah, you know the pandemic and starting this podcast that I really do think helped me get my job because it was like real. It was a real sudden like you know we're a couple months into the pandemic and. 23:12.49 Anson Yeah I agree. 23:17.70 Goblinkatie You. 23:19.70 sidekqpodcast My my previous employer was like oh you know and this had been happening months before like oh you're going to train up like an additional team that's going to work out of 1 of our international offices like okay sure no big deal. Yeah, they're just Goingnna handle the phones we're gonna really do all the case management stuff then a couple months into the pandemic they were like. 23:29.87 Goblinkatie Ah. 23:38.10 sidekqpodcast Hey we made the decision. This international team is going to now fulfill all the Cr role stuff and so we were given this you know severance and like you know, hey after this time you know this is your last day and so this position to open up and I applied and I was like real desperate with like hey I just found out that we're pregnant and yeah. 23:56.77 Goblinkatie Um, oh god. 23:57.32 sidekqpodcast Really need something and then you know what? like oh what's an interesting project or something you've done I was like well I Solo you know produce and edit and put together this podcast and promote it on social media and all this stuff and I've gotten like you know. However, many by that time like however, many hundreds of downloads or something at that point so it showed like oh I had real initiative and then I could be. You know, be taken seriously and do things and then yeah I think that was a huge part along with just some of the other answers I gave and then they were like you know, actually the position you call you. 24:15.19 Goblinkatie Yeah. 24:20.86 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 24:30.40 sidekqpodcast You applied for. You're overqualified for. So we're going to create a new process and then hire you on and then pay you more than what you asked. So yeah. 24:36.56 Anson I Well yeah, let's. 24:38.69 Goblinkatie Okay I It fascinates me how the the skills that we learn in ah entertainment field can transition out of it so well entertainment and gaming because I I learned so much. 24:50.77 sidekqpodcast In. 24:55.90 Goblinkatie From the time I played a noble at a larp. Um I learned about um resource management people management scheding just ah, um, ridiculous amounts of things that have served me so well in the professional world and. Entertainment is the same way you learn all these skills that turn out to be so useful in a professional setting once people realize that um it's not just you talking into a microphone. There is a lot of. Expert work that goes into creating that final product. So Yeah I'm I'm glad they recognize that. That's really cool. 25:35.71 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so and I'm happy to go in every day at work. So I know I got you know you know yeah and and a number of my coworkers. Well. 25:44.24 Goblinkatie Oh that's that's the dream. 25:51.72 sidekqpodcast And say a number I'd say at least 1 of my coworkers has been on the show I think Katie ah ah sorry not Katie but Catherine Spitler who was an episode like shortly after yours you know so she's a coworker. Yeah, so. 26:00.83 Goblinkatie Yeah I remember the name. Yeah. 26:06.26 sidekqpodcast And she played in my game that we ran and you know where we still reminisce about that campaign it had to we had to cut it off just because like hey people are having kids and it's crunch time at work and all this other stuff. Yep and playing online. But since we're all spread out throughout the country too. So but yeah. 26:15.59 Goblinkatie The scheduling. Yeah yeah. 26:25.77 sidekqpodcast Good times. So. 26:27.68 Anson Y'all reminded me of something speaking about the beginning of this show I think Kurt didn't you used to have a time limit goal you were like trying to get it in 30 minutes or less or whatever and then and have like gone by the wayside I think for the better like there have been shows there like an hour and I'm like man. It's like. 26:34.73 sidekqpodcast Yeah, yeah. 26:44.17 Anson Um, super in this little world that they've made and it's like you know So I'm glad that you let the show evolve and kind of be what it needs to be and not have to stick original idea like no matter what. 26:52.31 sidekqpodcast Right? Like I know for for Katie's episode I do remember I had to cut out some chunks just because it was like it was not a relevant conversation that was going to help propel the the episode forward and so in the interest of of time there I was like. 26:52.31 Goblinkatie Um. 27:02.88 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah, yeah. 27:09.18 sidekqpodcast Okay, you know or this is me going off on some tangent that's not helpful. So I'll just cut this bit out I try and always err on that side more. 27:15.62 Goblinkatie But it was the thing that ah I was impressed with when I I listened to the episode um was how seamless it was like you couldn't tell that there were chunks missing unless you had been there. And that that impressed me a lot because there are a lot of producers who um or editors who can't get that seamless transition when they remove content and you did a really good job of that. 27:45.20 sidekqpodcast Oh thanks. So those are chops developed when we did blank tape and there was a point in the show where it was Anson that was doing all the editing initially. So if you listen you go through those Youtube versions of our episodes and you you know the first half of the the life of the podcast was pretty much just Anson editing. And then we made the switch it was right when because the joke was because infinity war had come out and it was the snap and then it was like we all came back and it was like oh we've returned after our big extended break and now it's like Kurt's responsibility now to edit the podcast and so then that's where I started. 28:10.61 Goblinkatie Are. 28:23.76 sidekqpodcast Getting my chops developed on how I like editing and you'll hear it in the beginning episodes of sidekicks and sidequest where I was a lot more nitpicky on breathing and filler words and blip smacking and all these things that kind of drive me nuts when I listen upon yes and then you know as time gone has gone on I'm like a little more forgiving because. 28:35.35 Goblinkatie Yeah. 28:43.54 sidekqpodcast Ill listen to award- winning or just you know super recognized out there podcast in the D and D sphere and they're making the same kinds of ah things going on that would normally bug me if I was having to edit it but because it's them. It's like oh you know they're. 28:52.49 Anson Yeah. 29:01.40 sidekqpodcast Their coolness or their gravitas or whatever they just kind of roll through it and it's no big deal. 29:04.44 Anson And. 29:07.41 Goblinkatie That was I I Never um, realized that um like mouth sounds ah could be triggering for folks and it wasn't until I ran a game um over Zoome excuse me that? um. 1 of my friends started like cringing and and twitching and I was like oh let me back off that that doesn't look like a happy reaction and that was ah that was because I Love inaudible or in unintelligible mouth noises like that's my asmr thing I Love that. Um, so it never occurred to me that it could be like disturbing to folks. So. 29:48.90 sidekqpodcast Yeah, just trying to make a good plausible and enjoyable listening experience if you know the idea of the show is that you know you listen to the first half or a fun interview. A personal interview with the guest that's being interviewed and then when we're actually in the character making segment and the. Random encounter section that it feels like okay we're engaged with the story and the creation of the character to then go into the the roleplay scenario that it's not taking you out of it because there's just too much nonsense going on or just too many you know? ah. Exit points because like oh some noise made you think like oh did I leave the stove on or something like that when you know you should be listening. Yeah yeah, no. So yeah I don't know if this has covered multiple questions or not. But yeah, yeah, yeah. 30:29.23 Goblinkatie Did I leave the gas on of course I didn't I'm a squirrel sorry. 30:36.58 Anson If you ever Oh you're good. Yeah, if you ever need a more Patreon bonus ideas and you have like episodes where it's like there's an unedited version that's like full of good. 30:39.72 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 30:49.60 Goblinkatie Oh that's that's actually pretty clever. Yeah. 30:52.12 Anson Ah, didn't make it into the final. You could always release that as like a bonus like oh the unedited you know, ah one of the shows that I listen to does that for members they call it the bootlag feed and it's like you know, rather than waiting for the host to edit it The the host just like releases that like immediately he just Like. Here's the audio Bo there you go and like that's it has all the swears and stuff. So if you want people to hear your guests swearing have the did. Yeah. 31:12.40 sidekqpodcast Anyone. 31:16.45 Goblinkatie My my first thought was B side just because of the cassette phase that y'all do. 31:20.38 sidekqpodcast Oh well I think that's what we called it. We called the yeah we called it the um, well did we call the b side we had I know we had like hifi hero and like a is what they were called if they were like a Patreon bonus episode. We called them hidden tracks. 31:25.86 Goblinkatie Nice. 31:30.93 Anson And hidden tracks we call them hidden tracks. Yeah. 31:39.60 sidekqpodcast And then you could be like a a hifi hero or audio aficionado or yeah, you know we had different creative names for them and the only people that supported as you know but surprise surprise were my mom and dad our Pat. So. 31:52.22 Anson Yeah. 31:55.79 Goblinkatie But like that's I feel like that's how a lot of people ah not everybody unfortunately but a lot of people get their initial support from their family. Um. 32:04.38 sidekqpodcast Right. 32:07.51 Goblinkatie And it's family and friends and that's that's the encouragement that kind of keeps us scalling. Yeah deep. Do you want to ask a question answer. 32:11.99 sidekqpodcast Do. 32:18.79 Anson And yes I'll fire away. Ah what would you say you know we always like to hear that you say you're the best unofficial dozen dragon and dozens and and dragons podcast in your humbly biased opinion. What would you say sets you apart from the other tabletop roleplaying game. 32:36.87 sidekqpodcast Well one the big thing and I remember this was you know a compliment paid to me by Andrew Strother when I was on his show for the first time he was like you know 90% of the podcasts out there. They're all actual play stuff and then it's like then you get to the other 10% of podcasts. 32:37.10 Anson Podcasts that are out there. 32:56.14 sidekqpodcast And of those probably like 8% of them are like talking about news in the hobby or rules or mechanics and stuff like that. Then there's the 2% of the podcast and it's like you me and James in Tricaso when James Introcaso was doing his podcast. So. 33:10.43 Goblinkatie I love James so much. 33:14.47 sidekqpodcast Well I have yet to get him on the podcast. It's something on the the growing to do list of of guests to try and get on the show. But yeah, that okay I just figured he's busy. You know, kind of like with all the multitude of projects going on at Mcdm productions. 33:23.49 Goblinkatie I'll I'll I'll recommend you. 33:24.29 Anson Nice life. 33:31.20 Goblinkatie He is a very busy person but I know he enjoys ah making time for ah interacting with folks and and he he loves talking games so I have a feeling that. 33:46.31 sidekqpodcast Okay, yeah I mean the big kahuna which I remember was the question answer last last asked on episode 100 was oh who's someone from the d and d space you would get and I'd be like Matt Colville if I could land on that Colville episode that would be amazing I'm sure he would be like. 33:47.49 Goblinkatie He'll be down. 33:57.23 Anson Yeah. 34:05.33 sidekqpodcast You know? oh you know? Thanks thanks for the offer. But you know there's probably someone else who needs to be on the show and and not me but still that'd be super cool and I'd have to resist every urge not just be a huge nerd that just be like oh Mr Colville I can't believe your own bug is. 34:23.41 Goblinkatie So I'll I'll confess something the first this is this is so dorky the first I met um, oh god no never Mindd I'm blinking. 34:40.44 Goblinkatie Go on go on go on up up Chris Perkins that's the name I met Chris perkins um backstage at a show I was doing at game holecon and. 34:42.63 sidekqpodcast We'll come back to that story later in the oh she got it. Oh. 34:56.83 sidekqpodcast If you hear. 34:56.94 Goblinkatie I didn't know who he was because I had just gotten back into D and D I had no clue who anybody was and I met him I was just like oh yeah, hey I was like oh I found out later I was like oh. Probably should have been a little more respectful but okay. 35:16.26 sidekqpodcast Yeah, well I remember him from the watching on Youtube the acquisitions incorporated games that he would do and the robot chicken and some of those early games that ah recently Mike Christenson super geek mike 35:24.80 Goblinkatie So good. Yeah. 35:29.72 sidekqpodcast And I got to geek out about on his episode. 35:31.27 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah, he's he's just just the nicest guy like super nice guy. But oh you were saying the thing that sets you apart I'm sorry. 35:38.87 sidekqpodcast Yeah. Yeah I mean so I think that you know just the and also the fact of like you know the the tagline of the show being like we put the humans back into humanity and we're we're just trying to make interesting and fun npcs I mean I know there's you know, like previous guests of the show. Lauren Walsh has an awesome patreon. Where she designs all these npcs that you you know with full art spreads and write-ups and vtt tokens and all this other stuff and so I know that there's great creators and artists out there that do that. But it's like for. You know for the the Joe schmos out there that are like oh well I mean I got to run d and d for my kids or my family or my group of friends and you know oh I don't I can't I'm too stressed to think of a character to stick into my game and then it's like well here here's something for free. You know you can. 36:30.37 Goblinkatie Definitely. 36:33.55 sidekqpodcast Take it as as it is or you know tweak it so it makes more sense for your game but then just here's a free resource I'm not gonna make you pay money. It's not gonna be hiding behind a paywall. It's just like you know here just take it as it is you know I'm just trying to put something in your hands that you could use tonight. So you know. 36:42.52 Anson And I. 36:51.94 sidekqpodcast Yeah, maybe like the longest episode of mine might be like an hour and 20 And admittedly I'm way behind on show notes and getting those all out but conceivably you could listen to a podcast episode jot some notes if I don't already have them down and then be like great I already know I'm going to use this character tonight in my game kind of a thing. 37:10.16 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah, um, ah what would you say has been the hardest thing about making a podcast. 37:16.19 sidekqpodcast The hardest thing is probably okay so 2 things so first I would say is the editing like just being like a solo dude you know editing a podcast takes time and like if you're in the right headspace to like I have to sit in front of a computer and listen to this thing you know 500 times you know in snippets across as I listen to it and make sure it sounds good and can I be a little more forgiving of myself and just let things go and then probably just the social media game like and I know I think Katie and I both have had you know conversations and exchanges of like. You know, do you really have to commit to the grind and being out there I don't have I don't have like ah a social media team or marketing strategy. It's just like when I've got something to say I guess I'll say it and you know just let it travel through the grape vine organically rather than pumping a bunch of money into some. 38:09.47 sidekqpodcast Mighty algorithm fueled by money and greed and it to get people to discover the podcast. 38:13.61 Goblinkatie Yeah I've done promoted posts on ah the book of faces a couple times and I have discovered that. Um, while you get a lot of um. 38:30.59 Goblinkatie You you get a lot of interaction. It doesn't result in a lot of traction if that makes sense so it's it's dicey doing ah promoted stuff. It's it's I have found. It's much better to just. 38:34.71 sidekqpodcast Yeah. 38:46.91 Goblinkatie Put it out there yourself and and be honest, be true to who you are and what you're doing and folks will ah ah, start catching on. 38:57.60 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so it's been It's been slow going and based on you know every you know I feel like ah, there's a bobby pin right here for some reason but thinking of the metaphor of like trading up with a paperclip thing. So. It's like. You know as I get more guests and you know build up the repertoire of episodes and stuff like that you know and I can you know so people who may be bigger fishes I can be like well I've had all these other people on my show. Are you cool with being on the same podcast that these other people have been on and then they might listen to a couple of episodes the day and they say. You know what? actually? yes I will be on your show and so then that's what I think is you know helped to slowly you know, give that confidence and that that traction for you know, maybe more people to take a chance and and listen and so you know I think having the super geek Mike Bump at the end of 1 of his most recent. 39:39.17 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 39:45.98 sidekqpodcast Ah, pathfinder videos and him talking about like how he really loved making the character and this this character is probably goingnna end up in my next Raven Loft game and so yeah, hopefully that gets you know more people to listen to that episode but also just other episodes that exist. 39:55.60 Goblinkatie Um. 39:59.49 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 40:01.73 Anson Right on. So if you are trying to get people on. How do you typically approach a potential guest. You know, do you just have people in mind like you're saying or do you actively try to recruit or look for people. How does that work. 40:14.99 sidekqpodcast Yeah, it's so it's a whole mixture of strategies like if they're like I can tell you I emailed the official email that's on bred and Lee Mulligan's website and typed up a very personal message and tried to drop the fact that hey you were on Andrew Strather's podcast and did you know that Jasper's game day. 1 shot you did with kwondo the orc that character was made on my podcast so in a way you've already sort of kind of of experienced my podcast so wouldn't it just be cool if you were already on my podcasting but I said in a very nice professional way. So there's that like trying to reach out through. Professional contact means. But then you know if they're just someone on social media I might try and reach out that way whether it's like a facebook messenger or it's I guess now Instagram Dms or the other day I think she goes by what like scarlet 64 on Instagram or something. Um, she has an x in the scarlet or whatever but I saw when I was pulling up Twitch and then I saw like oh hey, recommended channel and I was like oh I didn't know she had to Twitch and so she just you know I said okay I'll follow her Twitch stream and then I pull up the video and she's like oh hey Kurt plays bass welcome to the stream and I was like oh hey i. Follow you on Instagram and I do this d and d podcast and so she was like oh cool, what's it about and I explained it and she's like oh cool I'd be down to to be down to be on the podcast and so I've I've sent her ah an Instagram message and so we'll see if anything comes beyond that. So I guess it's a mixture of strategies of just. 41:30.70 Anson That you. 41:48.14 sidekqpodcast Trying to pop on people's Twitch streams and go through their website channels and email and stuff you know trying to work with Kristina Arieele because I know she was a guest on Andrew Grows Podcast but obviously she's kind of busy with all the star wars stuff. So I don't know if she. 41:53.86 Goblinkatie Um. 41:59.98 Goblinkatie Ah, yeah. 42:03.10 Goblinkatie Little bit now her her Captain Marvel costplaying is my favorite Captain Marvel Cosplay I have ever seen. She looks amazing. 42:05.78 sidekqpodcast Get back to me in a timely manner or not. 42:14.90 sidekqpodcast And her misty as well. Well she did the buzzfeed video right? and then she also did the the Misty Misty Knight the Luke cage character with the with a robot prosthetic arm and stuff. 42:26.62 Goblinkatie I don't I'm not sure. yeah yeah yeah yeah I I will say that 1 thing um, ah people assume that folks are too big or too busy. 42:32.25 sidekqpodcast 12 the gun and yeah. 42:41.67 sidekqpodcast In. 42:44.70 Goblinkatie To do stuff. Don't make that assumption 99% of the folks I know are not as busy as you think they are so ah, the worst thing is they say no just ask. 42:51.74 sidekqpodcast And okay. 43:00.33 sidekqpodcast All right? Well I mean I guess I'll let you 2 know and whenever this bonus episode is scheduled to go out but um, excuse me I just ah confirmed with ah Adam Bradford so he should he and I should be recording here soon. 43:12.58 Goblinkatie Adam is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful human being and tell him I said hi and hugs I love him he he yeah he he. 43:20.27 sidekqpodcast I will yeah I think it also helps that I've had a number of demi playing people already on the podcast I thinks Yeah yeah. 43:32.30 Goblinkatie He actually ah the the final episode of ah silver and steel. Um I popped in just in time for him his character briv to ah basically dm for all the characters in game. And ah I god bless him I love him the ah the adventure he ran was a goblin named Katie came and found all of them and invited them to a party and I was just like I love him to pieces. He's amazing. Get him to sing. 44:07.59 sidekqpodcast Oh okay, I'll I'll try and remember that yeah take take notes. Yeah. 44:08.42 Goblinkatie Make him sing. Yeah yeah, yes, make him he he has a surprisingly good singing voice. 44:17.31 sidekqpodcast I have a surprising and good singing voice I only went to 5 years of undergrad to to do it. But yeah, yeah, yeah, go what do you want to hear. 44:25.76 Goblinkatie Really? oh okay, sing this a bar. Ah your favorite song moment. 44:33.87 Anson From guys and doll or whatever one of the many many musicals, you've done. 44:39.72 sidekqpodcast Oh oh great now I'm having to think what are some of that I mean what is it we did so we did guys and dolls freshman year of high school then we did Greece and then we did Oklahoma and then we did once upon a mattress. 44:53.55 Goblinkatie Okay, sing Oklahoma the oh Oklahoma. 45:00.77 sidekqpodcast Okay, right? Low Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plane and the waving wheat can sure smell sweet when the wind comes right behind the rain. 45:17.62 Goblinkatie You can sing? Yeah, holy crap I'm sorry Holy crud. 45:18.25 sidekqpodcast Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm called the bardick paladin. Well yeah, that's so that's the namesake of of why I'm the bartic paladin is because like I did you know like formal training for for singing and then I joined the nights of Columbus. 45:20.52 Anson It sounds like we're just there we go. 45:36.47 sidekqpodcast And I'm a third degree Knight of Columbus I was literally knighted so that's why I'm a bartic paladin. Yeah, and so now it's natural that at some point I'll have to play some kind of multi-class barred ah paladin. 45:40.56 Goblinkatie Holy that is so cool I'm learning so much about you. This is fabulous. 45:55.40 sidekqpodcast And then be like ah the barddick paladin you know so he he's he acts very nightly. But then he goes around and he'll he'll sing and stuff like that minute. 46:01.30 Goblinkatie Yeah I love it. I'm down. So okay, you've you've got some experience at this point you've done multiple podcasts. You. Seem to know what you're doing judging by the quality of your podcasts. Ah knowing what you know now if you could go back to when you were first starting out in this medium. What. Would you tell yourself what 1 thing do you think would help you the most to have known early on. 46:44.56 sidekqpodcast Probably something along the lines of like believe in yourself and trust the process just like the slow dedication. You know the late nights sometimes the unnecessary late nights because of your own hubris. But. You know, just taking the time putting in the work and then believing yourself and being your own biggest cheerleader even if like Anson and I would talk about like even if we were just screaming into the ether talking about nonsense at least we still believed. You know well mom and dad would listen and then you know that would be good enough for us. 47:11.28 Anson Yes. 47:19.37 sidekqpodcast And if that's all that ever listened then okay well at least we did something we tried and we we made art and we put stuff out there into the world that wasn't there before. 47:30.97 Goblinkatie if if I can dovetail on that ah to our wonderful listeners. Um, if if you can't be the artist itself in that moment being a patron of the arts is a wonderful alternative. Letting people create beautiful things that enrich the culture surrounding you and supporting the things that you enjoy and believe in. Is actually a wonderful way to be involved so ah, head over to the Patreon and sign up I'm just saying channelist plug. Um. 48:06.74 sidekqpodcast There you go? Yeah Shameless plug. Yeah, we'll see whose turn is it now to ask a question. 48:17.68 Anson So yeah, that's me, we're we're doing some highlighting here as we go. So I guess kind of related to that if you could go back and like redo something and I know it's kind of like you're kind of like locked into this format going forward. You know, but. 48:19.61 Goblinkatie Anson. 48:34.46 Anson There's something that you could kind of like snap your fingers and change something about all the episodes you've done. What would you like retroactively like redo across the board. 48:39.48 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah, no, that's a good question I mean being being inspired by some of these other podcasts that I've listened to like I think I mentioned when we did the previous patrons pub night. You know the in at the edge of greenwood does really good with soundscapes you know, ah, Kenneth Vicky and the chat a fallout 76 podcast is really great with incorporating. You know, sound effects and music and then you know the team over at kill every monster of course does really great with like sound effects and ambiance. 49:04.48 Anson I. 49:13.32 sidekqpodcast And scoring and stuff like that as well. So you know you know, leaning more into the bardi aspect of the bardik pal than it. You know if I could change it and make it work. Yeah, it'd be really cool to have like you know ambiance. Tunes or maybe like you know, like little minuettes or or scenes or something like that with like the different musical cues and the vibes going into the different questions or you know adding in soundscapes or sound effects when we get to say like the random encounter. So then it's like. Oh ah, Duncan is walking through the swamps and he's about to meet Reginald and you know so you can hear the squishing mud you can hear like the bull frogs and just like the you know you feel like you're in the humid swamps of somewhere in the south and then that would you know so you can feel more in it and you know. 49:49.70 Anson I. 50:03.00 sidekqpodcast Be immersed you know believe in the verisimilitude of the the random encounter and and it's not just the nervous sort of like Ha I'm this character and you're this character. But yeah I Guess if that was the thing to change and if I could you know, get the the funding or the tools or whatever to do that in the Future. You know that. That is something that I suppose I could try if that is something that people won. 50:24.89 Anson Hire Ah hi Holy artist. Yeah. 50:27.24 Goblinkatie Yeah, you need a Foley artist I know a guy? Um, okay so with the guests you have had present company excluded. 50:37.68 sidekqpodcast A. 50:43.31 Goblinkatie Who do you think in your opinion were the ah the top 3 npcs in your mind and it's it's not about popularity or anything like that. It's more about your personal taste. 51:00.11 sidekqpodcast Um, okay, um, yeah and I know um I know Anson asked some sort of variation on this question about like who's your favorite and I was like oh they're like all my children and I can't choose between any of them. 51:08.85 Goblinkatie Right. 51:12.41 sidekqpodcast Um, but I remember answering him at least with picking you know some episodes that have like stuck out with me and that have been cool I know for sure in the game that I was running for work I did deploy Gaznord The Sailor troll. In my actual game that I rant so that was a really fun Npc to actually get to introduce into a game of dungeons and dragons and you know my wife was in that game. She doesn't listen to the podcast but she was like had never heard of this character before and then of course all my other co-workers you know hadn't heard the character either. 51:32.90 Goblinkatie Nice. 51:44.59 sidekqpodcast Um, so it was really cool for them to get to beat this. You know this troll with ah with a wooden leg and you know the eye patch over and just hanging out in the tavern and then getting the tale about like oh there's the treasure hidden in the well on the nearby pirate-infested islands and subs the way I kind of edited it for my. Ah, purposes that was a really fun one that that stuck out. Um you know because I've had ah a good rapport with them. You know on Discord and stuff like that getting to talk with ah Benjamin Huffman and Dane Fox Mcgraw 52:17.70 Goblinkatie Kind of I mean. 52:18.16 sidekqpodcast Ah, the boys from Dispel Magic You know when they did their meta episode of the hexblood sibling Fantasy game designers that were all that were also stone mouth Podcasters that was just a really ah good bit of creative energy and I just had my episode on their podcast come out. 52:23.90 Anson That was a 1 52:31.66 Anson Yeah. 52:36.98 sidekqpodcast Where we discussed the hallow spell. Um, so that was a lot of fun as well too. Um, so just Okay, yeah yeah, we'll make sure we throw that in the show notes here as well. So that was sure. Yeah. 52:38.70 Goblinkatie Oh okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna need a link to that as well. Please so. Excellent, Excellent I'm just building your show notes as we go. 52:56.60 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah, and then just trying to think you know and then this you know obviously res recency bias I think is what super geek Mike said but you know his episode was also really fun to do too just because you know you know. We made this awesome character and he was super excited by the whole process and then I'll also go in and throw in legal kimchi's Alex Legal kimchi episode where we made we invented a whole new species of mimics. You know the the metal mimics the armor mimics so that was a really cool episode to get to do some world building on. 53:25.18 Goblinkatie Yeah now I loved that one because ah mimics are near and dear to my heart. So the fact that y'all built on that made me super happy because Legal Kimchi is amazing. 53:29.49 sidekqpodcast So. 53:40.60 sidekqpodcast A. 53:42.34 Goblinkatie Absolutely wonderful. Um I'm I'm a big fan. Yeah. 53:47.86 sidekqpodcast Yeah, and I like going back to the you know the old episodes and you know that? ah the simple ones that were just with friends. You know Anson's already had a couple of episodes on with the npcs and you know getting the listen to the ainth de far and then episode is also a treat as well. Um, so yeah, you know I love I love them all. So it's it's nice to go back down down memory lane. 54:10.10 Goblinkatie Excellent. 54:12.31 Anson So we're getting down to our last three here and we're kind of leading the world to podcast a little bit so entering more of Kurt's world so when you start writing your own characters or npc's Kurt What do you start with? Do you roll the same tables that you do with your guests or do you have your own. Slightly different process or how does that look like yeah so. 54:33.44 sidekqpodcast Oh like when I'm running games. Um, yeah I mean if it's going in to a game I might do like I think like oh what's this shop and well now that the podcast exists. Yeah I might use some of the tables to generate ancestries or. Species of races or whatever the terminology they're using. But you know I might use that as ah as a starting off point to invent characters I know when I was running the game for work and I had to invent different characters from some of the different factions I definitely went to the ancestry table from the podcast and would roll that randomly to figure out like. 54:52.78 Anson Right. 55:11.13 sidekqpodcast Okay, who's this character and then I might use a random name generator like fantasy name generator or something like that to kind of come up with names and then kind of get an idea of like who the character is and then sometimes just collaboration with the the players themselves if it's if it's in a backstory type setting in developing. Who they are like I know in the game that I was running Anson was one of the faction leaders and so he invented his faction. Leader's character and so he and I got to discuss like you know who this character is and what they're all about what are their goals and everything. 55:39.35 Anson Yeah, yeah. 55:48.80 sidekqpodcast Like that and then you also got to kind of invent your lieutenant as well. So if the player characters ever had to interact with your faction. They may not necessarily talk to you directly since the faction leaders and the captains were kind of asynchronous as to the actual party themselves. Um. 55:52.82 Anson Um, had. 55:59.82 Anson But and. 56:04.56 sidekqpodcast Then they could be have an npc that they could go to and say you had a hand in inventing a a Koshi I think was the name of the coalt assistant of yours. Yeah I think yeah because you name you named the Npc after like a composer right? like a modern composer. 56:12.68 Anson So yeah, that sounds very yeah. 56:21.88 Anson Ah, now I'm on the hot seat. Oh. 56:23.57 sidekqpodcast I mean I'm sure I'd go into my my notes and pull it up later. But yeah I remember you invented like a little cobalt lieutenant of the of the mallets and that was if the player characters had ever gone to Mallet's HQ they probably would have talked. 56:24.44 Goblinkatie Sure hey. 56:34.48 Anson Um, yeah. 56:41.23 sidekqpodcast To her. 56:43.70 Anson Yeah, it was um, ah happened to have it right here if I can just find where that is no, maybe not. 56:58.99 Anson Then the name doesn't sound familiar. But I trust you on that one. But um, yeah, so we're doing some external talking here. So I'm a little um more multitasking. Um, so. 57:12.90 sidekqpodcast Um, don't will cut it out if it's not interesting. 57:16.50 Goblinkatie And I'm being really distracting with um ah, badgering answer with questions so is hi. It's me I'm the problem. 57:19.19 Anson I. 57:24.76 sidekqpodcast Consistent. 57:27.34 Anson Well that album? Um, so yeah, that was a fun the um, the game that we're doing with the asynchronous factions is a really cool idea and I. 57:36.33 sidekqpodcast That was a Matt Colville as far as like oh your friends who can't play d and d with you have them run like some of the big important npcs so that was like a fun sub game I got to play with all these other people who obviously couldn't be in the game. Um, but just getting to converse with them over social media and email and stuff like that really helped formulate as well. These rich backstories and environments for the whole world that is the cadence as part of harmony and and such so cadence has been hugely important. 58:08.18 Anson And ah. 58:11.65 sidekqpodcast As far as my home game has been concerned. You know originally just my wife and I just discussing something on a road trip up to Oklahoma and then starting to run this game and then bringing in the asynchronous players and being like well who is this faction leader and what does it mean and like what are the important things to you and then. Talking to individual player characters and developing stories from there. So like my whole home world is home game world is just much richer now. 58:34.75 Anson Yeah, so let's see I've got a couple here that are echoes from last time but let's see if we have any updated second thoughts here so we got to mention this earlier if you could have any member. Ah, the d and d community on the show who would you have are you going to stick with Maelville for that one ultimate inboy. Yeah. 58:58.50 sidekqpodcast Sure him Janes Andtracasso um I love to have kp on I think he's more local now. Um, yeah, kp okay I know he's been really busy I know he's an expectant father and all these other things. 59:04.70 Goblinkatie K P Okp will do it in a heartbeat guarantee. It. 59:15.15 sidekqpodcast So congrats to kp and pm. Um, yeah I know he would be amazing to have on. Um, yeah, you know I'm just like I said I'm I'm still open to anyone cool wanting to be on the show I think maybe what were some other debra an wall would be cool to have. I know she's probably busy the other interesting one that I thought of the other day I was like oh technically I've sort of talked to him once in my official capacity with work. But you know if it wouldn't be you know too much if I could have um Jonathan Brown me on. You know the guy who plays Jesus on the chosen. Ah, was a voice actor on fallout four so it was like okay, he's kind of been in the same realm and world I don't know you know it's like oh 1 time he talked to me in an official capacity could I you know? then yeah you know. 59:52.77 Goblinkatie Um, oh. 01:00:07.19 sidekqpodcast You know, use any privilege I have or whatever to be like by the way I run this nerd thing. That's not you know, spiritual in nature. Do you mind being being on this show or are you too busy. Kind of a thing. So ah, you know he would be a fun one to have or um. Oh actually now I'm reminded now because I remember this is the thing that you post on Twitter was like oh name your 5 celebrities that you'd want to have on and I remember Jonathan Roney is on that list. But I think I also said like Henry call I think Henry Cabell would be cool to have just because I know he's a huge witcher and warhammer 40 k nerd that I feel like. If. He's not already playing dudges and dragon surely someone has tried to wrangle him into a game somewhere. 01:00:48.73 Goblinkatie Oh, he's got to be I I cannot believe that anybody who is as big of a nerd as he is is not already into tabletop roleplaying games and ah in my heart of hearts. He is a D and D nerd. 01:00:49.55 Anson And definitely yeah. 01:01:01.77 sidekqpodcast Yeah, where he's playing the War Hammer tabletop role playing game something about the imperial and the undying emperor. Whatever. 01:01:05.60 Goblinkatie I Could see that. Yeah yeah I could see War Hammer there's There's so much War Hammer Lore I could see him just diving into it. 01:01:18.20 sidekqpodcast And on that no probably some of the other dungeons and daddies crews so like will Campos Matt Arnold Freddy Wong you know any of them. Maybe even Anthony Birch I know that might be controversial. But yeah I'd talk to Anthony Birch and and and. Pick ah pick his mind I might have to you know, but activate the the bleeps or whatever on the episode a lot but but who knows I think I feel like Anthony's you know I paint him as like this outlandish wildish character. But I'm sure he's probably pretty tame and like you know, doesn't go. You know profanities every 5 seconds or whatever. 01:01:52.99 Goblinkatie Oh just honestly, just judging by the personalities of the rest of the group I feel like he's probably a good guy. 01:02:00.57 sidekqpodcast Yeah, well Beth may was really fun to have on as an episode too. So yeah. 01:02:04.87 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:02:08.30 Anson And part 2 of my question is if you could have any person who is not a traditional member of the d and d community on your show who would you have? um. 01:02:21.26 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so that probably gravitates back to like the Jonathan row me because as far as I can tell maybe not explicitly involved in that realm. Um, yeah, so ah, I'm just trying to think of anyone else from my circles or channels. Ah. But I mean like I said I'm happy to interview anyone who who wants to be on the show and you're not involved in d and d currently but you'd like to be and you want a small slice of that. Well you can you take your five fifteen minutes of fame with me and and live out that fantasy if you will. 01:02:53.30 Anson What about what about Mrs C is she I think I've asked you last time too is she interested in ever being interviewed. 01:02:59.14 sidekqpodcast No I She you know she knows that this is my hobby and that I love doing this but you know she's like dear I have to listen to you talk all the time I don't you know I don't listen to the podcast. You know you already kind of like. 01:03:07.47 Anson Are. 01:03:14.42 sidekqpodcast You know whenever a recording's done. She's like hey how'd it go and then I'm like oh I talked to this person we did this and this is it and she's like aha. Yeah, and okay, yeah, so she likes to no, she supports me and she loves me. 01:03:20.85 Goblinkatie Oh yeah. 01:03:23.80 Anson Ah. 01:03:26.52 sidekqpodcast And you know our our son's a little bit more manageable now. So it's not having to be like I can't believe you're leaving me to solo parent after I have to so a parent all day kind of the thing. Um, but ah, but no, you know it's she likes her anonymity and just you know she likes to play it cool like she loves playing D and D so whenever we have an opportunity to play. 01:03:41.59 Anson Um, the time. Yeah. 01:03:46.38 sidekqpodcast She's all in but I don't know if she wants to subject herself to the internet at large if you will. 01:03:50.80 Anson Very awesome enough. Yeah finally. 01:03:53.14 Goblinkatie Yeah, um, okay, um I am going to kind of jump back into you. Ah no, that didn't sound good. 01:04:03.55 sidekqpodcast Okay, this. 01:04:07.32 Goblinkatie I am going to jump back into your personal opinions as far as D and D goes and ask what has been your favorite Npc that you've personally played. 01:04:11.50 sidekqpodcast Of that. 01:04:21.42 sidekqpodcast Then. 01:04:23.71 Goblinkatie And what made them your favorite. What what about them resonated with you. 01:04:30.88 sidekqpodcast Well um I know like my my coworker Catherine Spitler and and I you know for our our game that we were playing we extensively together worked on these. Ah, huge genealogies of npc characters related to her character. Not just you know biologically, but even just like you know because her character was from the cadence so she had so much connection to the setting of where we were playing so she would be 1 to be like. Well if I if I wanted to do this where would something like this be and so then we'd have to collaborate and work like okay well you would know this shopkeeper and this shopkeeper specializes in this. So I think some of my favorite Npcs that I've developed sometimes I've just been organically you know through maybe like work writing back and forth or collective emails. Um, you know with other guests and stuff like that I think some of those instances where it's more of an opportunity where maybe they're like oh I know that this person exists here's their name but I don't know who they are and then it's like it gives me a chance to kind of like balance back and forth and have someone to like react against in the story I know I was. 01:05:40.50 sidekqpodcast Commenting to Katherine the other day I was like oh I was going back and reading some of the stories we wrote back and forth and so towards the end of the campaign they had made it to the mainland they're traveling through this swamp and you know she was on. Maternity leave which it was explain why she wasn't normally playing in the game so we came up with okay well we'll do a dialogue back and forth to explain why your character's away and and come up with a really interesting scene. So using some of the Mac Colleville mcdm retainer rules she meets up with this band. 01:06:07.74 Goblinkatie On what. 01:06:11.83 sidekqpodcast Of Orcs half Orcs and humans who've escaped the Slaver colony that exists and so she's speaking to one of the faction leaders. Um, and I just remember the really poignant scene where she you know she followed the the dissonant Orc gods but because she had become enslaved. You know she like had become like agnostic or had abandoned all the gods because oh she had been betrayed and so her character is this halfway clerict coming into the space to meet with all these refugees and stuff and so I had this really cool moment before like the whole ah you know, short story ended. 01:06:37.64 Goblinkatie Oh. 01:06:47.81 sidekqpodcast Where she's watching her finishing up all her ministerial duties and she's drinking from a waterskin and leaning up against a tree and so Catherine's character comes over. Oh thank you so much for watching over and then dac was the name of the the orc girl woman. Um, who was you know went into this treatise about like oh the god's abandoned us so then why should I care and then she pulls out a holy symbol of the old evil orc goddess that she followed and she's like oh if I could just if I could just crush this in my hand and then my then that goddess would feel just a fraction of the pain that I would know and then you know, then Kaine's you know set her character Raca was like okay well then do it and so then I wrote like okay, well she calls the bluff and so she squeezes as hard as she can until she can because they're right there by the tree I thought of she rounds on the tree she starts punching the tree with the symbol in her hand and every. Punges actually accentuated with a grunt or some sort of swear ward or something and she keeps going harder and harder and she keeps hitting it to the point where she you know they're snapping like something breaks and so then Racco's character swoops in to grab the arm to like pull it away and before she can like instinctively. Instinctively react to like maybe swing at her because she's in like a rage. Um, she just I just have her go like collapse into the arms of Raa into like this like semi-fetalness because she's just letting all the anger out and then Catherine in character. You know delivers this very loving impassioned words of comfort to her. 01:08:19.47 sidekqpodcast And you know she uses her last cure wounds to heal her hand up and the symbol old symbol falls into the the mud and the muck and you know disappears forever and so then that's kind of like a moment for that particular npc to have a moment of like you know, realizing that? Oh. Gods do care and especially some of those agents who serve them. You know, actually do care about people and so why I now have this newfound respect for this player character coming into my life and then you know then I said okay well she becomes she becomes your retainer because now you have to go track one of the other rebel faction leaders that's trying to meet up with. The big bad that you're fighting currently in the swamp and so then that was ah a cool way to introduce and have a story for that retainer. So unless the other players from the game listen and hear that story as to like what happened or Katherine ever chooses to share those stories to some of our other coworkers. Otherwise that's just a between. Her and me and now I guess in a context the wider audience now kind of knows that story but I thought that was like a really cool moment in character and just like other other characters that I've had opportunities I feel like you know there's every part of a Npc story still resonates with you because if a player character is an extension of. You know? Ah if a player character is an extension of a person that is portraying them then I guess to a degree. It's the same thing with Npcs as well. Whether it's like oh I just saw a funny idea on a piece of media and I decided to parody them for a game or it's just something you thought of that naturally reacts or comes into contact with ah with the player in their everyday. 01:09:55.19 sidekqpodcast Sort of life. 01:09:55.41 Anson I have the deep backstory for a npc or a deep moment for just in a Vc. That's that's really cool. 01:10:01.10 sidekqpodcast In. 01:10:01.19 Goblinkatie That that was beautiful just straight up that was the the crisis of faith followed by the reassurance and comfort and the realization that brought is just. 01:10:13.86 sidekqpodcast Um, in. 01:10:18.33 Goblinkatie Beautiful storytelling. Well done. 01:10:18.46 sidekqpodcast Yeah, well between well between her and my other good friend kiki and Joseph Anthony you know others Elizabeth is hoarsely as well really helped all shape my orc pantheon a lot and you know for the cooler and the better. So yeah, so you know before wizards made their official change of like ah orcs and goblinoids have like a fay wild sort of origin I just had naturally kind of come to that conclusion my own and then you know through the. You know every setting's got to have some sort of apocalyptic war between the gods and it's like oh that's where the fracture happened with the orc pantheon and you know so there is one that managed to stay true and form like this new family and stuff like that. But then all the old ones are the ones that went bad and and stuff like that. Are they you know that. 01:11:06.73 Goblinkatie Um, yeah I. 01:11:08.61 sidekqpodcast Orcs forgot like what it was a truly represented and they only know what the what new evils they sort of embody. 01:11:16.44 Goblinkatie I love that you took orcs out of the typical role of um, chaotic and evil and and all that sort of stuff and gave them a um, a rich. Textured pantheon because when you when you come down to it. A lot of ah cultures and societies have been shaped by their religion so that metamorphosis from following all evil gods. Really comes up beautifully I had 1 last question for you if I may um because this question is not asked enough once you're an adult. 01:11:52.29 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah, so okay, yeah. 01:12:04.18 Goblinkatie And I feel it is ah very important and you can learn a lot from a person by it. What is your favorite dinosaur. 01:12:15.18 sidekqpodcast Ah, how very apt of you to ask that because that's what my son really likes you know he likes dinosaurs and and all that so that's that's you know that's my headspace that I live in most days. With him and and you know he's He's just wonderful and Great. You know y'all got to see him on camera before we started rolling in stuff like that. Um, but yeah, favorite dinosaur. 01:12:42.80 sidekqpodcast Like what kind of dinosaur am I What kind of dinosaur do I like like probably just like a chill dinosaur. So I mean I mean I'm tall so it's like easy answer to be like oh lookronosaurus but you know triceratops is cool. Um, yeah. 01:12:55.80 Goblinkatie M. 01:13:02.49 sidekqpodcast I Mean you know you know T rexes are cool obviously and stuff like that. But you know drastic park and and whatnot. Oh No I mean I guess probably like a triceraops is pretty cool cause it's like theirre Good offense and and defense as well and they just want to like chill and not hurt. Anyone stuff like that. 01:13:22.90 Goblinkatie Anson What about you put you on the spot. 01:13:34.50 sidekqpodcast Me. 01:13:42.20 sidekqpodcast Yeah, yeah, he's like a little ah like a baby or like ah like a young a youngish pronosaur so he's not like a gigantic one I've only seen it once on Disney plus I think my wife tried to show it to my son but then he got freaked out at some point. 01:13:44.35 Goblinkatie Oh I haven't seen that either. 01:14:02.90 sidekqpodcast Points and then they stop watching it. So. 01:14:02.77 Goblinkatie Um, and. 01:14:18.24 Goblinkatie Um, tear dactys are too Edge Lord I Love it. 01:14:20.12 sidekqpodcast Yeah, don't you remember Jurassic Park two they had to like go through the whole. Ah it was the it was the second one they had to go through like the whole terred actl. Ah aviary thing and it was all like Foy and spooky and then they were just who. 01:14:30.10 Goblinkatie Um, oh yeah. 01:14:37.78 sidekqpodcast Swoop through. So it's like again teractyles are terrifying I don't know what you're talking about. 01:14:42.51 Goblinkatie It's it's flying and aggressive. This is not a good commendation. 01:14:45.79 sidekqpodcast Right? Yeah, take me back to the triceratops is where they're just like grazing in a field and they look majestic. Yeah. 01:14:53.19 Goblinkatie My favorite is the stegosaurus and I still remember the Stegosaurus song from Kindergarten It's good stuff. 01:14:56.80 sidekqpodcast And. 01:15:04.54 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah, good stuff. Well I mean I'm I'm down to still talk I know Mr. Ansen said he was needing needing to pop out and you know it could still be an opportunity for you know Katie to still. 01:15:11.20 Goblinkatie Yeah, um. 01:15:21.59 sidekqpodcast Ask her questions and and give her suggestions too. So by no means am I trying to cut us off short or anything like that. But you know this is your patrons pub night. So I mean you know people bounce and then some people stay at the bar longer I guess. 01:15:23.41 Goblinkatie Sure. 01:15:37.17 Goblinkatie I am one of those folks who will close a bar. So yeah. 01:15:48.34 sidekqpodcast Only good things about Anson from here on out. 01:15:53.67 Goblinkatie Anson It was lovely meeting you. 01:16:05.60 sidekqpodcast Um, right. Cheers. 01:16:10.42 sidekqpodcast All right? So then hopefully I think when this call is done I should be able to extract his audio. No problem. So yeah, continuing on I see that you had a. 01:16:12.90 Goblinkatie Okay. 01:16:18.96 Goblinkatie Oh can Oh no I can't save his oops. 01:16:25.39 sidekqpodcast Oh I should be able to handle out on Maya No problem but you know I was seeing here. You had some ah you know some suggestions and announcements and oh I see it was announcements of New Patreon Perks and then you had like maybe some suggestions you wanted to kind of throw around or or talk about other other stuff. So yeah, you know now it's just. 01:16:26.74 Goblinkatie Okay. 01:16:42.17 Goblinkatie Yeah, if if you don't if you don't mind. Okay, yeah I do too. Um, again Starbucks Tumblr. So I'm I'm in for the lawn haul. Um, so you were asking about Patreon perks. 01:16:44.64 sidekqpodcast Oun's just solo home time. Yeah I've still got drink. So yeah. 01:16:55.72 sidekqpodcast Incat. Um, yeah. 01:17:01.85 Goblinkatie Um, Patreon is actually 1 of my favorite websites that has come out because there are things that I I love art I love art I am an actress at heart I love it I have absolutely no talent for dancing or illustrative art. 01:17:05.28 sidekqpodcast E. 01:17:18.90 sidekqpodcast He. 01:17:21.20 Goblinkatie And so I I discovered Patreon and realized that while I can't do these things that I absolutely love I can support the people who do and so the the idea of patreon perks um. 01:17:34.13 sidekqpodcast Um e. 01:17:40.21 Goblinkatie Is is exciting. Um I personally love just being able to support the person doing something they love and that is awesome. But you asked about Perks So or ah, the the questionnaire asked about perks. 01:17:56.83 sidekqpodcast Um, me sure. Okay, yeah, sure. 01:17:59.98 Goblinkatie So um, I had a couple ideas that I would love to bounce off you if you're interested. Okay, ah the first one I called a seat at the table and what this is. Is essentially you pick ah 2 patreons. This would be a higher tier because it requires more organization more scheduling all that kind of stuff. Um, but you would pick maybe 1 or 2 of your high-tier patreons and ah schedule a game. 01:18:18.14 sidekqpodcast Um, okay in me. 01:18:33.89 Goblinkatie With maybe 2 or 3 of your guests ah playing the npcs they created and the patreons get to do a one shot with them as those characters. 01:18:43.78 sidekqpodcast Okay, okay, yeah, that's that's cool. Certainly I know with the aristocratic level finally being unveiled at $10 a month That's where it was like oh the tri-monthly game. So like once a quarter. If you're at that level. Yeah, we'll try and you know get a game together and and stuff like that to to play and organize that as ah as a one shot deal over demi planee which is the service I'm most comfortable using at this point. Yeah. 01:19:04.13 Goblinkatie And. 01:19:13.84 Goblinkatie Oh demi planee is awesome like I I've poked around on it I I've never played path finder but I have poked around on demiplane and that is a solid ah resource. It's it's good. Um. 01:19:24.28 sidekqpodcast Yeah, yeah. 01:19:29.62 sidekqpodcast Okay. 01:19:30.10 Goblinkatie The ah, the second one stick figure portraits basically um, say two dollars tier because it's it's not terribly involved. Um, at the $2 tier as a reward you would get the joy of seeing a figure of the npc on the most recent episode illustrated in stick figure format by yourself. 01:19:59.70 sidekqpodcast Um, oh okay, it's like a very very rough artisted set. 01:20:03.28 Goblinkatie Oh very rudimentary ah very rough rudimentary. Absolutely no a I um because a I is not good. Um and just sort of a ah, a silly little. 01:20:15.10 sidekqpodcast Um, anything. 01:20:21.20 Goblinkatie Fun addition that you can ah add to folks and again $2 tier so it's not um, more people can enjoy it and stick figure so it's not a huge burden on you to produce. 01:20:36.26 sidekqpodcast Okay, I mean I could probably even you know I mean I have some rudimentary art skills I mean I could always try and do a little more involved than just a stick figure but okay like you know if that's something that's more. 01:20:44.94 Goblinkatie Outcome. 01:20:54.67 sidekqpodcast Interesting to do at least with every episode, especially if you know it's fresh in my mind and it's something that I could easily put together I'd have to go through retroactively for all those other episodes that maybe don't already have artwork involved because I know. 01:21:00.95 Goblinkatie Um. 01:21:08.22 Goblinkatie That or you could just do it from here out like from from one point on I should say not not from do it from this episode I Want stick figures of me and anson. 01:21:12.20 sidekqpodcast Sorry we're just. 01:21:21.10 sidekqpodcast Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, that might be something cool to ah to do I mean? Yeah, especially as far as like more something tangible to to reward because I feel like at this point it's like very sort of like you know I get inputs and then they get. 01:21:23.23 Goblinkatie You You don't have to do that. 01:21:38.25 sidekqpodcast Add it to a table and then it's like then you just have to listen to all the episodes and figure out like when are my inputs going to be used and and stuff like that. 01:21:46.73 Goblinkatie Um, oh actually that that makes me think of a question can I jump back to a question. Ah you you mentioned what was it. 01:21:49.37 sidekqpodcast Sure. 01:22:02.70 Goblinkatie No I forgot it never mind just edit that out. Sorry um so the third idea I had I called in a sticky situation. 01:22:06.30 sidekqpodcast Um, oh okay, now that's running. 01:22:12.35 sidekqpodcast For client. 01:22:18.58 Goblinkatie And that is that um, at the say 3 or $4 level and above you get when you sign up, you get a sticker of the show's logo. 01:22:23.35 sidekqpodcast In. 01:22:32.80 Goblinkatie And the advantage of this is that Ah, not only do people get to display their love of the show but they also have an opportunity for folks to ask them hey what's that about and they get to tell folks about a podcast. They love. 01:22:49.33 sidekqpodcast Okay, sure. Yeah, okay yeah stickers. Yeah I mean I know people love stickers. It's just I didn't know how feasible it was. You know to do manufacturing stuff. But then again just down local where I'd live. 01:22:51.93 Goblinkatie When they asked. 01:22:59.89 Goblinkatie Um. 01:23:07.52 sidekqpodcast I was able to find a local print shop and I made all those business cards for the the podcast. So now that would be something easy to stick in with a bunch of stickers I suppose and then it's like hey here's some business cards and you can give them out or whatever to people. 01:23:13.20 Goblinkatie Um. 01:23:21.38 Goblinkatie Yeah, if if you need a recommendation. Um I've had stickers printed for both myself and D four and um. I Have a good company to work with. They're not too expensive. The stickers are great quality The ah fulfillment time is really Good. So I can I can pick Yeah up. 01:23:37.12 sidekqpodcast Okay, and then I would certainly love if there were stickers of the the fan art that Sam Rusk made of Duncan so that would be pretty cool sticker to have I have to make sure it's cool with with. 01:23:45.93 Goblinkatie Oh that would granite. 01:23:52.51 sidekqpodcast Sam because I mean I know it's like her art and so I don't want it to just like me profit off her art or whatever that you know she made out of her out of her goodness because she's like hey I really like being on the show and if you want me to do like a doodle of your character or whatever I'll I'll do it. So. 01:24:02.61 Goblinkatie Yeah, ah. 01:24:08.84 Goblinkatie It is so amazing when people lend their talents to what you're doing ah the the excitement just the excitement you get when folks are so inspired by your work that they create something is amazing. 01:24:12.50 sidekqpodcast Are a. 01:24:22.10 sidekqpodcast And I like seeing all the little Easter eggs that I got to tell her about like from the various random encounter adventures. He's been on so you can see the deer skin loafers with the coins. 01:24:26.16 Goblinkatie It's such a cool feeling. 01:24:37.64 sidekqpodcast Inside the shoes. You can see the wooden spoon in his belt loop for when he talked to Mrs Lilly in the and the spoon of justice you can see the the k quaondo crossbow contraption on his wrist and you know so those little easter eggs that you're like oh yeah I remember that episode he was on that rain of adventure. Yeah. 01:24:54.80 Goblinkatie Yeah, that's awesome. Um, okay so I need to jump back because the final idea I had ties into um ah ideas for new things to try. 01:25:06.28 sidekqpodcast Okay, okay. 01:25:09.34 Goblinkatie So I'm going to kind of jump around here. You asked about new things to try potential ideas. Um, my first one which I have a feeling I've mentioned to you previously is a battle Royale wherein previous guests. 01:25:15.86 sidekqpodcast Um, okay. 01:25:28.83 Goblinkatie Play their npcs and they fight against another group of npcs ah previous guests are a monster created by the community and that ties in to. The idea I had which is um at the what did I say say $4 tier. Ah because I believe that's currently the second highest. 01:25:52.27 sidekqpodcast And. Right. 01:26:00.20 Goblinkatie The $4 tier allows folks to ah, make suggestions for what the monster that they're facing should be and ah the credit is given to the community. Ah for creating this monster which kind of sets it apart. From the ah reward at the $10 Patreon level which allows you to add on to tables and be credited specifically if your ah suggestion comes up. So. 01:26:24.57 sidekqpodcast Um, and you. 01:26:33.44 sidekqpodcast Well with the full dollar. That's where you get to add suggestions to the random tables and Npc creation. So so then this would also be at the floor. Okay. 01:26:36.87 Goblinkatie So Knowledge here. And yes, so $4 is just a general.. Thank you to the community $10 is thank you to this specific person. Yes. 01:26:51.17 sidekqpodcast Oh I see as far as the monster. So if you do if you do it at $10 then the battle or the the battle royale difference there at that level is like instead of just oh you're part of the community who thought up of the monster. It's like. Joe Schmo specifically thought of this monster. So thank you for being an aristocratic Patreon supporter. Ah, okay, that's cool. Okay. 01:27:11.46 Goblinkatie Exactly Yes, another idea I had was story specials wherein instead of doing npcs. 01:27:23.76 sidekqpodcast Um, oh. 01:27:28.60 Goblinkatie You do a special event just an episode every so often where um, somebody comes on and guests and comes up with a a potential story hook and you would play an npc that they hook. After the first half you know they they describe it and and what the idea is and how you can carry it into your campaign and adjust it for your Npcs and then they implement it with you playing a Pc and being hooked into the adventure. 01:28:04.19 sidekqpodcast Okay, so okay, so definitely more of an extension on the side quest questions where it's like more explicit world building going on and explaining like. You know the deeper ramifications of like well why is it for this particular setting or or set of circumstances. Why this is a thing and then I'm playing an adventurer character who gives an example of being swept into the the hook. Okay. 01:28:30.26 Goblinkatie Um. 01:28:34.93 Goblinkatie Exactly. 01:28:38.98 sidekqpodcast That makes me think of like of how kill every monster does it with them with the monster where they explain the monster and then it's like a whole story thing where a rom gets to be the the player character and then the guest is like the monster and then you know they do like a combat thing between. 01:28:44.91 Goblinkatie Um. 01:28:55.51 Goblinkatie Right? right? right? And in in this case instead of um, it it being the development and fighting of the monster. It's more about. 01:28:57.73 sidekqpodcast The 2 of them are a group of adventurers against the monster or whatever. 01:29:12.68 Goblinkatie How you would ah set up a story to be dovetailed into a major campaign. You know like a side quest. 01:29:21.68 sidekqpodcast So basically it becomes like an an episode special dedicated to just side quest for me. So you're not and you're you're kind of divorcing it apart from having it tied to a specific Npc though that's probably part of it Anyway, it's just more dedicated towards like. 01:29:28.61 Goblinkatie Exactly. 01:29:40.57 sidekqpodcast Okay, if this is the side Quest we're wanting what are the world circumstances going on to how we can build this in so depending on whichever way you're going to come into it will allow you to you know whichever track you come in. Okay, now we're on the story train for this side. Quest. 01:29:57.10 Goblinkatie Exactly yes. 01:30:00.17 sidekqpodcast Okay, but that actually does sound pretty cool. Yeah, and yeah, give everybody yeah former guest or new guests kind of an opportunity to to try their chops of just like all we're doing is sidequest development so they don't have to necessarily worry about all the ins and outs of ah of a. Npc Character specifically. Okay, all right? That's pretty cool. 01:30:17.27 Goblinkatie Right. 01:30:23.78 Goblinkatie And then my third suggestion um is a I called it a t t r p g good news. Brief. There is so oh much. Rage to engage content online. It would be absolutely amazing to hear somebody highlight the good things that are happening in the community. Ah new products coming out ah people doing. 01:30:40.99 sidekqpodcast E. 01:30:58.69 Goblinkatie Charity stuff things things of that nature things that bring joy and hope to the audience as opposed to ah the the sad stuff that goes on ah and that again just like maybe once a month 01:31:11.74 sidekqpodcast A. 01:31:18.53 Goblinkatie A 5 minute brief on hey here's what's happening. That's really cool and happy and good. 01:31:24.41 sidekqpodcast Okay, yeah I know I like that's an easy like bonus episode to just sit down real quick record locally and then just kind of have it be stream of consciousness based on. Yeah like yeah some cool thing I've seen in in the Hobby space or. Like some game I've had the opportunity to try or something like that. That's just a bit of positive good news and to try and get people to to check out the story or or whatever is going On. Maybe some charity initiative or or whatnot. Okay, those are all some great ideas. Yeah. 01:31:48.42 Goblinkatie Um. 01:31:55.16 Goblinkatie Yeah, exactly. 01:32:03.32 sidekqpodcast Figuring out trying to figure out like what ones could easily be implemented or which ones would take any which would take a little bit of development and maybe how different levels would change just based on the interest because as of right now. No one's moved into the 10 01:32:10.62 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:32:20.64 sidekqpodcast Dollar level tier which is understandable and you know things take time to tweak and we did just record our first parlay at the platter episode with Travis Frederick Johnny Stan the fourth and Joshua Simons so I've got to get that all put too heavy. Yep. 01:32:34.64 Goblinkatie Good group. 01:32:38.86 sidekqpodcast So we talked sports athletics and d and d and that was the conversation. Yeah, yeah, so that 1 is one that's on the editing Bay Docket that I gotta take care of and that is what I've decided that $4 and ten dollars patrons will get access to early and then I'll probably get. 01:32:43.69 Goblinkatie Um, love it. 01:32:57.46 Goblinkatie Um. 01:32:57.80 sidekqpodcast Like a month or so before I release it to the more general feed for everybody to take benefit of and and take notice of. 01:33:06.33 Goblinkatie Sure. Yeah, so okay I'm I'm through my ah previously decided content. So let's see what do I want to pick your brain on. 01:33:12.48 sidekqpodcast Sure. 01:33:17.82 sidekqpodcast Sure. 01:33:21.21 Goblinkatie What is your favorite question in getting to know somebody on your show. 01:33:30.19 sidekqpodcast I think probably honestly it's the passion question because it's you know it's really asking at a deeper truth of someone um because I know people I've ah i've. Listen to talk about like the nature of friendships and you know just the news of reports out there that you know people today you know in the millennial millennial age and younger and stuff like that have a really hard time with forming authentic friendships in an age where everything is so. Instant gratification as well as instantaneous and you have to subscribe to all my beliefs of the same opinion or else we can't be friends or in different tribes and stuff so people are just genuinely seemingly having harder times making friends and that question. Is kind of like a question that you would get to ask in ah in a deep friendship. Um, yeah, you know, even you know and it doesn't necessarily mean that I thereby become their bff forever you know by asking that question or just having them 1 time on the podcast but it really helps to tap into a deeper human truth. 01:34:24.16 Goblinkatie You know. 01:34:40.56 sidekqpodcast About about my guest and and to like know and it's not just like some sort of like okay we do the format of the show and it's all it's all fun games and we don't take ourselves seriously which you know to a degree. We're all here to have fun and stuff like that. But at the same time just reinforcing that like. Hey I see you as a person and I value the you that is you and you know I just I'm just curious to know what's something that you are passionate about I may not agree with it. I may not have the same level of expertise or understanding but just kind of understanding What makes you a unique human. And what makes you happy about it is just an interesting question to ask and then hear someone's answer because sometimes you know storytelling gets an often. Ah you know, popular answer in that segment but sometimes people have different ways of answering that question. 01:35:32.40 Goblinkatie On. 01:35:33.88 sidekqpodcast When you put it to them and then sometimes people give you a completely different ah passion answer when you wasn't one that you were necessarily expecting like Joshua Simon saying like I'm ah ah I'm a huge lover of college sports. It was like okay well that's that's interesting. You know for someone in the. You know d and d sphere maybe that's something that everyone necessarily is passionate about or you know you being passionate about taking mental health seriously or and being passionate about um orchestration and music theory and music in general you know people have like. 01:35:53.82 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 01:36:03.41 Goblinkatie Um. 01:36:12.14 sidekqpodcast Different interests or if you know maybe if I reinterviewed officially Travis Frederick he might say you know like oh I'm really passionate about beer because of all the work that I've got to do with roller town brewery and stuff like that. so so yeah that's I think that's a really deep question. It's a simple and a deep question at the same time. 01:36:22.10 Goblinkatie Sure. 01:36:30.31 Goblinkatie And then what? um oh by the way. Um, you now have an aristocratic Patron who ah what? what would you like the legacy. 01:36:37.46 sidekqpodcast Um, woohoo. 01:36:48.30 Goblinkatie Of this podcast to be. 01:36:51.87 sidekqpodcast That's a good one. You know it's always good to have the question of memento more in mind and you know realize your mortality. And you know my my tomorrows are never guaranteed and I'm I'm thankful to God that I have you know, just another day to live and to to do good work in this World. So I would hope that the legacy of this podcast would be that you know here's someone trying to be an authentic human being that has. 01:37:10.76 Goblinkatie Um. 01:37:20.14 sidekqpodcast Fun and sees beauty and truth and goodness in the world. Even if it's you know, maybe through the lens of something that may not have a particular real world application or meaning but that we can find it in those passions and those hobbies and these things that we love because everything is. Is a seed of truth and goodness in the world. So I would I would hope that you know in a you know, not that I'm going to be the next Tolkien or or anything like that. But that I just would hope that people would be like you know here was a guy that was trying to make a difference in. His small way and make the community a positive place and yeah, you know what? maybe everything he stood for on a personal basis I didn't agree with but I respected the hell out of his integrity and what he stood for and what he was trying to to bring out not in um, not only in just himself. Ah, but he was trying to bring that out in other people as well to make them realize you know that there's there's more to us than just the labels that we give ourselves or whatever. 01:38:25.22 Goblinkatie That is an amazing answer I Love that answer so you are a are you a forever Dm or do you play as well. 01:38:38.96 sidekqpodcast Ah move I think I would say like 7 eights of the time I'm probably a forever dm and then every now one of then I get to be a player character in a game. It just. Ever since you know fourth edition and getting my start with ah dming and then the move into fifth edition. It just maybe because of my natural proclivity with being inventive and creative with storytelling and and jelling with people and their ideas and coming up with these scenarios. Or just working off of like okay I've got a b and c how do I make them work and then somehow I'm able to do it I don't know if at me I feel like everyone should have that ability unless people think oh I'm just magically gifted or I've just crafted it over years of watching a lot of movies. And playing a lot of video games or something like that. But I do enjoy world building and with good friends comes those good conversations to enhance the world building of like oh well, if if my character is a half -war cleric who is a war priest. Ah, but my goddesses in the trickery domain. What does that mean? Oh well, it must mean and that all the other domains regardless of what your your deity represents in fifth edition terms it just means that you're a different order. So. It's like the same thing as a jesuit versus a franciscan versus dominican and so you could still be a war cleric. 01:39:51.52 Goblinkatie Um, comma. 01:40:04.84 Goblinkatie Um. 01:40:06.74 sidekqpodcast Or you know war domain but you serve you know a trickster goddess but your level of war might mean something different as opposed to like the War God and the war domain so you kind of ah different ways of you know, ah flavoring things and and coming about it from different ways. 01:40:15.59 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:40:21.87 Goblinkatie I Love that? Okay, nice. 01:40:24.37 sidekqpodcast Because you're a paladin. So and if I were to place you know your character in my game like what kind of flavor of palette and are you and what is the flavor of the de you serve. 01:40:30.90 Goblinkatie Um. 01:40:35.85 Goblinkatie Right? I currently I am playing she used to be an order of knowledge pal or on d 4 specifically ah Sasha my pc used to be an order of knowledge paladin who followed um ama. 01:40:41.83 sidekqpodcast A. 01:40:52.41 Goblinkatie And then she's in asimar and she discovered ah through a series of very unfortunate events ah that she is the daughter of Lera who is the goddess of ah illusion and mists and all this kind of stuff. 01:40:54.94 sidekqpodcast Um. 01:41:09.12 Goblinkatie And Sasha the character had always viewed illusions as lies which is antithetical to her belief in Oma and so ah, she went through a massive crisis crisis of faith and she's. 01:41:11.62 sidekqpodcast A. 01:41:24.56 Goblinkatie For reasons that you I don't want to say because it's a major spoiler. Um, she becomes a paladin of vengeance so and or inquisitive rogue. It's It's a whole thing but ah for the record Paladin Rogue is a nasty combination. 01:41:35.70 sidekqpodcast Um, hear me all okay. 01:41:43.24 Goblinkatie Um, but it's sort of a yeah, it's It's interesting with the changes they made in five E where a paladin doesn't get their power from their devotion to a God they get it from their devotion to an ideal and it. 01:42:01.78 sidekqpodcast Um, me. 01:42:03.70 Goblinkatie Took me a little while to grasp that and I like it and I miss the paladin being faith powered. Um, ah yeah. 01:42:04.75 sidekqpodcast A. 01:42:13.89 sidekqpodcast Yeah, and that's how I run it in my game. So like you know if I were to take satia and put her in my game. So It's like ah okay so you're nasimr and you know you serve a God of knowledge and so then you belong to the biggest order that exists for that God and so there might be. You know, um because I know with my gods in in my game I've had a time to develop like different terms for saints because you know you know like in real world religions in the world. You know different face maybe have different terms for like you know. Holy. 01:42:47.10 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 01:42:47.87 sidekqpodcast People that are involved in their faith. So as a Catholic it's like oh well I know saint so-and-so and Saint Soandso So started this order and this practice and you can You can find their descendants of their religious sect. You know, walking the streets of the world and and doing the will of. 01:43:02.53 Goblinkatie Um, yeah. 01:43:03.27 sidekqpodcast Of God you know, but through their particular flavor in in charge and Mission. So You know like okay so a paladin who serves the goddess of knowledge and is the knowledge domain. Okay, well then you just belong to the biggest most common order but there may be other people who serve agma. That might be you know the necromancy angle and so they're like more you know the knowledge ah surrounding death and burial practices and taking you know the death domain kind of seriously in that way. 01:43:22.00 Goblinkatie And. 01:43:34.91 Goblinkatie Yeah I love that you went that angle because ah the paladin that trained her was a paladin of Jurgal who is one of the gods of death. He's the scribe of death in classic D and D Canon. Ah. 01:43:35.71 sidekqpodcast So yeah, that's how like I might flavor it in my game. For example. 01:43:52.64 Goblinkatie Well, he was the God of death overall and then he got sick of it and just was like I just want to I Just want to record names just y'all do your thing. Whatever I don't care anymore. Um, so it it amuses me that you went death on that. Um. Ah, metaphor that be a metaphor. Yeah, yeah, yeah that that thing I Promise I graduated high school. 01:44:12.69 sidekqpodcast Yeah men for example I just randomly pulled out of there and you would driving mean that you were describing that character and I immediately linked to the episode we do with Mike Bradford and we made o' really are the god of assassins who. You know the kid who Tim Allen Santa Claus the original god of assassins and then was like well I don't want to kill anyone but we can kill dreams and ambitions. That's a different way that we'll do assassinations now assassinations of character. You know that kind of angle. 01:44:34.56 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 01:44:45.54 Goblinkatie Ah I love that Oh I love that That's really cool. 01:44:51.15 sidekqpodcast Yeah, that's ah yeah, that's a fun episode. If yeah, if you need to revisit through the back catalog but that was all really of the God of Assassins and the oh yeah. 01:45:00.30 Goblinkatie Actually that that brings up another question. Um, so you have a lot of episodes At this point there is a lot of content for this show if someone was new. 01:45:07.89 sidekqpodcast Um, over a hundred. Yes. 01:45:13.25 sidekqpodcast He. 01:45:15.68 Goblinkatie And they hadn't listened to an episode which one would you recommend to them. 01:45:25.55 sidekqpodcast That's a I mean yeah, that's a really good question. It's like the one that's the most entertaining sounding sounding or where the guest was the most you know lively and they sounded good on the recording or do I pick one that like real. 01:45:28.10 Goblinkatie It's a toughie. 01:45:41.36 sidekqpodcast Good world building was done I mean I feel I feel it. 01:45:45.56 Goblinkatie But would say I would say something that gives the listener A really good idea of what the show is and is um, engaging on your core concept. 01:45:52.67 sidekqpodcast Um, in. 01:45:55.66 sidekqpodcast Okay, well I would say I mean if you I mean the very first episode you know I explicitly made that one to be a this is the format of the show and this is what you can expect it to be. 01:46:09.90 Goblinkatie Okay. 01:46:11.45 sidekqpodcast So like just on a very safe rudimentary level I can say if you listen to the very first episode in season 1 that's going to give you an idea of pretty much how every other episode is going to follow. And as you listen through season 1 season 2 it's like okay, it's like finding a rhythm with the guests and certainly with the editing styles as well not being so choppy sounding that that was just my persistence again coming out of blank tape with like no I have to cut out every breath and every um and pause and filler word and then was like you can. 01:46:27.65 Goblinkatie England. 01:46:39.29 Goblinkatie All there's somemon you. 01:46:40.56 sidekqpodcast Can leave it little yeah but I mean honestly I guess if you've listened to any of the more the more recent of an episode you listen to I think will honestly help you know, give you an idea maybe pick someone that you're familiar with or maybe someone that you're not familiar with. 01:46:57.60 Goblinkatie Um. 01:46:59.17 sidekqpodcast Um, someone that you know if you can read through the guest bio that I've made and if something in their sparks and interests because and their answer they talk about like an Npc character that you're interested in and it's like okay, well maybe then give this one a Try. So Then there's at least ah a common ground and then figuring out like. Why is that why did they pick this side Quest or why did they pick this Npc that I'm also interested in or you know if you're just looking for something convenient for your game I Know there's a number of blacksmith episodes we have but all the blacksmiths are different from each other. No. 01:47:34.46 Goblinkatie Um. 01:47:34.61 sidekqpodcast Blacksmiths are ever exactly the same a number of ah ruhia episodes but all the Ruxhi says that we made are all completely different from each other as well. Even lichenthropes that have been on the show. They're all different from each other so it's just a matter of you know. 01:47:48.56 Goblinkatie Often. 01:47:52.76 sidekqpodcast You know whether you want a practical answer or it like you know who's a guest you're interested in listening to or just like what are you interested or needing for your game your character backstory. It's like you know I really want to shake things up and I want I want some sort of you know? ah. 01:48:02.49 Goblinkatie On the. 01:48:10.72 sidekqpodcast Evil pair of rutious ah twins that are somehow involved in my backstory. Okay well Adriana and allanorra are now the 2 ruxious ah twins that are involved in your character's backstory and stuff like that. 01:48:25.65 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah, no I love it. Um, so you you are a person of faith and a lot of times. Ah folks have an issue. 01:48:34.74 sidekqpodcast Um, yes. 01:48:42.32 Goblinkatie Reconciling a a religious belief. Whatever that belief may be with ah gaming because there is there's there's still a little bit of a a stigma to it. Ah, since the 80 s it's it's not nearly as bad anymore. 01:48:48.61 sidekqpodcast E. 01:48:56.00 sidekqpodcast A. 01:49:02.30 Goblinkatie As a gamer from the 80 s ah, but there's there's still a little hangup there. So I'm curious how your belief has impacted what you do as a storyteller. 01:49:08.41 sidekqpodcast E. 01:49:22.80 Goblinkatie Is it is it something that you just kind of tuck to the side in a compartmentalization sort of move or is it something that ah you have utilized to enrich your storytelling. 01:49:34.18 sidekqpodcast Oh no I married the two I mean I follow the example of Toen because we're both catholics I you know Tolkien talks about how the hobbit and the little and the lord of the rings are catholic works I remember. 01:49:42.39 Goblinkatie Um. 01:49:46.40 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:49:49.54 sidekqpodcast Ah, first reading them. You know when the Peter Jackson movies were first coming out and so you know my dad you know, no I wasn't it wasn't required reading for me but I remember junior high time is when the movies were coming out for me and so. 01:49:53.93 Goblinkatie But you didn't have to read him in high school. 01:50:04.33 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:50:06.80 sidekqpodcast Seeing the first trailer my dad you know in the movie theater tell me oh these movies are finally coming out. Okay, we're gonna read these books and so then I started reading them and I clearly vividly remember being at my grandparents house and getting to the point where they're talking about lembus bread and to me automatically being someone in the faith that was like oh that's the eucharist like that's you know. 01:50:25.54 Goblinkatie Um, yeah I straight up picture a wafer. It was like a big thick wafer my my. 01:50:26.68 sidekqpodcast That's the life giving bread and so then you know. 01:50:35.47 sidekqpodcast So then yeah it was easy enough for me then once I found out like oh Tolkien was catholic and then I started seeing more and more of the connections built in built into the work into the theme and. 01:50:46.85 Goblinkatie Um. 01:50:49.16 sidekqpodcast You know he doesn't do it in ah in a way like like I know often the joke is with his fellow writing colleague CSLewis who who came to faith later in life that was like oh you know the internet joping like Tolkien is like you know i've. 01:50:56.78 Goblinkatie Friend. 01:51:03.82 sidekqpodcast Invented my whole language in this whole mythos in this reality and the catholicism's baked into it but I don't have to explicitly make an allegory or something and then see us Lewis is like if nobody knows that this lion Aslan is Jesus and I'm going to cry or something like that. 01:51:17.44 Goblinkatie Um, yeah, right, Let me let me just spoon feed you this little bit of knowledge. So what. 01:51:21.66 sidekqpodcast Right? And so I did end up writing a piece for altia and you can you can find it in my spotlight section where I I wrote a I was inspired to try and write something for work and. They weren't interested. But then one of my editor colleagues said well I have I have some poll with them if you want to you know, hand it over to them and then you know they they paid me money and it's ah it's one published actual thing I've ever written on ah on a website. So I talked about catholicism and christianity And. Tabletop role-playing games and dungeons and dragons and all that. So I think it's ah it's a pretty good piece that stands on its own I mean I did have a professional writer go over it and you know even bring in you know, scriptural stuff to kind of help. Ah back up some of the stuff I was talking about without citations and and stuff like that. So. 01:52:10.64 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:52:14.88 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so I took that Tolkien approach and so the world of harmony which you listen to in the bonus episodes of the podcast which when I was doing in between week stuff and was like I need filler content I know I'll just go to my Dm's notes and spill it all. So if you need something to play with. You've got something. But yeah, that's all. You know that's all percolated based on my you know my faith and everything growing up and so you can see the obvious parallels of the sawor being the one god which is like aru ilvatar from the legendarium of Tolkien and all the other major gods basically end up being like greater angels. And you know the the whole you know manickean dichotomy and stuff like that which which comes into play. But yeah, like you know the the catholicism of my world is all subtly baked in there without being it like too obvious on the head in people's faces and in a way that's going to turn them off. 01:52:56.62 Goblinkatie Um. 01:53:03.27 Goblinkatie Yeah. 01:53:10.70 sidekqpodcast Um, but like I talked about in the in the article that I wrote you know I did it and I would encourage that in such a way for people to do that. It opens up those conversations because if you look at the game. It's like the dds are things that people interact with all the time but yet some of the people who play this game act as if like. 01:53:29.46 Goblinkatie I know. 01:53:29.73 sidekqpodcast Dds aren't real and it's like but you're in a game where they're real. So then maybe that can be a way to open up natural conversations. So you know from a Christian perspective or you know, maybe you're jewish or you're you're hindu or you're buddhist or whatever but you can use that as an opportunity to be like hey you know we have this game where we are. 01:53:37.81 Goblinkatie Um. 01:53:48.10 sidekqpodcast You know avatars or we are saints or representatives that are serving the interests of our deity figures but like like that's a part of me in real life and you know I'm here to not be the the end. All be all representation of it that you may encounter in the world because I'm an imperfect person that's still tribe. 01:53:54.51 Goblinkatie Um. 01:54:07.36 sidekqpodcast Striving and trying to live up to those ideals and continually grow and work on myself. But I'm here to at least show you my walk on that journey and what it means to mean how important it is to me and what I want to share with my friends and and family and stuff like that. 01:54:10.96 Goblinkatie Who aren't we all. 01:54:22.77 Goblinkatie Yeah, oh that's awesome I Love it. It's It's not terribly common to see ah people in the sphere in the ttrpg sphere. Ah, who will acknowledge their faith. So that that is something that um I personally have a tremendous respect for people who are are willing to say hey this is who I am This is what I believe here? Um I think that's ah, an amazing thing to be able to do. 01:54:51.92 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah. 01:54:57.76 Goblinkatie Um, especially with ah incorporating it into a game without being ham fisted about it that that is what turns a lot of people off to to religions is that folks some folks try to shove it down their throats and there's a natural no weight. 01:55:01.77 sidekqpodcast A. 01:55:15.87 Goblinkatie Hang on to that So being able to incorporate that that love and that belief into a fictional scenario where it allows people playing to um, open their mind to. What living like that might be like and then ah either choosing to do more research on an out of gameme level or even just saying that's not for me I think opening that door is a marvelous thing. 01:55:35.96 sidekqpodcast E. 01:55:54.57 Goblinkatie Um, so I applaud you for that. Um, your your career has dovetailed beautifully with what you do and I'm kind of curious. 01:55:56.29 sidekqpodcast Thanks. 01:56:11.30 Goblinkatie If you have learned things from the professional world that have had a positive impact on your ah storytelling and podcasting. 01:56:21.23 sidekqpodcast Yeah, well I mean being a you know a person who's on the phones and emails all day listening to people and maybe it's the only time I'll forget to interact with them. But you know it helps to reinforce that idea of like the the person on the other end that I'm communicating with whether it is through a. Electronic means or it's through a telephone means you know they are a person and so I need to treat them with respect as such and you know they have lives and stories that they've lived. And so I'm sure it all feeds into the subconscious of like when I'm trying to think of a person who exemplifies this particular role in society or what they've done or what kind of personality they're like I might remember of like oh yeah, there was that 1 sweet lady that I talked to who just would go on and on and on about the stuff we make and how much she loved it. And so that's like a kind of a person that I would want to stick in a game or like oh this person called in and they were having a real tough time and they were having trouble reconciling something and so I was able to step in and provide some of that care and compassion with helping them to resolve their issue or just to provide some context as to you know, maybe what they were confused about. Then by the end of the call or the email or whatever they're like oh great that answered my question and now I no longer feel. You know, discouraged or whatever so it it all helps funnel into also being a better podcast hope host I hope. 01:57:43.70 Goblinkatie That's awesome. 01:57:47.62 Goblinkatie I Think you're doing a good job I mean I'm a little biased but I think you're doing good What what is your favorite story element to implement in your games if they if there was a trope for instance that just. 01:57:54.23 sidekqpodcast Thank you. 01:58:07.16 Goblinkatie Absolutely fuels your creativity. What would that be. 01:58:08.61 sidekqpodcast Um, I mean I Really do like feeding off of you know the things that the players are interested in and so if I can get them hooked or interested on an idea then that gives me inspiration to think on on it I know with this. Um, Cadence set a setting that I've alluded to obviously with the combination of all the player characters versus the faction leaders. There's a lot of rich world building that I've done for that setting and so if the players or whoever wanted to explore. Um, a deeper point or or a place within the world than we could. Then we could find it and explore those areas. 01:58:55.10 Goblinkatie Um, ah, building on that. What is what element would you say is your strongest as a Dm. What? What skill do you have that that you think is. Most beneficial to your players. 01:59:11.97 sidekqpodcast Um I think it's definitely my willingness to put myself on the line and be a ham So I'm not afraid to necessarily be goofy or vulnerable which I think helps a lot especially with someone who's not an actor or they're not comfortable. 01:59:22.91 Goblinkatie Um. 01:59:27.74 sidekqpodcast Speaking in character then they can know like oh well Kurt's just being a big goof. Okay, well if he can be a goof then I suppose I can you know believe that I'm this Knight and that I talk with the arthurian accent shirt. Okay I feel a little more comfortable doing that. And also just kind of like riffing on the ideas that people have where maybe I'll ask some questions and I'm like well if this means that then what about this and then they're like oh maybe I didn't think about that or oh that sounds real cool. We should. We should go with that. So I think those are some of my biggest benefits there. 01:59:48.48 Goblinkatie Um. 01:59:55.83 Goblinkatie Yeah, how much prep do you do before dming. 02:00:04.13 sidekqpodcast Probably not enough but also just the right amount I guess. 02:00:11.57 Goblinkatie I'm I'm a big person when I Dm I basically build a a bullet point list of things that are important to the story that I need to hit at some point and ah so and and um items because I am terrible at coming up with items. 02:00:15.29 sidekqpodcast A. 02:00:24.45 sidekqpodcast In. 02:00:29.58 Goblinkatie But aside from that I just fly by the seat of my pants. So based on what the players do I build on that I will work in the stuff I need them to know but I give them a sandbox Essentially so that's I. 02:00:42.93 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah. 02:00:46.79 Goblinkatie I Know that's not necessarily. Everybody's comfort point but I have found if I over Prep I get lost in the details and lose touch with the story. Yeah, so. 02:00:49.70 sidekqpodcast In. 02:00:58.56 sidekqpodcast Yeah. 02:01:04.19 Goblinkatie I'm trying to think how's your drink? Okay, okay, you're about halfway let me see. 02:01:05.16 sidekqpodcast Um, is. 02:01:10.24 sidekqpodcast Um, ah, good good. 02:01:25.68 Goblinkatie I'm ah I'm not going to admit how close to empty my. 02:01:30.93 sidekqpodcast Well, if ah yeah I mean I'm I'm I'm comfortable stopping whenever you are I'm not going to force you to sit here and still drink if you if you don't want to. 02:01:37.75 Goblinkatie Oh no I'm I'm happy just hanging out like it's ah I've got oh I've got 20 minutes that I can stick around oh Ch Chg chug chug I'm so proud of you. 02:01:51.60 sidekqpodcast Ah I did it Good job me. 02:01:55.34 Goblinkatie I'm proud good job. So do you have you ever considered ah playing on stream. 02:02:03.66 sidekqpodcast I Mean if given the opportunity if someone wanted me to be there and if I had the the okay from the family to invest in that sort of kind of thing if it were on a more regular basis than just like a oh I'm gonna just do a guest spot here or something. 02:02:15.22 Goblinkatie Um. 02:02:21.30 Goblinkatie And. 02:02:23.90 sidekqpodcast And yeah, that would that would be cool and fun I mean might be an extra fun way to bring in income but you know I'm not exactly hurting for cash or anything like that clearly this podcast is not my money grab attempt or or anything like that. Yep. 02:02:29.58 Goblinkatie Um. 02:02:37.83 Goblinkatie It is a labor of love. Which yeah, which is awesome because ah I I don't think a lot of people understand the financial commitment. 02:02:41.51 sidekqpodcast Hobby with the Capital h. 02:02:53.18 Goblinkatie That producing a podcast or a stream is um, especially if you're looking to ah with with a stream I have I don't have familiarity with developing a podcast I just do streaming and when you ah. 02:02:54.71 sidekqpodcast A. 02:03:09.60 Goblinkatie Do a professional stream when you're looking to pay people. It throws a huge difference into your budget. Um, which makes me ah, want to ask? What do you think of streamers as paid professionals. 02:03:10.82 sidekqpodcast E. 02:03:17.18 sidekqpodcast Right. 02:03:25.45 sidekqpodcast I Mean you know they're out there developing content and they're you know they're part of the you know that interesting point in the hobby where it's like okay well some people are turning this you know into livings and you know people should be paid. Um, fair and in comfortable wages for their Labor. So I mean if if someone's okay I suppose with just doing it for the the thrills and the out of the goodness of their heart more power to them. But um, you know if someone's like you know, hey it's you know this has costing me a lot to be able to do then. You know I think you should pay them. You know I think that would be the right thing to do. Um I know you know without it derailing into a whole like what is content creation and should it all be you know monetized and you know rails of capitalism and whatever else. 02:04:05.13 Goblinkatie And. 02:04:23.60 sidekqpodcast Um, it's just like you know, whatever's whatever's fair and you know whatever is you know the right thing to do That's what you you should be doing. You shouldn't be exploiting or taking advantage of people just because you can because that's not right thing to do. 02:04:35.31 Goblinkatie I love it that makes me happy I got some random questions for you to give a little insight into who is Kurt would you rather. 02:04:43.88 sidekqpodcast Okay. Okay. 02:04:54.65 Goblinkatie Hit every green light for the rest of your life or get a genuine compliment from a stranger every day. 02:05:02.19 sidekqpodcast Oh no, the genuine compliment from a stranger every day I mean I get enough of that now just in my job where people are thanking me for what I do and where I work and the people that I work with so I mean that's already pretty much in line with with what I do and that genuinely. That genuine compliment from a stranger is just like you know the best part about doing what I do you know because I may never see them this sight of heaven again, but just knowing that like hey there is a moment where we shared in time and space and you paid me a generally. 02:05:31.66 Goblinkatie Um. 02:05:38.87 sidekqpodcast You know, nice compliment you you thanked me for something that I was able to you know do that was that was the right thing so that means a lot to me. 02:05:46.20 Goblinkatie Yeah I try to make a point ah any day where I I leave the house I try to make a point of ah complimenting a random person because it. It's such a simple little no effort thing to do on your part but it can completely turn someone's day around and ah having having been the person who was having a abysmal day. 02:06:07.37 sidekqpodcast E. 02:06:18.53 Goblinkatie And somebody just walked past and said oh I like your shirt that that tiny little compliment that tiny little nugget of happiness completely changed my outlook on that day and so being able to give that to other people. Is an amazing Thing. So I Despite the fact I'm constantly late for things I would actually completely agree with you. 02:06:40.14 sidekqpodcast Um, and oh. 02:06:46.30 sidekqpodcast Yeah, and I think that kind of dovetails into a thing you care about as far as mental health I know where you know like on random Reddit threads or something like that where you know guys are talking about things and they're like. I still remember the one day in freshman seminar of whatever class a girl told me hey your hair and beard looked really good that day and then like five years later ten years later I still remember that compliment and that's why I wear my hair and beard the way I do because some. Woman compliment to be nice and said I look good and so then I decided to take an investment in myself and you know maintain you know like a good healthy appearance so you know, especially for men like a good I'm not saying like you know oh everyone has to compliment men. That's not what I mean but I mean like genuinely. 02:07:27.51 Goblinkatie Yeah. 02:07:36.44 Goblinkatie Guys don't get compliments as often at least that in my experience guys do not get complimented as often as women. Um and and I would imagine ah ah like nonbinary and and folks like that I think women. 02:07:38.49 sidekqpodcast Yeah, so I just. Um, yeah. 02:07:53.23 Goblinkatie Are more prone to complements ah be just because of the way Society works. Um, so and it's it's kind of like men getting flowers I know several old guys who actually really like getting flowers it it. 02:07:59.81 sidekqpodcast In. 02:08:10.75 Goblinkatie Makes them feel cool and recognized and special. But it's not something people think of doing for baked goods. Everybody loves a good baked good. Yeah oh let's see. 02:08:11.69 sidekqpodcast Yeah, right right? Yeah, true. 02:08:28.83 Goblinkatie Oh okay, this is a good one. Okay would you rather only be able to speak by singing or have earth been hit by a devastating Asteroid if you say the word tomato. 02:08:48.97 sidekqpodcast Considering we're growing tomatoes I feel like that would just be you know too premature of a world ending event. So I guess if I had to go through life as if it was a musical would not be so terrible. 02:08:54.13 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 02:09:01.53 Goblinkatie I Think it'd actually be kind of fun because like even I know there are folks who say oh I can't saying I can't sing. But even if somebody doesn't think they can sing if they take joy in the action that. 02:09:03.63 sidekqpodcast Yeah. 02:09:13.64 sidekqpodcast In that. 02:09:20.81 Goblinkatie Makes it enjoyable to to be there for um I I love seeing people express themselves. It's It's an amazing thing to see somebody open themselves up and and give insight to who they are so. 02:09:23.92 sidekqpodcast Um, is it. 02:09:38.91 Goblinkatie Anytime someone says oh I can't do this I can't do that but they try it Anyways, it makes that effort just so much better it. It blows me away. So yeah I get that I get that. 02:09:41.75 sidekqpodcast A. 02:09:50.69 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah. 02:09:55.39 Goblinkatie I Think that's all I got though I'm trying to prove anything else. Yes I think so yeah. 02:09:55.88 sidekqpodcast Okay, well are you are you ready to close out the pub as it were awesome. Well I know it's taken a while to get us back in touch and I know you're due for a return guest. That's okay, life happens. 02:10:08.83 Goblinkatie I am the worst and I apologize. 02:10:15.74 sidekqpodcast So I I just hope that I wasn't being too annoying as far as like hey, how's it going and then crickets and be like okay so she doesn't she's to I'm I'm it's too much I need to like give her some space and not bother her. 02:10:18.10 Goblinkatie I Don't know No no. 02:10:29.76 Goblinkatie I had a period of time for like the last six months where I was overwhelmed. Um I was trying to do a lot in the ah ttr cheat tt rpg space because. Um I was job hunting and so I committed to a bunch of stuff and kind of overwhelmed myself and then I got a job and still had those commitments and it it was a lot. 02:11:01.58 sidekqpodcast Um, she. 02:11:02.67 Goblinkatie Um, recognizing your limitations is a thing and I learned to do that recently? So Um I've I've actually for the first time ever I backed out of a show. Because I as I told them I cannot give this the dedication and focus that it deserves you guys deserve better than what I'm giving So I'm going to have to back out. Um, but ah, there are there are things that are. 02:11:26.15 sidekqpodcast E. 02:11:35.22 Goblinkatie Near and dear to my heart and important to me and everything gets kind of put on a a list. Um, but adh d I forget that list so it it. It actually really helped and meant a lot that you kept reaching out. Um. I'm I'm glad we were able to do this because again I love your concept and your execution. So I love being able to support it and whether that's through Patreon or or being here and chatting with you. Um it it means something. and and I appreciate the fact that ah you you continued to reach out and didn't just write it off. So thank you. 02:12:21.27 sidekqpodcast Oh of course, you're welcome. Yeah, so everyone's got to look out for each other. So no man is an island. 02:12:29.16 Goblinkatie You know, absolute right? right? It's it's the whole concept of ah support network everybody needs a support network and whether that's someone you know intimately or someone that brings you just brings you. Happiness. Ah, it's it's something that's important and this is something that has consistently brought me happiness so it it was really good getting to sit down and Anson was wonderful. Such a lovely gentleman. 02:13:03.68 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah, well we will will try and plan for another one of these hopefully maybe in the future. We'll have. 02:13:04.10 Goblinkatie Oh I'm I'm really glad we got to do this. 02:13:12.57 sidekqpodcast Even more Patreon ah members to add to the call or something like that that might be fun to try and do convince your friends. You know, yeah party chat? Yeah if it gets too wild and chaotic. We'll have to organize it somehow a little bit better. But at least when it's small and intimate like this. It can be definitely. 02:13:16.84 Goblinkatie Yeah through like a party chat. 02:13:27.31 Goblinkatie Um, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, so and you know honestly that gives me another suggestion idea a roundtable discussion with ah some of your guests. 02:13:31.60 sidekqpodcast What more 1 on one q and a type things. 02:13:45.39 Goblinkatie Just you kind of guiding a yeah ah discussion among um, peers. 02:13:50.83 sidekqpodcast Which is what I think we're trying to do with the parlays at the platter where I go through the guest list of people who have similar areas of expertise or passions and then get them all together for a conversation around a particular area. So hopefully. 02:13:55.13 Goblinkatie Yeah. 02:14:00.62 Goblinkatie Yeah. 02:14:07.62 sidekqpodcast We'll be having the first one of those available on the Patreon for a little while before it goes public and just speaking of all the editing I have to do I know there's supposed to be an episode that goes out this week Wednesday but I haven't even touched it yet. 02:14:13.93 Goblinkatie Now. Ah. 02:14:22.29 sidekqpodcast And then you know that that panel episode. So there's there's a lot I got to do and maybe I have to give myself a little grace and just let everyone know like hey Wednesday an episode is supposed to go out but I need a little more time. 02:14:27.27 Goblinkatie Yes, please. 02:14:34.63 Goblinkatie Yeah,, there's there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that ah life has come up and this this is a side hustle. This is something you do for love and fun. It's not something you're doing for a living so it should not be in my opinion. At the top of your priority list. Um, and I get the impression. It's not which makes me really Happy. Um I think you have especially seeing you with your son. You have a good grasp on what is important and essential so you do a good job balancing that. 02:14:51.77 sidekqpodcast Me. 02:15:07.50 sidekqpodcast Thank you I Appreciate that. 02:15:11.76 Goblinkatie Yeah, um, on a side note and off the record. Do you want me to talk to kp and James and see if ah, they'd be interested I I'll see James Saturday on our ah our Saturday morning game. 02:15:19.79 sidekqpodcast Yeah, that sounds good to me. 02:15:29.11 Goblinkatie So I can ask him then and I'll just text Kp. So yeah. 02:15:30.70 sidekqpodcast Okay, yeah, last I knew yeah this will be I guess part of the segment that gets cut out. But yeah last I knew kp had moved down here to Dallas somewhere. 02:15:39.31 Goblinkatie Yeah, he is in Dallas he and his family have moved to Dallas um his he and his wife summa are expecting um and they are absolutely excited. But I know for a fact kp. 02:15:47.25 sidekqpodcast E. 02:15:55.77 Goblinkatie Loves interacting with people. He loves doing podcasts. He loves ah creativity and exploring that. So I'm I am comfortable saying that he will very likely jump at the opportunity. So. 02:16:10.14 sidekqpodcast Well concerning The last time he and I spoke on a podcast fashion we were on that anniversary stream for role for persuasion. Ah yeah, so I know we were both on that ah together. But I think he was in the Pacific Northwest when he was doing that. But yeah. 02:16:16.35 Goblinkatie Yeah. 02:16:23.40 Goblinkatie Yes, he used to be in Washington. Yeah, so. 02:16:27.67 sidekqpodcast Yeah, well where I live. There's a pretty big desie population. So I figured like oh maybe he's moved around my immediate local area in Dallas I'm not entirely sure. Yeah. 02:16:36.26 Goblinkatie Oh that would be cool I know he'd love having more local friends I know that would that would be exciting for him, especially somebody who is a parent and can you know. 02:16:47.58 sidekqpodcast Um, half year old. Well next month and be two and a half but yeah yeah he gets it from his mom. Not me that's for sure. 02:16:52.28 Goblinkatie So cute little ginger I Love it because you you have reddish tones to your hair. It looks like yeah, got it? okay. 02:17:02.14 sidekqpodcast It It was blonde when I was born and then became more brown. 02:17:11.25 Goblinkatie Ah, maybe it's the the camera of the lighting you have you have a hint a so song of Ginger and and I I approve um but tell Adam Hello and I miss him and I adore him he is. He is such a sweetheart and I hate that he lives so close. 02:17:18.60 sidekqpodcast Yep. 02:17:30.10 Goblinkatie And I don't get to hang out with him so he's in Alabama at least he was last time I I yeah asked where he was at yeah I I drive all over the southeast for work. Um, easily. 02:17:30.12 sidekqpodcast Oh he's there in Georgia. oh yeah oh yeah I guess that is fairly close. Yeah in. 02:17:48.63 Goblinkatie Um I drive to Charleston and Savannah um, they want me to fly but if I can't get a rental car at the airports in Charleston or savannah I drive from Atlanta I prefer driving. It's a 5 hour drive doesn't bother me at all. So ah Birmingham. 02:18:00.54 sidekqpodcast In. 02:18:06.34 Goblinkatie Is a 2 hour drive for me. So I'm like maybe I should actually go see. Yeah, but yeah I'll I'll talk to James and kp and see if if they'd be interested in doing something like that I think they would be honestly so. 02:18:11.12 sidekqpodcast Right. 02:18:19.85 sidekqpodcast Yeah, yeah I was just going through my rolodex my head of thinking like okay I need to alternate between like some you know, maybe not name recognized people and then have more returning guests and then maybe cast my lure out to be like oh you big shot. Maybe you want to. 02:18:30.26 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 02:18:37.69 sidekqpodcast Maybe you would like to be on this podcast or not so then there's a little bit of variety as well. So it's not all just like I exhausted all my resources trying to get these cool people and now it's nothing or some. 02:18:38.66 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah. 02:18:48.19 Goblinkatie Yeah, yeah, well and that's I think that's part of something that makes the show work so well is you don't just hit big names. You hit folks from all walks of the the ttrpg sphere and. I think that adds a lot because you're adding perspective that folks may not have ah 1 of the reasons I love running games for kids is because they come up with the wildest ideas that you would never in 1000000 years think of. And getting to bounce off a kid for for story is so much fun I love it. But yeah, it's it's those new perspectives those different perspectives they add so much wealth to any story and you do a good job of covering that. 02:19:29.18 sidekqpodcast Um, yeah. 02:19:39.79 sidekqpodcast Thank you all right? Well are we ready to hit the stop record button and and and close out the tabs and you know let Randolph know we're heading on out and all that good stuff. 02:19:43.31 Goblinkatie Um. 02:19:54.90 Goblinkatie I I think so yeah I got to figure out how to oh you hit buttons right? I was like I don't see anything here that allows me to stop. 02:19:57.42 sidekqpodcast Okay, yes I'll hit buttons on my side and well. 02:20:08.27 sidekqpodcast So so thank you everyone for indulging us in our second ever patrons pub night electric Boogaloo Voodoo whatever we're gonna name this episode who do voodoo you do what? Um, um. 02:20:15.84 Goblinkatie Who do we do. 02:20:24.54 sidekqpodcast But yeah, yeah, thank you for for joining us in this extended behind the scenes of the podcast and the people who help financially support me to make all this possible. So thank you all again and we'll see you next time Bye for now.