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Hey, you're listening to Cut for Time, a podcast from Faith Church located on the north side of Indianapolis.  My name is Claire Kingsley.  And I'm Dan Breitwieser. Each week, one of us will sit down with the person who gave Sunday's sermon to discuss their message.  Cut for Time is a look behind the scenes of sermon preparation,  and they'll share with us a few things that we didn't hear from the sermon on Sunday. Thanks for listening. And welcome to this week's edition of Cut for Time. I'm Dan. Cut for time. Cut Cut for time again. So I was trying to do a little reverb action there. Cut for time. Cut for time. for time. Cut for time. I like it. I like it. We can just start adding sound effects to this and really boost the audience here. Maybe, maybe not. Yeah, all the people see what they want. But yes, Pastor Jeff, this week we are talking about God's workmanship. you know, probably one of the more well-known passages of the entire Bible, frankly, when we're talking about the resolutions 8 through 10. And so we did a little bit larger chunk, 5 through 10. So we just kind of have a couple of questions, which I always love. Get those in. Usually we record on Mondays. So, you know, get them in Sunday while you're thinking about it, maybe during the sermon. I mean, in between you're taking notes, you could send that in that way, you know, love it.  We'll get there, but  can just give me an overview then  of your sermon  from Sunday. I'm actually thinking, Dan,  I should have you give the overview.  Just make sure, let people know, like, prove to me you were actually listening. The  host should have to do the review. No.  This sounds like you've forgotten it already, but I will do it. I will do it. No, no, I want to know what I preached. I know what I I just want to know if anyone else heard it. So, you know, the biggest thing you you're talking about was God's work for you leads to God's work through you. And I think we are really,  you know, bridging the gap between understanding, um you know, that when God has, um you know, his  rescue of us.  And we've talked about this in last couple of weeks, I think, as we're talking about Ephesians, I mean, bringing us from death to life and other key Christian thoughts and what God the Father has done through Jesus Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit in our lives now, that that should lead us to do something more than just go, good job, God, thanks. We should be doing, there should be. a result, the fruit that kind of comes out of that. So that would be kind of like the big picture. um Look at you. Look at you. How's that? Yeah, that was great. Absolutely. That's right. God's work for us  inevitably leads to God's work through us. And I think, you know, there's a reasonable question to ask ourselves if there's no evidence of God doing anything in my life. Is God actually present in my life? That's a, you know, maybe a separate question to wrestle with, but Paul is making it clear in this passage. Salvation is not only God's work, but our lives having been saved, our lives are part of that work of God as well. So we are God's workmanship, God's art, God's masterpiece that is meant to be a reflection of who God is and what He's done for us and lives that have been transformed by God's grace and the power of the Gospels  to demonstrate that we actually belong to Him  and to show what God is like  in and through us. So yeah, if we have been  saved, if we've come to know God's rescue and redemption and salvation,  it's gonna show up  in...  the way that we live. you know, we good works is, you know, that's a whole big, yeah, in terms of what we would have cut. Yeah, man, there's there's a whole discussion there of what is what a good works look like. And. Yeah. OK. Well, I think the other thing that you said that I think is really important for everybody to think about is there are things that only you can do in terms of just the place you live, the place you work, the friends you have, the experiences that are unique to you that um can be um something that God can use in a way that no one else can. Obviously, it's not you doing the work, uh but in terms of, you know, there's only  one person who lives at  my house in my neighborhood with my neighbors around me. uh Same thing with my job. Same thing with. ah the appointments that I have and  the other people I come in contact with and the stores that I shop at. I mean, just in terms of, know, we should, you know, our life should be a witness. so thinking through like  there are things and we're gonna, think this is kind of where I want to go and talk to you a little bit more about this. But I think that's a really important point too, to think through, you know, um yes, there's some collective truth, but there's some awesome individual truth when it comes to that in terms of. And beyond even just the  access  and the network and the people that are around me,  Like  nobody else at Faith Church is going to reach people in my neighborhood probably because I'm the only one from Faith Church that lives in my neighborhood.  Beyond that, uh if you think about  as well just  being in the body of Christ and connected with other believers,  I'm not the only person, for example, that can pray. I'm not the only person that could teach a Sunday school class. I'm not the only person that can offer encouragement to another person. But the things that God has brought into my life, the things that I've experienced, the things that he's shown me,  give me a unique perspective and a unique input into other people's lives, right? Like, so  I'm the only person that can pray from the perspective that I have, right?  And what I bring to that is just as valuable as what anyone else does, but it's a reminder, right? Like I think behind this  idea is Paul's  theology of being the body of Christ, right? Like we need all the parts.  And sure, there are some things that maybe God has uniquely gifted and wired me to do in the body that are different from what other people are gifted and wired to do. But even in the things that we all do commonly together, worship and pray and encourage and bear one another's burdens,  I have something unique, just like you have something unique to bring to that. The things, that  you and your wife are gonna offer to  other people in the body of Christ  who are also parents raising kids,  it's gonna be unique because of who you are and what God has brought you through. And  we all need that, right?  for one from one another. That's what's also so cool about this idea of being God's workmanship, right? Like  somebody else in the body needs  the perspective and the  insight and the reflection of what God has brought me through. And I don't know who that is specifically, but I'm going to go into every interaction as a Christian friend with the perspective that God has brought me into that person's life and into that relationship to help  offer something from my life and perspective that they may need to hear.  And  that I'm in that relationship as well to help draw out of that person what God intends them to be too. That's good. I think that is really good. And I think um that's kind of what I want to explore a little bit. um Yeah.  And we're going to get to the questions here, I promise. But I think it was really an interesting time to present this sermon um of all Sundays, you know, on Promotion Sunday, uh you know, for our church  and a Sunday that, um you know, there was a uh really specific practical request that was put out to the church uh on that. And  that was for childcare workers. And I will say,  you know, I do have a unique perspective  on a few of those things. Hurts my soul sometimes when I think through it, it feels like a lot of times it's the same people volunteering over and over again. And so when we're talking about the cut for time, I realize that possibly I'm  most likely preaching to the choir. So I'm not sure that I have the  best worded question on this, but I'm trying to think through just what are your thoughts in terms of being a leader at church and leading, you know, being on the, you know, obviously the  interim lead pastor and on the elder executive board when it comes to making a request  and for people to  get more involved and to  volunteer their time. And again, it's not because it makes you a better or stronger Christian,  but it does make the body of Christ stronger and better. What's the right balance? mean, if someone is listening to this and they're thinking, am I serving enough? uh Am I um doing enough quote unquote good works because of my joy that I find in Jesus? What are some of those things that they could be thinking to themselves about where I'm at when it comes to this in a practical way?  Oh, man. uh  Gosh, that's really big. ah Yeah, I think the thing  for us to recognize,  for all of us as Christians, is that we all need both inputs and outputs  in our lives, right? And that's just true of us as human beings, but especially as followers of Jesus, right? Like we  need input, we need to receive, we need to be taking in to grow. And that happens on Sunday mornings in worship, that happens in Bible study and community group and... and just in Christian friendships, but I'm also created and saved and gifted in Christ to have output, right? Like  that's just fundamentally a need for us as Christians. If I'm just taking in all the time and not, there's no practical output. What good is all this stuff that I'm learning? What good is all the input?  So on the one hand, we've got,  you know, potential uh  issue or danger in our lives on either side of that equation, right? Like I can be putting out a lot, right? Like your comment about,  man, just, see  often the same people year after year volunteering in kids ministry, which is great. And we're very, very thankful for that. The people who faithfully serve and give and invest in young people's lives and whether that's men's ministry, women's ministry, kids, student ministry,  we're incredibly thankful for that. But we also uh can't,  if I'm just doing that all the time, right? Like if I'm  the  servant that is always  involved in the output,  where's the input? Where am I being nurtured and grown and encouraged and built up  by other parts of the body of Christ, by just my engagement in worship or  Bible study? we need...   to have people who are serving not feel like,  oh gosh, there's a need and that means  I feel responsible because I care and I don't want that need to go unmet. Because at the same time, there's also the reality of course that I can just be taking in and not have any output  and that's not healthy either,  Like  it's kind of a stereotype, right? But sure, there are people that...  We just were always up to go to the next Bible study. I always want to learn more  because, know, genuinely, I would say we want to know more about Jesus. We want to learn more about who God is and what he wants for my life.  Where's the output of that? Right. Like  I'm learning and growing in those ways,  not just for myself. That's really  maybe the thing for us to reflect and ask ourselves is, OK, I'm I'm learning and I'm receiving and I'm taking in all this stuff for what purpose? It's not just for me. Yes, there is a benefit for me. God does want to grow me, but he wants to grow me for the sake of being fruitful and useful in his kingdom, right? Like,  that's kind of the purpose behind taking in  and growing and being nurtured is for the sake of  my growth for other people. That's part of what it means, right, to be in the body of Christ is if I'm a hand or a foot or a spleen or an arm or an eye or whatever, uh I'm growing because I have a part to play in the body of Christ.  And if I'm not connected in a way that's serving the rest of the members of the body, then  what am I doing? What's the growth?  So there's always,  obviously there's no short answer to that, right? Like there's a tension for all of us and a bouncing act that we ask God to help us by the Spirit to discern in our own lives. Is there an output to all this  stuff that I'm taking in? And it doesn't all happen in the building, right? Like it doesn't all happen here on Wednesday night or Sunday morning.  For some people,  majority of their ministry may happen outside the walls of the church as they're serving in their community, serving in their neighborhood, trying to reach people, know, blessing others outside what's happening here in formal ministry. And that's fine. But we're also coming together  on  typically on Wednesday nights and Sunday mornings  to be the body of Christ together and to grow and to serve one another.  there's a role for us all in the body of Christ to be serving one another as we gather together. you know, before I ever entered into vocational ministry, that was just a pattern in my life, right? Like that's what it means to be a follower of Jesus is to say, yeah, I'm here to learn. I'm also here to serve. And that should be  a fundamental  commit, two fundamental commitments of my life in  being a follower of Jesus.  We remember as we walk out of the worship center, sometimes  the things that are just  around us in the building  or in our homes can kind of become background noise. But there's these four big signs that remind us the kind of the pathway for our growth as disciples of Jesus. Worship, serve, grow and go. I think we need to come together to worship.  We come together to grow together as followers of Jesus. But I'm also called to serve.  Every single one of us is called to serve. And if I'm not serving in some way, if there's no output, something has gotten out of balance and I'm unhealthy, and that means then the body is unhealthy. yeah,  we  occasionally,  with other  expressions of life and uh following Jesus, we'll make specific appeals because, there's a particular need in this area.  And uh this is an important area of ministry. That's an expression of our caring for one another. And yeah, we've got a need here in this area, finances or serving in ministry or, hey, we've got an opportunity to go out and impact our community. And  we want to make people aware of that need. And yeah, so there's always the  challenge there of  not trying to make the people who already serving feel like they need to take on more. uh that hopefully the people who  are hearing that can reflect honestly  and  with some good perspective,  is God speaking to me in this  and to be sensitive to that? And  it's okay  for some people to say, no, God isn't necessarily calling me to that, but we should at least all prayerfully consider and ask the Lord, is this something that you want me to step into? Is this something I need to? respond to. What I would just  I'll read the core value because again, yeah, love that Christian exhortation. Serve at faith. Everyone serves. It's just who we are. Everyone jumps in and does something because God wants to use all of us to reach the world with his gospel. And so I'll just you know, I get I'm not saying everybody needs to be in children's ministry. Goodness,  But it would be nice to have a an overabundance of that, but  I would just ask everyone to be thinking through, all right, this is one of the core values of the church that I attend. And I think that should be something that we've been drawn to faith, and that's one of the core values that we're drawn to, and that's what makes faith different than everybody else  in some ways because of the  unique values that we hold and how we whatever. And so I think I really would encourage everybody to be thinking through, like, how do I serve? and it's more than just a uh financial commitment, but I think it's a service of something, you know, and there's just opportunities, whether it's a one-time thing, whether it's a weekly thing, whether it's a quarterly thing, whether it's a summer thing, like there's opportunities for service and we should all be thinking through how can we be, you know, serving and loving others in that way. Amen. Do you think things have changed  in the pandemic? I mean, do you think since the pandemic, have  changed with that at Sure. I mean, I think  things were already changing culturally, ah you know, from my parents' generation, from my generation to even a younger generation. Like it's definitely been the trend over decades that we are more money rich and time poor. Now I would say, you know, over the last three or four years, that's even questionable. uh I don't think we are, you know,  people are feeling the hit of inflation post- post pandemic and man,  it is just objectively more expensive  and harder for, ah you know, millennial and Gen Z to get ahead and have the same quality of life at the ages that we did. That's just, so that's, you know, a little side, sidebar observation. ah But in general, yes, especially since the pandemic, I think we're all feeling more stretched. for time. ah Man, there's, and there's, think there's so many reasons for that. Social media, availability of information, availability of opportunities, things for us, things for our kids to be involved in, there's just no shortage. And so there's just a lot more things competing for our time and our attention. ah And so,  yeah, I think it's a challenge for all of us. ah  to be more aware of all of those pressures and tensions and offers and opportunities  and to be more thoughtful about, oh what do I really want to give myself to?  And what do I really want to  invest in? And what do want my life to be about? So yeah, I totally agree with you. ah Up until, you know, three or four years ago, I would have said, oh yeah, the trend is very clearly. uh over the last few generations where we have more money and less time. uh And  that is both true at the same time that it's also true,  man, in the last few years, we even have less money because everything has become more expensive. So we're all getting stretched. uh And it's  it's  it's challenging and it forces us to go back and ask ourselves like, OK,  what do I really want to be living for? What do I want my life to be about? What do I want to invest myself? And I think when we think of ourselves  as God's workmanship, that does hopefully provide a worldview and a perspective that is helpful as we think through those things ah in a real way. yeah.  So just the only other kind of editorial comment I want to throw out there is, man, I have nothing but respect and sympathy for people in their twenties, for example. It is objectively. Harder and more expensive to get started and get ahead and I hate the fact that you know, like home ownership is Not even on the table for you know  people starting out in their 20s It's just insanely expensive groceries are more expensive health care is more expensive education is more expensive So  I please don't hear me at all saying like  oh, you know you guys coming up No, it is it is actually legitimately harder and more expensive for young people to think about owning a home or starting a family.  that's just, that may really force us to do some thinking about, you know, like what family structures look like and living arrangements. You know, maybe we're moving more towards kind of a, what will have to be sort of a European model where you just, you live in apartments or you live with your parents longer.  I mean, that's not been our model in the U.S. but there's nothing objectively wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with having multi-generational families living in homes together. That's more common in human history. yeah,  there's, know,  things are changing and uh let's just acknowledge that and  think about what that might mean for us and what it means for us to be the body of Christ together. Yeah,  I totally agree with that. And we could spend probably another 30 to 45 minutes chatting through. what that is like, what I've experienced over the time, you those kinds of things. oh that's a great,  that's a really great point to make. And certainly something to  no matter your age, to be thinking through, you know, how things are different and more difficult for those who are younger than you, regardless of how old you are. Yeah, it is ah something that's uh important to to love and respect and not just go, well, in my day, I mean, there's there is a real big difference  on what today looks like. And so I think that's a really, really great point. All right, let's get to these two questions. ah All right, so here we go. First question is, in light of the rest of chapter two and chapter three, could Paul be thinking more about the corporate good works of the body, while not denying that individuals are doing good works that make up the body as church? Are  we reading too much into the  Western individualism of um this verse when it says, you know,  we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works. You know, do you think Paul means more like we the church are created for good works or m we, Jeff and Dan are created for good works in a more individual sense? Well, I'm going to I think on this I'm going to go to one of my favorite  kind of answers, which is, you know, I think it's a both and.  It's not an either or. Sure, Paul is very much,  you know, always has in mind  more the corporate sense, uh definitely much more than we do as individualistic Americans. uh But  yeah,  for sure, he  wants to help us see that we are part of the body of Christ and that the work of the church is  the good works that God's prepared in advance for us to do. But I don't think it's illegitimate at all. to see that uh as  coming down to the individual level uh and for us to be thinking about, what are the good works that God has created me to do uh uniquely maybe? Like we  talked, explored a little bit on Sunday. ah I'll just put my cars on the table.  At times in my  ministerial career,  gone into the spiritual gifts inventories and you know, uniquely you and how we're individually crafted. And I think there's value in that. But I think it can become a little,  a little too individualistic and a little too,  you know,  American. You know, I've got the  one thing that I'm uniquely designed to do that.  There's something to that, sure. But ah I think uh we tend to find out what God has  called and shaped us to do by just getting in there and trying stuff  and seeing where God is working through me. I mean, there's been times, uh you know, as a follower and a servant of Jesus that I've stepped in to do things in the church that were clearly I was not like super gifted at, right?  But that's okay, right? Like uh God...  God  equips the available and His grace is sufficient. So I found out some things that I wasn't super gifted at but needed to be done. And that's okay, right? Like that can be humbling in a great way because it forces me to depend all the more on God's grace and God's empowerment.  And there was just, you know...  class that needed to be taught or work that needed to be done or things that needed to happen that I should not be above doing because, well, that's not what I'm gifted to do. Well, there's a need in the body and I'm available  and God can work through me even if I'm not the most gifted person to do that thing. I think God's honored by our being faithful to do what needs to be done even if, you know, it doesn't show up on the list of things that,  know, are uniquely me. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. And I think um that can also be such an encouragement to other people. um You know, when, you know, there's different people who serve in various ways.  You know, I'm one of the kids own desk folks.  So we don't want some of I take a turn. And wouldn't you know that, you know, one of the elder executive board members, Fred Rescola serves there, too. You know, so I mean, I think there's just nothing like That speaks a lot when you have somebody who is uh clearly committed to our church. I can't even  imagine how many hours that requires of their time throughout  the month and through the year, but yet they still make time to do that. think, you so I don't, you know, it doesn't take a, does take more of a warm body in that sense, but I think it does, you know, it, it's encouraging to see people serve in those ways. You  know, someone who's a gifted surgeon and all sorts of things, you know,  he's on that security desk too. And so I think that's just a really, um you know, what, so regardless of what that is, um you know, I think that's,  I do, I totally agree. I think  sometimes being the available part is,  just as important. Yeah. Right. Because in some ways it isn't Jesus. I don't know that you can compare it, but I mean,  you could argue Jesus is at least as much glorified by us serving outside of our area of giftedness if we're doing that  gratefully, humbly, worshipfully,  and with  an even greater dependence on Him to help us do it well, right? Like, it's great when we get to serve in areas that we enjoy  and  we feel like, man, this is really what God has created me to do. But I think God is also really honored  and glorified by us serving in areas that that isn't true of, and yet we're doing it well and faithfully  and humbly because it needs to be done.  And we show up faithfully and we persevere.  I think Jesus is totally honored and glorified in that just as much as serving in our area of uh central giftedness. Jesus.  Jesus did not have a gift and a calling for washing disciples' feet. Yes. But that's what he did,  because that's what needed to be done. And it was, in fact, a way of him demonstrating what greatness in the kingdom looks like, which is stepping in to do the thing that needs to be done  because it needs to be done. And it's serving other people. And  it's honoring to God when we do that  joyfully and willingly.  as a way of simply honoring others in the body of Christ. yeah, so I, yeah, I think there's definitely something there. So yes, find out what your gifts are, you know, take the inventories, whatever. But honestly, I think you could, you know, if you're really interested in finding out what do I think God's really gifted me to do,  you could ask other people in the body of Christ, what do you see me good at?  I think we can learn just as much of that way.  by trusting that God is speaking through other members of the body,  and then also just by getting in and trying stuff  and say, okay, Jesus,  I'm willing to step into this need and I don't know that I'm particularly gifted here,  but I want to trust you that you'll empower me and help me to do a good job. yeah,  so  it's both. There's just stuff that needs to be done  and uh there's work. that the corporate body is called to do.  And  that may or may not align with my  specific gift, but you know,  one way to find out is to be available. Yeah, 100%. All right, we got one last question before he finishes his  job. And this is the one that I'm really looking forward to this, because I think I heard about this one in advance and  I have the answer for this. Oh,  well, that's wonderful. I'm glad to hear this. All right, this person says, I wrestle with the two extremes. I have total free will, just me, myself responsible versus being a puppet controlled by God. So how does verse 10 speak to my dilemma? Again, I just read that, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. So, Pastor Jeff, since you are prepared with your answer, what is it?  Yeah, totally. Because, you know, this is this is only an issue that Christians have wrestled with and agonized over for centuries.  So I you're going to hear it right here.  This is it. Cut for time. Faith Church,  September 2025. Detriman. That's right.  Yeah,  Jeff. Jeff has the answer.  God's sovereignty, man's free will. eh In all seriousness, uh it kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier. We struggle.  as finite human beings to try to make sense, to try and balance things in scripture that seem to be opposed to one another, right? Like God is totally sovereign, he ordains all things, he has prepared works in advance for us to walk in,  and we are also  morally responsible  beings whose choices actually matter and for which we are held responsible. So which is it? Is God, a puppet? Am I just doing whatever God's ordained me to do or do I actually have a choice in the matter? And the answer is yes.  It's  both and, right? Like we get into trouble  when we, because in our finiteness, we can't seem to put these things together. And so then we just pit them against each other and decide one has to be on top of the other, right? So  that's what... different Christian denominations will do in all kinds of things, right? Like God's sovereignty, man's free will. They're Christian denominations that,  you know, structure themselves around those things. And I think the reality is that we're called to hold both of those together and trust that they're both true because the Bible certainly affirms them both.  And it's a mystery that God can hold together and make sense of. and we're called to affirm both of those things and to trust that in some way that I don't totally understand and cannot grasp fully with my finite mind, God's will, God's sovereign ordained will is being worked out in the actions that I am choosing to make of my own volition. That's to me, that's  the best that I can do to kind of pull those things together. We have to hold them both together.  And the fact that God is sovereign and has ordained things in advance for me to do is not to tell me that I'm a puppet, but to give me actual confidence and to take the pressure off of me. Like the things that I am doing  are my choice and my choices matter. And ultimately, that gives me a peace and a confidence that frees me from anxiety and worry, if that makes sense.  I  can rest in the fact that the  past, the present, and the future are secure in God's hands.  man, I need to know that  because  I do not need or want a God who is up in heaven kind of wringing his hands, hoping that things are gonna work out and gosh, man, I don't know.  I want Jesus to come again and  rule eternally and  judge the nations and make all things right. But man, I don't know if humans are gonna cooperate and make it work out that way.  that's, man, I don't, that's not a helpful, that's not God. That's, you know,  and at the same time,  what,  if I'm not a freewill agent whose choices actually matter, then I really am just a robot. but that's not the way God created humanity and that's not the picture of humanity. My choices actually matter and yet somehow the things that I do actually are part of how God is working out his will in the world and we have to keep both of those things together. obviously I was being facetious, solving the centuries old problem. But if there is a solution there, I would say the solution is to remind myself I have to hold both of those things together and remind myself that both of those things are true and to live in a way that takes ownership for my choices while is also resting confidently in the assurance that God is ultimately in control. And the biggest thing to avoid is to pit those things against each other and  to like... say, you know, I have to absolutize one because I can't hold them both together. And so only one of one of those things has to win in a sense. I think that that's, if anything, the thing to avoid. And the thing that we hold on to is that they're both true. So God helped me to live faithfully in light of both of those biblical realities. Well said. Well said. Good answer, Pastor Jeff. I appreciate that. So there you have it. That's that's the answer. We've solved it. don't need to have any more conferences. We don't need any more books. We don't uh need any more  theological treatises on this. No,  we'll wrestle with it  until we see Jesus face to face, right? And I do believe at the end of the day, honestly, that that will be part of our experience is.  uh Now we see in part, we  struggle to make sense of what we see right now, but then we shall see, we shall know even as we are known. And I think in eternity, it's part of the worship of God is going to be getting to see how all these things worked out, how my free will was aligned perfectly with his sovereign for ordained plans. And it's all going to be to his glory.  And that's going to be part even of our worship of Jesus is being able to see like, wow,  Jesus praise you all glory to you that you were able to be honored and glorified and worshiped and your plans carried out in the middle of all my fumbling and stumbling and you know trying to walk faithfully  and thank you that you are in control of it all and that you actually worked through me to accomplish your beautiful perfect sovereign will all praise to you King Jesus. Well I know I worship when I learn new things about God and so  I fully expect and hope that in heaven Those are the kind of things we'll get to learn more about  and  be able to worship together. So  Pastor Jeff, again, thank you for  spending some time here  and really exploring some difficult issues and hopefully giving some people some things to think about. And  how about you say we do it again next week?  Ah, sounds great.  OK, I love it.  All right. Except next week, next week it's going to be Pastor Tom because he's preaching this Sunday. Well, then fine. We'll do it in two weeks. Yeah.  All right. Have a good week and we'll catch you again soon. Thanks, Dan. All right. Thanks, everyone.  Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Cut for Time.  If you wish to submit questions to our pastors following Sunday's sermon,  you can email them to podcast at faithchurchindie.com  or  text them in to our faith church texting number  and we'll do our best to cover them in next week's episode.  If this conversation blessed you in any way,  we encourage you to share it with others.  We'll be back again next week.