Fr. Chip Hines 0:02 Hello, and welcome to another edition of Never A Dull Movie, we've been away for a while because of, well, everybody knows why we've been away for a while. COVID-19 of course, and but we're back. And we're gonna try and do our best to continue the discussion about the movies, and now TV and streaming and everything else that, you know, is a part of our culture as we go through this pandemic together. And as we work together to you know, sort of live life in the new normal, as they like to say, which I'm actually tired of saying, but anyway, is there and with me, of course, is Brian Swift. Hello, Brian. Brian Swift 0:45 Hello, Fr. Chip. I was gonna say I was gonna interrupt you for a second. The second that you get comfortable saying the new normal, then we'll go back to the old normal. Fr. Chip Hines 0:54 Well, I hope so. Brian Swift 0:57 I want to go back to the old normal. Maybe that's the trick. Fr. Chip Hines 1:01 Yeah. Brian Swift 1:02 So well, I will also add that, unlike before, this is very weird. We're doing this remotely. Fr. Chip Hines 1:09 Yes, we are. Brian Swift 1:10 Yeah, I am. It is unusual. I know we never had never done before. We had never had the need. I am no, I am in the Gresley podcast, do your the catholictv world headquarters. Fr. Chip Hines 1:26 And I'm, I'm in my office in Natick, Massachusetts in my parish. So yes, we are in two different places. So this ought to be interesting, at least, to see if we can pull it off. I've never, I've never done this with without seeing the other person. You know, I've done podcasts remotely. And usually we're on for like Skype or Google Hangout or something. So I can see the person and talk to them. Makes it a little bit easier now, but not being able to see you we're gonna have to use a lot of verbal cues. Brian Swift 2:01 Yeah, um, I mean, I'm just gonna have to become a better listener. Me too. Me too. That's alright. We can grow together. Yeah, it's, it's weird. We've got a nice setup, but we don't have cameras. And you know, I'm going to be completely honest with you. I'm not. And you're gonna laugh at this the way I say it, but I'm not totally upset that we don't have cameras. And it's not because I don't want to see if I have the chip. I prefer you being here. But I feel like in the, my limited experience, I've avoided things during the pandemic, like zoom, haven't done a lot of zooming. I think I might have done it. Maybe two, three times tops. We did a zoom birthday party for my son's third birthday in May. And I'll tell you, that was a nightmare. So, you know, I I the idea of dealing with that. And, and having a flow of conversation. If if you were on the screen and I was watching right now and you glitched out. I feel like I would I just completely just stopped talking. You know, I really I don't get it. I don't get it in me to to just you know, soldier on until you're back from your glitch brother chip. Fr. Chip Hines 3:14 Ah, well, thankfully, we don't have to worry about that then. Brian Swift 3:19 We're using antiquated technology of telephone. Fr. Chip Hines 3:21 Well, I don't even know if this is antiquated discord is that is that antiquated now? Oh, Brian Swift 3:29 I put it this way. I just heard about it when we decided to start doing these shows again. So as far as I'm concerned, it is cutting edge but it feels like feel it. Fr. Chip Hines 3:39 Yeah, it feels a little cutting edge. Brian Swift 3:41 It does. But it also feels a little old school. I wish we had I wish I had like a an old rotary dial in here. Fr. Chip Hines 3:49 That's really old school. Brian Swift 3:51 I I think one family member of mine still had a rotary operated telephone when I was really young. I think I played with it to make a few like a few calls. Just because it was like oh, that's weird. But yeah, I'm of the age father chip that I'm on the cusp of like a lot of significant technological like it was just one thing was just finishing and one thing was just starting I suppose everybody I suppose every generation can say that but I feel like I feel like there was more of it when I was like very young again going from like telephones like that and and modes of music of stuff like that. But anyways, let me get back. Fr. Chip Hines 4:33 I don't know. I have to say before we switch off that I want to just say I grew up with rotary telephones until we got a push button phone and that was a big deal. Getting a push button phone. Then we went to those phones that you could carry around those cell phones. Brian Swift 4:53 What what like a wireless Yeah, the wireless but the wireless connected to your landline. Fr. Chip Hines 4:58 Exactly, not so Phone. And then I remember when my dad got his first cell phone it was in a bag. Brian Swift 5:04 Yeah. And they called it a car phone. They didn't call us on our phone. Fr. Chip Hines 5:08 Yes, exactly. I've seen a lot of changes in the telephone industry. Now, one of the things I do know about this discord thing in this, we're not doing this at this moment, but in the future we could conceivably offer. Well, if we're going to continue to do it this way, we could actually offer chat to people too. There's, there's chats that you can offer and things like that. So Brian Swift 5:38 I only want to do it this way for as long as we have to do it this way. Fr. Chip Hines 5:42 I agree. But the the the Brian Swift 5:45 we could, or you could use the chat feature, even if you're both in Fr. Chip Hines 5:49 the room. Exactly. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. And it might be an interesting way to interact with people who, like the podcast, and like Greg Slee, and all that stuff. So it's good to be back, though talking to you talk to you more in the last couple of weeks than I have in probably six months. So no, it's a good thing. Brian Swift 6:12 So here at catholictv, you know, we, we really put the shutdown on at the beginning, from probably from like the beginning of March, until the end of June, July, we started bringing people slowly back. We're still like, limiting, like, everything's limited. For the sake of safety, I think rightly so. You know, because as you know, from from shooting your TV show here for so long and doing the daily mass, under normal circumstances, any given day here at the studio can be a real hustle bustle of people in and out. different departments have different contractors and consultants coming in. And then priests come in. And when they do the live mass, one of the one of the great things that we had was a certain priest, depending on how close they were, would bring in a congregation and we get to know these people, but we can't have that anymore. So I'm looking forward to that coming back. I haven't asked you I feel rude from a trip. How have you been? How is the pandemic been treating you? Fr. Chip Hines 7:12 Well, it's been interesting, you know, I mean, at first, it was just kind of, you know, a little boring and, and a little weird, not knowing what was gonna happen. And then, but as it moved on, you know, kind of, well, it became frustrating. And then then they, they let us open up a little bit. And I stress a little bit, because we can only, I think still have only 40% of capacity in the church. And so that's not a lot of it's not as many as we would normally have gotten on a normal weekend. And there are other restrictions that kind of limit how many masses we can have, because of, you know, volunteers that we need to have a shirt and stuff like that. Yeah, so all that stuff is is is complicated. And so masses complicated, plus the signup thing where we have, you know, we're using something called signup genius to allow folks to sign up for mass on the weekend so that we can contact trace in case somebody does get sick. Sure. And, you know, and that has been a lot of extra work for me administratively to do that. And, you know, and it's something that I wish that I could pass off to somebody, but I can't right now. And it's just it's but it's so it's, it's a little bit frustrating. So Brian Swift 8:37 you kind of answered the question I was gonna ask in the back question was because of the lowered capacity if as your parish or is or is there other parishes that you know, of that have taken the tact of adding more masses. So that, okay, we can't get everybody in on Sunday, but we will get our normal crowd dispersed throughout the week. Fr. Chip Hines 8:59 I haven't heard too many of that going on, but I have heard of other parishes, just who have gone back to their normal schedule. Now. That being said, I don't know if they're doing everything that we're doing. Because we have ushers at every mass, we have, you know that we have the contact tracing process. You know, yeah, the reservations, all the different rules that go into it. We're doing and I've heard, I know when I will not name names, of course, but I've heard other places that are not doing some of those things. And so they're, they're more wide open than we are. And, you know, people travel around and they know and it becomes very frustrating for them and frustrating for me because they keep telling me about it. And and I'm just trying to keep everybody safe. Oh, absolutely. I Brian Swift 9:49 mean, as my job as a parent as a parish priest. Yeah, you know that most of the people who are coming in on a on a regular basis are the most vulnerable population? And Fr. Chip Hines 10:03 a lot of them are Yes, Brian Swift 10:04 in the last thing I agree with the church's stance thus far in, at least in the state of Massachusetts, but you don't want your church to be associated with the term super spreader? Fr. Chip Hines 10:18 No, no, you do not. Brian Swift 10:20 And it's not just a PR. It's not just a PR thing. It's it's for the good of the congregation and the good of the community. Fr. Chip Hines 10:25 Right. I mean, I'm worried about that. Brian Swift 10:28 I've been making the suggestion to some of the priests have been coming in here. And I haven't heard back from the Vatican yet. My letters have apparently not been received, but I suggested adding there should be added a new sacrament. The Holy Oh, the Holy Sacrament of sanitisation. Fr. Chip Hines 10:46 Well, now, it's just it's just moved into a part of the of the rite now I have before I distribute communion. I have the rite of you know, disinfecting my hands. Brian Swift 10:59 Yeah. Rite. Fr. Chip Hines 11:02 Yes, I have the right of disinfection that I do that right before I distribute communion. And I put on my mask. And in the whole nine yards. It's it's a, I think, amazing. Brian Swift 11:12 I think you'd be shocked at the rigorous routine that we've worked ourselves into here at the end of every mass, the chapel, and you know, the chapel, I mean, and yeah, there's even an even in a chapel even and not a huge church. Even in a small space, there's so many surfaces to clean. But we are, we get them every time. And sometimes I feel a little bad. I take the mic, I'll take a mic off a priest that did the math. And I'll immediately have a Clorox wipe. And I'll kind of wipe down the mic head and the wire and blah, blah, blah. And I hate sometimes I feel like I have to look at them be like, I don't assume that you're sick. Right? I just want you to know that we're doing this to the priests before you and the priest before him, and so on and so forth. So we just want to make sure you know, but there's still I mean, there's, I'm having a hard time completely breaking normal politeness actions. Like, I was walking through my neighborhood the other day, and there was someone moving in. And they were in, they were actively moving in. But they had a young boy, who was running around, I was walking my son and, and they kind of you know, engaged a little bit and the boy's mother came out of the house. And again, they're they're, they're bringing furniture in and out or mostly in, right. And she just comes over she's like, Oh, hi, my name is so and so this is my son so and so what's your son's name? And then she just reached out her hand and i and i just completely forgot her pandemic. I shook her hand. And then like the second I shook your hand, I'm just like, well, I can't use this hand for anything until the end of the walk. And get some sanitizers. So, you know, it's like, I don't, I don't assume that you're sick. But these are the things that we got to think about on every little interaction. It's not fun. Fr. Chip Hines 12:58 I just have this image of you now walking with your hand kind of held out to the side. Oh, like looking back to your house. Okay, don't touch me. Brian Swift 13:10 Don't touch my finger separated as far as they can go. Fr. Chip Hines 13:14 Yeah, no, I, I find that the the niceties are hard to stop. And I generally don't have a problem with that I try my best to just live as normally as I can. And if someone reaches out to shake my hand, and I'll shake it, um, and I do it mostly instinctively, anyway, but I just don't feel comfortable losing the human. You know, normal human interaction. I mean, I do. I don't initiate it, but I will. I will. I Brian Swift 13:51 won't shut up. Fr. Chip Hines 13:53 I won't shut it. Yeah, and you know that I'll be honest with you. The problem I have most during this pandemic so far is Brian Swift 14:02 going out to my car and realizing I forgot my mask or getting out of your car and going somewhere and realizing that you left the mask in the car. Fr. Chip Hines 14:13 Yeah, I haven't really done that. But I you know, I can see doing that if especially being a distracted parent. I could probably see doing that. But I I just walk down the stairs to the garage, get in the car and go oh, man, and then walk back up the stairs. Brian Swift 14:32 Getting my mask. Now let me ask you this. Do you wear your mask in your car when you're alone? Fr. Chip Hines 14:40 Oh, no, Brian Swift 14:41 I don't understand those people. Fr. Chip Hines 14:43 That's that's that's craziness. There's no point to it. Brian Swift 14:46 My your breath unless you're sharing a car but if you're sharing a car, usually sharing it with somebody who you're sharing a living space with. So usually Yes, the same thing. But you know, I mean, I Fr. Chip Hines 14:57 I wrote to the cemetery the other day with the funeral. Rector and both of us wore masks. We don't you know, I mean, that was just I think common courtesy. Sure. But if I'm alone in my own car, the way I'm not wearing a mask, and I see that all the time I see it everywhere I go, I see people all by themselves in their car by themselves just wearing a mask. And I laugh because it doesn't make any sense, right? Brian Swift 15:21 You know, when and but then there's the other like mask. There's Matt. It's kind of like, it's kind of like an episode of Seinfeld, or Curb Your Enthusiasm, where it's like, yeah, mask etiquette, right. So like, when I go for a walk, you know, they generally say that, when you're outside, you're pretty safe. Like the Yes, you have to be very, extremely close, prolong circumstance for you to get sick from anybody when you're outside. Because the air is constantly moving and enjoy gravity would move particulate matter out of the way. I mean, it's comforting. But anyways, if you're going for, like, if I'm going for a walk, like out at lunch, or something I'll have I'll have my mask hanging around my ear. And I see us and I see someone coming. And I feel the need to slip the mask on before they can notice me doing it. Because there's, again, there's this, there's this thing inside of me that just assumes that if they see me put the mask on, when I'm approaching them, it means that I think that they are unclean. And like, Oh, you mean I can't I can't avoid that, you know, extra bad. I mean, the easy thing would just be to keep the mask on all the time. But that's not easy. Because here's, here's what I was gonna say about, you said for getting your mask. Well, there was one day where I kept it on, I think we had a lot of production going on. And I kept it on all day. We're busy all day, I kept them on all day, you forget that you're wearing the mask like it just because if you weren't long enough, it just feels like this is how my face feels. And I went in, I went into a burrito shop to get some dinner for my family. And I think I took the mask off in the car and forgot about it. Everybody in that place was looking at me weird. And it didn't strike almost all the way home. And then for like, yeah, for like a day later. I'm just like, Wait a second. When did I take off the mask that I take? No, did I take it off? When I got back in the car? It was it was just very weird. But anyways, to bring it back to the movies, the conversation that we I was actually thinking about a scene in a movie that addresses one of these things that we're talking about. I believe you saw The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo the American version with Daniel Craig. I didn't see that movie. Okay, well, spoiler alert. There's a scene at the end where Daniel Craig's investigative character believes he stumbled on to who the killer is, and looping around his house. And then the killer comes home. And he just gets out the back door. And he's just walking away in the killer notices and comes out on the porch is like, Hey, hey, what do you what are you doing? And then they Oh, well, I was just, I was just going to see you. But I'm kind of busy. I'm gonna, I gotta go. I'll talk to you later. And then I'll come in for a drink come in for a drink. And then he captures him. And he's just like, it's an extremely isn't it strange that you knew it was me. But politeness dictated that you come back in? Fr. Chip Hines 18:21 There you go. Brian Swift 18:22 Yeah. Fr. Chip Hines 18:23 So you go. Brian Swift 18:24 But Fr. Chip Hines 18:25 tell me a lightness. Brian Swift 18:26 Let me ask the first question of the limited stuff you've been able to see movie wise. Has there been anything that you've really enjoyed in the month since we've been away? Fr. Chip Hines 18:36 I really enjoyed Greyhound. Oh, yeah. I thought that was excellent. with Tom Hanks, the war movie. I enjoyed that very much. Now, that was a few months ago, Brian Swift 18:48 that was July that they let that out. I think July 5 on Apple TV plus, Fr. Chip Hines 18:53 yes, Apple TV plus. That's right. And I did enjoy it. I thought that, you know, I just thought it was a good movie. It was a good war movie. And, and Hanks is you know, Hanks, he's Brian Swift 19:05 but the attention to detail. Right? I mean, going into it. I thought that that was gonna be one, the kind of war movie that I don't like, which is just kind of almost a procedural. And it wasn't. I mean, it had procedural it had procedural elements, but it had like, really good character. Do that. But then there's also an actor in that by the name of Stephen Graham, who I've seen a movie since the late 90s. And he's a great character actor. So that so yeah, that one? Yes. Fr. Chip Hines 19:33 No, he's very good. He's an excellent actor. Actually, Graham. I like him. And he was good. This. I mean, Hanks was good. They were all good. There wasn't a really bad performance in that whole movie. First, I could tell. Yeah. And I watched it. I actually did watch it with one of the priests that lives here with me, so I didn't actually watch it alone, which is good. Yeah. And, you know, so I got we got to watch it and have that kind of You know, not a huge crowd, but at least there was some interaction afterwards when it was over, we talked about it. And so that was nice. And, and honestly, most of the stuff I've been watching, it has been, you know, television series or, you know, you know, whatever is something streaming on, on something, whatever it is. You know, I've got too many streaming services that I pay for. I'm gonna have to cut back on those. Brian Swift 20:25 What do you what do you currently What are you currently subscribed to? Oh, gosh, I have you got Apple TV plus, because Fr. Chip Hines 20:34 maybe the Apple TV plus Yeah, Brian Swift 20:36 the listeners might not know this, but you are an apple enthusiast. You Oh, yes. Fr. Chip Hines 20:44 I am an apple enthusiast. I have Apple everything Apple TV. I have a note. You know, MacBook and I have an iPhone. I have an iPad. Brian Swift 20:54 I you know, but not only Apple Watch, but not only that you regularly upgrade your phone. You want you want the relatively you like you want the relatively latest and greatest. Fr. Chip Hines 21:06 Yes, I just recently within the last year upgraded to the 11 Pro max. Okay, iPhone. And I love it. I love it. It's a great phone. And then of course, the 12 comes out this year. So it was like very frustrating. But that's okay. I don't I don't actually do I I'll be honest with you. I usually let a couple of iterations go I don't you know, I don't Brian Swift 21:31 you don't do it. You don't go. Fr. Chip Hines 21:33 I don't go year to year and get a new phone. That's ridiculously expensive. Brian Swift 21:37 I mean, you used to do it because the cell phone companies used to subsidize the cost. But they really weren't subsidizing the cost. As soon as they stopped, quote, unquote, subsidizing the cost of the phone. Your monthly bill went down, but you just had to pay full price for the phone. Fr. Chip Hines 21:51 Right. But I will say this I think with would however they're doing it now is far different than the way they were doing it before. And I think the phones are more expensive now too. So it there's a lot of pass through class to the phone to the consumer. So it makes it a little bit more difficult to turn it in. But when I got the 11 when I got my 11 Pro Max, it was I got it the month after I finished paying off my tech my 10 right. Brian Swift 22:26 Private fiber chip. I'm still running on a six. Fr. Chip Hines 22:30 Oh my gosh, Brian Swift 22:31 I love it even a lot even sir. Baba said, Well, I dropped it in the toilet during the pandemic, but somehow got it going again. It kind of still. Fr. Chip Hines 22:42 Does it still like does it take? It doesn't take all the apps does it? Yeah. Come on. Yeah. What what what operating system? Are Brian Swift 22:51 you using whatever the most recent one is? That's on seriously, it's set to automatically upgrade. Fr. Chip Hines 22:57 And, and nothing runs slow or not. But I know that's the See, that's the problem I run into is I'll be on my phone and it'll get frustrating because it'll start to run slow. And usually that's when I start to itch for the new phone because I'm like, Well, obviously I need more memory or I need a faster chipper I need you know, I there's something that I need. That clearly is not happening in this phone. And, uh, but well, more power to you, Brian. I mean, if you can get by with a six, I don't know. All Brian Swift 23:30 I'm saying is if you upgrade to the 12 I challenge you to stick with that 12 for six or seven years. Fr. Chip Hines 23:37 I'm not upgrading to the 12 I just got the 11 This is it. You just use it for like five years. I Brian Swift 23:43 want you to keep that 11 until 2030 Fr. Chip Hines 23:46 Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Brian Swift 23:48 Alright, but you know that we got off on a tangent. So you get your Apple TV. So anyway, I Fr. Chip Hines 23:52 mean, Apple TV plus, I've got peacock, Netflix. I have amazon prime, HBO, Max. And Hulu. Brian Swift 24:07 Okay, yeah, we've got it. So my family and I probably shouldn't say this on the podcast, but no, my family in general, we decided we're going to do a little share. We're going to do a little cabal of sharing like, okay, you're gonna we're gonna pick up this service and then you can share in it and then we're gonna pick up this so so the service that I provide, everybody has their own Netflix and everybody has their own amazon prime because Fr. Chip Hines 24:29 Oh, I forgot one know, Disney plus Disney plus. Brian Swift 24:33 So I provide Disney plus my brother has got Hulu. My parents got the HBO max. So we okay amongst the three households we share. Fr. Chip Hines 24:42 That's good. Brian Swift 24:43 Yeah. So let me be not legal, but good. Oh, I think it is. I mean, when you get a subscription, you're allowed. It gives you the Okay, you know, this is how many though that's true. This is how many devices it's on and, and I don't think it's really okay. Well, we're, you know, like in my house. It's just Through the Disney plus however, however many devices my Disney plus subscription, we're only using two in my house. So let's just say that there's eight balling and I'm getting my I'm getting my full value. Fr. Chip Hines 25:13 Well, yeah, I don't know that there's eight. But yeah, you're you're probably doing okay. By this point, right. I mean, I wouldn't share it with seven other people, but Well, I'm Brian Swift 25:23 sharing it with two other households. Fr. Chip Hines 25:25 Yeah, that's all. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Brian Swift 25:28 And we're blood relation. So I mean, Fr. Chip Hines 25:31 there you go. There you go. Just hopefully that they don't listen to the show. Brian Swift 25:36 [laughs] They don't. Fr. Chip Hines 25:38 Yeah, probably not. One show I did get into on Apple. I think it's on Apple plus as well. Was Ted last. Yeah. Have you heard of that show? Brian Swift 25:49 I've seen it on the app. I you know, I really haven't gotten digging into Apple TV plus too much. on Apple TV. Plus, I saw Greyhound. I saw a documentary about the Beastie Boys, or it wasn't really documentary, The Living members of the living two members of the Beastie Boys, they went on tour and put on like a stage show. But they kind of told me a story is very entertaining. And, you know, they're very, you know, surprisingly interesting, guys. Most people, most people, when they think of the Beastie Boys, they think of, you know, fight for your right to party or this and that. And they grew up, they grew up and they they became, like retcon tours, they became, you know, very interesting, like they they really delved into like social matters, but also spiritual. The member who died Adam jacc, he really started traveling the world and like investigating spirituality, and like, you know, he he visited, he visited with the Dalai Lama. And it was it was just really interesting to see the truth about a group of a group of artists that you had a preconceived notion about it, but I'll tell you one thing that I am thoroughly happy with Apple TV plus with and this is because I have a kid but but you also but also because I enjoyed it. When I was a kid. They've got a kid series short, cartoon episodes, called Snoopy and space. Hmm, they're just really, really well done. I mean, clearly from the pet, I can say it's a series of kids like I think there's 12 cartoons. And it's about Snoopy wanting to be an astronaut and all the other peanuts characters are like, they go to NASA Space Camp and they get recruited in NASA Space Camp and Snoopy and Woodstock go to space. But they take you know, it's it's like, it's like kids television used to be that we're going to entertain you, but we're going to teach you the same time. Well, and then, and, yeah, my son, my son loves it. And I and I really enjoy watching it with him too. Like, it's not something that that's great. Yeah, so honestly, there's not a lot of that I gotta look hard for stuff that we can both just really get into. But maybe that's the way it's always supposed to be. Fr. Chip Hines 28:03 How old is jack now? Brian Swift 28:04 He's Three. Three. Okay, three. Yeah. Fr. Chip Hines 28:07 So he's kind of getting interested in TV shows and stuff. Brian Swift 28:10 Oh, God, he loves. He goes through phases of really loving stuff right now. So with the Disney Plus, he's loving the old Donald Duck cartoons. Fr. Chip Hines 28:23 No, I love those two. Brian Swift 28:24 Yeah, in just laughing and there's one there's since we're in, you know, Halloween season while we're doing this episode, they have a Donald Duck short called Trick or treat. Where if you could see my son, there is a scene in that cartoon where a which puts a spell on Donald Duck's feet and take control of his feet and make him run headfirst into a door to knock the door down. And my son when that when that scene starts coming, my son goes across the room. And then he runs at the nearest door stops before he gets to the door and then lightly takes his forehead and taps it against the door three times and then falls to the floor laughing. Fr. Chip Hines 29:07 He go. That's funny. Brian Swift 29:09 It's really funny. But yeah, so in but also he likes so there's a there's a Peanuts Movie that came out I think in 2017 and that's also in Disney plus, because Fox made it and Disney bought Fox. And Fr. Chip Hines 29:22 he right right. Brian Swift 29:23 He really he really connects with that. And I was surprised I liked it so much because it's 3d animation. And I didn't think they were going to get the essence of the Charles Schulz peanuts. But they did. They did. I mean, it's definitely different animation, but it feels it feels like it was you know, back in the 60s. So yeah, that's cool. Yeah. So cool. Fr. Chip Hines 29:49 Yeah, no, I yeah, that's great. I'm glad that he is, is resonating with some stuff and it's hard when they're little because you know sometimes their language skills or not Brian Swift 30:00 Oh, his were great. I will say this. He's He's smart as a whip. His vocabulary is excellent. For a while. favorite word was Eucalyptus. Fr. Chip Hines 30:11 Ha! Euc-alyp-tus. Brian Swift 30:13 Yeah, Idon't know why. But he heard it and he loved it. Oh, that's great. Well, let me ask you this for the ship. Have you had the opportunity? Or have you taken advantage of the opportunity to visit one of the dry local drive ins that have begin popping up again during the summer and into the fall? Fr. Chip Hines 30:34 You know, it's funny, I have not had that opportunity. And it's not from lack of wanting to do it or anything. I just think I I just didn't have the time, honestly, to do it. And I also see I live I live with some with another priest Who's he sort of, uh, he's compromised. He's very Brian Swift 31:01 Yeah, I mean, you know, it. Fr. Chip Hines 31:03 Yeah, he's immunocompromised. He's got stage four cancer. So I don't Audrey's typically, I don't typically go to many places now. Brian Swift 31:12 Yeah, I don't want to Fr. Chip Hines 31:14 take any out of courtesy. I don't want to take too many chances there. Um, so I go home to see my folks. And that's about it. Brian Swift 31:21 How are they doing? Fr. Chip Hines 31:23 Oh, they're doing great. Thanks. Thanks for asking. Yeah, yeah. How are your parents doing? Brian Swift 31:27 My parents are doing good. My parents are doing, they're missing out on their time with their grandson. Not so much me. But well, you know, Fr. Chip Hines 31:35 You know, that's right. Brian Swift 31:37 So that's the way it works. Yeah. So I mean, and that's, I think, unfortunately, that's gonna get harder as we go into the, the winter, specifically the holiday season, you know, we really got to know you got to work hard to come up with the I don't know the rules, the parameters for how to do things. I Fr. Chip Hines 31:54 think how Brian Swift 31:55 to do Christmas, Fr. Chip Hines 31:56 I think he I think you go man, I think you go keep it small, keep it small and just go. Brian Swift 32:01 Yeah, that's what we're thinking. We're thinking that we're thinking that we're going to keep it small, we're going to do masks indoors. But if it you know, every now and then yeah, every now and then you'll get a Thanksgiving that it's really nice outside and it's like, you know, if it's gonna be nice outside, maybe we can, maybe we can do dinner outside. And then for Christmas is like, Okay, well, we'll get together in the morning. And we'll do masks and, and, you know, but we will do presence. And we'll spend some time together. But we'll keep it to an hour and a half, two hours. And but right, but the point is making making the effort to you know, you can't you can't shut it down completely. Fr. Chip Hines 32:35 You just can't Yeah, you just can't I'm against that. 100% I just, you know, I think the world needs to the world needs to turn man and needs to keep doing what we're doing. And part of and honestly, I think this segues into something that I think is important to talk about is is the theaters, the theaters that are either disappearing, closing some of them completely. Yeah, and that's a that's going to be a big issue for those of us that like to go to the movies. So I haven't been to a movie since this thing started. So I you know, I do miss going I miss I miss the experience, I think it would have been great to see the that movie Greyhound on the big screen. You know, and then they keep pushing back all the movies that I do want to see like James Bond, the new James Bond and all that all the rest, you know, they just keep on pushing them and pushing them and pushing them. And I mean, it's gonna be 2022 before we get to see the new James Bond movie? Brian Swift 33:42 Well, I'll tell you, particularly from a business standpoint, I think that that's a good move. Fr. Chip Hines 33:50 It probably is Brian Swift 33:51 because one because you're going to need the time for people to get used to coming back. And right, I don't and this this speaks to the speaks that a larger point you're talking about of the health of the theaters, I don't think that the theatrical distribution of movies is going to go away in its entirety. And it's because it's too sweet of a plum of the entire business picture of the film industry. It's, you know, those ticket sales. They're just it's it's too It's too lucrative. And, you know, you can sell the movie to a streaming service, but you're only going to get so much because the streaming service, it's, you know, like, like I just said, Okay, I'm getting, you know, these Disney shows, I mean, I even got a discount on my Disney plus membership because I signed up early, and I signed up for three year package. So I'm paying, I'm paying like 450 a month, for three years. That's great, where it's like $7. So I mean, so it's, it's, it's not it's not a crippling amount of money that I'd be paying more but I took advantage of a deal that they were running. But anyways, so for my 450 a month if when They put on onward, the Pixar movie in in March. Yeah, we watched onward we watched it a lot the three of us, that's, let's just say you want to be generous and say, I'm going to be very generous to the theaters and say you can get $10 tickets, which that isn't the case. But just for a nice round number. At $10 a ticket me my wife, and my son would have gone to see onward there's $30, but now they're only getting 450 from me. And I can watch it as many times as I want. I mean, it's it's not a long term, yes, they're getting a monthly subscription. That's why subscription services are being heavily emphasized. Because it's guaranteed 12 months a year, money into the pockets of the corporation, as opposed to putting out in the theater and like hoping, because they can never really be certain what's going to hit with the public. So it is so it is a risk. But when it does hit the reward is just so huge. So I guess my point is, so this, so with, with onward, just onward alone for my household, they lost out on 23 $23 and 50 cents times times. If my parents watched it times, if my bride watched it, you know, those tails are getting so it's like they got a great they got a great streaming service. But the geeky can't do so I think in some form or fashion, but that being the case, the theater is going to survive. I don't know how that's gonna look because I mean, you're you're a frequent or have a regal cinema. Correct, like regal is the most Fr. Chip Hines 36:40 showcase showcase. Okay, yeah. Brian Swift 36:43 So the showcase, I know, the showcase in revere, which is the closest showcase to me, went out of business. Now. I think we saw this. I don't know if they went out of business, or if the landlord who owns the land sold the land. So they were forced out of business, right. I don't know the full story. But there The point is, that's a huge movie theater. And it's gone. It was big. Fr. Chip Hines 37:04 Yeah, Brian Swift 37:05 I think they had I mean, I think they might have had 25 screens in that theater. Fr. Chip Hines 37:10 I think you're right, I think it was it was the biggest one around as far as I can tell. And I'll be honest with you, I use that theater sometimes. Because sometimes, you know, when we were especially when we were doing the movie show, yeah. And we need to, you know, you need to see something before you tape the show. Are you trying to see something before you tape the show? In some cases, some cases, I didn't get to see something before you take the show. But the so you're rushing around trying to find that are looking for the best time. You know, that gives you the most time to see it, and then formulate a thought on it. And I'll be honest with you, sometimes I had I drove up to review because they had the best time. Brian Swift 37:53 Oh, and not only that, like, like they they are they were very smart. They offered like a lot of interesting times. Like I'm for years, I noticed like at my EMI AMC, which is my closest local theater. They didn't pay anything. Nothing started in the eight o'clock hour at night. Yeah, it was like 715 730 and then 945. Fr. Chip Hines 38:15 Right? Brian Swift 38:16 And say, Well, you know, that doesn't really, that doesn't really work. You know, especially if you're going to see something that's going to be two hours long. You know, that, Fr. Chip Hines 38:28 the less the things that you bring up. Brian Swift 38:31 Go sorry. That's right. But they bring up I'm 37 the days of me going to a 945 Avengers end game movie that's gonna, you know, last two and a half hours plus a half an hour. It's like I like I'm not I'm not one of these people who are a long runtime isn't going to chase me away. If I'm interested in the film, but if the most if the most convenient time is 945 it's just like I don't want to pay the money and risk nodding off. Right? Fr. Chip Hines 39:04 Right. And I think I think the movie theaters are gonna have to, you know, when they come back to full strength, they're gonna have to look at their model and see if if showing the movies at seven and nine or 10 is is something that is going to get people to come. They got to get people to come to the theater, and I think they do have to provide a little bit more of a time that is is compatible to someone's life. Someone who's working like an eight o'clock math, eight o'clock mass and eight o'clock movie. Is is a good time. You know if you're, if you don't have anything going on the next day maybe or you know, or at least it's at eight o'clock. You say it's over 10 o'clock. That's a little bit better than say going in at 930 and not getting out of there till almost midnight. There's a big difference. Brian Swift 39:56 Let me let me extrapolate on why you need a clock showing is is important for me, so it wasn't such a huge deal. Until I had until I had a kid. Once I had a kid, it was okay. Well, it's, it's important to us, as parents to be there to put our son to bed. That's just something that we've made priority. So we put them down at about 730. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes we get him to bed a little bit earlier, he was pretty consistent. But before the pandemic, we could get my parents to come over and just be they like, you know, he was asleep. So they weren't babysitting, but they were there to make sure everything was fine. Or my wife's on one of my wife's ons, or, you know, her mother, or just, you know, we had options. And, you know, so it's like, we could we could, you know, go out, we could have a night where we went out, you know, got something to eat in the movie. But then, you know, you'd look at the runtimes be like, oh, nine o'clock, that means my parents are gonna be stuck here until not 1130 at the latest, I got to go to work tomorrow, you know, it's like, it just it throws the whole equation off. But a clock is a nice, juicy, it's, it's, it's not too early, it's not too late. Fr. Chip Hines 41:08 Right? Exactly. And, and they if people, people want to get something to eat, they can get something to eat, go to the movie, and then you know, they're done. And then if you want to have a movie early, you go, maybe they have to switch the time to six o'clock, they could do a six o'clock, showing an eight o'clock showing, and then a 10 o'clock showing for the late got late people. You know, I mean, oh, guess ways around it. Yeah. And, and they could do it, for sure. That would make it so that everybody would be happy. But they're gonna have to look at their business models, and say, you know, what are we going to do? What can we offer to people? that is unique to us? You know, besides saying, you know, I saw it in the theater besides he, besides the giant screen, you know, is there something else that we can offer that you can't do at home? Brian Swift 41:59 Well, off the off the top, I have thought about this fiber? Chip, it's interesting, you bring that question up, I have thought about if off the top of my head, I've thought of three things that it's like, Okay, this is something that they're going to have to do when they want to reopen in because the the purpose for this will be not only is it safe to come, but there's still going to be people who just like are going to take their time before they venture out. It's going to be a slow transition process. Back to your regular activity. But one cleanliness, I think we talked about this. Oh, yeah, right now, you know, with the theaters that are open right now, like I, you know, the types of people who work at the theater, the teenagers who the teenagers who work at the theater, and I don't mean that everybody who works at the theater as a teenager, but the people whose job it is to clean the theater and keep the concession stand, you know, in proper running order, meaning clean, like, Do you trust? Like, do you trust those under normal circumstances? They couldn't effectively sweep and get all the popcorn off in a theater behind showings. I don't expect them to be able to get that done. Plus a general sanitizing of the seats in the armrests and the in the handrails. And yeah, yep. And you know, if it's, you know, especially, you know, if you got a nice theater that's got the reclining seats that you put, like, you know, someone's got, someone's got to wipe those buttons. And so they've got a one they've to get to get me back, they've got to convince me that they're taking that seriously. The other thing that they can do is they can just look at all the ways that they can make the theater experience better. And some of that is this may sound strange would make it better, but more regulation. I, if I'm going back to the theater, and I'm taking what I deemed to be a risk in the beginning. Make sure that people have cell phone, like putting like strict cell phone rules, the the the public service ads, the beginning of the screenings, you know, telling you to turn your phone off, it's not effective, people are still texting like I you know, I've been sitting next to people and they don't dim their screens. And there's some people like if, if I've ever looked at my phone, in a theater, I've gone to extremes. I like if there's somebody if there's if the phone's ringing, and it's like, oh, this might be important. Like or if I get a text, I like stick it under my shirt and put my face in my shirt. I mean, I don't want any man, I don't want anybody to see that like cuz No, cuz that's, that's how much I care about my like, every time that bright light shines in your face, you take your eyes off the screen, and then you take your focus off. And then even if it's for a split second, you got to go back in to some extent, you'd be like, Okay, well, what's going on with this conversation? How is this mode? You know, I mean, you got to reconnect the dots that you were totally immersed in. And I just don't think it's fair to to, to an audience. And then the other thing Yeah, And then the other thing I think they could do, or some theaters could do is if they could do the concessions, well, like one thing he talked about going out and grabbing some eat, if you could do if you just could make that make that a priority, and it's like, you know, I can go to the theater, I could stop at a restaurant, or I could make myself something. You know, there's a step between dinner in the movie. But But if, even if the theaters had like, good sandwiches in right, that you could count on, like, improve the food improve the food, right? Just Just Yeah, because Okay, like just we're taking the time or going out to the theater we're patronizing your business and we're going to spend for but just you know, if you gave us a better option, I can't tell you the last time I bought anything besides candy, popcorn or soda? I don't know that in the last five years I've done that. Really? I don't buy I don't buy anything hot there. I just don't trust it. Fr. Chip Hines 45:59 Hmm well the showcase that I go to leggings Lacy place they have you know, they typically if you can if you go to the upper level there they have private charity have which who's kidding? Brian Swift 46:14 Yeah, you never go anywhere but the upper level. Let's let's be fair. Fr. Chip Hines 46:18 No, no, no, no, that's not true. That is not true. You love though I do you love I love love. I love the upper level. What do they call that? But Lux love Lex level. That's it. Yeah, I love the Lux level. Don't get me wrong. But there are times when a movie is showing that we I want to see or need to see that is not in Lux level theater. So you go, I just go. But I do like Lux level because I go to matinees. And, you know, I Unknown Speaker 46:48 [talks over each other] Fr. Chip Hines 46:51 Yeah, and I you know, you were talking about that cell phone issue. And I was like, I can't tell you the last time I saw someone use the cell phone in the in the in the theater. Because if I'm there at the movies at a matinee, I'm either with my my buddy DOM, or there's, you know, maybe some old people and you know, like, retired people. And Brian Swift 47:16 is this the DOM? Is this the DOM that you do your other podcast with? Fr. Chip Hines 47:20 Yes, well, why Brian Swift 47:21 don't Yeah, I'd like to take some time out of our out of our valuable airtime. And I'd like you to plug this other podcast, just take as much time as you need. Fr. Chip Hines 47:31 Really? You think so? Brian Swift 47:32 I think so. Fr. Chip Hines 47:34 Well, it we do a show called coffee and cinema. And it's, it's, it's, we go to the movies. And we immediately after we get coffee, and we do a quick, maybe 30 minute podcast about the show. We do non spoilers, and then we do spoilers. And we do our spot annal analyzing of the movie, like what do we just immediately think? So you know how, like when you're coming out of the theater, and you're talking to your wife, and you're saying, Oh, I love that scene where I did this? And Brian Swift 48:13 then what capturing the immediacy? Fr. Chip Hines 48:16 Yes, we capture the immediacy, we do it live to tape in the car, in the car if we can't find a place, you know, because we tried taping it at the coffee place. And the ambient sound was too loud. And so that was no good. Brian Swift 48:34 Yeah, we have a bad time. baristas don't care about your podcast. Fr. Chip Hines 48:38 No, they don't. And and neither do other patrons for that matter, but rightly so. We so we typically get the coffees go to the car and we record it in the car and then and then he does his magic and puts it out. We are on a network that I'm on the board of directors for it's called esque UPN esque UPN you can you can clip in Google search that and it'll come up. And there's a whole bunch of other shows on there too. It's It's where the tagline is sort of like for the network is where where does it where like where pop culture meets real life or something like that. And we talk about we talk about issues of faith. It is a Catholic organization. You know, it's not a church run organization, but everybody that's in it is Catholic basically. And so we we do look at things from a Catholic perspective. But there's other shows there's a in I don't know why they started naming the shows secrets of but they did so there's our show runs under the general overall banner of secrets of movies and television. And then there's a secrets of Doctor Who there's a secrets of Star Trek there's Yeah, there's a secrets of Star Wars. There's a secret you know, so Brian Swift 49:59 yeah. Sounds like a very exclusive group. Fr. Chip Hines 50:03 Wow, let's Brian Swift 50:04 let me the type the title would suggest I mean, do you have like, you know, to do you have like, you know, code names and secret passwords? And no, okay. Well, Fr. Chip Hines 50:14 we we do not but I, I don't know why they named it that way. Brian Swift 50:19 Oh, you know when this different con people love continuity. Fr. Chip Hines 50:24 They do Brian Swift 50:24 but I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this. But while it's still fresh in my mind, if you're talking and let's just say for the sake of argument, you're talking about a Starbucks as the coffee place. I want to tell you, you can get away with a lot at Starbucks before anybody gets really annoyed at the Starbucks and beverage at the Starbucks in Beverly, Massachusetts on Route one a. I'm not a coffee drinker, but every now and then specifically in the winter, when you want to go someplace before the pandemic, we we would go to that Starbucks. And there was a man on Sundays who would post up in the corner all day, he take a tall table. He always wore a top hat and a T shirt with like, wolves or Eagles on it. And he brought he brought out his music. But yeah, but he had like a stereo setup, but he had ear buds and so you couldn't hear the music, the word sunglasses, and he had like, crystals and statues. And he had his and he was doing art. He had a sketch pad out. And he had all these different colored pens. And they were I mean, he basically made the corner of Starbucks, his little art studio, like really amazing. And he would whatever music he was listening to. He would you can't see me doing it. But he be doing these like hand dances. Like his he doing this thing with his fingers. He licked the tips of his pens very like. And I'll tell you what, everybody I mean that Starbucks is packed. Everybody was just like want. But nobody stopped. Fr. Chip Hines 51:53 Yeah. Brian Swift 51:54 you can do whatever. You know what you can do your podcast and you would be less at Starbucks. You'd be less weird than that guy. Fr. Chip Hines 52:03 Yeah, that's a very weird experience you're talking about right there. Yeah. Oh, I am I Brian Swift 52:09 thoroughly recommend you going to that as Saturday morning. I think he I think it might be Saturday mornings. I said Sunday, but I think it might be Saturdays. If you if you just want to see you can drive up to Beverly Hills drive up to Beverly and see a little slice of humanity that you I know I can I can pinpoint it for you. Fr. Chip Hines 52:32 There you go. We, um, we tried. We did it in a cafe Nero. Brian Swift 52:38 Oh, yeah. Across the street from me. Fr. Chip Hines 52:41 Yeah, there's one in this legacy mall there. And so anyway, we were there. And we sat out, they have a main section. And then they have a section that's kind of like outside quote, unquote, even though it's still inside. And it has all outside furniture and everything. So we sat there and we set up in a corner. But the problem was people kept on obviously walking in and out because they're going to the cafe Nero. But the music that they would play over the sound system was too loud, it was just so loud, you just hear the music. And you'd be like, Okay, this is annoying. And we tried. I mean, we did try to do it. But it was just it wasn't, it wasn't good quality stuff. So that's what I but what I like about that particular podcast, and we don't get to do it right now because of pandemic. But what I like about that podcast is the immediacy of the reflection. Because you know yourself, you will see a movie, you talk about you, you would talk about it with your wife, and you go home, and then you know, maybe a day or two later, you'd be like, Oh, I don't remember what was that scene with the guy was the guy doing that scene? And Unknown Speaker 53:58 why did I like not? Fr. Chip Hines 53:59 You're trying? Yeah, what was that? What do I like about that? You know, you see you're trying to remember it and it just it's a different remembering when you when you get it right out of the movie. You you remember the stuff you remember it? And I like that of that podcast. I I think that's what I liked about the idea. Brian Swift 54:17 I think that phenomena is absolutely true. But it makes the times where a movie sticks with me for days and weeks, that much more impactful. Like there's been, there's been movies I've seen in there not my like very few times that they my favorite movies of the year or, but there are many, they'll see that it's like, okay, you walk out and you're like, oh, that was pretty good. I mean, it was it was pretty good. And then three or four days later you find yourself thinking about I don't know scenes or issues that are brought up are the themes and just kind of like that, then that that's really impactful. Like I'm still it affected me to the point where I'm still thinking about it. I want to ask you, I guess seen some stuff and I want to ask you if you've seen it in if you have But you thought about it but um I went to the drive in so from for my mother's birthday every year because I'm trying to do experiences as opposed to physical gifts because I'm hard to buy for. She's hard to buy for. But so anyways, we took took it to the drive in theater that they built at the Topsfield fairgrounds in Massachusetts. And we saw and we saw the Invisible Man, which is right now, streaming. Yeah, if you're Max, I don't know if you've seen the Invisible Man. Fr. Chip Hines 55:34 I haven't seen it. I you know, you know me in scary movies. I'm not a big scary movie guy. Brian Swift 55:40 Here's the thing about Dan version of the Invisible Man, though, yes, I would definitely be considered a horror movie. But it's more. It's more of a thriller. It's more of a social commentary. Essentially, what they've done is they've taken the Invisible Man and using it as tropes for and using it as a vehicle to tell a story about abusive relationships. Fr. Chip Hines 56:00 Right. Brian Swift 56:02 And really, really effectively if you if you get the time in Elisabeth moss, isn't it? Fr. Chip Hines 56:07 And I do like her. Brian Swift 56:08 Yeah. She's, she's got this. You know, she reminds me a little bit of Drew Barrymore in that in the right lighting with the right haircut, she's stunningly beautiful. But she can, but they can also make her be very homely. And I think that's true. I think that really, really helps her characters. Yeah, I think, you know, it's it's a rare actress where, because, you know, the way that they choose that it's all especially actresses, it's all about, you know, and leading actresses even more so. But it's all about looks and weights and all this stuff. And I feel like you know, you've got something, you know, you what, what can you put Nicole Kidman in that people aren't going to be like, Oh, wow. Like, that's a really tall, statuesque. Like, it's the same, it's the same problem that the rock has. You can't take the rock and stick him into, you know, some sort of period drama because all The Importance of Being Earnest. Like, who is it? Like we can't, we can't take this giant seriously. Right, you know, right. So so Fr. Chip Hines 57:19 I know, I know, I know what you're saying. Yeah. That there's different definitely different acting styles. And when I mean, I think of Brian Swift 57:27 not to say no, not to say that Nicole Kidman is not a good actress. I think she's done some really interesting stuff. In the last few years of actress that's the first thing that came to mind. Fr. Chip Hines 57:36 Well, I was thinking, when you started talking about this, Nicole Kidman moss, I started thinking of Meryl Streep, because there are movies and there are times where I've seen Meryl Streep where she looks terrible. And then I see a picture of her and I'm like, that's Meryl Streep. And she looks gorgeous. And you're like, how does that happen? Now this is more, you know, more so when she was younger, but still, she could be in a movie and be as homely as the day as long and then at the premiere for the movie, she would look, you know, stunning. Brian Swift 58:10 Yeah, and the thing is, is same woman and the thing is, it's not it's not all makeup. Like, yes, makeup. Makeup does a lot of work, but it's not it's it's their facial structure and what they're willing to like, right? You know, it's, it's, you know, it's the ability to have, you know, like, like, sometimes expressive eyes can be not attractive, you know, expressive eyes aren't always perfectly symmetrical and the way that we view and the way that we view beauty, you know, symmetry equals beauty. But, so anyways, Elisabeth moss great. Did you see onward Did you we already talked about but did you watch onward on Disney Plus, Fr. Chip Hines 58:46 I didn't watch onward, because I didn't have much of an interest in it. Brian Swift 58:49 You should check it out. It is different from a Disney perspective. And that it's about it's it's complex. I mean, it's not that Pixar movies aren't complex, but it's about these teenage boys in their relationship with their father who died when they were young. Fr. Chip Hines 59:07 Yeah, I saw that I saw previews for it and stuff. And I, and I, you know, I was kind of interested in it. But the problem I had the summer was very little excited me, and to watch to be honest with you. And so and because I, you know, the pandemic, and this is gonna sound you know, okay, crazy for a guy who deals with pop culture all the time. But I read more this summer than I did watch movies. I was reading, I was reading like, all the time, and I was, and I was listening to podcasts. And, you know, because at the beginning of the pandemic, all I did was watch TV. Yeah, and at some point, at some point, a little switch went off in my head and said, okay, your brain is gonna be a month. pie, if you continue to just sit in front of the TV for eight hours, and you can't do this every day for weeks, Brian Swift 1:00:09 you just can't and then the other and the other thing about I mean, not that not that we're gonna turn this into a book club podcast, but you could take a book with you. It's like, that's one thing, right? I can't, I, I've never been the type of person who, like sits down on my own couch or my own chair, at least in my own bed and pulls out a book and start reading. I can't do it. But I, if I say to myself, okay, I'm going to take this book, I'm going to go on a walk to the local park, I'm gonna sit on a bench, or I'm going to land or a tree or what have you. I'm going to go to the beach, or I'm going to do this, I'm going to go here, there. Even if I drive to a place and sit in my car, I'm more likely to get some reading done. So but but there's something about that. It's like this is an activity. That's not homebound. I don't know, there's something I guess it's my brain is doing a trick to be like, Oh, no, you're doing stuff. It's the same thing with like, I don't, I don't just sit and listen to music I need to be I love music. But I listen to music sometimes when I'm driving, but like mowing the lawn, I want to listen to some music, going on a walk, you know, doing the dishes, put on some music, that's when I that's when I'm gonna get some Fr. Chip Hines 1:01:16 write. Some lets you know when I when I like listening to music in the car myself too. But I can sit, read a book and listen to some music to you know, listening to music, for me doesn't have to be an active thing. It can be more of a passive thing. However, one of the things one of the things I did no notice was that with podcasts, sometimes I can't just sit and watch and listen to a podcast like sometimes I can. But a lot of times where I get my listening in podcast is when I when I do my daily walk, like I do two or three miles every day. And when I'm doing that, I listen. I listen to podcasts. And sometimes in the evening, instead of turning the TV on, I might turn a podcast on. But I'm usually either in I'm in the car, I'm walking, and cleaning around the house, you know, in my room or over at the church, you know, doing a project where I can put my headphones on and not have to be around people in stuff just, you know, whatever it is. And well, I that's when I listen to podcasts. But it's interesting because I can sit down and read a book anywhere in my bed. In my chair, anywhere. Yeah, I mean, the movie theater, as long as there's light. I don't Brian Swift 1:02:49 I don't know if we've talked about this on on the show before but it's been a while so we can talk about it again. But I do believe that podcasting is an example of like a new paradigm in education. In that yes, in that it offers you the opportunity. I mean, you can listen to what you can listen to like when what you're listening to right now is not educational listener. I mean, maybe it's not educational, but you might learn something, you might learn something, you might get something fulfilling out of it. Or you could get or you could find something that's actual like for instance to plug someone else's but hardcore history with Dan Carlin. Those are Dells Very good, very interesting, but very dense history podcast now. And long why and long, but here's what here's why I think it's a future it's a future future integral tool to education because it can transform previously on tap time into a very immersive learning experience. Driving like even like driving in the car again, going for a walk mowing the lawn, doing the dishes vacuuming your house, I mean, yeah, all the little things that it's like you still do those don't don't let the exercise and going to the gym, you can still do those things, but you can put something in your brain from other enthusiasts at the same time. And I think like you know, I can imagine my son Okay, he gets to when he gets to the age where they start talking about World War Two and be like, Hey, you know what, for the for the rest of the for the rest of the week when we're going to hockey practices or, or you know, when you know, driving to school or whatever we're doing wherever we're going when we're in the car, we're going to put on this Dan Carlin hardcore history podcast, and you're going to get so much more of an immersive experience and you just would from your teacher in your book, you still listen to your teacher you still read your book, but this is an another thing that you know in you know in in fosters it fosters interest that previously wasn't there. So I'm I'm bullish. I agree to use To set term I'm bullish on podcast, and its usefulness Fr. Chip Hines 1:05:03 Me too. I am Yeah, no, I agree. I I think podcasts for some reason have become so they become integral to my life and I listened to. I have too many podcasts I have listened to him and not enough time to listen to all of them. Yep, Brian Swift 1:05:24 yep, same here especially since now the traffic's down I don't get the long commute anymore right as long as Yeah, it went from an hour right and went from an hour and a half on a good day to 40 minutes so it's still plenty of time Yeah, that's great. So you haven't so watch onward when you get a chance it that has a lot to offer. Did you watch the five bloods? Fr. Chip Hines 1:05:45 No, I did not watch Duff five bloods it's Brian Swift 1:05:48 I think that it's got a strong contender for best actor of the Year in this weird year. I have really in the past two years re evaluated Spike Lee and become a fan of Spike Lee over and over again. He went through kind of a dip in quality but I think I think I saw what did I see that really made me and it wasn't the first time I saw I saw do the right thing again. And just wherever wherever we were in the world, or wherever I was in my life. I was just like, oh, like like like a switch flipped and like oh, I can see what he's doing. And this is actually this is a masterpiece I never I never saw it as a masterpiece of four so it was go back and look at Oh, so the five LEDs is a is a Vietnam adjacent. Okay story by Spike Lee involves involves older retired Vietnam vets going back to Vietnam to find the body of their friend who died but also they buried the body near a stolen cash of gold. And it's one of Chadwick boseman last roles before he died died untimely this summer. Yeah, yeah. That Rick Bozeman plays plays the friend in their in their memories. And it's just he does see like Spike Lee. He does such interesting things with the, with the genre. For instance, he taught they have these scenes with a North Vietnamese radio propagandists. I think she I think it's factual. Who went by the name of hanaway Hannah. And he would do broadcasts aimed directly at Black g eyes. You know, like, apparently, this was the first news that black GIS got about Martin Luther King's assassination, for example. Now, that's very strategic. But he shoots him in a way it's so compelling. So anyways, and then a character actor has been around for a long time, by the name of Delroy lindo. Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:06 Oh, yeah, Brian Swift 1:08:06 he's getting a lot of buzz for Best Actor for the five bloods. Sorry, yeah, Delphi. bloods da the number five. Five. Okay. Yeah. Did you see No, Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:17 I mean, I might be interested in that now. Brian Swift 1:08:20 You should check it out. Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:21 I'll check that out. Brian Swift 1:08:22 If you see Hamilton. Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:25 No, I refuse to watch Hamilton. Brian Swift 1:08:26 Why? I thought Hamilton would be right up your alley. Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:30 Are you kidding me? New not up my alley at all Brian Swift 1:08:33 history. Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:34 It is hit it? Yeah. Well, yes. I like history. I don't necessarily like weird takes on history. Brian Swift 1:08:44 Oh, it's it? I can tell you? I'm not. Fr. Chip Hines 1:08:47 I'm not. And I gotta tell you. That kind of the musical doesn't appeal to me. Brian Swift 1:08:54 It's it meets it meets and exceeds its hype. In many ways. My son jack is obsessed with it. Fr. Chip Hines 1:09:03 Oh, well. Yeah. Everybody else was obsessed with the two I just couldn't get into it. I'm sorry. Brian Swift 1:09:09 Really quite good. There was a Hulu movie that came out this summer came out in July called Palm Springs. I don't know if you got a chance to see that. Fr. Chip Hines 1:09:17 I saw the preview for that and actually did look interesting. Brian Swift 1:09:24 Really. I mean, I laughed a lot in that one. And but I thought it Fr. Chip Hines 1:09:29 looked funny, but Brian Swift 1:09:30 it's also thought provoking if you got the time or if you get the time. Let's see what else what else what else? There's not a lot that I saw this summer. Okay, the last thing that I saw on Netflix, it was on Netflix. Did you watch Hugh be Halloween? Fr. Chip Hines 1:09:48 I just heard about that. They shot I just heard about they Brian Swift 1:09:52 shot it in my neck of the woods and specifically, there was a couple of scenes that were shot on the street that I grew up on. Are the for the for the block that I grew up on. So I went into it with low expectations but like, you know, there's never been a there's never been a big movie shot. Like I'm over seeing movies just because they were just because they're Boston movies like there was a period of time. It's like, Oh, I'm gonna go that's a ballsy move and go see that. Right? That's that's over like it. The novelty is worn off. It needs to be a good story. I need to say, okay, that's a good story. It's set in Boston. The fact that it's a Boston movie is not the only drawing anymore. But well, you know, in that movie shot on my street, right, that's still a draw. So anyways, watched it when again, whenever the expectations me and my wife laughed harder than I have laughed at an Adam Sandler movie and I'm gonna say easily 15 years. It was it exceeded expectations, but do go in with low expectations. Fr. Chip Hines 1:10:56 Okay, I will, but I just I and I, that's what I just heard about. Before. You know, obviously I heard about it before you mentioned it, but I had just heard about it, like within the last week or so. And so I am kind of interested in seeing that I I saw a movie called Wonderland. Brian Swift 1:11:14 heard of it. I haven't seen it. Fr. Chip Hines 1:11:16 That was with Mark Wahlberg and Eliza Schlesinger. Brian Swift 1:11:23 Okay, sure. Fr. Chip Hines 1:11:24 And she's a comedian. And there was, yeah, some other some other pretty good actors in a two bit it was based on a Spencer novel, one of the later latest Spencer level, so Brian Swift 1:11:38 he made two Spencer movies this year. I'm sorry. So Wahlberg made two Spencer movies this year. Fr. Chip Hines 1:11:45 No, I think Wonderland was the only one he made it though. Brian Swift 1:11:48 I thought we talked about Spencer Spencer confidential on this show. Fr. Chip Hines 1:11:54 Oh, did we? Yeah. Brian Swift 1:11:57 Oh, I don't remember that. was long time. Yeah. Fr. Chip Hines 1:12:01 Yeah, I guess so. Well, then just forget that. You can edit. You can you can edit that out and post Brian Swift 1:12:06 keeping that all in, um, anything out the stuff about me earlier than I'd say? Fr. Chip Hines 1:12:11 Oh, so leave my mistakes in. Alright. Fine. You know, I imagine that people, you know, have a limit on on their time on as far as how long they're going to listen to a pod. Brian Swift 1:12:24 Yeah, we're at an hour and 15. We might be exceeding that. Oh, yeah, I agree. Good. Good point. By the chip. I'm glad that we went through some of the I'm just going to quickly go through this still some stuff on the schedule for the rest of the year that I am very interested in. Some of it is coming out on streaming. Some of it still has a foolish hope to make it into the theaters. I don't think it's going to happen. But all right. This past week, the Aaron Sorkin film, the trial of the Chicago seven came out I'm looking forward to watching that. Fr. Chip Hines 1:12:53 Yes. Brian Swift 1:12:54 Watch this incredible. Um, there was a remake. It's it's screaming actually. It's very soon within a day or two or just a day or two. But they made a remake of the classic Roald Dahl story. The Witches that was originally done with Angelica Houston. That's going to be on HBO Max and that I remember that that was part of when I was a kid. There was a really great crop of spooky stories, but definitely aimed towards children and children friendly. And, and that was one of my favorite ones. So yeah, but the one I'm most looking forward to is on Netflix. manque Have you seen the trip, but the trip just came out for the night, but it's David's. It's David Fincher, who I love. Okay. I like him and Gary Oldman. Fr. Chip Hines 1:13:47 Oh, my gosh, you will be all over. Yeah. So Brian Swift 1:13:49 I mean, you could have stopped there. But it's about it's about it's about the writer Herman Mankiewicz, in his work writing Citizen Kane. A lot of people. A lot of people think Orson Welles wrote Citizen Kane, but this guy Herman Mankiewicz wrote Citizen Kane. And he knew that and he knew William Randolph Hearst personally. Okay, so David Fincher made this it was based on a script written by his his father, who I believe is passed. I'm not entirely sure if he's not, I'm sorry. The elder Fincher. I'm glad you're still with us. Fr. Chip Hines 1:14:22 Yes. Brian Swift 1:14:24 But a really good cast. All black and white. And yeah, looking forward to that be interesting. And then the net the Pixar movie soul is coming out on Christmas Day on Disney plus, and they're not up charging it like they did for move on. And that, shockingly, it is the first Pixar film with a black protagonist. Really? I mean, unless you count Samuel Jackson in The Incredibles, but he was a supporting character. supporting character. Fr. Chip Hines 1:14:57 Yeah. Well, that's interesting. That's interesting. Am I? Yeah, you don't have to watch that. Brian Swift 1:15:04 Now you don't Fr. Chip Hines 1:15:05 know. Oh, it's not good. Brian Swift 1:15:09 okay, let me rephrase. It wasn't for me. Fr. Chip Hines 1:15:13 Okay. You might like it's probably, it might not be for me either. I didn't. I remember. I was older. Like I was a. Brian Swift 1:15:24 I was in your 20s or something? Fr. Chip Hines 1:15:26 Yeah, I think I was just at a college when the original came out. Yeah. And I remember seeing it. I saw it. And I liked the original. Yeah. Brian Swift 1:15:36 My wife ended up my wife ended up springing for it specifically because it's got a female director, and she is of the mindset of, because she can't remember the last time she saw something by a female director, I pointed out Well, there's this movie we saw, and it's like, they're out there. But she just wanted, she just wanted to support that. And I'm just like, Oh, this, you know, Alright, fine. If you want to do that, that's fine. But I fell asleep during it. Fr. Chip Hines 1:16:03 That's not a good sign. Again, it Brian Swift 1:16:05 wasn't for me. It wasn't for me. It wasn't made for me. It wasn't aimed at me. It's fair. I'm not saying that. It's bad. I'm just saying it's not for me. Fr. Chip Hines 1:16:12 Right. It's probably it's probably not for me, but I like I do like those kind of sword fighting movies and, and I was always very interested. I was interested in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, it was a good movie I liked and yeah, and that that whole era of Chuck the Chinese era. It was interesting, historically. But, you know, I ain't listen. Not everything's for everybody. Right? And no. And I think that's one of the things in this crazy year 2020 that we we need to get back to understanding is that not everything's for everybody? And ml. Okay. And, and that's exactly and that's okay. You know, it said, Brian Swift 1:17:03 so I don't think I don't think there's a better way to end this podcast. Fr. Chip Hines 1:17:07 Well, I agree. I think there can be Brian Swift 1:17:09 hope you enjoy the movie. Remember, not everything is for everybody? Fr. Chip Hines 1:17:13 That's right. No, but you know what, I'm serious, though. I'm just serious for a second. Sorry. I, I really, I really believe that in our fractured time. We need to somehow come back together and realize that they're, you know, they're not everything's for me, not everything's for you. Not everything is gonna, you know, appeal to someone. When I was a kid. Just out of college. I remember I wanted to see Reservoir Dogs, okay. Now, I had an apartment, and I had a whole bunch of people over. And I had friends from out of town. And there was some women involved there. They were there, you know, staying with us. And they wanted to watch a movie. I said, oh, let's watch Reservoir Dogs. While we put it on, and they the girls, they hated it. They hated it. They couldn't even stay in watch the whole thing. So I understand that. I am a firm believer in people, you know, not everything's for everybody. I'm a firm believer in that. And yes, and I think that's probably a good way to end the show. I'll just say from my point of view, thanks for listening if you're listening, and Thanks, Brian, for figuring out how to do this. And I guess we'll see you next time. Brian Swift 1:18:37 Thank you for listening to Never A Dull Movie. Never A Dull Movie has been a production of the Grexly Podcast Network. To learn more about this podcast and the other great podcasts on the Grexly Podcast Network, please check out grexly.com, that's grexly.com and if you're interested in supporting this podcast, please check out the Patreon page at patreon.com/grexly. When you join our Patreon page, you will receive early exclusive access to unique content. Thanks for listening to Never A Dull Movie and we will see you next week. Transcribed by https://otter.ai