Speaker 1 
all right what's going on man i already got the crying baby in the background over here let's just give me a little bit more time what's up there i had my life man i just found a picture of you and me at the finny forum oh nice yeah i'll share it here surely sorry okay okay yeah i'm trying to uh yeah so obviously we met back at finny forum we didn't know each other before then um i'm trying to remember what our convos were about i think we were talking about noto stuff um i know what worse it was mostly about like uh your profile picture i feel like a jerk i sounded like uh is because you had this like huge lapels on your thing and you look at my wedding that was my wedding photo that was my uh my yeah nice no no it was cool looking it was cool okay okay yeah it doesn't really match my in-person persona i think right i think you wore jeans and a t-shirt the entire time so i thought you were going to be dressed like overly like like a top hat and stuff at the way normally yeah i know well now i actually inspired by you uh i've recently changed changed my profile pic from uh when i gave a talk at pork fest i think it's a more accurate depiction i wear this shirt basically all the time so it actually it actually makes sense if you don't mind it's always weird when someone like asks a question who's kind of being interviewed but uh what is pork fest i see it all the time it's like a libertarian fest on the east coast or something like that that's exactly what it is yeah it's in new hampshire probably like the biggest libertarian festival there is uh it's been taking place for over 10 years and a lot of early bitcoiners have come out of there because they were into using alternatives to fiat before crypto even existed so when crypto got invented in 2009 they were already like using it at pork fest in like 2010 2011 so can actually that that makes me think of it kind of a funny story you can tell me what you think about this um and this relates to bitcoin and manero um my dad sold motorhomes most of my life you know he owned a motorhome dealership in sacramento and they had this they had this currency in sacramento that was business to business it was called itex does this sound familiar to you have you ever heard of this currency no i don't so i don't mean i i'm i'm not even sure if you search the internet if you if you if it if it's even a thing because i think it's kind of pre-internet i think it might have been a local currency but someone bought a motorhome for my dad with itex and i gave him like you know like triple the amount that the motorhome cost so he could buy stuff and i remember he had it like five years later he still had that same amount of itex he couldn't buy crap with it so what's funny is when bitcoin came out i remember when i first saw it and i watched like one of those like youtube videos and this is like it's fine to be fair it was like 2011 or something like that i know bitcoin so would i um when i first saw like a youtube video i was like oh it was itex again this is crap and i always wonder if i had never heard of itex if i would have been more interested like i always like you know my mind is straight there yeah that was kind of my first impression of bitcoin as well i thought it was like another attempt at one of these currencies i didn't realize they figured out how to make it decentralized right i just thought all right let's let's shut that down it's like i don't even feel like that was like a conversation piece like like even in 2018 kind of like when i went through the roof like um And we could get there,

Speaker 1 
but like I even know any of like the digital scarcity aspect of that and any of that stuff. So way later, till I think like 2020 when I was listening to a podcast and he talked about that and I was like, oh, that makes more sense. But at the time, it just sounded cool, like cryptocurrency and all that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, we should we should definitely back up a second. So we're we're four minutes into this and Vince has not even introduced himself. We've kind of given like a we jumped right into the convo. It's like a it's like a it's like a Rogan interview. Yeah, let's let's back up Vince. Give us the intro. Who is Vince? What are you doing? Why are you on the narrow talk? What's up? So it's up everyone Vince Lundgren. I'm from Sacramento, California. Um, if you can to save you a lot of time or I'm sure we'll go through it On my profile for at Vince for California fixing Cali on Twitter I have a like a two or three minute intro video of why I'm running for governor of California and Very passionate about it To kind of summarize my life and where I'm at At 18, I joined the Navy total screw-up in high school F's and F&D student.

I should not be I should not I shouldn't even been in the military and I scored pretty good on the Azbab I got a 66 which may not sound like enough But you're this is gonna blow your mind my job in the military was intelligence. So so And the reason why I wanted to be in the Navy is that's kind of a long story But I got in really good shape in high school. I did boxing. There was a book There was a boxing gym right by my house So I went to boxing every day and I got an incredible shape and I wasn't great at school so I was like How can I turn this into something and this is kind of pre-internet like no one really like only people that had the internet back then We're kind of weird like like no one really had the internet like email was still weird Like no one really had anything like this So the reason why I mentioned that is this is 2000 like my big thing is I was really interested in Navy SEALs I wanted to be a Navy SEAL and looking into anything Navy SEALs was was very cartoonish Like there was the movie Navy SEAL to Charlie C Charlie Sheen But that's about it. I mean you could you've heard someone was a Navy SEAL and like I would hear these Stupid stupid rumors like oh a Navy SEAL training. They kill you they drowned you they you break a bone You hear these in stupid insane things and you never knew what was true. I mean now with people like David Goggins and Who's the dude who's the Jocko like everyone knows every single detail every little layer of Navy SEALs But from the little I knew I knew I like I wanted in like this is what I wanted to do with my life Let's be a Navy SEAL So went to boot camp the way and this is kind of I think people might like this They think you're gonna fail out in Navy SEAL training So what they do is they send you to your school right away your job So I went to intelligence school and intelligence schools in Dam Neck,

Speaker 1 
Virginia And it's three months long and what's cool about that is the entire time I was there It was like Navy SEAL training camp. There was a dude there Robert Jordan the best man I've ever met in my life He wanted us to pass SEAL training. So he got us up every morning at 4 a.m We did push-ups sit-ups pull-ups dips and ran to this every single day And just I was already in incredible shape because I used to box and this got me in like Navy SEAL shape and I was just ready to go and From there went to SEAL training.

It's in SEAL training for I want to say two or three months They have this thing when you get there where and I hope this isn't boring you guys trying to get I feel like some of these SEAL details are kind of interesting, but you guys some of these are boring but um When you get there when you get in Navy SEALs There you're there with a class and you have to wait for that whole entire class to show up the class like you know, there's like 300 people in your class because they already know like over half are gonna quit and After that is another class and there's another class before that so there's this constant like cycling going on So I'm waiting for this other class to finish so we can start first phase and it's months and I'm in there for one month I'm in there for two months. Can they make you do every single thing that you do in SEAL training? This is one thing we didn't do. What was it? So you do all the running you do all the swimming you do everything Oh, you don't do the surf torture. So you don't have to do that. You don't do the logs So every single day we're getting up early and doing the running you have to run to every meal This is kind of cool though. Most people don't know this you get nights and weekends off in SEAL training. Did you know that? No, I thought it was like a non-stop 24-7 type thing No, yeah, there was a guy. There's a guy who had a DUI there one of them like that's like And not trying to say it's like it's easy or anything like that Very relaxed and what I would do at nights and weekends. I go to Mexico So it was right there and they told us, you know right away when we got there like do not go to Mexico You're not allowed to go to Mexico And what's cool is I had a, uh, I was from California. So when you cross back over the border, you have all these dorks with all their military IDs. Like I have to show the gate guard and then there's a Navy chief who waits there and kind of watches and sees like, who's in the Navy crossing? Cause you're not technically allowed to go there. And I had my California ID and I could just play dumb. Be like, no, I'm, I just have this stupid haircut. You know, I, I just shave a lot at 18. So, um, so yeah, I go to, uh, go to Mexico all the time, blah, blah. Um, one, one story I was just telling you and you liked it, my profile, so I'll tell it real quick. Um, David Goggins was in class two, three, five. I was in class two, three, six. He was doing a hell week and hit one of the days. 

Speaker 1 
It was like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. He was like outside of my room and he was like yelling. And he's like, does anyone have a knife? Does anyone have a knife?

And everyone had talked about David Goggins around SEAL training. He was like a legend cause he's on his third hell week. I mean, one hell week for people that don't know this, you know, it's almost no sleep, it's like five days straight. And you're doing your, I think you run like 80 miles in that week. Um, you're just, you're beat to death and you know, this is like the culmination kind of like, of like all your hard work after SEAL training, kind of like the training's still hard, but you're kind of like looked at a little bit differently and you know, internally, okay, I can do this. I can make it through.

So he was on his third, he had been injured or I think a family member had something bad happen to him or something. So he's yelling for a knife and I was like, Oh my God, it's my chance to talk to him.

And they issue you a knife and you get to SEAL training. So I ran over to him and I was like, Hey, dude, uh, you know, Hey, you could just like sitting there, I didn't really know what to say. And I was like, is it true? This is your third hell week. And he just kind of like looks up with me and he's holding the knife and he's like on the baddest motherfucker alive. Okay. All right, dude, cause I will, I'll see you later. Uh, did he really say that? That's what, that's all he said. Like, not like, yeah, or yeah, man, it's crazy. Just on the baddest mother, like he speaks in quotes. So, uh, yeah, like, uh, a week later, I could get into the story if you want, or I could just fast forward, but, uh, fell off a rope about 40 feet, broke my ankle and what I mentioned earlier is how the way SEAL training works is it's like big packs of people. So the other class behind me was showing up and they had like something like 700, 800 people, which is unheard of each class has like 300. So they're like, Hey, anyone that's medically injured, we're just going to kick you out, like you need to go to the fleet. You can't, you can't be coming here and doing like three rounds. Like David Gogg have said, like, you can leave it. You can come back. So they kicked me to the fleet.

Now this is, this is like September of 2000 when this happened. I think about that. I think September, no, I'm sorry. This is January of 2001. When I, uh, when I finally got kicked out of, uh, SEAL training, I got sent to a ship and the ship I go on, this is going to sound crazy. I guess into the USS Abraham Lincoln, which is 9 11 happens and fast forward.

If how, how do you do this? If you don't mind me asking? Um, 44 can be 45 spoon. So we're roughly, we're roughly the same age. I'm 43. So do you remember mission accomplished? Do you remember when Bush landed on that carrier? I was there. You were on the carrier. I'm like the famous picture with him in the background where it says mission accomplished, I'm in the front and I've never been able to find a picture of the people in the front. 

Speaker 1 
You can only see the picture of like the behind of the sign. I'm like in that front area right there. So yeah.

Yeah. I watched, I watched the twin towers go down from my dorm room in, uh, hopeful. On base in, uh, Birmingham. You were, you were on that ship when Bush famously called for the end of the war. Uh, and I worked intelligence. Yeah. I do, I do remember us, uh, talking about 54 and me thinking like, like, is this guy fed? Like, what is this guy trying to do over here? Ha. Hell. And obviously you were like, I mean, you know, you worked for intelligence that you were at one point a fed, but, uh, I was kind of, I was kind of suspicious of you, but I'm suspicious of everybody I meet at any of these Monero events. And by the way, anybody who's listening, I mean, you should be, and you probably are, if you're in Monero, just assume everybody's, uh, up to no good, right?

I mean, unfortunately that's the way you have to go about things, uh, just to make sure you're on the up and up with how you use Monero, talk about Monero, uh, engage with it, but I, full disclosure, I think I even told you at the, that day, right, that, that like we were kind of gave it around about that. To be fair to you, there is no way to ask someone anything in the Monero community, anything, even like somewhat logical without sounding like a cop. Like, like I was, I remember I was asking someone, I was like, I was like, how do you report your taxes? Cause it's really hard, like with, well, you asking people that and everyone's like, what? And I was like, okay, pretend I'm not a cop. How do you actually do it? And everyone's getting suspicious. So it's very uncomfortable.

Yeah, it is, it is, it is. But that's a good way to operate. People do stupid things. They get approached to say, hey, are you in the business of selling Monero? Yeah, sure, sure. I'll sell you. I sell Monero all the time. I do it for a profit. I do it as a business. That's need to watch out for when they're at these type of events. But yeah, no, that's funny, man. You're bringing me back to what our convos were. So you were a Navy SEAL. Are you wet for the Navy SEALs? You ended up in intelligence in the Navy. Badass.

You were on the aircraft carrier, where Bush was. What happens next in the arc? Well, there's an embarrassing part of that story. But real quick, what's kind of cool is, you know, like I was really into God, that sounds nerdy. I was really into conspiracy theories at the time. In like high school. You ever heard of the book Behold a Pale Horse? This was like the original, original conspiracy theory book. Do you remember Art Bell? Remember that show Coast to Coast AM? Did you ever hear that show by chance? No. So if you ever drove like midnight till 6am, there's a show on AM radio called Coast to Coast. Okay. And most of it, it's like Alex Jones, like 30 years ago, 40 years ago. So if you'd ever like drive the rate, I always, yeah, my dad would listen to it. 

Speaker 1 
And it was it was crazy conspiracy. I mean, people call and say they're aliens, people would call and say all sorts of stuff. And yes, so I got into this book called Behold a Pale Horse. And the premise is it's a nonfiction. The guy claims that it's a true story. He's a Navy intelligence guy. He works on a, he works on a submarine. And he claims that he's doing night watch on the back of a submarine. And he says he's out there and it's like 2am. And he sees this craft go into the water. And then, you know, an hour later, he sees that like a similar craft fly out of the water. And he reports this to like his CEO. And he claims that within a day or two, these guys came from like the NSA came on to his so on a submarine, and was like, you didn't see that. And he's like, No, I saw this thing. And he's like, you didn't see that. And he's like, Okay, I didn't see it. And then he claims from then on, he was read into all these like different classifications. And he, he tells all that he kind of weaves this tale of like, what's really going on in the real government, kind of like Alex Jones stuff.

Now, that back then was very kind of interesting. Now it's all very major stuff. Right. So I felt super cool. I was like, Oh, my god, I'm going into the Navy as Intel, like, I'm gonna uncover all this stuff. So, oh, I think you guys like this. So when you get to it, when you work in a skiff, so everyone knows what a skiff is now a skiff is a secure compartment and information facility. So you always hear like, you know, like Trump was working in a skiff, or these people are taking documents out of a skiff. What a skiff looks like, it's like, it's like a door, you know, it's like a room, but that door is a safe. And to keep kind of like conversations out, even though I'm pretty sure it's down group, they still play like music coming out of it. So it's like a double protection. So nothing, no information can get out.

So within a skiff, you have computers that are hooked up to the super net supernet is secure internal protocol, okay, it's the secret internet. And then on top of that is the top secret internet, which is called jwix. And these are all things if you go to Wikipedia, you can look up. And what's kind of cool is even back then they had kind of a Google type interface, I don't know what it was called, it was called something dirty, but, and you could search stuff. And in my job on the ship, I would search aliens, I would search all this stuff, all this stuff, so much so that one of my Intel officers is like, dude, you have to work like, you have all sorts of stuff to do. And this is what you do with your time. And I was like, don't aren't you curious? And he's like, No, he's like, that shit's not real. And I'm like, yes, it is. And, but here's what I realized. And what's funny is I, I drove to Michigan three years ago. And I was in the Snowden's book. And he talks about how he did the exact same thing. He's like, yeah, you won. Yeah, yeah, he did. And I was like, Oh, my God, that's what I did. I found nothing, found nothing. 

Speaker 1 
There's no information or anything. And what I realized is whether any of that stuff's true or not, you're not gonna get that classification being a, excuse my language, a young like dipshit on the boat. They're not going to give you any of that stuff. And that's what I'm over here thinking like, Oh, the secrets of the universe are going to unfold themselves to this dummy who's, you know, who's kicked out of SEAL training, like, they don't care about me.

So, so this is a little bit of the like, the sad part of the story, then we'll kind of move on. But right around like, I don't want to get any conspiratorial about this, but like, probably a few months after 911, like, like three or four months, I go to the bathroom when I take it, I go poop, and poop out a ton of blood. I'd be in pain all the time. This is still in the Navy. And I kept going to medical and I'd go and I'd go and I'd go. And it just got worse and worse. And they're like, we think it's this, we think it's this, we think it's this. And it was super embarrassing. Cause like, these are all people like you see every day and like, you're going to like medical and you're like, Hey, like you're sitting next to him like, Hey, I'm the guy and you know, being a sailor, like in blood poop, like there's like a lot of gay jokes and stuff like that. And, you know, I'm not, I'm not a gay guy. So, and nothing against that. But when you're, when you're 18, you don't want to hear that crap, but, um, you know, I, you know, it was all a joke at the time. So you get all these comments and it just got worse and worse. And it got so bad. Like I could barely go walk. I was in so much pain. And, um, what's the, yeah, in my last year in the Navy, I was just in pain all the time and I was like, holy shit, dude. Like, uh, they did a surgery and they did some other stuff. And on my way out of the Navy, uh, I was like, uh, like I can't reenlist. So it's funny as they offered me a reenlistment and they offered me like a big bonus and I was like, I'm in pain all the time. Like I can't reenlist. Like, I don't even know what the hell I'm going to do. Like I'm going to be hopeless. Like my, my life is over, man. I'm in pain all the time. And, uh, on my, uh, form where you get out, they wrote completely fine. He has no pain. And I only found that out years later. I just subpoenaed those documents within a month of getting out. I had another surgery fast forward, had nine surgeries. Nothing's worked. This is where it gets a little conspiratorial and you, you could add to this or you can see it's a BS. I I'm kind of in the middle. It was right around the time when we got the, um, so on the ship, we got the anthrax shot. So, uh, at the time we thought, you know, Saddam was going to attack us with anthrax. That was kind of the big thing in, in 2002, 2003. That was like the big, what's funny is 20 years later, no one even knows these things. So, uh, so that anthrax shot and it's come out later. They didn't really test it that well. 

Speaker 1 
So I don't know, maybe that exacerbated it. Maybe it was something's gone. I don't know. But anyway, since then I've just had like a million stomach and like gastrointestinal problems.

Like I've had my gall butter removed, had a million things. I went from like the most in shape person. I mean, not trying to buy like super in shape person to just like slowly, slowly, miserable, miserable, miserable life. And when I got out of the Navy, I was like soda pressed all the time. I was in pain and I took a class at the local college on, uh, took a class on backpacking and excuse me. Took it with his backpacking teacher and he took me to Yosemite for a week and I spent seven days in Yosemite and it changed my life, like all my like depression from being in pain.

Like I had this like whole like life trajectory of being the seal, but it just kind of went away and I was just in pain and nothing like was like kind of like satisfying that, you know, whole thing. And then I was like, Oh, working intelligence, but then I'm still in more pain. So my life is just kind of turning into this like ball of shit and it was just getting absolutely depressing. So I worked with this dude in Yosemite, I'm sorry, I took this class in Yosemite and it like changed my whole trajectory. And I was like, Oh my God, like I love hiking. Like this is the greatest thing ever. Simultaneously I was in pain all the time. So I had this like weird, I was in this weird gray area where I'm always hiking, but always in pain and the hiking made me feel better and the hiking hurt me.

So I spent like the next 10 years hiking. Like I would go on like seven day trip, seven day trip, seven day trips. I got into like all this like new agey nonsense. I would go to like silent meditation retreats and like do long extended. Like I was so, I was so like far into all that crap for years and none of it ended up working by the way, none of it elevated into my pain.

I'm trying to bring up this to be where I'm at now. So that was like, I don't know, I got the name in 2004, went to college for a little bit and cut my degree and the worst degree or the most useless degree ever, which is it's literally the degree from Van Walder. It's outdoor recreation management or leisure studies. Like it has like, it has like 10 different names, but same exact degree. Just absolutely. And what's funny is I worked as a forest ranger for a little bit and these dudes that were in the forest ranger school, some of them were 18 and there was me who had finished all the schooling and we did the same thing. We got paid the same amount. So I was like, Oh my God, this whole degree was a joke, fake, the waste of time.

But, you know, it was a good time that like, it was a good place to kind of store me for a while to like, kind of like chill and un-militarize myself. So that was, that I was kind of thankful for. But in terms of like worldwide debt and all that stuff and having people go to school for that, it's a total waste of money. And the professors that are laughable, how seriously they take this degree. 

Speaker 1 
It's a joke. You'd go on like a trip and you write about your feelings and stuff, which was great, you know, you can imagine like being in college, like just go on a trip and write about your feelings. Like, so, um, I'm trying to think. So after, uh, I think I wrote down some things of like, you, you think like it's my life and I'd remember, but, uh, I just don't want to get anything.

So did you get over, did you get over this injury? No, no. And what's crazy is at the height of it, my doctor was giving me no shit, 60 Vicodin a month, so I would take two a day. It was two a day, two a day. It just kept getting really bad. And I just, one day just stopped taking it was, I was like, kind of like, kind of like, I could see myself like getting sucked into that lifestyle of just like picking Vicodin into perpetuity. So that was around like 2015. I was like, I'm not going to take these anymore. And what's funny is I remember like a year after that, I was telling them, when you use the VA, your doctors kind of like switch out routinely. I remember telling my doctor, I was like, yeah, like, you know, I'm not taking that anymore. Like it's only, this is just, this is just at the start of when, uh, we started talking about, uh, painkillers in this country about like the, the abuse of them. I remember that doctor was like, I'm glad we got you off that. And I remember being like, dude, I got myself up that no one was talking to me like I saw that like as a black hole, which unrelated, but kind of interesting. Um, at that time I read that book, hillbilly eulogy and that whole entire book, if anyone's read it, it's literally about how Vicodin has ruined this country. So I was like, oh my God, like this is literally like what's happening to me. It's like the doctor was like throwing this crap at me.

The JD van. Anyways, the JD van's book. Yeah, it's really good book. And I felt like a kinship because he was enlisted military and I was enlisted, he's enlisted Marine, I was enlisted Navy. So, um, yeah. And then, um, since then, um, and then I talked about this in my pin video of my, uh, on my profile, my ex profile. Um, you know, growing up in California, it was a utopia, you know, the people in California, you live, I'm guessing on the East coast somewhere. Is that right? Yeah. I'm in New York. Oh, wow. Yeah. New York city area. Not exactly a utopia right here right now, but I hear you. I mean, just things, things were better. Uh, let me tell you the story of Chicago and I get there, but oh my God, dude, that's wild. New York. Wow. We live on such different. Yeah, I figured, but I didn't realize this. I thought it was like Florida, New York. Um, California, as you can imagine, it was the greatest place on the planet. And I've been to a lot of places being beyond that ship. You know, I've been to Australia, I've been to Singapore, I've been to Bahrain, don't go there. Been, been all, you know, all sorts, all sorts of places. 

Speaker 1 
California was amazing. And then got out of the Navy and it was still great. Great, great, great.

Fast forward throughout the years, as you can imagine, as every, every place has gotten, you know, it's become a total dump is a, just a cesspool. Um, you know, things that, how I say this, nothing's normal here. I, like I, I say getting ready for this, this conversation, I saved a bunch of things, I don't know how many of them you'd be interested in seeing, or even like, if we have time or whatever, but like, uh, you know, Midtown, Sacramento, Sacramento, which is the capital of California and, you know, kind of like the envy of the world in some degree, walking around in Midtown, Sacramento, a few months ago, and the lady starts taking a dump right in front of them. And I filmed it. And I know that sounds weird to film it, but I only film it because I was like, this is not normal. And someone like me, what I'm saying is I'm an idiot, you know, kind of like, uh, you know, I know that I'm not that smart. And if someone like me is going like, Hey, what the hell is going on in this, in this country, whatever it is, it's happening in every democratic city, every democratic left-leaning city it's happening in. And the crazy part is no one gives a shit.

You know, uh, something that got a big amount of buzz off my profile the other day is I tweeted under someone, this, and this happened. I was over at a friend's house like two or three weeks ago. He was like, three weeks ago. And he just moved to a house, not a great part of town. And his house had got robbed. was robbed. Oh, there was a homeless encampment at the end of the street when he was going to sell his other place. So he's going to sell one place and move to another place. There's a homeless encampment in the street so it made it really hard to sell. And then the third thing was, oh, his wife's parents are renting out a place and that place the tenant wouldn't leave. So we kind of had like a lot of like problems with like, you know, social issues as well as like government not stepping in and kick like kicking out squatters.

So he's telling me about this. And while he's telling me about this, he starts complaining about Trump. And that's finally like you don't have to be left lane or right lane. That's not my point. My point is like, holy shit, dude, like your town, your life is being upended right now by, by, you know, crime, by homelessness, whatever. And you can only think Trump, Trump, Trump. And that's literally the California brain. That's everyone in California. You know, like, yeah, like, like, you know, you know, gas here is insane. And, you know, my kind of saying is, and this hasn't gotten much traction, my saying is, gas here could be $20. But if Trump said something crazy that day, that will be the top story in the news, you know, like, like the gas $20 is immaterial compared to whatever Trump says. So it's been it's been terrifying kind of like watching this whole thing unfold of like, what is your line Californians? 

Speaker 1 
And I'll just kind of go through it real quick of like what happened in I have a video on my, my video of my introduction. You know, I'm walking in San Francisco with my wife, and this is a few years ago. Let me let me play. Let me play your video action real quick. Great, great, great, great. Save this. Cool. Then. Okay, here we go. Here we go. My name is Vince Lundgren. I'm born and raised in Sacramento. Oh, no, I'm running for governor of California. Can you hear it? I joined the Navy in the year 2000 and probably served both before and after 911. Back then, I constantly told my fellow sailors that California was. Can you hear it now? Right? You can't hear it. Oh, you can't. Were you able to hear it? Okay, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Sorry, I needed myself. That's what I'm I wanted. But you're able to hear the video? Yes. That's weird because I can't hear it on my head. All right, but I'm gonna I'm gonna play it.

If you can hear it, then I assume everybody else can. So here we go. Cool. My name is Vince Lundgren. I'm born and raised in Sacramento. I want to tell you why I'm running for governor in California. I joined the Navy in the year 2000 and probably served both before and after 911. Back then, I constantly told my fellow sailors that California was utopia the best place to live. 20 years later, I don't say that anymore.

A few years ago, I was walking at the spot in San Francisco with my wife when a homeless man attacked her right in front of me. The guy was clearly out of his mind on drugs. Shortly after that incident, I saw in the news that our own governor was attacked by a homeless man in Oakland. But unlike you or me, the governor has armed guards protecting him. Do you have armed guards? Probably not. Wow, check out all those guns that protect him. Later, while visiting Santa Barbara with my wife and her family, I discovered a used fentanyl pipe and the needle on the beach right where we could have easily stepped on them. After that, I saw a bus parked near a junior high school in midtown Sacramento with a sign reading harm reduction. The people in this RV are handing out free needles and glass pipes right in front of kids walking by. I was curious. I went over to the bus to check it out and they gave me all the needles and glass pipes I wanted. When I looked into it, I found out that California gives millions of taxpayer dollars to groups enabling addiction under the framing of harm reduction. These groups hand out needles, pipes, and paraphernalia for anyone that wants it. These programs all claim needle exchange as their selling point to stop disease spread, but it seems like a myth. One volunteer group in Sacramento alone removed over 19,000 discarded needles from rivers and waterways over just the last two years. If you're from Sacramento, you know everyone goes to the rivers in the summer. It gets even crazier. When my wife renewed a pharmacy license, the state mandated she take training on how straight white men are privileged and oppressors. 

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When I looked deeper, I discovered this wasn't some oversight. This mandatory class on white people being oppressors was a law passed by the California legislature and signed by Governor Newsom. Assembly Bill 2194 under the framing as a harmless cultural competency course. The bill passed with overwhelming support from Democrats and even 13 Republicans signing on. What does teaching pharmacists that straight white men are oppressors have to do with medicine? That thing!

This is state mandated racism designed to divide us. I really want to emphasize this. The California government is mandating training to drive wedges between Californians based on race. What comes after Newsom is even worse unless we turn the up around immediately.

This is all un-American and actually it's un-California. This has happened in my family. I know some version of this has happened to yours as well. What I've tried to do in this introduction is paint a picture of how there's no ability to see the same policies coming out of the leadership in Sacramento. If you're like me and just want to be left alone, then I'm sorry, it's not happened. Nothing changes until we remove these sociopaths from power.

Let's try something new. My name is Vincent Lundgren. I'm running as an independent for Governor of California.

Let's send a clear message to the Net Job Leadership in Sacramento that their time is up. Visit my website vinceforcalifornia.com and donate. Thank you. Paid for by Vincent Lundgren for Governor, 2026 FPPC ID 1480 877. So let me, let me show you something real quick. I'm going to show you my wedding picture with me and my wife. Hey, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Let me, so obviously you're, it's going to be a hell of a, it'd be a hell of a race for you to win, right? So I mean, what do you, what are you, what are you really looking to do here? Uh, obviously I love the fact that you're out here. You're pointing out the, pointing out the obvious. You're pointing out all these important issues. You're pointing out that that wokeism has, has completely infected, uh, California, but what, what is, uh, what is your actual goal? So it was real quick before I get there. So my wife's Indian and like, I wanted to show that in that video, but I kind of also wanted to leave my wife out of like the whole, you know, I wasn't trying to get like sympathy credit for my wife being Indian, but what I was trying to show in that video is in California, they are teaching, like people like my wife who are Indian, that white people are oppressors in pharmacy.

What does this have to do with pharmacy? Nothing, nothing. So, you know, what, what am I doing with this whole thing? Like, I'll be honest, it's almost in, and it was more of a Monero talk thing. And forgive me for this. It's almost like Bitcoin in a way. Like, like, I remember, uh, me and my friend are talking about or like, they print so much money, right? Everyone's in the national debt. And this whole, this whole, this whole thing is going to fall one day and it's going to fall very soon. 

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I'm assuming with the, how much money they print, you know, right now, 36 something trillion. When you go, when you like invest in Bitcoin or Monero, when you invest in something like where you think that like this whole thing is going to fail, like it's all you can do. Like, like you can, you can say you did something, you know, like, like even, even if Bitcoin doesn't make it or Monero doesn't make it or anything, like you have to try something.

And I don't know, like, let me, let me put it this way. In that video, my wife got attacked by a homeless dude. The governor got attacked by a homeless dude. What's the chasm between Vince Lundgren and Gavin Newsom. The chasm is everyone in California. Like you're all susceptible to being attacked by psychopath homeless people that are deranged on drugs. And I know that sounds very like beer mongery. That's what it's like walking around this shithole state.

The state is an utter, I live in Roseville. You know, it's a very conservative area. We stay in Roseville. We like, we have a rule in this family, me and my wife, that if we have to go to Sacramento, like we go a certain route and we go together and we just go and do whatever we have to do and we get the hell out of there. We stay, like, this area is a little more rural than Sacramento. And then once you go a little more east, it's kind of the Tahoe area and all that. So it gets very like mountainous and like very rural. But oh my God, it is terrifying out there. So, I mean, let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. Look, can I share with you a quick video? Can I share this? This will, this will, I think this will put this all in, all in nice perspective. So I'm going to share two. It's going to take a while. I'm just going to tell you in 2000, do you remember going to Walmart with those like in like roughly like 99, 2000 area? Do you remember what that was like going to Walmart? Yeah. Do you remember what were the people when you walked into Walmart? What did they do? If you remember there? Yeah. What did they do? Well, what was Walmart known for? What was kind of like their little quirk thing that they were no problem? I guess they would greet you. I don't even know. Greeders. So do you remember at the time there was like even commercials, like we have greeters, that's their whole job as a greeter, right? They say, Hey, now everything is locked up behind. Not always, they're not a greeter. There's someone that checks your receipt when you're there. So the greeter is literally 90 degrees or I'm sorry, 180 degrees turned around and he just checks your EC and what I'm doing, I, I, all this stuff that you experienced, I experienced here in New York, maybe not, not quite as bad as Cali, uh, parts of Cali, San Francisco and things like that, but, uh, yeah, New York, New York is, and I don't know if you, I don't know if you've seen who the Democratic nominee is for mayor, but I think the guy's literally an outright communist.

Um, it's wild, wild. Yeah. The whole city is about to fall. 

Speaker 1 
So, I mean, I, I hear you on all this. So what, like I say, so, so the goal here is you just want to, you want to get this message out. You want to, you want to start a movement. I mean, are you trying to, um, get behind other people that are running for governor at some point? Um, are you trying to make a name for yourself? What, what, what is mission, mission accomplished here?

Obviously, if you became governor, that'd be mission accomplished. But what, what is like, uh, how do you walk away from this satisfied? Not George Bush mission accomplished. Well, then you could just call right now. You're right. Oh yeah. I want, I mean, ideally wing, but I'll be honest. I know I'm not going to, I'll tell you how, how embarrassing it has gotten. So I posted that video and it got a little bit of buzz and in my DMS on Twitter, I got quite a few messages like, thank you. Thank you. Amazing thing. I'm going to show this to my family. Zero donations. My dad's are on Twitter, hundreds of likes and comments, zero donations. I thought it'd get like a dollar, maybe like, like, you know, like some, you know, some a friend, I ran for office in 2020 for us Congress. So I, I, I hear where you're coming from. But God, God. Yeah. And whenever I see those, um, like, like I'll, I'll be scrolling on Twitter and I'll see like some like really sad story about like someone's like family died and thing, I always give like five bucks or something, just like a dollar, like something kind of like, ah, you know, I hope, hope the best, you know, but that's not to show that I'm a great guy or anything like that. There's more just to say like, I was shocked. I was like, damn, I didn't get a penny. This is so bad. So at this point, I don't know. I mean, I think me and my wife have been talking about it. I, I, I think it was just like a thing to try. And I think it was a thing to say like, Hey, what's going on? You know, two things in that video, I think are kind of like, this shows how awful conservative media is. Gavin Newsom got attacked by a homeless dude. The fact that Fox news doesn't play that every day and laugh at him, you know, you know, liberal media will play like the same story 200 times and be like, you know, you know, Trump said both sides, both sides, both sides, you know, you could go anywhere and you could go outside. Someone will just be murmuring it to themselves in the state. They're so like deranged by it. The fact that it isn't anyone I show that to they go, Hey, did you know Gavin Newsom was attacked by a homeless guy? No clue. I have never met anyone that knows that the fact that that's not common knowledge in the state is terrifying and shows the Fox news is a joke. I'll tell you how big of a news Fox joke, Fox news, how big of a joke Fox news is that slide where I show where I said, where my wife had to take on, uh, on pharmacists, we're sure to do this on this class where white men are privileged oppressors. 

Speaker 1 
I posted that on Twitter and Elon Musk retweeted it and it got 8 million views. So what's crazy is this is so crazy. This was back like two years ago when all this wokeness stuff was still kind of big and still kind of scary. And I'll admit that, excuse my language, I was being a pussy and I posted it under a, a profile name, pharmacy whistleblower, because I was afraid those slides were proprietary.

The slides were from the California state. So I was like, what if these clients are like, whatever. So I made, I, oh, this is, this is a Monero stuff that you'll like. I went to Dollar General because I had to make a fake pharmacy profile and I had to pay, maybe only took credit card. I went to Dollar General and paid cash for a online credit card that I could buy. And I made a fake pharmacy account. And then on that pharmacy account, I rewatch those slides because I didn't want to access it through my wife's account. And then I posted that. And then that account and wokeness took my slides and he quotes me at the bottom. And he says like, uh, you know, at the bottom, you know, when you like use someone's picture, it says their name, it embedded the name. He did that. And then Elon Musk retweeted it and then commented on it and wrote insane. So, um, the fact that again, the fact that every, oh, and then I show in the video, 13 Republican Republican, uh, house, uh, in California, we have a thing called assembly, which is kind of like the state. It's like a house representatives in the Senate, but within California as well, so those people that are within it, they all voted for the stupid ass measure to tell white people that they're racist when getting pharmacy, like this is our Republican, by the way, this is house. So anyways, when I said how dumb Fox news is, well, a person from Fox news reached out to me and they said, Hey, tell me more about this. And I said, anything you want to know. And then they ghosted me. And then I followed up with an email later. I was like, Hey, would you like to know anything? Like, like I'll give you the logins. I'll give you everything. No response. And this person, I'll tell you who this person is. This person works for Chris Rufo, Mr. I uncovered something else we can get into if you want to. I uncovered another similar thing at Sacramento state, almost identical thing where they're, I've got really entwined in, as you can imagine, this has deranged me to some degree to like what's going on with race in California and race in this country. Um, and I, I, I uncovered a very similar thing that's going on at the local college here, and again, I sent it to Chris Rufo and the same thing, the same exact thing where they said, um, where they said like, Oh, we're interested in this, tell us more. 

Speaker 1 
And I told him, I was like, call me, here's my phone number, anything. Any information you want to know? No response goes to me again.

And these are things where if the average person knew, like when I mentioned like Gavin Newsom being attacked, these are talking points that would just win every argument and I'm just like an odd, maybe I'm stupid, like maybe I'm stupid and they wouldn't win an argument, but I think that they would win every argument if people started talking about this more, like this is how stupidly our, our government is ran here in California. Um, so yeah. So anyways, your question to me was what can I do to affect change? I mean, what was my goal with this? I mean, yeah, you know, that it's, it's a big undertaking, right? Uh, did, did you actually file? Are you, are you, you're like, Oh, so what's funny about that is you have to file like this form called like, I don't want to get them wrong. I don't want a lot. It's like form five Oh one. And you have to follow this other one, like a committee form. And then you have to get this FPPC ID. And then you have to like, Oh, and by the way, all of this stuff, like half of it, you have to mail the other half at one point, like you have to send it in. I sent it in and they're like, we never got it. And I was like, I sent it to you. I sent it through Gmail and they're like, Oh, we sent it through Gmail. We only do Microsoft email. This is from the state. And I was like, but it doesn't say that. And why wouldn't you say that in the original thing? And they're like, Oh yeah, we should have told you that. So I had to, I had to find it out in Microsoft. What's that? How I was like, so how are you even getting on the ballot? How does it work? And tell like, uh, this is one funny thing. I think you'll really appreciate my Microsoft email. I haven't used in 20 years. It's from high school and my Microsoft name on there has been assessed. So I applied to be governor under the name Vincest. So like as, and I thought that was hilarious, but I was like, this is so unprofessional, but whatever. They only accept Microsoft email. Only accept Microsoft email. Like that other government by this California government. So are you running as an, you're running as an independent or you're running as unaffiliated or you're. Yeah, independent. Okay. And so how do you actually get on the ballot? You need to get enough, you need to get like signatures and stuff, right? So you need to get at least it costs $4,000. It's like $3,985 you have to pay and you have to get like 65 signatures. And what's crazy is I only fit 65 signatures to get on the governor's ballot. And yeah, it's something like that. It's like, it's like, and the only reason why I know that is I ran in the, uh, remember when Newsom was recalled in 2021. So I ran in that recall and I actually got on, I got on this thing called the, uh, Most people think that when you type in a name, so when you run for governor or anyone runs for like president and it says, he says, write in a name here. 

Speaker 1 
You know that thing where it says that on the, on the thing, on the form. Yeah. If everyone wrote Douglas two men on there for president, you wouldn't win because you have to be an official.

What's it called? It's called an official writing candidate. I was an official writing candidate for the, uh, for the last governor's race, for the, uh, for the recall. And, um, I got five votes. So, uh, five people wrote my name in. So that one, I had to get 65 signatures. This one, that is like a year out because that process. So I don't want to lie to you. It's something like, it's like $4,000. And it's either like 65 or a hundred signatures and go like that, something like that, I don't want to lie. Right. Let's trust about thousands of signatures. Okay. Maybe to be honest, I don't want to lie about and yeah, because I mean in New York, it's it's it's hard to get I get on the ballot interesting that so so yeah, so like it's so Back to that original question that so then what what would you say is the the goal here at this point?

You just I mean, let me let me let me ask you this question. Do you think if you did have the money? Whether you or somebody else but with your message Do you think there's an undercurrent there looking to put somebody in office? Like yourself. I mean, obviously I would think there's there's quite a few people You know california is is majority democrat but even even middle of middle of the road people even democrats I have to imagine are at a point Uh a good number of them that want to bring california back swing it back in the other direction or is that not the case? Is it that everybody is just got the woke mind virus over there? I I one of my biggest problems is I explain things through story Let me explain. Let me answer your question through a story and bear with me here And I I think this will answer your question in 2018-2019 Cops shot an unarmed guy in sacramento this guy step on card flag guy And this is all over. I lived in sacramento at the time and there was fucking riots. There was Looting there was all sorts of shit and just ah step on card cops are racist. I'm watching this on the news Okay, I lived in midtown sacramento right where you know, this is like the heart of where this happened All the all the talking point heads got on tv and said, you know Sacramento is racist sacramento is racist and i'm watching the news and i'm like they haven't shown the cops I'm like, this is weird. They haven't shown and by the by the way, I was still pretty liberal at this time So I was like, hey, this is weird. They haven't shown the cops. I didn't show the cops So I googled it. 

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I couldn't find an answer I couldn't find who the cops were in the in the san Jose mercury, which is like, you know, san Jose to sacramento was pretty far It's like three hours away I found a picture of the cops one of the cops was black one of the cops was white The entire city turned this into like a race war one of the people that almost ran for mayor almost won for mayor She lost by like 200 votes This was her entire platform was the sacramento police were racist Two of the two cops shot this guy one's black one's white and the fable they've told about this shooting is is beyond a fable There's so many insane parts of this thing We don't have to get into it But the guy had like googled how to kill yourself the night before how to kill yourself by police Like he went to try to get killed by a cop anyone i've ever asked in sacramento So this is where like where all this insanity happened This is stephan clark if you want to look up the shooting I have never met anyone that knows stephan clark was killed by a black cop They all think it's killed by a white cop and to answer your how this has to do with your question is Zero people in the state are curious about anything Everyone is just led around by by just the fakest fake news ever and I hate to sound like trump But like it's all like like it is i'm surrounded by the dumbest f-ing people on the planet And that's kind of why I gave you that that walmart example, which is kind of a stupid story But the point of the story is like I feel like no one sees what's going on in this state Like everyone was just like oh, oh, there's always people taking a poop in front of me when I go Oh, this always happens, you know, like like i'm sure there's a version of this in new york as well That ain't how you put that but there's there's also over there's some absolutely but there's also a strong You know undercurrent of people that have woken up for this, right?

You have the trumpers you have i'm sure there's there's obviously plenty of trumpers in california granted. Yeah Yeah, but in california, but there's there's plenty of them there The only hope I could see is there's this dude named shiloh marks. Do you know this dude on twitter? Have you been following this guy at all? No, I don't know So this dude what he's done and I talked to him on the phone and the reason why I talked to him on the phone is I didn't understand what he's doing he's gone county to county in california and he's shown that the Exact amount of inactive ballots inactive ballots of people that have lived in the area and moved Their ballot stays inactive and it stays in the system Yeah, that is the exact amount that joe biden won by it like in 2020 And I told him it's like this sounds a little far fetched You're telling me like each county is in on this and he's like i'm not saying that but he's saying it's weird that these numbers Add up somebody's done. 

Speaker 1 
If you follow him on on x shiloh marks He he he's he's suing each county to get rid of these inactive voters And when I talked to him on the phone, I was like, what do you like? What do you think's happening with this and he's like he claims And again take everything with a grain of salt He claims that there's gonna be an insane red wave coming because everything's been suppressed like in california So I don't know the average california I talked to was the dumbest person or I live in roseville Which is again in placer county again by tahoe So i'm a little i'm skewed in the people I talk to everyone I talk to is into guns and I know that's that's nothing like the average californians don't like guns, you know I'm a huge gun guy That's one of the reasons why I went to the finny forum from my understanding.

Did you go to the year before? Did you go to the prior year? Uh, no, I didn't know so do you know that all the prior year? It was two years before yeah guns and bitcoin guns and because we had the benero topia conference happening at the same time in miami Ah, yeah. Yeah. Did you ever meet john mackafee since you're all in the manero space? Uh, I interviewed him years ago. I had I did a manero talk with him. That's so cool Yeah, cool. Yeah, so I mean obviously super long shot here. I appreciate your efforts. I do I do like your Your opinion on things. Um I don't know what your whole platform is, but I mean that video. Yeah, you're pointing out Uh, the the worst of these woke policies right what it's resulting in. Uh, we need to We need to absolutely Here's one thing i'm trying to say in that video, too What i'm trying to say is these are easy things and easy things like they can't even get right and if you look And I showed there I said I said, you know Who are these people that voted for this bill if you look at the people that put up the bill? These three lawyers these three assembly people they're all lawyers. I looked in the background They all went to like ucla for all these like elitist and I hate to sound like the mainstream news But all these elitist people they go to these schools and they like have these high-minded ideas They're so not the average person like i'm a veteran. I am a dude. I own guns like I am a californian. These people are pussies These people like go away to college and they have like dinner brought to them And they think they represent the people so i'm like I I assume stupidly. I know this was stupid I assumed like you know californian is missing. It's missing a californian, you know a dude wrong wrong everyone just like again, like I said gas will be 20 dollars and people will be like Did you hear what trump said about the gas being 20 dollars?

You know, like that's how stupid everyone is in the state. They're the dumbest people on the planet. So You know, I yeah I know that's I know that's not a winning strategy to to pop out about your constituents But at this point it's like I don't know what to say like like they're just fucking stupid Everyone in the state is stupid like, uh, you don't have to vote for me You get I I posted this under one of my comments Someone said,

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uh, you know, like do you really think that you're qualified to be to be governor? And I said, you know the bird that picks the uh, the super bowl over here You know, they have that bird that kind of like walks over He like poops a couple times and he like stops one place and he has like he has like a 60 average on uh On winning the super bowl. I said he's a better choice than me than nusim or me like Anyone's a better choice than what we have right now than any democrat in the state Like this state is just ran by psychopaths Psychopaths that hate white people and I hate to make this a race thing, but they fucking hate white people They hate them and we can get into all sorts of stuff about that, too They hate they hate capitalism. They hate white.

I hate using capital free market. They hate the free market. They hate white people. They hate everything like everything to them is just like Uh, you know minorities are the best thing in the world. Uh unions are the best thing. It's it's so Psychopathic how the state is run? The only reason why we're here the only reason why me and my wife are here My wife is indian her families are all here and they're nutty about family. So we're stuck With her family, which is cute. I love like how close they are with their family But if they weren't all close, you know, and my wife couldn't have a great job. I would be in arizona I'd be somewhere cool doing cool stuff.

You know, I would be out of here yesterday. I have a similar similar story Um, i'm stuck in the new york area because of family Uh, but yeah, there's there's a lot of reasons to want to leave Uh new york right now similar to to cali for sure for sure Especially about new york sit here. Um So I did one of those coding boot camps Do you know those like things where you go to like three or four months and you like learn to code like you learn like Bullstack development. So I did one of those in chicago. This one was for veterans Couldn't know being the scam but the story I want to ask you is so I had to ride the subway everything I'd ride the l into into uh into the downtown of chicago everyday And you guys have the subway there and every single so the first time I wrote it I wrote it every day for four months the first time I wrote it. I sat down after that. I never cut it down again There was piss on the seats. There was piss on the floor. It was just gross Is that what it's like in new york? Is it as bad as they show because in chicago it is awful Yeah, there's subway cars where you just can't walk you can't usually like oh, there's an empty car Let me jump in that one because all the others are packed. I mean there's a reason why that car is empty because there's either one or multiple People in there that you just cannot be within a hundred yards from because they're just you know, they're just defecating themselves Um, yeah, man. 

Speaker 1 
I mean things uh, there's things They've gotten a little bit better than what they were maybe, you know a year ago But the trajectory is still overall down and especially if this new guy gets into office It's just gonna be another step down in terms of quality of life here in new york um Let's let let's let's let's let's swing it. Yeah, let's swing it because we're almost an out We're almost an hour in here.

So I mean we should uh We should swing it back to crypto to manero things like that I mean so tell us a little bit like about your what is your crypto take so you went you went to that conference more for Because your connection to the guns and bitcoin thing, but I imagine Your your into crypto as well. I mean me I ran for congress in 2020. I was already You know very much a manero guy very much into the ethos into The host of trying to disrupt everything with cryptos um And then after running i'm like, why am I even attempting to? Battle the system head on Just focus on this amazing invention we have that's the best work around ever. You built xmart in the car, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I I mean that's amazing Yeah, well, I mean a developer built it was building it for me in archaeo. But yeah, i'm running the project Uh, but my point is I've I've doubled down on the optic out approach using manero using decentralized tech completely ignoring the system Building a parallel society outside of theirs because that's literally the only way we could potentially make a dent in this What's your overall take on that?

I mean, obviously you're out there. You're like, you know what? Let me just go. Let me just go fight the beast head on I did it myself. I put a ton of energy into it I know I know that's all and sometimes you feel like especially if it's in your home Like it's in your backyard, right? Like you just want to go out there and and literally fight and fight it off Um, but overall what what is your take on kind of the site cryptoanarchus? approach versus this Getting involved and trying to fight them head on politically and perfect story for you about this Apology was giving it speak in stories. So So, you know bology. Yes, he was giving a talk in san francisco um about a year ago and I was Touring around this idea of like I should really like really run for governor like really like you know I ever talk about and I was like i'm gonna go listen to bology have this have this talk So we go and it's at this like, um, it's actually in oakland And it's at this like warehouse in the middle of nowhere and I go and it's it's weird Everyone there's dressed like the matrix. I don't know what the hell this thing was and I got this email like out of nowhere It almost like the matrix like hey show up this thing and everyone's dressed all weird The very end of this thing bology gives this talk and what sucks is he's not there But he's doing a live thing like this But you can but he's like he's performing for all these people and he talks about bitcoin and why it's gonna like save the world And at the end of it,

Speaker 1 
you know, he's like i'll answer like a few questions, you know He's like who wants to come up and ask me a question? So I go up there and I was like apology. Yeah, i'm running for governor Um, hey, you know, could you follow me on twitter and help me like all all i'm thinking about maybe having like a little bit Of the bitcoin reserve in my thing and he just laughed he just laughs he goes. Oh Good one And then it was just on to the next guy so What you're saying right now is like yes, like like this is the progression that i'm that you went through That you know you you went through more gracefully, but i'm going through a little more painfully which did I would I would have definitely asked about manero obviously He's more of a z-cash guy.

I always hear him talking about I think z-cash right he talks about Yeah, and in his whole um, you know, this is what this wasn't a praise and apology and his whole uh network Take he talks about yurim a lot and I never understood what the hell that he does It's a smart guy and like I it upsets me that he like can't talk honestly and openly about manero He's kind of he's kind of you know part of that silicon valley crowd. Obviously for whatever reason they don't want to touch manero But but yes, so i've gone through the poor progression and then your question more to the your uh, Uh, sorry another story explanation. I if these stories aren't understand. I i'm sorry I had the greatest story in the whole world to tell you too late now. We are already an hour in So I hope the people are enjoying i've been enjoying the time with you man. Uh, you're definitely an interesting character Um, so yeah, just a different type of show, but go ahead do it So I mean i'll be honest like why i'm into manero Like like really honest is One day.

I mean this day is gonna turn into canada here. I'm gonna i'm gonna upload i'm gonna upload this video right here I'm gonna present i'm gonna give you guys this video Okay, and have you guys seen the video of justin trudeau talking about canada and guns? Have you guys seen that video? I don't know if I saw that one probably Next it's a point. This video is like hi Yeah Holding my daughter. There you go There's the campaign daughter right there. Let's see Oh, I know. I just gotta do the kiss. Can you guys see what's on my screen right now? Uh, are you presenting it? I'm flipping through i'm trying to find the right video. I just want to No, we can't see you anything. You have to hit the present button on your end and bring it up. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect Okay, here's the video There it is. Okay open destroying your guns

Speaker 3 
is just the first step towards taking away guns from everyone. But that's never going to happen because here in Canada, we have a culture that has grown up with guns and it respects the need.

From today forward, it is no longer legal to buy, sell, or transfer a handgun in Canada. Effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import, or use military-grade assault weapons in this country. 

Speaker 1 
So yeah, um, I mean that's uh, I mean In california, we have the registration you have to um, you know, I I have my concealed carry permit but it's Uh right now we have we are two best friends It costs them close to like two thousand dollars each to get their concealed carry permit, which you know It is in most states like arizona. It's free for it.

It's free It's called const. It literally is called constitutional carry in other states and people are probably like what's your fascination with guns? Here's another story lucifer vontel you'll love here's the greatest story ever you guys like this Remember I said I went hiking all the time. I'm an insane hiker one time. I went hiking over in sonoma Are you from over in sonoma county? Yes. Yeah, I know. I mean i've been i've only been to cali a little bit But yeah, I know Okay, so so like kind of like towards the water napa and water area I went hiking one night one day and this sounds like it sounds insane I see like I see like a trail and it's going like This way and I see trail going this way and one of them that's going this way is going to like into all these trees That have overgrown it and you can see that like this trail like no longer exists And I was like curious and this is like two in the afternoon I was like what's over there? Like is this I do that all the time. I'm sure we all kind of do a version I was like is this going anywhere? Is this interesting? So I look through it and you know, I get kind of all scratched up It's like a lot of tree a lot of old trees I push through and I push through After a couple minutes I come into this area and it's all these redwoods like everywhere Like as far as the eye can see and i'm in this canopy of redwoods and I keep walking There's kind of now I find like this trail I keep walking and walking and walking and all of a sudden I find this house in the middle of nowhere House in the middle of the woods and it's like completely taken care of like there's plumbing and you could tell it's like It's running to like a stream. You could tell you kind of like jerryrigged the whole thing He has like this hose running to a stream for his like toilet And it's beautiful and I realized like I kind of put the story in my head I'm assuming is like this is someone who's like trying to like opt out like live off the grid So I was like, oh my god, like this is so cool. And he wasn't there Thank god And he like decorated the whole place and he had these like swings hanging from like the top of this redwood And I just like sat there in this area and no crap. Remember I told you it was like two It was like 10 p.m When I realized oh god, I gotta get out of here I've been hanging out in this dude's like house like exploring. I don't know if he had not been there in 20 years I don't know if he was gonna come back that night, but It was the most beautiful area I've ever seen So I had to hike out and the hike out took about an hour to hike out within the first few minutes I heard this noise I heard and I was like, oh my god What the hell is that? 

Speaker 1 
And my brain went to like mountain line because that's what you hear on the beach And I was like, oh my god, is that a mountain line? And it's going and it's like breaking these branches next to me and it's pitch black again at 10 at night And it's you know It's kind of towards the coast And I had to hike out the entire time in the entire time that Almost to the last like very end where there was trees when the trees kind of stopped it like stopped following me Now very it very well could have been a deer I got to my car And my heart was just racing and I remember saying I said it out loud like this movie and I was like I'm going to buy a gun.

I just yelled at I'd never owned a gun before that So I went and I bought a gun the next day had to wait 10 days My point in telling that story is you know, I learned I learned the hard way luckily not the extreme hard way I learned the hard way the value of self-protection and to me I realized and that was like a That was one of the greatest moments of my life is like, you know When you change your mind about something I was probably against guns before that You know, I probably if you asked me before that way out of guns I'd have been like they kill people, you know, so That was life-changing to me these two dudes who went out in El Dorado County a few months ago. They got killed one of them got killed by a mountain lion It was twin brothers and the other brother ran away in time and lived Why am I telling you all this?

I'm I'm a huge gun guy I realized like guns are like One of the one of the things that make this country great probably the probably the biggest thing that make this country great I I don't know if it's controversial in the Monero community. I I assume it's not but um, yeah, it's a lot of overlap Monero, you know not that I legally Say this not that i've ever done anything But you know I want to have the option if something ever goes south To somehow get a hold of guns if they if they ban them in this state, you know So Monero is kind of that opt-out option.

I know that's kind of a It know, a prepper kind of stance towards it. But oh, no, I mean, a lot a lot of people, you know, compare, you know, Banero is kind of like a digital, a digital gun, right? A digital digital version of a gun, right? It protects you in other ways, right?

It's doesn't physically defend yourself, but through encryption and through the protocol, you can obscure the usage of your money, which, in effect, gives you a different type of protection, but a lot, but against the same, you know, against criminals that want to come come and attack you, but also against tyranny and against the government, right? And ultimately, that's, that's the real I mean, I assume you believe in that power of the gun as well, right? With the Second Amendment, not just for purposes of defending yourself from a mountain lion, but potentially defending yourself from tyranny if it's knocking out your door. 

Speaker 1 
Well, tell me how controversial you want me to go in. I can go all the way, but no, I mean, this is you say you're learning, right? Your words are not my words, which was for anybody listening. But I'll go all the way controversial here and bear with me.

Okay, this is like this is something that like everyone's going to like freak out if I start talking about this, but just bear with all right. This vids his words and you know, people come on there and I'll talk, they say things. Sure. So again, bear with me. This state, what they want you to believe is that white people are hunting everyone. That's what they want you to believe in this state. They want you to, they want you to think that white people are murdering everyone. So that's kind of like the round they use to get guns. Okay. Me, this state has 39 million people, 39 million. The attorney general every year releases a thing that says, who does all the crime? Who does all the rape? Who does all the robbery? Me, Vince Lundgren, I'm the only person in this entire state that went onto the state report and pulled down all of the stats and made a chart and posted on Twitter and said, Hey, it's not white people doing one, 100th of what's going on.

And I'll, I'll give you guys a chart right now. And I took it from, I took it from the attorney general's thing, which I will give the link to. I'll put it in the, um, I know you're joking. I was joking with you too. Um, uh, I'm going to show you what's really going on. And the reason why I do this is just like the thing where with my wife where they want to say like, Hey, you know, white people are oppressing you. We need to learn about white oppressors. It's what, and this has to do with your mom dummy guy too. Okay. You suffer no consequences in any of these states or things for saying white people are evil, white people, he's already doing this thing. I want to take white property. You suffer no consequences. So why would you not just keep doing it? Like if I, if, if I was smart, I'd run as a black guy in this state and I'd say white people are coming for you. I do it in the, you know, obviously can't just do it like that. You do it in a more charismatic way. You suffer zero consequences for saying this bullshit. So here, I want you guys to see this in this, if you're saying this should blow your mind, what's really going on.

And on top of that, what I'll, what I'll tell you is wait, before I even get there, I'm going to tell you this, this is what's really going to blow your mind. So Sacramento, so I, I work, I work big to small liberals work small to big, you know, if this, this isn't funny, but it's a way to think about how liberals think of your house is on fire. You know, they're caring about your bed. Like, there's a bed made, we have to do this thing. And it's like a house on fire. When you get the fuck out of here, like your bed. So I worked big to smile. 

Speaker 1 
I like to get, get out of the house. So I live in, I lived in Sacramento for many years during the height of wokeness. I said, you know, with the whole George Floyd thing, I said, Hey, what I'm seeing on the news, like the local TV, isn't matching what I'm being told is that white people are coming and hunting everyone. Okay. And this isn't a race thing.

As much as it has the valence, a race, it's not race. This is a, this is a Manero truth thing. So what I did, and no one in the entire country did this, you think that entire country would do this, I did a public records request of the Sacramento police department. And I said, give me all of your homicides in the last four years. And I said, give me every single race of the perpetrator and suspect. Okay. And what I'll do is I put them into chad GBT because the field, it was like, it was like 10,000 field big of, um, of an Excel document. So I had to put this in chad GBT. And I said, Hey, segregate this by which race committed what on what race, the numbers are mind blowing the, remember, this is the capital of California, which is the biggest, one of the biggest, um, uh, economic powerhouses in the world. Like we are kind of like the forefront of the world, kind of like New York, just like New York. So you'd want to know like, Hey, this is kind of a microcosm of what's happening. So here, I'm going to present to you guys this stuff. Again, it's so weird. The entire country could be looking into this stuff. I looked into it and this isn't because I, I hate black people or I'm pro white or anything like that. I'm just pro truth.

And I want to use this data white gear or years. So this is from 2000. This is from 2020 to 2024. And I tried to go back further and the people I did the public records request is like, Hey, you're giving us too much like work. Like, can you like narrow it down? So they said, let's just do four years. So here, I'm going to show you four years of, of, uh, here, let's start with, um, let's see what you, this is homicides. Okay. So watch this. 

Speaker 2 
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Speaker 1 
So yeah, check that out. So and again, you put this together for your for your campaign or this is just you just don't want to get this. Now, this was I did this on my own because oh, I could get into why I did this on my own. I wanted to know who was doing what in this town. OK, so this is this is homicides for four years. Actually, four years and some change of what's going on in Sacramento. And this will blow your mind. The one white on black homicide. So they had the dates connected to these. So you can look at the actual dates and see like what happened. I was like curious. I was like, oh, shit. So there's one. What did this guy do? I found the story for it. The story for it. And I found it on the news. A black guy, a white guy went over to the black guy who was playing his music loud and said, hey, can you turn it down? The black guy ran him over with his car and the white guy shot him in self defense and killed him. That was the one white on black murder.

The black on white murders. One of them is this is going to sound insane. One of them, a black guy raped a girl and then hung her in the American River bike trails. Hunger, a lynching, where if this was reversed, this would be national news. And again, why am I, why am I focused on these things? I sound like a raving lunatic focus on these things. If it's the data, I mean, this is important data for given the policies that they're trying to. Exactly. And then you can imagine how deranged I got when I see that my wife has to take training on white people being evil. It's like, and here's the deal. If white people are doing this, what we're being told, then I want to march with you. I want to support you. I don't want you to be feel attacked when it's the exact opposite. And we're being told that white people are doing all this. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Like, like, I feel like I, like, I don't know how to feel about that. Like, like, like, imagine everyone's just lying to you. So here, let me, let me, I'm just going to, I'll, I'll move a little bit quicker now. Let me show you. So here's sexual assaults in Sacramento. And then I'm going to show you. So if you, if your biggest things that you should worry about for the city is murder, rape, robbery, like, I mean, it's just working big to small, you know, not that any of those are small, but you know, other things like arson, those are all important, but okay. And then here's robbery. And so, as you can see, white people are the most, most raped people in Sacramento from other races. And, and then here, you can go on the next slide. I mean, you can kind of go through it quick. And the next one is robberies. And again, white people are the most robbed. Again, I don't care. I'm not pro white, not one of these pro white accounts. All I'm, all I'm into is truth. And I'm like, wait a second. So if you go to the Sacramento state council meetings, we go anywhere. The whole thing is like, they do like a land acknowledgement. And they're like, you know, white people are coming for us. White people are coming for us. 

Speaker 1 
But then when you look at the data, it's like, what the fuck? This is the data. Like, this is what's really going on. And no one cares.

So like, I don't know. I think. Yeah, yeah. No, it's important to get this information out there. The data is out there because the policies that the woke left is looking to implement, especially when they talk about, you know, eliminating the police or, you know, constantly bring race, racism into the arguments and saying that, you know, the police are being racist against certain, as opposed to looking at the crimes and just realizing that, you know, in most cases, the police are just doing their job and that the people that happen to be involved in the altercations are of certain certain races. And by the way, obviously, it's obviously it has to be done in an artful way. And what needs to be realized that a lot of this is, you know, it's it's really social, you know, it's people coming from different it's really, you know, you need to analyze this now too, in terms of like wealth, right? And poverty, right? What percentage of what percentage of, you know, of robberies are done by, you know, extremely poor people versus wealthy people, right? And then that that's, that's really how things need to be looked at instead of race so that they're done in a non racial way.

And then we tackle those. I mean, that that, you know, I think that's the kind of the better way to kind of try to solve these problems. But yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty wild. So I mean, what was so what, what, I don't know, we've been here over an hour, 15, I can begin talking about the policies that you'd want to implement, you'll like this gutter and yeah, you'll like this. So, so all the exactly what you're talking about, for once, I'm not going to tell a story. So what you're saying here is you're saying we need to not base policies on flawed data.

And another way of saying that is if you're going to you're building a five bedroom house, it's just gonna fall like, like, things need to match up here. So if our policies are that white people are out hunting, black people, which, you know, you're teaching my wife in pharmacy school, and other things are going on, you know, maybe, maybe things can be reached, maybe things can be changed. So that's kind of my whole thing is like, let's just go off data. If it's painful, you know, I'm willing to be honest, there's only this is how the arguments need to be made, right? This is the pictures that need to be painted 100% so that people realize that it's, you know, not that I duty, it's not that the police are all racist, but it's that the police are fighting crime. And, and to say it like a Monero type thing, you know, I'm, I'm only a fan of the police in America, because we're not giving, you know, we're not given a true, if there was like frontier justice here, like, we wouldn't have to defer to the police. 

Speaker 1 
And we're not trying to bad mouth police, I'm trying to say is like, I'm kind of forced to respect police, which I do here in America. But in other countries, like you have an England where you know, they just come for your gun, like if you have a gun, they'll be arrested. If you have a knife, you'll be arrested. They have knife, you have knife checkpoints, you know, so like, I'm not blind to the fact of, of like a police state type thing, you know, I don't want that either.

But what we, what we have in this country is we have extremes. And when you have one extreme of deep on the police, what you're gonna get is the exact opposite of too much police. And if someone's just being honest, you know, there was only one guy who was ever ran for Congress or anything, he's done anything like what I did, shown kind of charts like this name was Blake Masters, he ran for Arizona Senate, he got laughed out lately, you can't talk about I added one more chart here. So this is the Attorney General's chart. He just so this is a perfect, perfect thing. This is a final screenshot. I just, we know if you're able to click on that one. It's a one chart. Okay, so the Attorney General of California, every single year, he releases three reports, he releases crime in California, homicide in California, and releases hate crime in California. And they all come around like August, July timeframe, somewhere around there. And I always like, pour into the data. And this is this is, this is the, I took this from the crime one. And I segregated out homicide, rape, robbery. Now this one isn't who commits what on who this is just who commits what. And the only reason why I did this, and I posted this on Twitter, and I got a little bit of buzz, they got like, I think like five or 10 retweets, which isn't much. But the only reason why, why I wanted to talk about this is our Attorney General, the same day all this was released, he went on the news and talked about hate crimes in California.

And he's like, they're up. They're up. You know, he always he does this every year, he goes, hate crime, he is taking over the state. Well, I would argue, you know, and if you look at the hate crimes, like, if you're a nerd, and you look at the statistics like me, and the only reason I do this is because I'm forced to, most of them are like name calling and stuff like that. But I don't want to I don't want to demean anyone who's had a hate crime perpetrated against them. What I'm saying is, if you had a kid, would you want them called a racist word or we want them to be alive? Now you can segregate out crime versus hate crimes. I don't give a F, you know, if someone called my daughter a name, as long as she's alive, you know what I mean?

So if we're talking about hate crimes, hate crimes and crime, they have to go together in terms of like totals. So like, it's not like it's not like, let's say a murder happened, that was a hate crime, right? That still gets counted in the totals here of homicides. So what I'm saying is, I don't know if I'm being clear on this, look at the totals. 

Speaker 1 
Like, who is doing all the crime? It's not white people. And this entire state is ran by people who who either think white people are or they're saying it. I don't know which is worse.

It's Adam Carolla calls it stupid or liar. Like, are you stupid? And you know what's going on? Or you're just lying, which is even worse? Like, which one's worse? So again, 36, 39 million people in the state. I'm the only one that made this chart. And I used Claude to make it, by the way, like, I'm not, I'm not some expert that like really, I mean, you know, we don't know these numbers are completely right. Like, I'm just saying like the bottom there. Yeah. So for people, Oh, what I think I'd like to see here's now this is my grandpa is Mexican, my grandpa is Hispanic. So this shows like, I'm trying not to have any bias here. California and New York are the only state surprisingly, that separate Hispanic, separate out Hispanic from white. When you look at like the FBI numbers, those are all one number. So when you see like white, it's, it's white and Hispanic. And it's weird is and I'm sure have you seen the New York number?

So you're seeing one of those New York tables of who commits all the homicide in New York? I'm sure at some point. Yes. So it's, and I will send you the it's a I will send you the link because it'll blow your mind. It's all black and it's all Hispanic. And it's like 2% white. And the reason why I mentioned that is on all these numbers, your raw numbers, you have whites committing 16% of homicide, 21% of rape. Yeah, then you and what's important too, is you look at the population totals too, like, you know, obviously, yeah, it's percentage of population, right? So you got to look at that as well. But yeah, man, I mean, all right, so Yeah, I know I've gone in the weeds in this. Yeah, you guys are the weeds. This is what your passion is. Some of those things you're trying to expose. You're trying to get the data out there. Just like holding an intel. I just know the truth. I don't give an F what the truth is. I just want to know the truth. I just want to give these woke policies that are being implemented. Meanwhile, it's kind of seemingly... And by the way, implement them. If white people are committing all the homicide, rape, and robbery, implement them. I don't want people to die, so implement them to your heart's content. But when the truth shows the exact opposite, then I start getting terrified.

This is like some 1984 level stuff. It's like, wait, wait, this thing that we're not allowed to talk about the exact opposite. Imagine if Mondami, so you have your... Let me do that right here. Go ahead. What's that? I am a Mondami guy. No, I'm definitely... All right, I said imagine. Okay, so Mondami right now. He suffers zero career. Nothing bad for saying like, hey, white people, we're going to take away their houses or whatever in whatever form he said it. Okay, that is like, you know, it's pretty racist. Here, I'm just presenting data, which are numbers, which come from the California government. 

Speaker 1 
Can you imagine if this was like mainstream? If your show was like, was like millions of people were watching it, I'd be fucking like, there'd be fucking riots outside right now. Like, excuse my language. You know how that's supposed to be happening. And this is just, this is numbers. And this is numbers from the California government, which I'm shocked that they released these numbers. So I don't even know what to think about this. Like, I think about this chart all the time. You know, this chart comes out every year and it's almost identical every year. It's terrifying.

And again, how's that does with Monero? Like, we can't even be honest about what's happening. Dude, you have to opt out. Like, I love the whole Monero thing. That's why I was over at the conference. Like, hey, how do I opt out? I sound like a cop because I'm like asking everyone like, how do you do this? How do you do this? How do you do this? I look like, you know, so. And again, this isn't this isn't stuff that's like good dinner conversation. You look like you look like a jerk. Not you. One looks like a jerk if you start talking about this stuff. So I don't know. No, I know. It's it's a tough. It's a tough road to go down. I do think a lot of this if you know, a lot of information is getting out there these days on X and whatnot. People are obviously there's a lot of, you know, such a ship. There's a lot of echo chambers. The people on the left are only hearing things up from the left. The people on the right are only hearing things from the right. Libertarians are only hearing the libertarian viewpoint. So you got that battle and people feel like they're making progress and they feel like they're getting information out there, but it's really they're just in their own echo chamber and it never really goes beyond that.

And everybody's in their silos. Everybody's in their silos. Do me a quick favor. Click on that link. I just sent you and just scroll down to page page 16, just because I never trust anyone here. Like, just just back check me. Here's a live fact check and scroll down to page 16. This is from New York's. This is from the New York Police Department right here. It's almost identical to what's happening in Sacramento and you can scroll through. They have rape robbery. They have everything in there. And kind of my whole thing is like, you have Mondami going in there and going like, you know, like saying, saying literally he's, he's professing to people that chart is in Bergen. He's like, no, here's what's really going on. Can you imagine if someone showed that chart, if you showed that chart to anyone in New York, you'd be, you'd be chased out of New York and that chart is just.

This information does get out. I don't know. I see these types of things, but I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. Okay. And that don't get me to death. Yeah. No, I apologize. I'm just, I just really think about it a lot. 

Speaker 1 
No, I know. It's, it's kind of a, it's a revelation. You know, it's what you're, it's where that fire of the belly is coming from. Right. You're seeing, um, a lot of hypocrisy out there, brainwashing, um, and people ignoring the data and creating policies that are ignoring the data and that everything, everything is backwards, right?

And things don't, and, and this, you know, they're, they're, they're the side that's making it racist. Like the, the woke ism is the, are the racist policies, right? As opposed to just focusing on zooming out and being like, okay, we have crime. We have rampant drug use. We have this, we need to fix these problems. We don't care what race people are. We don't care who's what let's, let's, let's lower the murder rate. Let's lower the amount of people that are getting raped, right? We don't care what, what, what race they are, but we need to implement whatever. We need to give more resources to a certain area, whatever it may be. Um, but we need to tackle these issues, not then implement policies that are even more woke that end up even leading to more of this stuff, um, because it just further breaks the system to the point where you have governments handing out essentially needles and paraphernalia and like drugs for people to live off of, which is like completely ass backwards to what the government and the state is supposed to be doing, if anything, right?

Like I'm very much an anarchist, you know, crypto anarchist, you know, libertarian, minimal government. Let's minimize them as much as possible. But the few things, you know, it should do is provide security at a basic level in a, in a fair way, but, uh, if we're giving tax dollars to something, it should be for security for all. So we can live in a safe society, let people freely associate, come together, free market, but the state needs to, if they're going to provide anything, at least provide us safety in our, in our communities.

And if you're going to defund the police, okay, then let me have my gun. Like, like, okay, like, right. Let's, let's, let's, let's work both ways here. Let us defend ourselves free. Let me defend myself. Don't add policies. Then I'll take away our ability to re-offend ourselves and make that a racial thing. Uh, yeah, man, no, I am, you're, you're, you're putting out some good information, uh, obviously be a hell of a, hell of a journey if you're actually going to try to be competitive there, the governor race.

Uh, but I, I respect the fact that you're, you got this fire in the belly. Uh, I don't know, man, what do you want to put information out where people could can find you if they, my website, rinse for California.com. Um, I'll say that, you know, what's funny is the donation provider said they accept Bitcoin. So you have to use a official political donation company when you do this stuff. And I chose this company called Anadot because they do, uh, they take, they said they take crypto. 

Speaker 1 
Could not figure out how to connect Bitcoin to it. Like, and I didn't, I didn't expect to get any, but I, I just thought that'd be cool at the very least, you know, Hey, you lose that. So you just, you just accept Monero donations directly. You obviously just got to make sure you're, if you're, you know, you got to file things properly, but it's accepting cash. Correct.

Um, yeah, I didn't even hire a treasurer. I did this all myself though. I won't lie. I'm, I'm mildly scared of like how to do anything wrong. Like, so what I'm trying to do, as much as everyone thinks I'm a cop, I'm scared to death, like anyways, you know, your little intricacies done. Right. I will say this, um, like three years. So I have, I have a 15 point plan on my website. There's like about me, then there's like, um, there's like my plan. And then in my plan, like five of the things that I like when I, so I've been running for a few months now, five of the things that were, uh, part of my plan have already happened.

And I feel like before they happened, they were like, what is this thing? I'll, I'll even tell you a couple of them. Like one of them was, um, uh, Oh, thanks, man. You got to vote. I don't know if, but I don't think he's in California, but if he was, Oh, uh, if your name is really Lucifer, all right, that's the, you're backed by Luca your first endorsement Lucifer. Um, the, uh, so like a couple of things that I was advocating for it, they sound a little nutty, but they already happened. So I'll tell you one of, so everyone always like, this is a thing in California, I don't know if you've heard this in New York, a big thing in California goes with a fifth largest economy in the world, fifth largest economy, it's, it's, it's like, it comes out of every liberal's mouth and they use it kind of like as a little like bat to beat you down with to go like, Hey, look, our policies work. So I posted on there, I said, Hey, let's make us the fourth largest economy. And that was before, and then we became the fourth largest economy.

And the only reason why we became the fourth largest economies, it was like India or Japan, it was one of them that was like above us. They lost money. It's not like we gained money. It's not like some great policies happen in California. And we were like, we're, we're that much greater is everything here is we fail. Well, like my joke about Gavin Newsom is imagine if Apple released an iPhone and this, let's say it's 20, the iPhone comes out here in October, September, October. Let's say this new iPhone came and it's missing the screens cracked. So everyone, the new phone, it comes crack and you're like, okay. And then next year it comes in the phone and text doesn't work. And you go, okay. And then the board is sitting there and they're like, Hmm, should we get rid of Tim Cook? If it, if it was ran by, if California, if Apple is ran by California, it would say, Oh my God, let's rehire, let's make him president of Facebook. 

Speaker 1 
You know, that's how stupid Californians are. I know that's kind of a weird roundabout story, but that's how bad everything is ran here is like, you can only fail up. Like everything is worse. Crime, crime is through the roof. Homelessness is through the roof. And by the way, all things that they just thrown money at and everything's worse.

So I'm sorry, I got a little up thing there, but back to my, like the things that I predicted that I predict. Oh, I also said, I said, well, we should do with Hollywood. I wanted you a little bit different than Gavin. Everyone comes to California. Have you been to Hollywood before Douglas? No, I have not. Okay. You are so lucky because the picture you have in your head, I'm sure to some degree is of the cool Hill and good looking people. There is all it is is homeless and druggies and science. That's all it's in the Holly. So all I am, all I feel bad for is, you know, you got your, your Chinese person who's visiting is like, Oh my God, finally Hollywood. And it's just like some homeless dude taking a dump. And you're like, Oh wow. Like this is what I came across the world to see Hollywood. You know, we need to bring back tourism in the state. So we need to clean Hollywood up.

That was like one of my big things. And that's what Newsom saying now is like, Hey, we're going to do all these dumb subsidies. I wanted to work backwards from like the actual town of Hollywood and kind of bring back its charm for, you know, tourism is a big, why don't you, why don't you try to get involved locally, you know, get it like on your town boat, run for local town board, you know, um, local. So I live in Roseville. It is ran perfectly. Like, like, all I could do is mess it up. Like, like, I wish I could show you. So right here, I have the blur effect. I'll turn off the blur effect. Let's see, uh, right virtual background. And so I don't know if you can see this or if there's too many. So what's funny is this is a 2020 MacBook M1 and it's the exact same camp, those cheap passes at Apple use the exact same camera that was in my 2012 right now, but let's see if you can see this. So backyard kind of looks like a prison, but, uh, anyways, on the other side of there is a giant field and they're building, I don't know, thousands of houses, they're building a new university and they're building this college and in Roseville, they have their heads, they're pro business and they're pro veterans.

So their whole thing is like, let's build, let's, let's make some money. So everyone in the world is trying, everyone in California is trying to move to Roseville where I live. So my kind of joke is I would only screw it up. You know what I mean? Like, I love what they do here. So I would love to run or something like that, but then it would just be like a band of the campaign. Like, Oh, I could do this better, but I don't be right. And I don't know anything about, I'll be honest. I don't know anything about building. And I know that makes me sound like, uh, kind of inept or whatever, but I mean, Gavin Newsom is the dumbest dude on the, he's a himbo. 

Speaker 1 
If you ever hear him talk, you know, there's a video of him where these gangs, uh, robbed this train car. I'm sure you've seen this video, this Amtrak train car. And he goes, God, we need to get ahold of these gangs in town. And he goes, I'm sorry for using that word. These people that are, I mean, like we apologize if you're using the word gang. These are all things that Fox news, like, like I just watched and just, oh, I'm like, all you have to do is repeat this forever and you'll win, but you, you just move on to whatever stupid thing, you know, who knows what you people are into.

So, uh, yeah, or if you lose my plan, my plan, uh, kind of like everything laid out of like how I would fix this state. Um, I'm interested to hear in a Monero thing. I I'll be honest. I won't lie to you. I, I didn't have any kind of Monero that I don't want to lie, but what, what is something, but cause if I put something Monero in there, even though I have no followers over them, Lucifer people, it would be laughed. It would be laughed off right away. And I don't mean that as an insult to me. I meant like, I I'm not, I'm not trying to like, like I'd ideally here's an example. I'd ideally like through to. But what I said and my thing is, since I'm running as an independent, as I said, anyone that's paid property taxes for X amount of years, they can get them cut in half. So I would do everything kind of slowly. This is just kind of get, because if you just say I'm getting rid of property taxes, it's great. People just get rid of capital gains tax. Yeah. Everyone writes you up as a crazy libertarian, which I love. It's a thing that I have to do like slowly. So I wrote like a couple of very slow policies in there to kind of get the ball movement. But what is a Monero type thing that you would suggest?

Getting rid of capital gains tax on all crypto transactions. What I would like to know, it's a great point. How the hell are we supposed to spend, and I had talked about, now I can ask this again. How the hell are we supposed to spend Bitcoin or Monero? It terrifies me to ever spend. I haven't spent any of it because I'm just like, how do you do the taxes? Because especially with the blockchain, and obviously not Monero, but with the blockchain, they're probably just sitting there going like, oh my God, it's the perfect way to track taxes. We're going to screw you over, and someone needs to invent some kind of app where you just put all of your stuff in. So any time you spend any kind of Bitcoin or Monero, instantly it prints up a tax receipt that you can just send off, you could have it all aggregated.

There's software like that. There's things like that. There is. At the end of the year, but I get scared at the end of the year. I mean, obviously, with Monero, it's like cash, right? So obviously pay your tax. It makes you have a node. But it's not Bitcoin, right? Right. So well, you've been more than generous with your time. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you, man. Yeah. You know, I think it's cool. You jumped up. 

Speaker 1 
Very cool. It was, you know, nice meeting you at the Finney Forum. I think it takes a lot to put yourself out there, even if you have no shot in hell. It takes a lot to like do it, put the policies together, have the gumption, put your face to it. So kudos to you, man. I wish you luck.

I hope something comes out of it. And honestly, maybe after this, you devote time towards the, you know, the cypherpunk method, the cryptoanarchist method of just building, opting out. Well, you know, you know, with our realization, what's that? It's the grieving process. You have to go through the steps. And I'm at the step that you were where you ran. And the next step is, is the acceptance.

I guess like agorism, is that what you guys call it? Or anarchism type thing. Yeah, I'm assuming it's the next step. All right, buddy. I will let you know. Hey, everyone. Thanks. Do you want to put out your website or anything? Or just mention it's for California.com. It's just more nonsense I'm spouting here. And if you have any suggestions, tell me anything. Like, I'm happy to hear it. I have more stories I could tell you all that you guys would love, but I won't bore you. Hope some of these have been interesting.

Oh, one final thing. It was final one to take me out. You will love this. I saw David, David Goggins came to Sacramento. This is like a year ago. When was that? It was like two years ago. So he came to Sacramento and he's doing some workout thing. And I was going to go up to him and I was, I had this whole thing in my head. I'm going to go up to him and be like, Hey, she's meeting. Here's you go. Oh my God. So, uh, he's doing this like workout thing and he's running with like a hundred people and they're all around him. There's a big crowd. So like, so I just went over to him. I was like, he did it. Another one letter. Well, so I was like, Hey, uh, I was in butts with you. And he goes, he looks at me and he goes, I remember you. And I could tell he's lying. Like he's fully just being nice. He's like, how are you doing, man? He's like, did you make it through? That's totally right there. He didn't remember me. So I was like, nah, I got injured. And he's like, all right, man. Good to see you. It was like ticked off. But that was, uh, that was my big interaction with David Goggins after 20 years.

That is funny. All right, brother. All right, dude. Good luck and I'll see you. Yeah, I'll see you around. I'm sure. Come down to Monarotopia. Come down to Monarotopia in February. Hell yeah. Yeah. Elliott, I'm in. Awesome. All right, then. I did. Thank you. Good luck. Adios. 

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