Speaker 1:
<silence> Welcome back to the quote, delayed. My name's Scott, and I am joined today by my friend Suzanne Bates. Welcome.
Speaker 2:
Hi, Scott. Great to be here.
Speaker 1:
Thanks. I'm, I'm glad you made, we've been talking about this for about, ooh, seven months now, actually. Probably, yeah. Yes, last October. I remember. Yeah. So I'm excited to talk to you today, but before we get started, we're, we're gonna talk, well, I'll let you introduce what we're gonna talk about because Okay. I kind of gave the ball to you, and you have some great things to talk about, but before we do that, tell us who you are. Introduce yourself.
Speaker 2:
Um, thanks. Thank you for having me again. I, so, my name is Suzanne Bates, and I'm actually, I, I went to school. I got a degree in nursing from Weber. Um, so I'm a nurse. So professionally speaking, I've been a nurse. I've been a critical care nurse. Um, but my journey really evolved and, and I'm currently a traditional naturopath and an iridologist, which is someone who evaluates the iris to see which body systems need support and help. And I'm also a master herbalist, so I teach Master Herbalist certification courses, and I have my own courses about gardening and organic gardening and a book that's coming out.
Speaker 1:
When's that coming out?
Speaker 2:
And so next month.
Speaker 1:
Oh, really?
Speaker 2:
Yeah. It's called the Stress Relief Garden.
Speaker 1:
Well, I remember being at your house last October. You had herbs everywhere.
Speaker 2:
I know. It's true. <laugh>. I'm obsessed with herbs. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
I'm
Speaker 2:
Obsessed with herbs. Yeah. I love herbs.
Speaker 1:
Um, so what did you Iridology?
Speaker 2:
Iridology? Yeah.
Speaker 1:
I've, you know, I had never heard of that.
Speaker 2:
I know. I never had heard of that either. And I thought it was just,
Speaker 1:
Do you look at the iris with a microscope or something? Or what do you do?
Speaker 2:
So you look at the iris, uh, with, um, you can do it with specialized cameras, or you can just do it with, um, other basic equipment. You don't need specialized cameras. But yes, the, the iris will tell you a lot about what's going on in the body, just because you've got all of these nerves connected to the organs and body systems, and they all are reflected in the eye. So the eyes, kind of like the history of
Speaker 1:
Your
Speaker 2:
Body. How
Speaker 1:
Long, how long has that been a practice? I had never heard of that before.
Speaker 2:
<laugh>, do you know? Easily 50, 75.
Speaker 1:
Really?
Speaker 2:
Years. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Interesting. And
Speaker 2:
It's just become more and more popular because people want something alternative to,
To help them with their health. And I thought it was not real from a medical perspective. I thought all of this crap was not real until I became life threateningly ill, and it was actually not medicine that helped me particular, it was natural health. And I learned about iridology. Uh, I went back to school and it was incredible to just learn about it. And then I tried it. And then I had clients come in, and what I saw in the eye was corroborated with their blood work and their other tests that were done. Hmm. In medical setting
Speaker 1:
Settings.
Speaker 2:
Maybe we
Speaker 1:
Need to have another podcast episode about that sometime. It's amazing. Fascinating.
Speaker 2:
It is. It is very fascinating. Yeah. It, it takes seven years for the human iris to develop after birth. That's how special it is.
Speaker 1:
It takes seven years.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
Now the iris is the color part of your eye. Yes.
Speaker 2:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah. So you,
Speaker 1:
So when you say develop, what do you mean by develop?
Speaker 2:
Uh, I would just mean that it takes seven years for all of the parts of the iris to actually be working together and fully developed. So there's parts that are premature, basically working, but it takes seven years for the iris to completely work the way it should.
Speaker 1:
So the eye is just not for seeing.
Speaker 2:
Oh, man.
Speaker 1:
I heard, where did I hear it? I don't remember where I heard it.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. That
Speaker 1:
The, that the eyeball is actually part of your brain.
Speaker 2:
It is.
Speaker 1:
And it's, it's not just a, just your brain squeezed through a little <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Your eyeball is significant in, um, just a myriad of ways. Your eyeball is one of those things that once you study it, people that study it often will just go from being atheist to believing in God. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Because it's just so intricate and it shouldn't work. When you look at it laid out, there's no way that it should actually work and function. And yet most of us are not born blind. Right. Most of us
Speaker 1:
Have
Speaker 2:
Yeah. A working iris.
Speaker 1:
Hmm. That's fascinating. Yeah. And it's adapted. And we're gonna talk about this a little bit 'cause we're here to talk about light.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. And the eye is definitely a part of that story. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Interesting. And it's interesting, we don't have to talk about this right now. Maybe we don't talk about it this episode at all, but it's just fascinating to me how our eyes have developed to, um, register only a certain part of the spectrum.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
Can you imagine if it registered everything? We probably wouldn't be able to, it
Speaker 2:
Would blind us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
We wouldn't be able to do anything.
Speaker 2:
No.
Speaker 1:
Everything would be all in front of us all the time. Right. Wow.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Crazy.
Speaker 2:
Crazy.
Speaker 1:
Well, so we, we want to talk about light today and Yeah. And I don't know exactly what we're gonna talk about. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm gonna
Speaker 2:
Surprise you with some great things,
Speaker 1:
Scott. Okay. You're
Speaker 2:
Gonna love it.
Speaker 1:
Well, I am going to turn it over to you. Yeah. And I'm gonna be a student.
Speaker 2:
Okay. That sounds great. Well, for me, light, uh, became something of interest to me when, when I had a near death experience in 2017, um, I had shingles in my ear. I was given a lot of pain medication and medication for dizziness. And all of it worked together. And I stopped breathing. And I know that because I rose above my body and I rose above my home, and I continued rising into the sky. And there was an angel made of just the most incredible light to my right. As I was above my body, I could see that angel right next to me. And it was a guide. It took that angel took me into the air above my home, above my city, above my state, till I reached above the earth, basically. And I was shown the most incredible things that, things that just I couldn't have ever imagined were real, that were happening. And it was the most incredible love that I'd ever remembered feeling. I'd never remembered feeling so adored. I don't think love comes close to what I felt. I, it was full acceptance of me, full, a hundred percent
Speaker 1:
Acceptance of
Speaker 2:
Me by
Speaker 1:
The angel, by
Speaker 2:
The angel, by the, by the darkness that was there. It, the darkness was kind of like a soft, velvety, um, love that it was also giving love to me. That the feeling of love was so strong that I almost felt like I was a part of it. It was like it was. And I think other people with near death experiences will often say they don't really have the words to describe what they saw or experienced. But for me, the importance of this was that I had lived in domestic violence. I'd lived in domestic violence for 16 years. I really thought I was worthless when I had this near death experience before this experience. I felt worthless. And I was sick. My heart was actually having significant problems. Um, I was on nine heart medications, and the right sided heart failure was really progressing. So when I had this experience, I was at a low, I was at a big low.
And what happened was God essentially showed off the world to me, like, look at, look at this creation we've got going. And it wasn't just one angel. I was met with several others, and they loved me beyond anything that I could ever imagine. And when I try to think of like, what is the most intense love I've ever experienced, it's my own love for my child is the most intense love I've ever experienced. And so it, it goes way beyond that, if you can imagine. I mean, it just went way beyond that. So that experience of being surrounded by beings of love that loved and accepted me, um, in this, this terrible marriage I was in. I mean, bless him. He, he was wounded and so was I, but I, I used coping mechanisms that really destroyed my sense of worth. And it, it, it just had eaten at me that I was a failure.
I was failing. So here I have this amazing experience with these beings of light. And after it ended, I had to come back into the low dense, heavy energy of a human body that, that, that had a brain, that that was still dealing with depression and anxiety and, and, and physical sickness. That was significant. So I came back. But that, that obsession to know more about what was that, that I just experienced? Why, why, you know, why couldn't I feel it here? And, um, so it started where I just began to look into what is light. And I started to look into Einstein's e equals mc squared. And I, I learned, okay, lights 186,000 miles a second. That's pretty fast.
Speaker 1:
So what, when you, you decided to look into light. Yeah. What, what was it that made you choose light as your, is what you were gonna look into?
Speaker 2:
Because the, the, the light seemed to be guiding the beings. They were a part of it. They were a part of the light that I was experiencing. Just this brilliant light going through the dark night sky. It was intense light. And in that light was intense acceptance. And so no one spoke to me with their lips moving. It was telepathic. But it was conveyed to me that I was loved and adored. And it was that light that, that was pure acceptance. Okay.
Speaker 1:
That
Speaker 2:
I really became fascinated with. So,
Speaker 1:
So you started search, researching light, you Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Hit
Speaker 1:
Einstein. And
Speaker 2:
I hit Einstein, and I found out, wait, okay. So Einstein says, you know, here's energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. And I thought, what does that mean? Because the light that I had been a part of in, in my near death experience seemed timeless. I was shown other time dimensions that were not what we were in. I was shown our current, our current, um, you know, time. But I, but I was also just shown several different time dimensions. And in that was love for, for the people here on earth living and existing. And I thought, how do I get that light? How do I feel that light fully? I want that light. And, um, I called up, a mutual friend of ours just said, I had the most incredible experience, but I just, uh, trying to process it. When I started to really look into it, it became clear that people didn't fully understand it. <laugh>.
I mean, some of the greatest scientists of our time that have looked into it, people that have tried to look into it would say, well, is it a particle? Or is it a wave? It acts like both. And, um, you know, it can't be tricked if we're looking at it from a purely, you know, physics perspective. We'd say, is it a wave? Is it, is it a particle? I mean, is it mass? Is it energy? What is it? And people could say, well, we know that it acts like this during these times, but no one could even say what it was. And I thought, that's so fascinating. That's so fascinating. And so as time goes by and I'm looking into it even more, I start looking into photosynthesis. Because of course I'm studying herbs as I'm getting better now. Photosynthesis is amazing.
Speaker 1:
Can I tell you a photosynthesis story real quick? Please, please. When I was in eighth, uh, seventh grade.
Speaker 2:
Okay.
Speaker 1:
Or eighth grade. Yeah. In my, would that be in biology? Is that the class I would be in? What's science?
Speaker 2:
So science, I know 10th grade, I took biology. But you
Speaker 1:
Could
Speaker 2:
Be,
Speaker 1:
Well, I was, I had a class where <laugh>, since seventh, eighth grade, we had to memorize the photosynthesis.
Speaker 2:
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. Code, whatever it's called. Yeah. Yeah. And I hadn't memorized it. So before class, sitting in the classroom, I had my pen out and I was writing it on the palm of my hand. Like, and so I finish it up, boom, I'm ready for the test. And my teacher walks over to me and he says, Scott, uh, yeah. Let me see your palm <laugh>. I'm like, shoot. And I got home and my dad said, Hey, I don't remember the teacher's name. He called me. He said, you cheated. Actually, I came in and told my dad, and he says, I know your teacher already called me <laugh>. So I thought, yes, I beat him. You know?
Speaker 2:
Yeah. I I admitted it
Speaker 1:
Before. Before, yeah. Before I was caught.
Speaker 2:
That's right.
Speaker 1:
So anyways. Was that is,
Speaker 2:
That is so fa
Speaker 1:
There's my photosynthesis story.
Speaker 2:
I love it. I love it so much. Photosynthesis is amazing because really, truly, um, every bit of oxygen that we ever breathe was once a water molecule inside a leaf. Hmm. And so light makes oxygen possible. Even so, so
Speaker 1:
Through the photosynthesis. Through
Speaker 2:
Photosynthesis.
Speaker 1:
Ah, fascinating.
Speaker 2:
It's so fascinating. 'cause it's really like we're breathing each other. It's, I mean, a plant, a leaf will take carbon dioxide and it'll take water, and it makes oxygen and sugar. And because of that, we're alive. Plants don't need us, but we need them for sure. So looking into this, I started to realize, okay, there's a lot going on here. And I went outside in the mornings for a hundred days, and my health absolutely turned around. So I had taken some supplements, and I was doing fairly well, but I really wasn't doing great. I mean, I had type two diabetes. My blood pressure in my heart was so high that I had gotten off of a lot of, of heart medications, but I, I was still not having very much energy at the time. So going outside for a hundred mornings was doing way more for me than I realized it, it, it, it would. And so,
Speaker 1:
So can I, yeah. So when you say you went outside, what time of the year was it?
Speaker 2:
So, I started in October, so October 9th, 2023. And I just had the thought one day in my garden. I thought, okay, I'm gonna go, I'm going to, I just had the feeling. It was like something actually, you know, communicated with me. And it said, go outside every morning
Speaker 1:
To get the sun raised for
Speaker 2:
A hundred days. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
So not in the dark.
Speaker 2:
So not in the dark. Go out at sunrise for a hundred mornings. And I thought, I am a night owl, and I've been one my whole life. I love the night sky.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm
Speaker 2:
<affirmative>. I love all of that. I loved like cleaning after our kids were in bed. I, I just, I kind of was just a night owl my whole life. And so to get up at sunrise, just thought it just, it wasn't easy for me. And I was super grumpy. But I got outside in the morning, and because I had intentionally gone out, I, I, I, I noticed a very distinct piece, a very distinct calmness within about 10 to 15 minutes, even more energy. And I had more ability to like, manage my anxiety. And, uh, and I, and I went through that day, I had so much energy to do whatever I really wanted. And it just continued. And it got better and better and better until, I mean, I had a blood test and my A1C was 5.1, which is pre-diabetes. So I wasn't even diabetic anymore.
Speaker 1:
And what, what's A1C?
Speaker 2:
So, A1C is basically a study for people with diabetes, and it's just measuring kind of what is an average of your sugar over the last Really, yeah. Few months. Wow.
Speaker 1:
And you attribute that to the a hundred days?
Speaker 2:
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:
So what the a hundred days, is that just the thought that came to your mind? It is.
Speaker 2:
So
Speaker 1:
It's not something that you had read, do this for a hundred days? No,
Speaker 2:
No. It was very, it was, it was like something communicated. So
Speaker 1:
Do you still do it?
Speaker 2:
Oh, yeah. I've missed four days since October 9th, 2023.
Speaker 1:
Wow. That's impressive.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. And I've learned there's much more to it than the fact that I, you know, I thought, why do I feel good? Why do I feel good? And the reason was, inside of each cell, sunlight hits in the morning. First it goes through our eyes. We've got something called intrinsically photosensitive, retinal ganglio cells. That's
Speaker 1:
What I thought it was called.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. <laugh>. <laugh>. It's just like, just a short, easy, easy name, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what happens is when we take sunglasses off, we go out in the morning, light enters our eye, and, and those very specialized cells send a message to something called a smic nucleus, which is our circadian rhythm headquarters. It's where our circadian rhythm, which is extremely important. It's another thing I didn't know sets everything for the day. So it's kind of the conductor of the body. And once that's set through the eye, then for the rest of the day, isn't that crazy? Like, we're, we're avatars. We have, like, we have cells that, that aren't for vision.
Speaker 1:
What, what I keep thinking is this is like gig and iPhone and not, and having all these capabilities and just not knowing them. That's exactly. And not knowing how to use them. Exactly. I mean, it sounds like this is kind of a cheat code like this. Oh, it's a total code. I mean, you go out, you look at the sunrise. Yeah. Light comes in your eyes and it just kind of sets you up.
Speaker 2:
Do you know what? It's amazing because it, they've, I mean, they've all, they, they've studied and seen that that light can actually, it's put in different parts of the body that, that really need it, it sets the circadian rhythm, but it actually will go into the fetus, really. Like, it will, it, it is prioritized. It's, it's considered just special and precious, and it goes to what's really the most important thing needed. But not only that, Scott, it detoxifies our cells. So it stimulates energy production in the mitochondria, which is within our cell, kind of the engine. It will make, it will help us make more energy while at the same time mopping inflammation up in the cell.
Speaker 1:
Okay. So I have a question. Yeah. The light hits our eyes. Yeah. The light's, photons, whether it's wave or it's a particle. Yeah. It's a photon, right? It hits our really long word that you said. Yep. Whatever it is. And it sends it to the other really long word that you said. Yeah. So are those photons, is that what's being sent through our body? Or is it just activating something that then releases, triggers some chemical or something in our body?
Speaker 2:
No, it's a great question. There's a physical transfer of energy that happens through the eye. So it is the light. And that's another really fun part we get to talk about, which is we receive and emit light. Um, we, we receive and emit light as human beings, um, which is amazing. But not only that, our DNA is a hub of light, and our cells communicate using light. And who's told you that? No one really. Right. Maybe someone, but I'm just saying, well, it's, I didn't know
Speaker 1:
It's not well, and yeah, it's not some, like I said, it feels like my, our bo my body is this piece of technology that has so much capability. It does.
Speaker 2:
That
Speaker 1:
I, and I don't even know. I don't even know it. And there's little things that you can do, like getting up in the morning, like drinking water, getting proper sleep. All these things activate the amazing technology Right. Which is our human body.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
And we don't treat it like it should be treated. We
Speaker 2:
Don't treat it like it should be treated. We don't treat it like it should be treated. And it's, we have light just emitting out of our brain. We have, we have aura coming out of our, out of our head, which is just electromagnetic energy.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
From the movement of light within our brain that's actually radiating out. And when
Speaker 1:
Do they start measuring that type of stuff? Or do they measure that stuff?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, they do. So I wanna talk about the heart, because the
Speaker 1:
Heart's incredible. Yeah, let's do that. We're, I'm, I'm following you.
Speaker 2:
The heart is amazing. I, with heart failure, this is really amazing. But what happens is we've got this really intense, um, center of energy that is creating the blood pressure that's needed to, to, you know, transport oxygen, remove toxins to all the things that our body does. Now, one of the things that's amazing is the fact that our heart, as great as our brain is, as much, you know, light is, as our brain admits, our heart is actually emitting much, much more, much, much more
Speaker 1:
Light,
Speaker 2:
Light energy. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
Is there a difference between light and light energy?
Speaker 2:
I would say not really. I think there's different types of light, but we would just classify it as radiation, light radiation from electromagnetic energy.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
It's the same thing. And it's moving. So guess what, Scott, we were talking about stars before we Right.
Speaker 1:
Started
Speaker 2:
This conversation. Our heart is a star. And actually I've, I've made, our heart is so similar to a star. It burns until it's gone. It burns and it drives, it sends out all of this energy. But the amazing part about our heart is, you know, they studied in 1991, they found we've got this neural network, a bunch of nerves that really surround and are integrated in the heart. So when we feel something in our heart, we can be heartbroken. We can have heartache, we can have all of that. And that emotion completely impacts not only our physical body, because our body will sense what's going on with our heart, but it goes out five feet. That energy that's in our heart goes out five feet. So other people are very much affected by our heart energy, whether it's coherent because we're in a good emotional state, like gratitude or awe or beauty, or, uh, just feelings of intense love. Uh, forgiveness can give us that. Um, and when it's not, if we're jealous or angry or really upset, our heart will actually become incoherent. And it will, it will communicate to the brain. Things are not good. And so the brain will all of a sudden, uh, you know, it, it will stimulate the release of adrenaline and it will stimulate the release of cortisol, which,
Speaker 1:
So the heart is directing this mm-hmm <affirmative>. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:
So heart has intelligence that was really studied beginning in 1991. There's some, a place called the HeartMath Institute that's done a lot of research.
Speaker 1:
Where's that?
Speaker 2:
And the HeartMath Institute, I'm not sure where it's located, but
Speaker 1:
HeartMath, MATH, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
I have check
Speaker 2:
That.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
I've read a lot of the things that they've put out. It's pretty amazing. Pretty spectacular. But the bottom line is, we can use emotion as medicine, because whatever we feel in our heart is going to absolutely affect our health. It will affect the people around us. And if we're talking about the heart, I mean, I think we have to talk about the fact that we're all existing in a living energy field. We have a living energy field. And when things are going wrong,
Speaker 1:
What, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2:
What I mean by that is, I mean, I, I hate to say the matrix is, is true.
Speaker 1:
Say whatever you wanna say. I, I,
Speaker 2:
But I think that I, I, there's too much between what we know about quantum entanglement. Quantum mm-hmm <affirmative>. Physics in general, there's a lot that suggests that, that we have an energy field, and our heart acts on this energy field. So whatever state we're in impacts things that that will happen to us. And I've actually tried this out experimentally a lot of my clients have as well. But that's just where you intentionally use emotion as medicine. And you watch how your life will change if you're used to chaos and, and all these other things happening, which was my life for, I mean, truly, it's two decades. It will come. If you are in a state of incoherence, you're angry, you're mad, you're all of that. It's very, it, it, it's very hard. But at the same time, so useful to intentionally say, I'm going to, I'm going to feel gratitude in my heart. Because I think that's one of the difference differences people don't understand, is we can think gratitude. I can say, Hey, I'm so grateful. You're my friend Scott. But if I don't feel it, then it's not gonna act on that energy field. That really directs a lot of what goes on in our lives, I believe. And it's basically light just as the shortcut to
Speaker 1:
Some
Speaker 2:
Of what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:
So coherence V versus incoherence. Yes. And the coherence, um, allows your heart to communicate, or it just clarify that just,
Speaker 2:
So heart coherence is, when
Speaker 1:
Is that a, is that a term of art?
Speaker 2:
So, heart, heart coherence is, is basically, it's, it's used to describe a state where the heart is in such coherence, where the heartbeat is because of the emotions, the positive emotions. The heart will actually communicate up the vagus nerve to the brain and say, slow down the breathing, you know, lower the blood pressure. But it's really, it's an emotional state that then drives the heart rhythm. And everyone's talking about heart rate variability these days. And heart rate variability is just something where this vagus nerve, which is a huge part of our body and the state of our wellbeing or, or or not, the heart is acting on that vagus nerve. And so when we have what's called good vagal tone, which, um, it, it means that our heart, it in a common of state that it's coherent instead of interference going on.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
It's coherent. And so it's just telling our brain, which is telling our body what to do.
Speaker 1:
So if we, uh, find ourselves getting anxious or getting feeling like there's some sort of incoherence Yeah. Are we able to alter that? Like, if we alter our breathing to take slow breaths in and longer breaths out, will that help bring our heart into coherence? Yes, for
Speaker 2:
Sure.
Speaker 1:
Okay. So we can actually proactively do this. Yeah. The heart. 'cause as you said, the heart will signal to the brain slow down your breathing. Yes. You know you're safe. Right. There's no risk.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
And if we start to get anxious for whatever reason, and there is no reason to be physical reason to be anxious or scared. No, no. We can activate that by
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Breathing and kind of doing what the heart would make our heart would lead us to do if we were in a mm-hmm
Speaker 2:
<affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
Coherent state of mind.
Speaker 2:
Right. Which is interesting, because this is where morning sunlight you would, morning sunlight increases heart coherence.
Speaker 1:
Hmm.
Speaker 2:
I mean, it does a lot of incredible things, but heart coherence is definitely there. Like it will increase your, your heart coherence.
Speaker 1:
Is there something, um, about the light at sunrise that's different than the light at noon? I know that's, oh yeah. It's coming at a different angle. So it's being bent differently Yes. Through the atmosphere. Yeah. Sure. So it's, we're talking specifically, that's what we're talking about. Like, don't take ibuprofen, take Tylenol. Don't, I mean, it's, they're both pain relievers, but, oh, that's that. Yeah. Yeah. So, but the light in the morning is important.
Speaker 2:
So let me tell you about the difference. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Because
Speaker 2:
It's really important. In the morning, what we want is, we want something called a cortisol curve to go up, which is really the measure of our energy. And the circadian rhythm. The circadian rhythm is meant for us to get up in the morning, have a lot of energy, go throughout the day, and then it starts to taper off so that by the time evening comes, we are not in chaos. We, you know, we are not gonna be up for the next eight hours, 10 hours trying to go to sleep. We're gonna be ready for bed. The melatonin is gonna be made and excreted by the penal gland. We're gonna have restful sleep if we're in the state of a circadian rhythm balance. This is what I didn't understand. I didn't understand how crucial this was, Scott. It's really crazy. But nothing works well if we're not in coherence with our heart. And then, and then that trickles out to our bodies. Our bodies are meant to have that light through the eyes in the morning, have the circadian rhythm set. All, all kinds of inflammation markers go down when we're in a proper circadian rhythm balance.
Speaker 1:
That's fascinating too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
So people, you know, like morning sunlight is different than noon, because by noon, whereas morning was excitable, it could, it it's amazing. 'cause it can give you energy and calm you at the same time in the morning, whereas at noon, it's going to really just be calming you and it's gonna be making vitamin D from the cholesterol under your skin.
Speaker 1:
Mm.
Speaker 2:
Fascinating. And so it's fascinating. And by the time sunset comes, those that you have the Earth's race cut through the, the sun's race, cut through the earth's atmosphere and scatter red light, so that red light goes into the eye again, and it's saying you're gonna sleep in like three to five hours from now.
Speaker 1:
Wow.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. And, and when you're in it, it's just boom, boom, boom. And I've, believe me, I've, I've been in good circadian rhythm and I haven't been massive difference, massive difference for, for really everything. One of the things that surprised me most was my mental health improved significantly by doing this practice.
Speaker 1:
The getting up in the morning practice. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:
I've been giddy up in the morning this last, so my goal is to get up at five 30 every morning and mm-hmm <affirmative>. And go for a 10, 15 minute walk, not a big, just to get my body moving. Yeah. And it's starting to be a little bit lighter outside, so Right. Is that, is that light, um, effective? Does that light do the job? Or do we need the, like the ra rays coming off of the sun? Or is it just the ambient light that's coming over the horizon? So,
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it's interesting because what the light we need the most is actually invisible in the morning. But we pick the morning as a really crucial time because it sets the circadian rhythm. Uh, but that infrared light in the morning is at its highest percentage. And why we, why that matters is because it will actually penetrate eight centimeters into the body through bone, through clothing, and it will stimulate something that totally detoxifies the cells. And so being out there for 15 to 30 minutes will detoxify the cells in your body. So I've seen clients who have children with autism, and we say, just like, get 'em out in the morning, get 'em out, a DHD go out in the morning. It's calming down the nervous system, setting the circadian rhythm, but it's really taking down inflammation in the nervous system.
Speaker 1:
So it's more than just light in your eyes, it's penetrating your whole body.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:
Fascinating. Fascinating. Eight centimeters is deep.
Speaker 2:
Oh, it is. And it will go through bone and people will say, do I need to be naked? I had a lady send me a picture where she was like, half naked, this is good <laugh>. And I was like, oh, my word <laugh>. Um, yeah. Don't need to do that. But, you know, for other types of sunlight, we do, but we don't for infrared, because it goes, it goes through clothing. It doesn't go through glass, so it won't go through your bedroom window.
Speaker 1:
Interesting.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
So, but it is it that, that kind of glow on the horizon is that, is, am I getting infrared light from that? Yeah. Or does it have the sun
Speaker 2:
At the above? It's in the air. So if the sun comes and peaks, uh, or is almost ready to peak, you're fine. Because there's already a high enough percentage, and there's something called first light, which technically has the most infrared, the most healing, um, light. And so being outside as the sun comes up is perfect. It's perfect. You're still getting that. And then you can, of course, look towards the brighter part of the sky. But, you know, and, and rays, you know, go in. But, but even just really looking towards the brighter part of the sky, even if the sun hasn't peaked over the mountains, works great, works great.
Speaker 1:
The sunglasses,
Speaker 2:
No, th those are a no-no.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah. In that, in that, if you're going for that,
Speaker 2:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
So you'll struggle more with depression if you have sunglasses. There's studies that say you go out in the morning and you're walking, you're using sunglasses, it's gonna block a really needed beneficial healing thing. So you need to think of morning light, morning sunlight, as basically you're at the spa and you're, and you're at the, like, the best medical treatment centers all at once. You're, you're just getting this complete makeover.
Speaker 1:
But
Speaker 2:
Internally, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:
Fascinating.
Speaker 2:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's fascinating. And, uh, I think the other thing is that your mitochondria respond directly to light and your mitochondria, the engine, like we talked about, if you don't have energy, and I tell people, go out in the morning. Go out in the morning, and it absolutely has made a big difference. I have over 400 people who've done my sunrise experiment, um, 413 people.
Speaker 1:
Really?
Speaker 2:
Yes. What
Speaker 1:
Are the results? That's right.
Speaker 2:
Have you tracked them? Amazing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People have less anxiety for sure. But if you wanna up the game, you use the heart I as intentional medicine in the morning by saying, I'm going to sit in, in meditation and be grateful for something for, for two minutes,
Speaker 1:
And then go out.
Speaker 2:
And then while you're out there, that's what I do is, is I will, I'll be outside and, and I'll just intentionally feel gratitude. I'll intentionally feel gratitude. It ups the whole game. And then if you want to up it even more be surrounded by trees or greenery, because it increases the amount of light that you're able to absorb, that that heals you being around trees.
Speaker 1:
Is there a a reason that you know of why that would be the case?
Speaker 2:
Yes. It's because, so you think about, um, inside of a plant, the leaves have what are called chlor oblasts. And they have, they take in red and blue light. And so it's why they're green. They take in red light, they take in blue light. And what we see is just the extra green light. It appears green, it's the extra red and blue energy coming off of that leaf. And that can, that, that can move towards us. That moves towards us. And like I said, trees really are another fascinating topic. We should do another podcast on homes because they create a living signaling field. When you're in trees, trees communicate to each other. And sometimes it's the roots, but often it's chemically, it's aerosol, it's it's other ways that, that, uh, we know that. And, and really light is a communicator. Just, just something else. That's fascinating.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Every cell phone call, it's
Speaker 1:
Energy.
Speaker 2:
It's energy. It's energy. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
Now doesn't blue and red make purple?
Speaker 2:
That's true.
Speaker 1:
Blue and yellow would be green.
Speaker 2:
Blue and yellow would be green. Do you know what red and blue coming off? I don't know why. Yeah, it's red and blue light, but
Speaker 1:
It uses,
Speaker 2:
Well,
Speaker 1:
May, but the, the green maybe just coming from the surface. Well,
Speaker 2:
And the other thing is, white light has all of the, it has everything.
Speaker 1:
Right, right.
Speaker 2:
It's got red, it's got orange, it's got yellow, it's got green, it's got blue. It's got indigo. It's called ultraviolet.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
So,
Speaker 1:
Um, yeah. I, I love being around trees. Yeah. I don't, uh, another thing that I think we lose that in the world today, especially with our devices and, and just getting so busy that we've, it's not just today, it's been for, I, I think we as humans tend to get away from mm-hmm <affirmative>. This, um, connection to nature and to light. It's, uh,
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Do, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to do this morning thing, like I said,
Speaker 2:
I, I think you would.
Speaker 1:
I'm going, you're gonna be, and I'll keep you posted. You
Speaker 2:
Need to keep me posted. I will.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. It's pretty special. You know, um, the, the thing that's really, really amazing is when we look at our world, when we, I mean, the big question we all have is where are we? And why are we here? What is this whole experience that we're in, right?
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 2:
And, uh, so this is where I'm gonna just bring in my difficult experiences for a second. Okay. I talked to you about the life of pie
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah. The movie.
Speaker 2:
You've talked about shadows and different podcasts. Yes.
So this is where it becomes even more fascinating, because the life of pi, for any who don't know, there's the story of a man who moves from India and on the boat. His family's gonna have a zoo in America, is the preface of the story. And there's, and the boat goes down in the middle of the ocean with all of these animals. So it's told from the perspective that there's a tiger on board the boat and an orangutan and a zebra and another animal. Like there's, there's different animals. So you think it's a story about him surviving animals. And what you come to realize that the end, I don't wanna spoil it for everyone, but i, I probably will, is
Speaker 1:
It's, it's been out long enough.
Speaker 2:
It's been out for a long time, what, 14 years or something. The tiger is what he was most afraid of, which is our dark side. And I think that when we have times where we're living in survival mode, that dark side shows because human beings in survival mode, they just, it's different. There's parts of us that come out that would never come out during that time. And then it's horrifying to realize that we have that side, or it can be. But the, the reason that light comes in next is because I love Rumi. I, I love Rumi. Um, the mystic, the poet, right? Because he studied light, and this is where he brings it in. And he said that the wound is the place that light enters you.
So this is what happens to me, is I start going out in the morning. I think I'm just gonna, I, I have the feeling just to be still. And meditate is something I absolutely couldn't stand. And I end up with a whole nother experience in light where meditation took me a good two months to actually be able to do it. Because it was like, I had the grocery list and was looking at like, my tree that needed to be trimmed. And it was like, are my neighbors watching me? And, but I wanted to be outside doing it. I just really felt like I should. So I'm out there, and, and this is where the light really came alive. Now there's a loss, Scott, that says that light behaves differently when it's observed. So if you're going outside and you're observing light, things happen. That wouldn't happen otherwise.
And especially if we are in a spot in our journey where we're willing to touch the pain of our lives, this is where I felt light transmute the difficulty that I had experienced in a lot of ways. Because I, I would feel like I can't face myself that tiger, right? And it's with light and being in light and being still enough to start just beginning to sense the light that's in me. I start realizing, wait a second. I am, my soul is light. That's what it is. And working as a nurse, people would pass away, and the light would go out of the body. It was not there anymore. So as things came up, anxiety or regrets, or things about myself, I really didn't like, didn't wanna face things that were very hard to face, I would sit there and think of what I was grateful for.
And I would feel kind of another presence there. It was unmistakable to me where I know that there's other people that have had near death experiences where they feel like they can sense the unseen a little bit more. But in doing this practice of just being still, it completely changed my entire idea of who I was. So I'd come from the near-death experience where I was loved and just surrounded with so much love. And then I came back to a body that still was troubled and a mind that was still troubled. And, and I was still there living the story that I thought was my life. But actually, when we jump into that story, we can't heal. We have to be able to pull ourselves out and say, who am I actually, oh, I'm a being of light. I still had consciousness and awareness in the near death experience, but I was a being of light.
I had, I had no body when I was with the angel. But going back into my body was so uncomfortable and, and then dealing with the problems that I had, but it was light every morning that I started to think, wait a minute. Maybe things are possible that I didn't think are possible. Maybe I could, maybe I can heal things that I thought were so difficult to heal, impossible to heal. So I started to journal all of my thoughts, everything that came up, like, you should, like, this is a waste of time. Like all of it's included in notebooks. So I have, and without fail, I would start to just put in there, there's something with me here. There's like someone, the light is alive. It's not just presenting. Uh, you know, it's, it's not just a light bulb. It's, it's alive in a way that's supporting me.
I start to become aware, this force that, um, I've studied scientifically is actually supporting my journey of healing and a return to myself that's more whole. And then I thought, wait a minute. I, I think I'm really on i something to be able to heal. And that's one thing that I want people to know, is that the reality that we have around us is not the reality. It's actually not the true reality. We, because light is making our entire lives possible. It's making every moment we're alive possible. And not only that, it is, we can't exist here. You think about there's, I mean, it's, it's literally, it illuminates reality. But physics tells us that photons are out of time. A photon doesn't experience time.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. I've, I was reading something about that the other day. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
It's
Speaker 1:
Fascinating to me.
Speaker 2:
Isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 1:
I just, you know, that, that was, you know, the link between light and time and gravity.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
And light. Right. And I don't, you know, I'm not a scholar on any of that. All I, all I will say is that it's fascinates. All of it fascinates me. I, I, and I don't know that I have the vocabulary and the ability to articulate the things that I'm, you know, so I don't know what, I don't know it well enough, but it's so fascinating to me. That's so fascinating. And what it, what it tells me is what you just said, that
The reality that we think we know, I mean, there are limits to what we see and understand. Right. And that makes it so that we can function. Right? And if, if we, like we were talking about earlier, if we could see every spectrum, every, every wave of light on the spectrum, right? We wouldn't be able to see anything. We wouldn't be able to do anything. So it's, you know, outta necessity, there's limitations to what we can experience and what we can know, and that makes it so that we can functionally move through the world. But the reality, the real reality is that things are limitless.
Speaker 2:
Oh,
Speaker 1:
Yeah. And, and we just don't, like, what, what can our bodies actually do that we can't even comprehend?
Speaker 2:
Absolutely.
Speaker 1:
What can our minds do that we have no idea.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
What they can do. And another thing that you talked earlier about aura, and, and you can tell me to stop talking about this 'cause No, but I was just thinking of something earlier because it, it seems like, like when you wanna talk about that, nowadays, you're gonna go talk to somebody who has, we'll call it an alternate type or, or Yeah. How would you call it?
Speaker 2:
Alternative.
Speaker 1:
Alternative. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You talk about aura, you talk about energy, you talk about light.
Speaker 2:
Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
But that's not a new understanding. I mean
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
Go back thousands of years. Oh,
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Yeah. Knew,
Speaker 1:
I mean, it's, they, they knew they understood something. Right. They didn't have ways to measure infrared light. Right. Right. They, that we know of. They didn't have ways of measuring these other, but they knew. Yes. And that's fascinating to me. And it's, and it's made us all the way, it's made its way through thousands of years. It has.
Speaker 2:
And
Speaker 1:
You would think that things that aren't effective wouldn't make their way through thousands of years.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
So, right. Yeah. It's fascinating. So,
Speaker 2:
Well, and I think it's amazing now that like, technology actually shows auras. Um, and, and they're not looked at as, as woo woo, but it's more like, okay, this is it's energy. It's si Yeah. It is electro
Speaker 1:
Electromagnetic.
Speaker 2:
It's scientific fact. I mean, it, the fact is that we have so much information now we just didn't have before. We know a lot of things. And it's, it's kind of where, um, you know, it, it's, it's, it's not that we have to even think really hard or try to believe it's, we have evidence, you know, it's just like chakras. We have evidence of chakras. They've been shown, we have evidence of, of auras. And I think of them as, as actually just wellness tools now. And I use, you know, biofeedback equipment and other things to merit, to measure that. And that's just showing me heart coherence. It's, it's showing me a, a lot of things like that. But to your point, we, we are rediscovering so much that has been known for a very, very long time in terms of this. Yeah. I, I think that, uh, physicists are basically edging towards saying that the world is made of light, Scott. So that would mean it creates our reality. And how does it
Speaker 1:
Yeah. Now let's talk about that if we could. Yeah. When you say that that light creates our reality, so Yes. Talk to me about that.
Speaker 2:
Well, I would say, first of all, it's light that illuminates everything we see.
Speaker 1:
Right. I understand that part. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
It's light that's basically controlling our biology. It's light that's controlling a lot of our nervous system. And the communication within it. It's light that's controlling our vision, the way we perceive things. Um, and there's, when we look at an atom, you know, the, the tiny, the smallest thing that we, we have to measure in our bodies, really, we have energy rotating around a nucleus. So we are energy mm-hmm
Speaker 1:
<affirmative>.
Speaker 2:
And there's those that would argue we're a light energy. We're light energy. I mean, we have, because,
Speaker 1:
Well, I would say we're electromagnetic.
Speaker 2:
We're electromagnetic, which
Speaker 1:
Is light. It
Speaker 2:
Is. That's why it, it all works. We're electromagnetic. And it's light. It's light that directs a lot of it. And so it takes away the fear something bigger than me. And what I see is in charge of not only my physiology, but literally this world as it exists, the weather patterns wind. Right. It, it, it's light making it possible for me to breathe. I mean, light is right there at the birth of a baby. There's light, the placenta's full of light. I mean, it's a flash of light at conception, light's involved in everything. Really, truly everything. So every biological process, um, if plants are stored light, they're rearranged light. So everything we see plant wise is stored light in a way. It's just, um,
Speaker 1:
And not, and we're not necessarily talking about visible light.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
But
Speaker 2:
We are. But yeah. Yeah. We admit, I mean, human beings admit, uh, infrared light.
Speaker 1:
Right. But it's not visible.
Speaker 2:
It's not.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. So there, I mean, 'cause it's, I have a tendency when I think of light, just to think about, you know, the, uh, light and dark, you know mm-hmm <affirmative>. But it's not that type of light always. It's light that, that exists even in the darkness.
Speaker 2:
Right. Right. Light that exists even in the darkness and light that, um, basically is involved spiritually and physically in every process of earth life. And that, that, I mean, every spiritual tradition has come back nearly everyone and talked about light. Some have just made it the center.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. Because I, I remember in, uh, in Mormon theology and doctrine and the doctrine covenants, it talks about, you know, your eye needs to be single to the glory of God. Right. Your, your, you know, you want your body to be filled with light.
Speaker 2:
Exactly. Yes. It's true.
Speaker 1:
Um, I'm having a thought right now. 'cause I used, i i a little tangent here. Maybe, maybe it's not a tangent. I don't know. But I used to think so I'm, I'm not active in, in church anymore. Yeah. But I used to think I need to do everything to make sure that I'm filled with light, which, and my understanding meant there's no darkness in me. I think it even says that, you know, there's no darkness in you. But as we're sitting here talking now, I'm thinking I could be filled with light and still have the shadow. Part of me still have that part of me, because I'm both of those things. Yeah. I'm both of those things. Yeah. I can't kill off the shadow because that would kill me off. But as we're sitting here talking, and I don't know if this, I'm taking this something that is no more metaphorical and being too literal about it. But even in darkness, even in shadow, there's light. We just That's true. It's not visible light. Right. So it's not light that casts out the darkness, but it's still light, it's still life-giving. Yes. Light as we've talked about. Yes. Yes. That's actually pretty fascinating. It is
Speaker 2:
Really fascinating. I think that you hear light associated with healing a lot. I think that there's parts of us where we can transmute. We don't, you know, um, and that's in, in the LDS theology, there's the idea that you, you know, I have to be perfect and this or this. And, and really, I mean, I'm active in that theology, but I I, I'm also looking at things from a lot of different angles Yeah. Than I were because I, who I thought I was, um, who I believed I was this lady who did this, made these mistakes, this, this, this. I come to find out I'm not her. That's not even close to who I am. So that's where I go. Our story goes way beyond what we think is our story is not our story. And that's where we have, like, I'll think about the brain.
'cause our brains are useful. They're very useful. But if we just think slowly from the brain, we've missed the point here. It's our heart. Where's our heart? The scriptures, you know, where your heart is, there will your treasure be also, literally our heart is affecting. And because it's a star burning out, it's, it's affecting what happens to us and the energy that we send out. But really, we can have, we can heal with the help of light and have that light transmute the feelings about ourselves that are uncomfortable where we can say, no, you're loved. You know, you're loved. Now I do think there's vibrational things where behavior can raise or lower vibration. That's a real thing
Speaker 1:
In, in what sense?
Speaker 2:
So I think that in my experience, I've experienced, uh, I think there's people who maybe really wounded people who've, and I've definitely been one of these, definitely been one of these. But you become darker, darker, darker, darker, darker, darker. Yeah. And you can see it in someone's eyes. So it's not that someone has to be perfect,
But rather they have like, seeking to have an understanding of who am I really? Who am I really? 'cause I'm, I'm not just this flawed person. I think that we have a universe invested in each of us, like a universe's worth of effort invested in each of us here, or we're here that we have that much love and that we can, we can have choices that raise our vibration to a point where it's easier to feel things in the unseen. Because I think there's, my, my, my belief is that there's things in the unseen and that, uh, have high vibration. And we can sense that maybe easier when we have a higher vibration, which doesn't mean we're perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
No, no. But I think I, I, I, I, I believe that, 'cause I, I think what it, when we have a higher vibration, I think the, one of the results of, of having or, or to be able to get to that point where you have a higher vibrations you're talking about, I think that requires us to unplug a little bit from the world around us. It does. And I think the result of that is we become more sensitive because, um, um, the way I think about it is, and I, I mean, this is just the way I've thought about it. I haven't, I'm an expert on this, but, oh, it's just like, I mean, it's, and it's not my idea only I've read it and I've heard it before, but just when we are bombarded by all of these external stimuli, then the quieter, softer things, or maybe, maybe not even the quieter, softer things, but even things that are, are not so soft or quiet, they all get mixed in with everything else. So it's hard for us to separate what's what, because everything comes in at the same level. Right. We let everything come in at the same level. Right. And so if we're able to unplug a bit from, from all that other external stimuli, then we're more sensitive to, to other
Speaker 2:
Things. I, I think that's crucial. I think that's imperative. I think people will say, I've, I've tried this, I've done this. I the que back doesn't work, doesn't work, doesn't, you know, and I'll think, but have you like, stopped technology for a little bit and have you been willing to feel a little bit pain and discomfort around your idea of who you think you are? Good, bad, otherwise, and because, because sitting with that is one of the first things I think that can raise our vibration is just, is just, you know, being there and, and thinking, I, I don't want to carry this pain the same way. I'm gonna try something different. I'm gonna go out in the morning. I'm gonna intentionally ask and pray for help with this. And honestly, inevitably it comes. I have relief and, and I can go out so overwhelmed, Scott. 'cause I have a really sick son now. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. I've done this through my dad passing away and anyway, all kinds of things that would be really, really overwhelming to overcome. And I've watched myself be able to tolerate things I couldn't tolerate before, pain-wise and otherwise. And they seem to wash over me like a wave instead of just living inside of me and giving me agony.
Speaker 1:
Uh, I, I like, like we have the struggles. I mean, even if we're doing things right, even if you're getting up in the morning, you still have struggles. Absolutely. But I, I read this just this morning actually in Nietzche, um, and we talked about this. I, I grabbed the book a few minutes ago because as we were talking, you were talking about how, you know, you are active lds mm-hmm <affirmative>. But now you're, your, your, your vision has kind of opened a bit into where you're, it's not so narrow. Yeah. And I just, and then, and then now you're talking about how struggling, you know, when we struggle, how we, how we deal with that struggle determines how we come out of it. You know? Yes. And so, and he wrote this, he wrote, if a man goes through fire for his doctrine, what does that prove? He says, verily it is more if your own doctrine comes out of your own fire. I love that.
Speaker 2:
I do too.
Speaker 1:
Are you, are you who people tell you you are or are you the result of how you made it through your fire?
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
You know, did your fire shape you? 'cause we all go through fire, we all go through suffering. Right. And I dunno, that's not necessarily along the lines of light. Maybe it is.
Speaker 2:
It is. It is. It is.
Speaker 1:
I love the principle.
Speaker 2:
Oh yeah. Because honestly, when you suffer, it's the greatest university. And I think,
Speaker 1:
Yeah. It's, it's
Speaker 2:
The greatest university. And, and it, and it, and it will end. And it can end actually. I mean, the full university doesn't end until we pass away. But I can tell you this, that, that just going through the fire, um, brings enlightenment. It's the only way I I I don't know that you can have an true enlightenment without fire.
Speaker 1:
No. I think, in fact, let me grab another book of Nietzsche.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. He's pretty great.
Speaker 1:
He's become a favorite. Um, this is, this is my unmarked version. Lemme see if I can find it. Mm.
Speaker 2:
<affirmative>. Yeah. He's got some great stuff.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. Here it's at the end of, uh, genealogy of Morals, third essay section 28. He writes, um, it says the problem was not suffering itself, but that there was no answer to the crying question. Why do I suffer?
Speaker 2:
Ah,
Speaker 1:
That's, that's it. And then he writes, um, the meaninglessness of suffering, not suffering itself was the curse that layover mankind kind.
Speaker 2:
That's brilliant.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. 'cause we all suffer. So what are you just gonna, are you just gonna go through it mm-hmm <affirmative>. And be miserable because of it. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 2:
Mm-hmm
Speaker 1:
<affirmative>. So how can light play a part in, in, in suffering? Well, I guess, you know,
Speaker 2:
I think one of the things is just to understand the reality of where we're in a simulation. We're in a simulation that's,
Speaker 1:
And what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2:
I mean, I don't think that what we think of as life is actually what we're in. I'm just, I'm not convinced of that after Stu.
Speaker 1:
So the fact that we can pinch each other doesn't,
Speaker 2:
So I think we pinch each other, but I don't, I think that's electron clouding. And I think that's all vi We are just vibration. We're vibration in a living field. This whole experience is being put on by light. This, that, that's my personal belief just after seven.
Speaker 1:
It's interesting.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. And, and so if we suffer, we have to ask, is this the ego?
Speaker 1:
Because
Speaker 2:
The mind will say, oh, you deserve this, or This shouldn't happen. This is, you know, this, this, this, this, this. You need this. You didn't get it. See, look, they got it. I remember being just a really quick note that goes along with this <laugh>. I remember being, I was getting ready to give birth to one of my kids. And I remember seeing like a really dotting husband coming in with his wife. And I just remember thinking, everyone's got someone who cares. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. You know, but me and, and being in other terrible situations where, where I just, I, I thought, I am so bad because I've done this, this, this, this. And really, it was like I was in a survival mode. I was coping. And, and I, but I needed to actually have the understanding broken. And I think my near death experience broke my understanding of who I was. So that I came to understand, first of all, there's a glorious being who actually created this whole thing so that I could learn, evolve, and be better. Because my consciousness doesn't come from my brain that much. I knew it had left, even though I was looking at my body in my bed. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
I see. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
I was looking at my body in my bed, and I, it wasn't my brain driving what was happening to me. I that was long gone. So
Speaker 1:
Separated from your brain. You still had consciousness
Speaker 2:
Separated from my brain. I had greater consciousness
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Than I'd ever experienced here. And I remember thinking, this is incredible. Like, I could understand the way things worked. And to give you an example, at one point I was taken over Manhattan of all places. People look at me like, and I'm like, I don't know, <laugh>. And so I, there were buildings, apartment buildings full of people. And at, at one time, I could see everyone in those buildings. And I knew what was in their heart, their suffering, their agony, their loneliness, their thoughts, all of that. And I think that it was all comprehended millions of people at one time. That's how much consciousness I had. Wow. Outside. And that's what, that, that's the field that's existing. You hear about like autistic kids. I've got two autistic kids. And, and honestly, it's not uncommon that they can, that they, they have one foot in the field. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1:
The field,
Speaker 2:
The, the living field that this, this matrix types field mm-hmm <affirmative>. This, this field that is, uh, it's, it's light, but it's sending messages. And our soul can receive messages that our brain can't comprehend.
Speaker 1:
Um, so the what comes to my mind, you know, about light is, I mean, it seems to me that all forms of communication are a transfer of energy. Yes.
Speaker 2:
When
Speaker 1:
We speak, it's, um, mechanical sound waves. Yes. Yes. When we, um, visually we got the electromagnetic field, the stars communicate to us Right. Light. And so it's all, and so it makes sense. And it's not all visible light, like when they take a picture of a star. Right. And we, when we see the image of a star, that's not visible light. They No, they run it through filters. And so we can see it. Infrared
Speaker 2:
Lights.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. And so they run it through a filter so that it picks that up. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And
Speaker 1:
So the stars communicating to us, um, in light that we cannot visually see.
Speaker 2:
It's, it's honestly incredible.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. So, so to your point, like we have electro I mean, that's my understanding. And I could be That's the electromagnetic field. I mean, that's electromagnetic. Yes. The star light coming off of stars. Yes. Um, I don't know, I should probably be careful what I say. 'cause I'm <laugh>, I'm not an astrophysicist, although I do know one, but I've always been fascinated by this stuff. But the idea that we have light that comes out of us
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
That we can't visibly see. Right. It makes sense to me that, that it comes out of our body. It comes outta the earth. It comes out of every Is that a true statement? Yes, it is.
Speaker 2:
It is.
Speaker 1:
I'm just thinking here. So does that mean rocks speak if they have light coming out of them?
Speaker 2:
Do you know, in my near death experience, rocks were very much alive.
Speaker 1:
Interesting.
Speaker 2:
And they have an aura.
Speaker 1:
I mean, crystals. Crystals, yeah.
Speaker 2:
That's,
Speaker 1:
That's the idea. My understanding behind crystals is the vibration.
Speaker 2:
Absolutely.
Speaker 1:
Of the crystals.
Speaker 2:
So when we see color, what we're actually seeing is energy differences.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. Vibrating
Speaker 2:
Different
Speaker 1:
Wavelengths.
Speaker 2:
Yes. That's what we, and our brain just kind of, you know, makes, makes that, but it's really just a difference in, in vibration that we see as different colors, which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1:
Ah,
Speaker 2:
So we just like, to your point about taking a picture, you know, the James Webb telescope, all those, the, the ability to use infrared light has just changed everything. Mm-hmm
Speaker 1:
<affirmative>.
Speaker 2:
Not only at looking stars and looking into space, but humans you can't get away with. If someone's hunting for you and they've got great technology, you're gonna show up. And that's part of the reason we know the heart lets off so much light is because
Speaker 1:
Of
Speaker 2:
That technology. When people go to try to find the criminal that's trying to hide, it's, it's
Speaker 1:
The heat.
Speaker 2:
It's the heat in their heart. Their heart has so much heat, just like a star. Really.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. I love the idea of stars. I love the idea of the birth of a star. Um, how it's a collapse of that gas. Right. It instantly, it collapses, and then there's a fusion, right. That releases the energy that offsets the gravitational collapse. And it creates this tension, this equilibrium. Right. It keeps, gives a star shape. And so as long as there's a fusion in the core, it's giving off enough energy to offset the iron heart. And the longer it burns, the more iron the heart gets bigger with iron. Yeah. Until there's a point where it doesn't create enough radiation anymore. Because every photon that it shoots out, it loses, it doesn't come back. Right. And so every, every energy that it shoots out, it's, um, it's gone. Right. And eventually it can't produce enough to offset the gravitational pole. And then it collapses into either a, you know, a, a neutron star grab, you know, white dwarf or, or supernova. If it's big enough. If it's if, if the heart is big enough or if the circumference is big enough. Just fascinating to me, the, so we say light, it's just energy. Everything's energy. Even mass is energy. Mass. Mass is
Speaker 2:
Times
Speaker 1:
Of speed. Of light squared is energy. It is,
Speaker 2:
But it's light deciding what is mass and what is energy. And really, I think of matter as frozen energy, because light, um, is manipulating the way any atoms, I mean, atoms on this earth. There's no, there's no set of atoms that aren't kept together by light. It's light keeping matter together. So without it, we don't, our world collapses. We, we don't have anything that will adhere. And, and so like thinking about you, you, there's a star in your chest beating and, and, and producing the energy. And then you, as the soul get to come in and embody the heavy, dense energy of the, of this earth.
Speaker 1:
So is it, and you may not know the answer to this, and I'm just thinking about this, uh, yeah. To be thorough. Like there's, there's the weak nuclear, what is it? The, there's gravity, gravity, electromagnetic, the different forces that hold things together. I just, I'm just wondering, which I'm not, again, I'm not a scholar of any of this, and so I don't know. But, um, I want to go look this up, but light, just getting back to light. Um, what other, well talk to me some more. 'cause you said, uh, mm-hmm <affirmative>. And maybe you've already addressed this. You talked about the matrix. Like, we live in a matrix. We
Speaker 2:
Absolutely do. We, we live what we, you know, we perceive, I'm sitting across from you at a table, uhhuh doing this podcast. But really what we have are just energy fields around us.
And we have cell phones, traveling, energy fields. We have zoom calls are, are being put on by light traveling. And so it's light that's managing the energy fields that surround us. And as, as I have thought about this, it's, it's that energy that we're sending out. We're basically telling the universe what we want. If we're distressed, we're in chaos. And we say anything out loud like things aren't going well. I've tried this out. I've had so many clients try this out with it in a short time, something goes wrong, my tire goes flat. This is taking forever. And then things happen to make it take forever. I'm never gonna do this. This is never gonna happen. It makes, causes interference in a field that then brings more chaos to us.
Speaker 1:
What what I like about this concept is you can see patterns this way.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
And it makes it almost like a, a, a physical problem. Yeah. Because, oh, this is blocking this flow. Mm-hmm. We're not getting water to the, we're not getting water into this field, so let's build a little canal. So it's almost like I'm, I am blocked en energetically, so I need to find a way to unblock that so it can flow to this part. So I, I see it as a pa you know, when, when we look at it this way, I see it like, I see patterns mm-hmm <affirmative>. And when you see patterns, then it's, you can start figuring out how to resolve things.
Speaker 2:
So, interesting that you bring that up, because one of the things that I've noticed is one of my specialties is helping people love themselves. There were a lot of reasons for me to not love myself. Many I've never talked publicly about, and probably won't for a while, maybe. But I guess what I'm saying is there were a lot, a lot. And when that happens, what that does to my star in my chest is just create incoherence. It just creates incoherence. I mean, to the point that I had heart failure. And I think that I've seen people die of, of sadness from, and they end up, you know, developing heart things or, or things. But it absolutely can physically affect us. And so the idea that it's one of the hardest things human beings ever do is love themselves. It's just so hard. Even people that look like they love themselves, I have clients that come in and they will tell me behind closed doors really, really struggling.
Speaker 1:
So how was that? So talk to me about that in relation to light, because there was a time, and I, and I still struggle with it, but I see, I see measured growth. There was a time when I had the worst negative self-talk, and I would have, you know, when I started to get overwhelmed with things, I would automatically default to telling myself, you know, horrible things. And that would end up just kind of numbing me. And then mm-hmm <affirmative>. The overwhelm would kind of, and then, and things wouldn't matter anymore. Right. And it's changing now to where I have this automatic, when if I start to go that way, instinctively now, I say, whoa, whoa, Scott, you're okay. It's just a difficult time. Right. You're gonna be okay. Right. We just need to move. So I, so talk to me about light and that,
Speaker 2:
You know, it's perfect actually. Because when we have that incoherence and we're really down on ourselves, and then the negative self-talk, it is happening. What it's really revealing is it's revealing the set of instructions that we received as a human being. Which this all does tie back to light. But in the first four years, we were told things about our existence Here, you're in the way. You're not good enough. You're not important to me. We were so, we internalized like a sponge,
Speaker 1:
Kinda like that Nietzsche quote where mm-hmm
Speaker 2:
<affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
Your doctrine. You walk into the fire because of your doctrine, because of what you
Speaker 2:
Exactly
Speaker 1:
Know.
Speaker 2:
Exactly. And those thoughts in my journal started leading me back to core beliefs, core beliefs that had happened. I don't, I don't know. I mean, like right now, people that I talk to, I would say 99% of people don't have great childhoods. And a lot of them had parents that really tried. I screwed up my kids. My cute mom said, my parents screwed up. Me. I screwed up you guys.
Speaker 1:
You
Speaker 2:
Know, dad and I did.
Speaker 1:
I screwed up my kids.
Speaker 2:
We screwed up our, because part of living is suffering. And it's, it's the fact that when, when we are at our lowest and we're saying, I, I can't possibly like, think good things enough about myself to do the right thing, that we have to realize that this is a university, this is a university, and we have to see it for what it is. Because I think the mind creates so much suffering when we get stuck in the story. This isn't gonna work out, this isn't gonna work out, this isn't gonna work out. Instead of of doing that, where we just say, okay, I'm going to intentionally do things that are kind, and one of those things I would have people do is get pictures of them as a child, a baby. 'cause a lot of people that, um, have had real trauma in their as childhood will it automatically feel worthless. So if a child has real trauma, they automatically feel worthless. You're just gonna fight that. You can say, Hey, instead of just going and following the story and holding onto the tiger's tail, like, oh my goodness, I'm such a bad person. It's more like I'm having an experience and I had an experience. This isn't who I am. So I can take life with a little bit more of, uh, relief in the fact that situations are happening to me and I can love myself through those situations.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. When you talk about that, like when I would engage in that negative self-talk mm-hmm <affirmative>. Rather than doing what you're saying, that was a very conscious and a decision on my part to communicate that to me, that was not subconscious. I mean, I think mm-hmm <affirmative>. I think the, i, the idea to do that came from my subconscious from growing up getting overwhelmed and just shutting down. And so that's kind of a coping mechanism that I had developed. Right, right. And so, so that one, naturally, it used to just naturally come up. But, but my mind is saying that, and that that impacts the whole, um, feel in my body. It numb, it would numb me. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. It would numb me.
Speaker 2:
Well, it does. You have a benefit from that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. And so I guess what I'm thinking of is the heart will communicate to the mind to say breathe.
Speaker 2:
Yes. Yes. But
Speaker 1:
The mind when it, when it communicates down to the heart, and it's interesting. We're not talking about the gut, we're talking about the heart.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. The gut's very much a part of things, but the heart is,
Speaker 1:
Is really what drives the, but we're the light, it's the core. It's the core of the heart, the core of the star.
Speaker 2:
It is.
Speaker 1:
Um, so the brain communicates down to the heart. I'm just, I'm just processing this out loud here. No, no, you're so good. Because I, because nowadays my, my, my awareness takes over and I say, whoa, hey, you're doing okay. Right. You're doing okay. And then now I'm being more aware of, if I start to get overwhelmed, I, I automatically think, okay, just breathe.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Right. Right.
Speaker 1:
And then that just kind of, and that, and I don't know if that, um, I dunno. Primes my heart, kickstarts my heart. I don't know what it's,
Speaker 2:
It talks to your heart for sure. When you breathe like that, it's, it's when you're breathing intentionally and you're doing like, exhale, focused breathing or box breathing, um, things like that, it's definitely, absolutely impacting your heart. And then you're able to, um, slow down some of the nervous system that's just over agitated. I think I I was gonna talk to you as well about healing. Yeah.
When we heal, that looks different, um, for different people. There's energy work, there's, um, but I think journaling and getting an idea of what our thoughts are, then the brain can say, Hey, you're having an over excitement and over worry right now because you've had some experiences as a kid. Yeah. Where you, and, and those were validated by other life experiences. My goodness, this went wrong. This, this, this, this could go wrong. Where instead we could say, it makes sense that you feel the way you do. Yeah. Or we can validate ourselves and say, makes total sense that you feel really agitated and worried about this. The reality is you have more control. You are in control of the coherence of your heart. And that means that you have much more control over this living signaling field that we're in. And Yeah. And so as light is moving through our head and, and, um, you know, light is, can direct so much of our thoughts just by, by, we know that as well with science. That, that our thoughts are energy. They could be measured outside the brain by two inches. Wow. And a lot of it's thought to be light energy. And so just saying, I'm having an experience. I'm in a university, I'm having an experience, it makes sense that I would feel the way I do. And yet that doesn't mean like discomfort doesn't equal danger. Right.
That I could be okay. And not only that, but the more that we're able to sit with ourselves, it really does start to transmute some of the difficulty. And then we just gradually gain confidence in this system that's been developed where we can soothe ourselves.
Speaker 1:
That's like a haiku. I wrote one time, <affirmative> that load you strung. Oh, it's, it's, uh, I need to memorize my poetry better. Uh, it reads this way, healing alchemy. That load you struggle under. Is it lead or gold?
Speaker 2:
I love that so much.
Speaker 1:
Um,
Speaker 2:
So much
Speaker 1:
So talking about this. So we talk about somebody having a hard heart and a soft heart. Yeah. So I, so in my mind, to make the connection hard heart is the incoherence, the soft heart is the coherence.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
Um, what, what do you think about, and I don't know if you have any thoughts about this, 'cause I, I've been around some people where I feel like I can be vulnerable. I can, some people I feel my, I just clam up and I don't feel emotional about that. I, I can't like mm-hmm <affirmative>. Even if something is hurting me, I won't cry. Like it's, I feel hardened incoherence probably is what I'm feeling here. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But there's some people I'm around where I just feel seen, I feel accepted. I feel, and I, and from our conversation today, there's a coherence between me and the other person mm-hmm
Speaker 2:
<affirmative>. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
Is that, is that a Oh, yeah. Coherent way to say that. That's
Speaker 2:
A coherent way
Speaker 1:
To
Speaker 2:
Say that. Where you think, um, you know, cortisol, something I've studied, I think you know that mm-hmm <affirmative>. And the fact is, is that if somebody comes in stressed, they've got an incoherent heartbeat and their, their cortisol's up, it's going out five feet.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And it's affecting my coherence. And so this is why, being careful with who we're around, but if we are gonna be around someone who's really challenging our awareness, just shedding light on the fact that I'm in a difficult experience, but it doesn't matter, um, what that person thinks of me, or, or whatever's going on. I think that there's times where it's not appropriate to be vulnerable with certain people who absolutely are hardhearted. Yeah. That where we can just with our stoicism, um, that we can stand in confidence in ourselves. We can stand in confidence, but also be, you know, have the soft heart as much as we can. And it takes a lot of intentional practice, I would say, from experience to get to the place where we can be in coherence, even around difficult people and just choosing to pull ourselves outta situations.
Speaker 1:
Well, I, I think too, just from what you're talking about and like the, the, what I'm thinking about and, and the way I, I, I mean, the way I think about this is it's, it is important to be around who we are around. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. It is important. And I just feel like the more connected I am to myself, the more coherence there is in me personally, I will gravitate to other people who are, have a, have a like, level of coherence in themselves. Yeah. And I will feel comfortable and safe around them. Maybe I, I don't know if those are the right words. Those,
Speaker 2:
That that's exactly it. That your coherence is matching someone else's. Your coherence is matching someone else's where you, and, and we can be just drawn to those people where we're able to be more vulnerable. And, uh, it's an interesting fact as well though, when we really want something and it's in our heart, like, you know, I want this car, or I really want this, you know, person to like me, or whatever it is, that chases away, that chases away often, like, through the energy of just wanting something too much.
Speaker 1:
What's interesting as we sit here and have this conversation is these are concepts that I have understood from different, um, lenses, if that makes sense. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, this seems more thinking of about it, the way we've been talking about it now makes sense to me. Hmm. But the, I, I understand the principle being around people, um mm-hmm <affirmative>. Like, if, if you want something, then it changes the way you behave towards it. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. You know, so I, I guess what we're talking about now is more, um, is a, for, it's for, for me at least, it's, it's a more fundamental understanding as opposed to just saying, behaviorally, this happens. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's more of a surface level, if that makes sense to you. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. It makes sense. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, because I like this idea. I like when I, when I'm presented with things, I like to break them down to their smallest parts if I can.
Speaker 2:
I think that's the best way.
Speaker 1:
And look at them. I, I,
Speaker 2:
I love that too.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. And think, okay, have I experienced this? You know, break it down. Yeah. And what we're doing now is we're breaking down these things. I mean, to, to, to the atomic level. <laugh>, we really are. Um, and I, and, and this is something that, that, I dunno, six, seven years ago, I would've thought this is woo woo stuff. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:
I
Speaker 1:
Don't think that way anymore. Yeah. I'm open to all sorts of, um, ideas.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
And I don't think this is woo woo, actually at all. Yeah. When you think about light and lights everywhere, lights
Speaker 2:
Everywhere.
Speaker 1:
Even in darkness, there's light. Even in
Speaker 2:
Darkness, there's
Speaker 1:
Light. And I love that idea. Yeah. Because I've always thought of light as visible light.
Speaker 2:
Right. And it's not,
Speaker 1:
It's not, it's not at all. So even in my shadow, there's still light.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
Even in the dark parts of me, there's still light. It's just not visible light. Right.
Speaker 2:
Right. Exactly.
Speaker 1:
You know, I use a lot of, and you know, when I write poetry and, and philosophy and things like that, yeah. There's a lot of light and dark. I mean, I'm, it's not unique to me by any stretch.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
But it's always a yin and yang. It's always the opposites. And I believe that opposition is good. I mean, that's what makes, there's this quote from this, uh, physicist at Harvard, I forget what his name is, but he says, um, it's the breaking of the symmetry that makes where the magic happens. And I think about that with, 'cause if everything is, you know, I mean, it's when things break that changes are made Right. Or changes come. And so I don't know why I, I dunno why <laugh>, I don't know why I referenced that. I had an idea. It, it made sense to me when I was thinking about it before it came out of my mouth. But anyway,
Speaker 2:
It's a beautiful concept though.
Speaker 1:
The idea is that, um, I used to think that there were, there was a distinct line between, um, light and dark, and that the light chased the dark away. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And the absence of light, the dark came in. And that's true with visible light. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But not necessarily with infrared, or not necess, I mean Right. We were talking about this before we started. You look out in the vastness of space, there's so much black out there. Yeah. But it's full of light. That's just not visible light.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
Right. It's coming to us from the stars. It's just not visible till it hits something. Right.
And then, and then when it hits something, well, I, I don't know if that's true with, well, I actually, maybe I'm speaking now above my pay grade, because I don't, maybe infrared light doesn't, if it hits something, I probably not. But the visible light that we see it, the photons, they hit something and then they light it up, and then we see the light. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. It hits the green couch. And we, and we see the light off of, that's why we see the couches. 'cause the light is reflected off of it in a wavelength that is green.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. It's
Speaker 1:
True.
Speaker 2:
It's true. So,
Speaker 1:
So I guess I'm talking now, I'm just rambling now. But the idea that I'm thinking about is that in my, in the dark parts of me Yeah. In my shadow, there's still light.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
And it's the healing. It's the, it's the infrared light you're talking about.
Speaker 2:
It's the
Speaker 1:
Infrared in darkness. Yeah. It can still be, you can still get the infrared light in darkness. You
Speaker 2:
Can still get the infrared and darkness. And I think the idea that we are on a journey to, to love ourselves, and that if we can love and accept the parts of us that are dark, that we actually increase our happiness in this experience. And we, we increase our health. You know, just the, it, it's amazing to think like, just the fact that we can look at beauty where you can look at something really beautiful and all of a sudden it, your blood pressure goes down and your inflammation signaling goes down. Just looking at something beautiful and feeling the awe is very similar to feeling gratitude. Those two together are, are his superpower for emotional regulation, using emotion like that where I can say, you know what? I showed up the best I could today for what I had. And, and, and it's okay. It's, I think we evolve as people, and part of it is we should be at, at least on a little path towards enlightenment, where we're saying
Speaker 1:
Enlighten,
Speaker 2:
Isn't that quite the word now, enlighten where we go, oh, I see, I see this experience is, I thought it was this. It's really not. I can just allow what's happening to just wash over me like a wave. Instead of holding onto the tiger's tail and going after it. I can say, this is for me to learn, and I'm going to allow and I trust. And part of, um, my experiences in the mourning have been where I've thought, you know, I'm going to these parts of me that, that maybe are hard to love. I'm gonna try to do the right thing. I'm not, I mean, I'm going to try to do the right thing. I don't wanna screw people over. I don't wanna, you know, do things that harm other people or myself. And so the awareness of that, but I think we shift, we make little shifts in the right direction.
And, and that, you know, the lights whispering, you're, you're better than this. That you've got, you've, you, you don't have to settle for living in dislike of yourself. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because I think we have, we do have a natural feeling that that rises when, when we've been unkind or, or been dishonest or, or all of those where we definitely, where we can aspire and say, I'm going to try to, to, to walk in this direction and I have all the dark parts of me still, but I'm gonna start walking in this direction. And that we, we naturally and slowly have our vibration, um, our frequency increased.
Speaker 1:
And it seems to me that we'd be hard pressed to have heart coherence, as you discussed, while not loving ourselves. So true. And in fact, I don't, I I can't imagine that there can be any coherence if we are enemies to ourselves. I
Speaker 2:
Think that's so true.
Speaker 1:
And so that's, I guess I've always thought of healing from, you know, in life from things is reconnecting to ourselves. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's, that's the whole goal. It's not treating others kindly. I mean, that's, that will be the, that will be the result of it.
Speaker 2:
That will be the result of it.
Speaker 1:
That will be the result. Our kindness and, and how we treat other people will be the result of our healing. Our healing. Yes. The process of healing isn't going out and, and treating other people well. Or,
Speaker 2:
Or, or checking boxes.
Speaker 1:
Or checking boxes. Right. Exactly. It, it is reconnecting to who we are
Speaker 2:
And it reconnecting to who we are, which naturally leads to the kindness. Right.
Speaker 1:
And then that's the result because Yeah. This is, this is, this is interesting. 'cause it's, uh, this is me breaking it down that coherence is self-love.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
And, and so you can't heal without self-love. You. And then you talk about all the light, the healing of the, the light. It, it makes sense to me. I mean, it, it, it really does when you think about that way, because how, remember whenever I used to struggle with things, I would make these plans. Okay, I'm gonna get up at five 30, or I'm gonna read with the mm-hmm <affirmative>. These strict, I was just setting myself up to fail. Right. But it, it involved all of these external, um, performative type things to show that, ah, look, it, I'm putting in the work, I'm putting in the hard work. But that external stuff, it's, I'm not saying I'm not dismissing that as useless. Yeah. But if that's all you're doing, if you, your focus is, my focus was I need to appear as, you know, really, if I was honest with myself, I would say the purpose of all of this that I've just planned is to show, is to, is to give the appearance that I'm mm-hmm <affirmative>. Making progress mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I wanted to make that progress. Sure. But that's, if I was honest with myself, that's what it was. Sure.
So it was for other people, not me.
Speaker 2:
Right. Right. Right. And
Speaker 1:
So the healing comes when we can turn inward
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And understand that maybe these people aren't gonna be happy with it.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
But you can't have, you can't have that heart coherence without loving yourself. And if you can love ourselves and it's not gonna be perfect, we're gonna have moments of incoherence that, that's just part of Sure.
Speaker 2:
Here.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. But if we have that love of ourselves and we have that heart, that coherence, it just follows then that that's the energy you're giving off. And that people who, who have a similar, who are, who are in a similar state as you are gonna be drawn to you. Yeah. And you're gonna be drawn to them. Right. And you're gonna be surrounding yourself with people. And it just has this cumulative effect.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
And, and, and the more we feel that coherence and the people who aren't at that, because I'm not, I don't want to say they're incoherent. They're just not at the same level we're at. Right. Right. Right. You know, and, and that's the beautiful part about all of this is they're not bad. No. I'm not good. Right. They're not good. They're not bad. They are in a, you know Yeah. They're in alignment where they, with what they are right now. Right.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
And maybe that's not in alignment with me. Right.
Speaker 2:
And
Speaker 1:
So, working on this coherence, then we are drawn to people who are aligned with us. And that has this cumulative impact on us. It does.
Speaker 2:
It does.
Speaker 1:
And we don't have that. I mean, I have pursued friendships, relationships with people who were not good for me. Right.
Speaker 2:
And
Speaker 1:
I thought, but I want that person in my life. Right,
Speaker 2:
Right. Right.
Speaker 1:
And that required me to abandon myself, which is the worst form of
Speaker 2:
It. You know, what
Speaker 1:
Self
Speaker 2:
Absolutely
Speaker 1:
Not of, of not loving yourself.
Speaker 2:
Right. Oh, it's so true. I I love everything you're saying. There's one word that keeps coming to mind. And that is, when you love yourself truly, deeply, you practice that the way you would practice the piano or tennis or anything that, and you, and you sh that you, you have freedom. It's the ultimate freedom. You know, I used to care so much about what other people thought of me, just like you were talking about Scott. I mean, all the effort that many people put on to just have someone think something. And there, there was a day, like, you know, maybe eight years ago where I just said, I'm done. Everyone else wins. You can win for like the best looking wreath on your door. You get to win for your car. You get to win for whatever I am living for myself, I will live for myself. It doesn't mean I'm just gonna be selfish. It means no, I'm gonna be the best of who I am. I'm not gonna play small, and I don't need to play small, and I'm gonna be, I'm, I'm, I'm going to be the best person for me that I possibly can.
Speaker 1:
And what that does is it enables you, you know, I used to have this idea, you know, when I was a kid mm-hmm
Speaker 2:
<affirmative>.
Speaker 1:
I used to daydream about doing all these heroic acts. Yeah. You know, like, oh, I'll, you know, some, you know, I don't, I go and I save people or do this, and I that I, and, and I've all, and, and I used to think, though, but would I ever do that? You know, would I, 'cause that's hard. And and I think that it's easier to, to, it's easier to do those types of things when we love ourselves. Yes.
Speaker 2:
Because
Speaker 1:
Here's what I'm thinking. So I wrote this poem titled In My Marrow and what you said, just talk to me. It just made me think of this. I am drenched in freedom soaked to the bone even more. It's in my marrow. I brought it from the womb and will take it to the dust place chains on my wrists. Yet I am free, make my walls into iron bars, yet I am free for my mind is unchangeable. And my heart uncatchable abdication is my only threat. I'm Socrates free. I'm a soda free. I'm William Wallace free. I'm Solomon Northrop Free. I'm Victor Frankel. Free. I am human. I am free. It's in my marrow.
Speaker 2:
That's incredible.
Speaker 1:
And what, just listening to you, just a moment ago, it made, it brought this poem to my mind, because if we know who we are and we are in coherence with ourselves Yeah. Then it's almost like, it's almost, I mean, that's the ultimate liberty.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
You can't, yeah. You can physically chain me, but I'm still free because I am.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
I am. Exactly. Um,
Speaker 2:
You're no longer tied to the story.
Speaker 1:
You're not tied to the story. And it, and I have these feelings that I'm trying, that I, I'm not even gonna try to articulate 'cause I won't do it. Right. And I don't wanna just be rambling on. But the, the point I, the, the, the point that keeps coming to me is that I mentioned it earlier, and I haven't really thought about this before this evening, necessarily, is that, or specifically I should say the whole point of like, this life is, I think to love ourselves first. Yes. Not in a selfish way. Yeah. Not in a, um, holier than thou way. But Nietzsche said another thing. He says, a noble, he, he asked the question, what is noble? What is noble? And his answer was, here's how you can tell somebody who's noble. He, he writes, A noble soul has reverence for itself. What a great line. What a great, what a great line. So when you see somebody who has reverence for themselves Yeah. That's a noble person. So it's not, they're better than you are. They just know who they are.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
And that's the whole coherence. That's the
Speaker 2:
Whole coherence part
Speaker 1:
Part. There's coherence between your heart and your mind. You know who you are.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
So when, if people speak ill of you, it doesn't bother you. Maybe it does, but, you know, but, but it doesn't sink you. I mean Exactly. Exactly. People talking,
Speaker 2:
I mean, it's not pleasant, but
Speaker 1:
It's not,
Speaker 2:
I, I mean, it's not ideal, but it's not devastating.
Speaker 1:
You know who you are. Yeah. And you have reverence for yourself.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
And that's has everything to do with the amount of light. So actually let me, so if in, in a state of incoherence, our light decreases mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 2:
We, we, in a state of coherence, we have it, it we have, yes, we have less light, but we have what's called just this interference where the light can't go out. It can't, uh, it can't act naturally because it's, it's, it's being prevented.
Speaker 1:
It's a confusion of,
Speaker 2:
There's confusion there. A lot of confusion. So we just kind of get tied up in that versus coherent light, or we have, and you see people that just have radiating happiness, radiating light, that's authentic. It's not pretend. It's not somebody trying to make you feel a certain way about them. They just are who they are. And they have light. They ca and, and I think, you know, um, you can see it sometimes. You can see it. And it's a progress. I mean, it's definitely a journey. It's a journey for all of us. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you just said, really a lot of why we're here is to, no matter what the circumstances were in our childhood, the things that we were handed that made us not like ourselves. All of the things that were done to us, all of the bad circumstances, all of the choices that hurt other people, that made the tiger come out, that ultimately were able to circle around and to find the fact that in the stillness were much more, much, much, much more in my near-death experience.
I was, I was so loved. I wasn't worrying about, oh, but I did this, I did that. I wasn't even allowed to think that. Um, I had a little bit of a life review, but I really mostly was just, I was overwhelmed and love through the whole thing. And love is really, I don't think you can separate light from love. I just don't think it's possible. Because I, I, I, and I also think that the communication that goes on to the soul, where sometimes that communication from the unseen bypasses the brain and goes straight to the soul, to the heart there. And I'm sure you've had those times where
Speaker 1:
I've understood things
Speaker 2:
That you're like, I don't know why I just understand this. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
All
Speaker 2:
Of a sudden, yeah.
Speaker 1:
My mind is drawn to the new
Speaker 2:
Hmm. A great book.
Speaker 1:
Don't put your light, hydro light under a bushel.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
And also the foundation of, I mean, the reason I, and in the New Testament specifically, I love the four gospels. Um,
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
And so I'm gonna connect a few things here. Let me just, so Christ says that we should love our neighbors as ourselves. Yes. And so the idea is that we need to love and treat our neighbors well. Which if we're supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves, then we should, the, the, the idea being the, the, the unsaid part is that you better love and treat yourself well, because I'm telling you. Exactly. That's how you should do it. Exactly. So when we think about, like, so the foundation of Christ's mm-hmm <affirmative>. Commands. Yeah. Which basically is by this, shall all men know if you are my disciples, if you have loved one to another, so Right. That's Christ's core is love your neighbor. It is. It's love your neighbor. That's, that's Christ's core. And but he's saying, love your neighbor, how you love yourself. And so before, so I would say even in Christianity, from the mouth of Jesus Christ. Right. It, you need coherence in your body so that your light can shine out. Don't put a bushel over your light. Right.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
Don't have incoherent love yourself. Right. Be good to yourself. Exactly. Treat yourself well. Right.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
So that your light will not be covered by the bushel and it will shine out.
Speaker 2:
Right. Right. It's so true. Isn't it amazing? And honestly, after my near-death experience, I keep bringing it up, but I'm telling you what it, it's such a huge part of why we're even having this conversation. Um, our light being worthy, having the ability to see ourselves differently than we do normal basis here. When we have light, when we have, uh, when, when we feel no threat to ourselves. 'cause we have so much love that like you setting your pump, it doesn't matter what happens to me. I can have bars, chains, I can have this, that I'm free. I'm free because I've, I've figured out how to, to love myself that then we have other people that, that it makes it easier to give to other people because we're not threatened in any way. We can easily love other people the way that we love ourselves because we see them differently. And I think that's one thing that's changed. Like my ex, I, I want everything good for him. I used to hate him. I, I would get so angry. I would dream and, and be so angry at my dreams of things that, you know, he did dah, dah, dah da. I've got all these things. I'm keeping track of stuff he's done. And now I really hope he's happy. I really do.
Even though he would probably, I mean, probably doesn't feel the same about me, but it doesn't matter. It's okay. Maybe he does. I don't know. The bottom line is just the fact that loving myself gives me an extra ability to love other people.
Speaker 1:
And, and as we talked about earlier, you were drawn to other people who aren't that same mm-hmm <affirmative>. Who are in alignment with you as far as that level of where you're at.
Speaker 2:
And they show up, Scott, and they show up outta nowhere, left and right, left and right, left and right. People will see my picture in, in like a conference I'm speaking at. And, and they'll see this different speakers and they'll say, I knew I was supposed to come and hear you. It was supposed to come and hear you. The whole conference I, I came was just to see you or something at you. There's a recognition and it's light because our light is communicating with other people's light, because light is a great communicator.
Speaker 1:
Well, that's how we communicate. I mean, that's energy.
Speaker 2:
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And, and again, like we talk about light, it's not visible light. It's, it's, it's, it's not always visible light. Right. Right. And that's kind of what I'm taking. 'cause never stopped. Most of it isn't. Yeah. I, I never stopped to think about that idea. And now that I'm thinking about it, it's like, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And yeah, this is so, you know, earlier I talked about patterns mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I, and I see this pattern now, and, and, and it's something I feel like I can more effectively approach, understanding this light element I is an understanding the importance of, you know, as my understanding goes, as I've explained earlier, my understanding of what it means to love oneself and how that go works in with coherence, heart coherence, as you discussed. Understanding that now as we've discussed in my mind, I think I get it more now and I feel like it'll help me be more, more effective moving forward when I think about, okay, this is why I'm doing this. Yeah. You know, this is why it's so important to talk gently with myself. Right. This is why it's so important to, um, give myself a little leeway and not be so strict with myself about certain things.
Speaker 2:
Right. Right.
Speaker 1:
And this is why it's important to be with around people who don't require or ask whether, whether, um, um, directly or indirectly ask me to abandon myself.
Speaker 2:
Exactly. That's so huge.
Speaker 1:
This is why it's important to be around people who understand me or, or know me well enough that they're okay with me who I am. Uh,
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
And I, I also welcome people who want to challenge me. I also welcome that because I don't Right, right, right. You know, I, I know I, I can make improvements, but yeah. So talking about light and, and, and, and visualizing it as we have, it makes these other things that I've understood that I've been trying to do, it makes them, I, I understand better why I'm doing that. It's not just, you know, take this pill every day and have no idea what it's doing. Right.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
Just take it
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
To understand how it, you know, this, see this pattern, the system,
Speaker 2:
The pattern system that there's,
Speaker 1:
There's
Speaker 2:
Much more at play. And that, that, the amazing part is no matter what we do here, we're loved beyond our comprehension, our ability to comprehend that, that, that we are kept it, that, that, uh, I don't believe we're ever alone.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. And that's something that maybe we can talk about on another episode. Let's do that. Because that brings up so many questions about God. Yeah. About, uh, or, you know, uh, um, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Supreme
Speaker 1:
Being, yeah. Uh, afterlife, uh, <laugh>, pre mortal existence. 'cause I, you know, well, I won't get into it now, but that brings up a lot of questions we should do. Let's, let's do, yeah, I'd like to talk about that sometime. But I, this has been so enlightening and enjoyable for me.
Speaker 2:
I'm so glad.
Speaker 1:
Why? Well, I'm glad it took the time it took,
Speaker 2:
Yeah's.
Speaker 1:
I'm glad it took the time it took.
Speaker 2:
That's right.
Speaker 1:
Um, so you'll come back, we'll talk again. Yes.
Speaker 2:
And I, I, I do have to go back to one thing to
Speaker 1:
Make sure
Speaker 2:
That
Speaker 1:
It's clear. Please.
Speaker 2:
Realizing that, you know, you asked me, this is a while back, white leaves are green and we talked about red and blue. Mm-hmm
Speaker 1:
<affirmative>.
Speaker 2:
So red and and blue are taken in, but it's core feel that's green that gives, leaves the color. So Yeah,
Speaker 1:
That makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
It does emit extra light, but it's chlorophyll. Okay.
Speaker 1:
It
Speaker 2:
Gives it, so just a little clarification there.
Speaker 1:
That's good. That's good. I always welcome clarification. Um, so if somebody wants to work with you
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
How can they find you?
Speaker 2:
So if you, you can email me at suzanne S-U-Z-A-N-N-E at Bates Lumen, which is B-A-T-E-S-L-U-M-E n.com. My wellness company is bates lumen.com. So yeah. I also, uh, my phone number is eight eight oh one five one zero five three five zero. And you can text me or call me. I, I really, really love my job. It's one that goes by really fast. 'cause I just love it. Love it so much. But it's been great to, to spend time and have this conversation.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. It's a great conversation. Um, so all of you who listen, uh, I appreciate it. Um, we're gonna have Suzanne back another time talk about some more fantastic things. So thank you for listening. And as always, in the words of Ee Cummings, may I be, I is the only prayer. Thank you.

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