00:00:13:23 - 00:00:30:10 We are on episode two of Creavo cast. Good to see you. Carl, how are things going? Things are going well. We were all sick this past weekend, but we're all back to health now. So looking forward to jumping in on everything. How about you? Good, good. I had a pretty, relaxing but cold weekend. 00:00:30:10 - 00:00:49:11 Weather was kind of crazy. It just snowed, like, all day Saturday, and it was like that really fine snow or it just built up, but it was just annoying on the roads. So yeah. Yeah, it's been I mean, winter hasn't been too bad here. We haven't had a ton of snow, but it's just been cold this year. So I'm looking forward to that. 00:00:49:11 - 00:01:07:28 Going away soon. So we decided we were going to talk about goal setting and business goals. And the reason we wanted to bring this up is obviously it's early in the year when we're releasing this, and a lot of people do New Year's resolutions, they do goal setting, and they do that kind of stuff at the beginning of the year. 00:01:08:03 - 00:01:33:14 I wanted to share an experience that I've been going through the last couple of years with my business, and how it's been effective and why it's been effective. So probably about 4 or 5 years ago, I met a gentleman, Rob Shauger from Blueprint Leadership. And he basically does these weekends summits. And they're geared towards business owners towards men who want to change something in their lives. 00:01:33:14 - 00:01:56:16 They want to get better at something, be better family man be a better husband. Be a better business owner. And one of the processes that he goes through is around goal setting. And I've done this with him every year for the last couple of years. We actually go back and look at them typically around a six month mark as well, and see if there's anything we need to make any adjustments for. 00:01:56:16 - 00:02:16:23 And what has happened is we now have a group of about six guys total that are part of what we call a strategic summit, and that happens twice a year. And so we just recently had, the first weekend of January, and I was able to sit down and do my goals again and do my goals for 2025. 00:02:16:23 - 00:02:38:15 But what's interesting with the way Rob does it is we think long term, we think ten years out. So he has us sit down and write out 50 goals. Don't think about it. Just write them down. As soon as they come to you, write them down and come up with 50. And then you go back and look at those and say, okay, how many of them do I want to get done in 2025? 00:02:38:17 - 00:02:54:17 How many of them do I want to get done in a couple years? And and how many of them are like long term goals? And so it's a really cool process because it's very much a brain dump. And then you kind of go back and say, okay, how do I how do I decide what I want to really work on this year? 00:02:54:19 - 00:03:11:29 And then once we do that, we kind of break down the one year goals into the tasks that need to be done to accomplish that goal. And that has been super helpful for me because it's everything from I have the goal of running a marathon by the time I'm 50, and I only have a couple of years to make that happen. 00:03:11:29 - 00:03:34:01 So that becomes part of that list. I have a lot of places I want to travel. All those things become part of that list. I have goals for my business that I have certain dollar figure that I want to hit again, that goes on that list. So it's it's all kinds of stuff. It's not just business, but I like to make sure that I kind of balance it between having business goals and having personal goals. 00:03:34:04 - 00:03:57:07 So my question to you, Carl, is do you do something similar with that at the beginning of the year? At any point during the year? I always say I'm at least trying to think three months forward, but I have done that 50 goal exercise and it's something that I actually wrote down so that I can do again, in the coming days, because it helps get you focused. 00:03:57:07 - 00:04:15:27 You got to get that narrow band, the vision to kind of know where you want to be from, you know, days from now, years from now. It's like one of the things that my client teaches, where it's having that vision of where you are now, where you want to go, and then planning that bridge between the two gaps. 00:04:15:27 - 00:04:42:21 And, you know, I, I think that goal setting is very important in business. It's start a it's the start of a strategic plan. It's trying to measure, create your results. And I think it's essential to know where you what you're reaching for. Yes, you can get caught up in the weeds of actually doing the business, the service or the selling the product, but you're just spinning your wheels if you're not aiming towards something. 00:04:42:23 - 00:05:03:15 Yeah, absolutely. And I think something that I want to do better is, like you said, thinking about quarterly like three months out. I have dropped the ball in a sense of that. It's like I'll sit down and do my yearly goals. And then I kind of let them sit and I work on them, but I kind of let that list sit there for six months and then maybe I'll look at it again in six months. 00:05:03:19 - 00:05:26:14 Or sometimes I won't look at it again until the end of the year. Yeah, it's kind of fun to go through and be like, okay, I did this one, check them off and serve those. The ones I did. But I really need to be better about looking at it quarterly and reevaluating. Okay. What I've I'm working on, what steps do I still need to do and then also like what what new things have come up. 00:05:26:14 - 00:05:46:15 Because obviously things change throughout the year and we need to think about like, okay, how do I evolve as the year goes on and how do my goals evolve as the year goes on? So I think it's important, like you said, to think about it more in those three months sprints. And I know one of the things that we've both talked about in business is what they call sprints. 00:05:46:15 - 00:06:10:24 And those sprints are really interesting because they're really focusing on something specific and working on that hard and quick so that you get to that goal quicker. And I think there are some things that I could do personally with my goals to turn them into more quarterly sprints. So that maybe I can snowball that effect and have more stuff happen by the end of the year. 00:06:11:01 - 00:06:29:10 So I think that's really interesting that you you talk about that quarterly look back and I think that's something I want to do more of. So my other question is do you use any type of daily planner, weekly planner calendar or anything like that that you use to help you with those goals or help you with your business? 00:06:29:12 - 00:06:52:21 Because I don't have a formal calendar for that. I typically just write them down in the book because I only remember something if I write it down. I've used things like Trello to set up goals for a project and, you know, set up measurable action for that just kind of shifted around. But no, and I think that you might have a good tool for that, right? 00:06:52:24 - 00:07:15:10 Yeah. But before we go to that, why don't you explain to people what is Trello exactly. And digital post-its I call it. Yeah. They're they're digital sticky notes. We'll say and you're able to post up links, pictures. And you can associate people to these links and you just kind of put them in categories and you can move them around. 00:07:15:12 - 00:07:42:22 For me it was tracking in projects or prospects, prospects in design completed and then shovel it off. So it's great for any creative business. It's good for any project manager. Now there are a million different project management softwares out there. I'd love to hear what our listeners are using. I've used Jira, I've used teams, slack, a whole variety, and I'm always looking for a new one. 00:07:42:25 - 00:08:10:20 Yeah, I mean, I used Trello years ago. I haven't really used it much lately. For me, my calendar is more physical and I have a wall calendar that is dry erase. That is 24 by 36. It fits ironically perfectly between my windows over here on the wall, and I got really lucky with that. So what that is, is that's a dry erase calendar where I can put things that I want to see quickly and say, okay, that's what's going on. 00:08:10:23 - 00:08:28:29 And so, for example, on that calendar, I have green lines for anything that I do for virtual production work for a specific company. And if I have to that day, I'll put two green lights. If I have more than two, I'll put a bunch of lines. But what that allows me to do is I can look at that quickly. 00:08:28:29 - 00:08:52:04 If somebody is asking for me to do something and say, okay, I already know I have something that day, it's not necessarily written time wise, it's just a green light. The other thing that I do is that one knows strategic summits come up or other projects I'm working on that are like the summit. I will actually do a red box around that weekend so that I, again, can look at that really quickly. 00:08:52:04 - 00:09:07:19 And so I have that coming up. Or I have to be careful because if something else is going to be planned, I already know that that's on the books. I do the same thing with my golf tournaments. I've got all my golf tournaments on that as well, so that I know when I'm going to be going to a golf tournament and I look forward to that. 00:09:07:19 - 00:09:29:28 I do the same thing with like vacations. And so that all lives on my dry race calendar. Now, I still have my digital calendar that I continue to use that that's super important. It's sync between my my Mac and my phone and my iPad, and that's all the same. This one, the physical one, is just a way for me, able to see it quickly and say, okay, this is what I have going on. 00:09:29:29 - 00:09:51:07 And so that I try to keep up to date is the best I can. I definitely look at that every quarter and make sure that any virtual sessions that might have moved or I had to trade with somebody or they canceled, they get taken off the calendar, they get moved. So that I know when I look at that, that it's the most accurate it can be. 00:09:51:09 - 00:10:16:19 I can imagine with kids that there there has to be some type of system, I would think, in there for you and your wife to keep track of what their schedule is, and I was hoping you would bring that up. So what do you do to show us? So this is the hero's journal. Now, if you can see my mimics in the background, a lot of that stuff in the background is just gaming stuff because I'm a big gamer, role playing and such. 00:10:16:22 - 00:10:39:06 This gamify task management. And it has a companion set up, side quest deck. Now the hero's journal. My wife got this for me, because she knows that I'm. I'm working on a goal where I'm going to author a children's book at some point. And so that gives you a welcome. Everything's in black and white. 00:10:39:06 - 00:10:59:12 So if you love to color and doodle as part of your, you know, mindful process of just kind of getting a little bit distracted or detached, it's a good thing to color as you get there. Things as your call to adventure. Consider the moment that you're called that called you to adventure. Mine is growth and skills, both known and . 00:10:59:12 - 00:11:24:08 Then that gives you things like the cost of an action creating your North Star, which when you whenever you're finding a business, you kind of want to think about what your North Star is. I want a better story about me and my creative spirit. That's my North Star. And then you define your quest. My quest right now is to venture into new creative outlets and with current and and new creative partners. 00:11:24:08 - 00:11:44:06 My son is going to be one of my creative partners in that we want to do a children's book. So I'm tracking that journey here. I've stumbled because we haven't written in this in months. But, with the advent of some new technology, some things that will help us do creative stuff a lot faster, and we're going to get back on track for that. 00:11:44:09 - 00:12:05:09 And I that's something that I think is important to remember when it comes to your goals, is that everything isn't going to be perfect, you are going to stumble or you are going to have things getting away. Things are always and I can almost promises. Things are always going to take longer than you think. You may say, I want to have this done in a quarter, and I would be willing to put money on it. 00:12:05:09 - 00:12:22:08 The most likely it won't, because everything always seems to take longer than you think. So that's what I always tell people, is make sure you plan a little longer than you think it's going to take, because that's what's going to happen. But like you said, when you stumble, it's important to take a step back, to reevaluate it and to attack it again. 00:12:22:10 - 00:12:40:09 And and just remember that you kind of go through that process over and over again. You're going to stumble, you're going to miss deadlines, and you just got to make sure that you don't let that discourage you. Don't let that get you down. Take a breath and then go back into it. But I think it's really cool the way it says North Star. 00:12:40:11 - 00:13:00:18 That's basically a goal. That's basically. And then what is your quest? Your quest is a goal. So I think it's great that they've figured out how to how to gamify it in a way that's really fun. And plus I, I have seen that before and the illustrations are amazing. The other artwork that's in there is amazing. So I think it's a great tool. 00:13:00:20 - 00:13:24:11 We'll definitely link that in the notes. You can take a look at yourself, but I want to share. I developed along with Rob from Blueprint. We develop a planner that we call Tactical Thinking Time, and this is a 90 day planner that I built with Rob. And this allows me to take those goals and to break them down even more. 00:13:24:13 - 00:13:46:18 And so the way this planner works is you have a space for your annual goals, and it has based be able to write down like, okay, what are some of the steps. And so we we have to set up. So there's five initial goals for the year. And then there's three bonus because obviously if you get one of those done early and you get done in the first quarter, you want to have another one that you kind of lean on and say, okay, what's what are we going to do with this one? 00:13:46:20 - 00:14:10:19 Then it gets into breaking it down. And this is where I was saying, I want to be better about quarterly. It does. It basically takes you from annual goals to quarterly goals to monthly goals to weekly to daily. So it literally breaks that down for you. Once you get through and you start your week, there are weekly tactical thinking time notes. 00:14:10:22 - 00:14:31:27 And basically it starts with what we call an after action report, which is what happened the previous week. What was good, what was needed to be worked on it better then we put in what are our wins? What are really well last week. And we want to have that gratitude for having things go well. And then we also again we put in what didn't work well. 00:14:32:03 - 00:14:51:14 So what do we know? We need to change in the coming week. And then from there we we set up what's our weekly forecast. What do we have coming up that's on the personal side. What do we have coming up that's on the professional side. And then it breaks down into your weekly goals that are based on your annual goals. 00:14:51:17 - 00:15:15:24 And so you pick something that you really want to focus on that week that helps you achieve that yearly goal. And then on the daily one, there's actually Monday through Sunday. There are actually day sheets in here that break down your weekly goals into tasks for that weekly goal. And it's got a space that you can transfer that weekly goal each day so that you'll remember what that is. 00:15:15:27 - 00:15:34:11 Then it's got a schedule on the right hand side, so you can go through and block off what's going on. And then it's got a task list for everything else that, you know, you got to get done. Now the daily stuff takes me about 15 minutes. The weekly stuff takes me anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes, depending on how in-depth I go with it. 00:15:34:11 - 00:15:59:20 The quarterly stuff usually takes about 45 minutes as well, and then the annual stuff does take longer. But once you do that the first time, you're not really having to repeat that much. But it is good to go back and look at that stuff each 90 days. And so this is set up to be 90 days. And so when I get to the end of this book, I know I need to transfer those annual goals to the next book. 00:15:59:20 - 00:16:21:11 This works really well. And the cool thing is I have developed this so that it is a physical planner, but I also have it developed. So it is digital. So I have a digital version that I use my iPad and I write on there, and it works exactly the same way. This is something that we will be bringing to market hopefully this year. 00:16:21:13 - 00:16:39:26 There's some tweaks that I continue to make to it, but I think we are at a point where I think this would be valuable for people. So you will start seeing some stuff from me on how this works, what the different pieces are, and if it's something that you're interested in finding out about, definitely reach out to me and I could share more information with you about it. 00:16:39:28 - 00:17:18:08 Excellent. Nice to have those tools. Absolutely. And I think that is it's important. A few things that I noticed in that we can have our goals, but we need our goals to be more granular so they don't overwhelm us when we're trying to plan how to reach those goals, those little steps to action. Recently we went through cleaning our refrigerator out or and we noticed that you look in your fridge and if it's if it looks desolate, like it's things are everywhere pushed in, you can get overwhelmed that you don't even know you're going to be throwing out half the stuff in there because you don't know what's in there. 00:17:18:10 - 00:17:41:15 You got to organize stuff in ways that are mind breaking, I guess. And I think that when you get granular and think about how how things are placed, maybe things going in different spots, where am I going with this? You just need to think differently about how to set up these goals and make them more granular and put them in their right spot so you can create action. 00:17:41:17 - 00:18:05:01 So when it comes to goal setting, there's some important points like making it specific. So you say, okay I want to make six figures this year. That's not specific enough. You really do need to make a number that you want to reach for. And the reason for that is because the next step is you want it measurable. You want to be able to say, okay, did this happen or did does not happen? 00:18:05:01 - 00:18:21:00 And did I get part of the way there? Did I get all the way there? Did I exceed my goal? And by having it be specific and having it be measurable, it makes it a lot easier for it to be granular so that you can break it down into those parts and say, okay, what are the specific parts? 00:18:21:00 - 00:18:56:18 Because that's you think it's even these smaller parts of the goal need to be specific, because if you're not specific with it, it's very easy to be like, I kind of did it or it didn't do it. Well, if you're specific, you can really measure that, and that helps. And that brings me back to what my point was going to be actually in the ADHD mind, which a lot of us are kind of dealing with, maybe if we don't actually have it, where in a world where everything's trying to take our attention, we've got, separate things out into these smaller piles, as you mentioned, that's how we can plan our course of action. 00:18:56:18 - 00:19:18:09 And then the other thing that I noticed in your discussion is you're working with Rob, you're working with these groups. There's got to be some measure of accountability. And that's how we launched this podcast. We started to wanting to hold each other accountable towards our goals. So you want to talk about how that element comes in. So really interesting that you brought that up. 00:19:18:09 - 00:19:43:06 And I wasn't even going to talk about this. And I'm glad you brought that up because I listened to Ed Mylett's podcast this weekend, and Ed Mylett is a huge motivational speaker he's a coach. I'll link to the the episode in the description. In the notes, he talked about the temperature in the room and how you really need to think about what your temperature is. 00:19:43:11 - 00:20:02:29 It's the what are you giving? Like what? What is the percentage you're giving? So if you're giving 85%, he looks at it as, okay, the temperature in the room is 85 degrees. And so he said you want to surround yourself with people that will raise the temperature of the room that you're in. And I thought that was really interesting. 00:20:02:29 - 00:20:24:00 So he uses the analogy of a thermostat and talks about if you're in a room and it's with business people and it's with goal setters and it's with people that really focus on it, they will help you level up. They will help you raise the temperature in the room. And I thought that was a really interesting way to talk about that and use that analogy. 00:20:24:02 - 00:20:47:24 And so I feel like I don't try to do it all yourself. I think the best coaches in the world have coaches and mentors, and there's a reason for that. They know that even if they're good at what they do, there are things that they need help with. And so I, I turn to Rob because Rob is my business mentor as well as a really good friend of mine, but he keeps me accountable. 00:20:47:27 - 00:21:08:05 He's checking in on me, several times a week. He's just like, hey, how's this going? How's that going? Did you get your butt to the gym this week? Those kind of things. And believe me, it is tough when you're friends with somebody to admit that, yeah. Can't quite get there as much as I wanted to this week or didn't quite reach the goals that I had set for this week. 00:21:08:07 - 00:21:36:27 But you're right, having somebody there to work with allows you to be accountable and allow somebody to hold you accountable. The other thing that's great, it's the reason why I do the summits, is it's more than just Rob. There are other people in the group that you can bounce ideas off of that you can collaborate with. Again, that's the whole point of this podcast, is we want it to be able to collaborate together, but keep each other accountable for what we're trying to do this year and going forward. 00:21:36:27 - 00:21:56:14 And so going to the summit gives me that as well. It gives me a group of guys that I could be like, hey, I'm going to do this now. I can't believe I'm going to put this out on a podcast because it means I have to stick to it even more than I already need to. So one of the discussions we had in the group is that I want to eat better, and I want to take better care of my body. 00:21:56:14 - 00:22:16:14 I want to get to the gym more, but I want to focus on my eating. And Rob does this to me a lot. Where he just comes up with these ideas and somehow gets me to do them. And so here's one. This summit was, hey, how about you cook a new recipe and post it to our WhatsApp group every Tuesday night? 00:22:16:16 - 00:22:35:00 And of course, at first I was like, I don't know, do I really want to do this? And of course, then he turns to the rest of the group and says, okay, what are you going to be accountable for? Well, now I don't have a choice. I have to do it. So I now post and I will be posting and we're recording this on a Monday. 00:22:35:02 - 00:23:00:24 I'll post my second recipe tomorrow in the WhatsApp group so everybody can see it. Now everybody else has their own things that they need to be accountable for, and I'll be watching that WhatsApp channel to make sure that they do what they said they were going to do. So that's another way we do it, is we use WhatsApp as a group to continually hold each other accountable within that same group, and then Rob is in there making sure that we're doing the things that we said we were going to do. 00:23:01:01 - 00:23:18:12 So that's my thing that's going to help me reach the goal of eating better is now I have to post a recipe every week that they wanted me to make it up. And I was like, I'm not a chef, but I can find new ones that I could play around with and hopefully come up with some cool stuff, don't get me wrong. 00:23:18:12 - 00:23:53:08 But you actually made a recipe card for that, right? Yes. And I was going to say that that was the cool part is another goal of mine is I wanted to do more creative side projects. I'm much like the planner. That was a whole creative side project for me. So I said, well, I've always had the goal or dream of putting together a recipe book or a cookbook, and because I'm a single guy and I live by myself, I've always said I wanted to make it for a single guy or a single person because we all know, like, every recipe out there is for two or more people. 00:23:53:11 - 00:24:16:26 Apparently single people are not allowed to eat according to recipes. So I always joke that I wanted to put together a book, a cookbook for one. So I was like, you know what? Having to post every Tuesday, gives me the excuse to come up with these recipes, and then I can use them as a creative project to start putting them on recipe cards that I will share with the WhatsApp group. 00:24:16:28 - 00:24:37:27 And so Tuesday I post the picture of the food and then I say, okay, here's the name of it and a little bit about the recipe. And then I actually build a recipe card that I share with the group as a PDF. So it just gives me that creative outlet to really have some fun with it and not just look at it as a task and a goal. 00:24:37:27 - 00:24:58:28 It's now become a creative outlet for me as well. That's awesome. Yeah, so it's a lot of fun, but it's you're right having those people to hold you accountable is huge. And I'm curious. I know we we hold each other accountable. Like who else do you have that is in your sphere that helps you hold? Let me try that again. 00:24:59:01 - 00:25:24:15 Helps you stay accountable. So this is one half of Creavo the other is Creavo collaboration. And we now have a weekly meeting where we're talking about what projects we have coming in, how we can utilize each other's skills because the idea of Creavo, the Creavo collaboration is that we are using one another's skills in specific markets. 00:25:24:15 - 00:25:47:00 And we have a creative writer, social media expert. We have two print designers, me and Jake. We have a web designer. And yeah, we're looking for resources that can support one another within our client sphere. So we're not going to be the total solution for any client. If a designer is promising you the world, then ask questions to make sure they have all the skills they're promising. 00:25:47:03 - 00:26:18:18 With Creavo collaboration, where be able to bring in other experts to provide support for that work. And so where our accountability is the stand up calls, checking in with one another. How can we help you? What can we do to land this next client? What type of goals are we working for? It's yeah, it's huge. I know for you and I, it's always been that way ever since we met on a graphic design forum many, many, many years ago. 00:26:18:18 - 00:26:36:24 And that's hard to believe. We've always traded work back and forth or supported each other. Like we love to work on branding together because having other ideas or another brain to kind of bounce ideas off of, or to pick the brain of somebody and say, hey, I'm thinking about this, but I'm not quite sure how to do it. 00:26:36:24 - 00:26:55:15 We've always had that. And the same thing with producing. We have always had that ability to say, hey, I got something coming up, can you step in and produce for me? Or, hey, I've got this client that has five sessions they need, and I can only do three, and I don't want to turn the work away. So let's work together to make sure they're supported. 00:26:55:17 - 00:27:19:10 So I think we've talked about this before. Were designers when I first got into running my own business, it felt like designers purposely siloed themselves. They were too afraid to work with other people and to collaborate and to coordinate and to bounce ideas off. And we never had that. And I always thought that was really cool, that we never got ourselves siloed. 00:27:19:15 - 00:27:42:09 But we saw it all the time, and we and we saw this like, it's my project and I'm not share it. And it's like, no, that's not the way to be a good business person. Like, you can't do it all yourself. And I know you were involved in a thread recently talking about that as well, where a lot of clients are expecting a designer to do everything. 00:27:42:17 - 00:28:07:26 And I think it's important as designers that we make it clear that we're not generalist. We can't be generalist because I believe if you're a generalist, you're not good at everything, where if a niche down, you're good at something and you might be okay with these other things, but you have to be good at everything and so I think having our our Creavo collaboration group is amazing. 00:28:07:28 - 00:28:32:27 Having the friendship and a business relationship that you and I have had, it's been amazing. And I think we will continue to do that going forward, to hold each other accountable, to see what goals we want to reach in 2025, and to see what we can grow as a collaborative. Excellent. Yeah, I agree, and I, I would like to say what my goal is for this year, but I actually have not thought about it. 00:28:32:27 - 00:29:01:05 Yeah. Right now it's been head down working on things and I've got a little time. Now it's time to start thinking about those. Well, I saw a funny meme that said January is like Monday. February 1st is the beginning of the year. And I thought that was funny because I was like, man, did it feel like that more than ever with the way the holidays were having like Christmas and New Year on a Wednesday, talk about messing with your work schedule and just messing with your whole flow and everything. 00:29:01:11 - 00:29:20:03 But yeah, I saw that meme that January is Monday, and February 1st is the beginning of the year, and I'm like, that is so true. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to hold you accountable, that when we record next week, I want to know what that goal is. Okay. All right. I guess I got to write 50 things down, 00:29:20:05 - 00:29:41:17 Yeah. You got to get to work on it. And I have the template if you need it. I could send it to you. Absolutely. Send it over. I will. And with that, guys, we are going to close for this week. Thank you for joining us. Please make sure you like subscribe. 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Make sure you check out those notes because we'll have all the information down there. And with that we're going to close out for this week. Have a good week call. It was good talking. You. Yeah. Likewise. }