00:00:00,000 [Wendy Hill] Welcome to Linux Out Loud, where we're shaking off the winter kernel panics and doing a little spring cleaning on our Linux setups. I'm Wendy. Today, Bill and Nate and I are dusting off our home labs, purging a few sketchy packages and planting some new open source tools to see what actually takes root. Grab your favorite fresh boosted distro, crack a window on that stuffy server room, and let's see what's sprouting in the Linux world this season. Welcome to Linux Out Loud, one, two, three. 00:00:45,590 [Nate Wolf] Ooh, that's a fun number. 00:00:47,750 [Wendy Hill] I know, right? 00:00:50,320 [Wendy Hill] I had to double check it multiple times. I'm like, are we really at 123? Yes, yes, we are. You could have skipped it and seen who noticed. 00:00:58,800 [Wendy Hill] We could have. 00:01:00,340 [Nate Wolf] Yeah, but I love numbers, so I couldn't have skipped it. Even if she tried to skip it, I would have really been like, 'Hey, wait a second.' 00:01:08,540 [Wendy Hill] I'm pretty sure there was another number in there that you missed. Right. 00:01:13,470 [Wendy Hill] Oh, maybe that would have been a really good April Fool's joke had I done that to Nate, but I absolutely loved, loved, loved. Loved the last episode of Pseudo Show. It was a blast to edit. And then I was so giddy when I had gotten done with that edit. And it was like, I don't know— 11 o'clock, my time when I'd fully wrapped it up because I did some extra stuff on the backend. And I wanted to text you, and I'm like, no, he's two hours ahead of me. He's two hours ahead of me. Do it in the morning. 00:01:47,510 [Wendy Hill] So I did. I waited. 00:01:49,560 [Bill Schouten] I would have been fast asleep at that hour. 00:01:55,620 [Bill Schouten] But what was funny was. 00:01:58,320 [Bill Schouten] During that episode when I talked about the coffee prank. 00:02:02,440 [Bill Schouten] I wondered if anybody, that works with me, would listen to the show. 00:02:09,289 [Bill Schouten] and have anything to say that I didn't think anything of it until about a couple days later, I get a text from one of my colleagues that says, 'I now know what happened that day. 00:02:26,250 [Bill Schouten] I know. And in big capital letters, it says, 'I know.' 00:02:32,310 [Bill Schouten] Now said person was not there that day. 00:02:35,820 [Bill Schouten] But he knew. 00:02:39,410 [Bill Schouten] He said I knew something was wrong. 00:02:42,550 [Bill Schouten] Now it all adds up. You are a terrible human being for that. 00:02:49,070 [Wendy Hill] I'm pretty sure Neil said that multiple times during that episode as well. Just saying. 00:02:54,250 [Bill Schouten] I'm still waiting for him to come out with Fedora . js. 00:02:59,760 [Bill Schouten] We'll get there, I'm sure. 00:03:01,570 [Wendy Hill] If you guys haven't checked it out, definitely do. Pseudo Show was a lot of fun in general, most episodes. But this particular one, if you're needing a good laugh, I've been there lately, then this is one you should without a doubt check out. Full episode. It's fun through and through, start to finish. 00:03:21,300 [Bill Schouten] Thank you. 00:03:21,700 [Wendy Hill] It almost felt like a great, funny episode of Linux Out Loud with all the jokes and the conversation. I absolutely loved it. 00:03:30,630 [Bill Schouten] It was our version of The Office, basically, with Jim and Dwight exchanging pranks. And we thought. 00:03:38,800 [Bill Schouten] The world's a strange place right now. Technology is strange. There's a lot of things going on that are strange in the IT space. Let's find something fun and lighthearted to come up with for that episode. And I'm glad you enjoyed editing it. And thank you, as always, for all you do editing our show. We are eternally grateful to you. 00:03:58,710 [Wendy Hill] Well, it's fun. I definitely enjoy doing it. And that's not the only thing that you have been up to, lady. You got a heck of a lot more going on than just pseudo show. 00:04:07,670 [Bill Schouten] I do. It's been a very crazy couple of weeks for me, both at work and outside of work. 00:04:15,970 [Bill Schouten] At work, I have customers that want to buy servers. 00:04:21,300 [Bill Schouten] Until they get the price tag. 00:04:23,890 [Wendy Hill] Oh, yeah. 00:04:24,490 [Bill Schouten] Because some of them I'm revisiting quotes from the end of last year. 00:04:28,560 [Bill Schouten] And they're saying my server literally costs twice as much. 00:04:32,870 [Bill Schouten] And I have to explain the whole memory shortage issue and AI and everything else that goes along with that. 00:04:41,540 [Bill Schouten] It's actually turning into interesting conversations about where people can find alternative solutions to what they're using, simply because servers are going to become a luxury item for the foreseeable future. 00:04:57,670 [Bill Schouten] So, if a customer has an application, they're not really necessarily married to it, but they use it just because it's a big name application. 00:05:08,350 [Bill Schouten] That has become, well, do I really need that application? Or is there something that's lesser expensive or more lightweight that you can host for us or that we can host ourselves? 00:05:21,140 [Bill Schouten] And so now we are having conversations about open source hosting and other alternative applications that are a bit more affordable, so that if somebody does need to buy a server. They can pull money from other places in their budget to make that happen, or they simply don't need as beefy of a server. I can get two minis, forums, MS. A2 pros for a fraction of the cost of a modern, normal hardware allocation server and setting them up in a proper family. Over mechanism, you're going to get 90 to 95% of the high availability functional setup as you had before. So there's always some good things that come of this. 00:06:07,310 [Bill Schouten] Outside of work, I have been asked to help. 00:06:11,730 [Bill Schouten] Through Neil. Thank you again, Neil, for connecting me with these people. A young group of students who are creating a startup, the startup which which I'm allowed to tell you is called Fira Stack, F-Y-R-A Stack, part of Fira Labs, the creators of Ultramarine Linux. 00:06:29,520 [Bill Schouten] They're looking to set up some hosting for everybody out there for co-located servers. So you can send them your pizza box Dell 1U and they'll rack it and host it for you as well as their own virtual private servers to compete with the likes of Linode and Digital Ocean. 00:06:47,260 [Bill Schouten] I like that. I really like that because I'm happy to help a bunch of kids get a company off the ground that I wish I had the means to do when I was their age. So what do we exactly do for them? Well. Bye. Try and guide them into making good decisions about their architecture, their networking, their data center builds. But I'm really impressed by what they already know. 00:07:13,110 [Bill Schouten] There's not a lot I've had to really explain or show them, some of it on the business side, but it's more steering them than coaching or teaching them how to do it. 00:07:24,620 [Bill Schouten] Tools that I had to learn how to use, such as Git or orchestration, are just intrinsically built into them. This is the technology they've grown up with. So this is second nature to them. So I'm watching them work organically and fluidly with software and platforms that I would probably struggle with, but if they were doing this in basic Linux KVM 20 years ago with vert manager or even basic vert IO or lib vert D setups, like. I have the historical knowledge that I can pass on to them. At this point in my career, I think that's the most rewarding thing. 00:08:11,480 [Bill Schouten] That I could do is to help give my knowledge back to the next generation. So if you get a chance, check out Fearless Stack. If you are looking for a cool colo provider of some really nice individuals, go check them out. Heck yeah. What I'm doing is I am taking a field trip and everybody knows I hate travel. I hate it with a passion because I did too much of it. 00:08:33,919 [Bill Schouten] But I'm going to make a trip out there. I'm going to go out to their headquarters in Chicago this weekend. 00:08:39,929 [Bill Schouten] Together, we're going to build where business meets Linux. 00:08:46,260 [Bill Schouten] We're literally going to watch a Linux-first business take off from the ground up. And to me, that is just the coolest thing in the world. 00:08:54,790 [Nate Wolf] In Chicago, like, are they downtown Chicago? It seems like they'd be really expensive to host there. 00:08:59,880 [Bill Schouten] They are in downtown Chicago because that is where one of the founders of the company lives. 00:09:05,660 [Nate Wolf] Okay. 00:09:06,070 [Bill Schouten] And the location of the office and the data center is very readily available for her. 00:09:13,140 [Bill Schouten] So that just happened to be where that all lined up. Okay. 00:09:18,590 [Wendy Hill] Nice. 00:09:19,620 [Bill Schouten] My one thing I'm asking of them. 00:09:22,420 [Bill Schouten] The one thing that I want, and I've been promised this. Chicago Dawg. 00:09:27,620 [Bill Schouten] Gluten-free deep dish pizza. 00:09:32,510 [Bill Schouten] Only because I want to see. 00:09:35,150 [Bill Schouten] What kind of weird oddity it is that they eat there. Again, hey, you know, I'm from New England. We have thin crust pizza. So this is the antithesis of that. 00:09:44,880 [Bill Schouten] But when in Rome. 00:09:48,240 [Bill Schouten] When in Chicago. So I'm going to enjoy. a gluten-free deep dish pizza, some good coffee. Going to meet some nice people. And yes, I will get to pet dogs. There are dogs there. So at that office. Well, one thing that has flustered me a little bit. 00:10:05,910 [Nate Wolf] I was going to say, Chicago is not so far away. 00:10:09,660 [Nate Wolf] And so if you want to come over and pet my turkeys, you're more than welcome to. I'm about 90 minutes away from Chicago, maybe 95. 00:10:16,600 [Wendy Hill] So you're more than welcome. 00:10:18,750 [Bill Schouten] I'm going to have to make a few trips out there, I imagine, per year, and I will contact you and let you know. I'll make a little bit of a trip of it. We can go and attempt to pet your turkeys, I'll probably get picked apart by them. 00:10:34,630 [Nate Wolf] No, no, they're super friendly, actually. 00:10:37,519 [Nate Wolf] They're funny creatures. They really are. I have a question. 00:10:40,560 [Wendy Hill] It's chickens you have to watch out for. Chickens are vicious. 00:10:43,760 [Bill Schouten] No, hold on, because if this is Nate, I guarantee you that those turkeys are tied into his home assistant somehow. 00:10:55,230 [Bill Schouten] He's got to have some sort of transponder tied around the neck, and he's just tracking their movements around his property. 00:11:05,630 [Wendy Hill] Yeah, right? 00:11:06,330 [Nate Wolf] They literally welcomed me home when I came today and were like, kind of like, doing their noise at me whatever say on my back on my backpack they they're um their heritage breed they're uh royal palms And so they can kind of fly wherever they want. And sometimes they will fly on top to the second story. If I'm up there, they'll know somehow. And they'll look through the windows for me. It's really kind of funny. Wow. Yeah. But anyway. Just want to say, Chicago's not too far away. I can also meet you. Out there as well, it's not that far. Although I don't want to get, I want to make sure my wheels come back. If I like, I don't like come out of my vehicle, then it's like, I don't have wheels. It's sitting on blocks. 00:11:48,510 [Nate Wolf] I'm not driving. 00:11:49,210 [Bill Schouten] Just so you know, I am landing. I'm taking an Uber to where I need to go. I'm taking an Uber back where I need to go. I'm getting on a plane the next day and I'm coming home. 00:12:00,470 [Nate Wolf] Are you flying into O'Hare or Midway? 00:12:02,360 [Bill Schouten] O'Hare. Okay, there's always one stop that I make when I'm at O'Hare. I have to go to Nuts on Clark. 00:12:09,750 [Bill Schouten] And I have to get a big bag of nuts or caramel corn and cheese corn and that bag— he's corn, what is cheese corn? It's they call it cheese corn out there. Things are called weird in the Midwest, out in everywhere else. 00:12:27,240 [Wendy Hill] To be fair, I'm from Idaho. And when we were in Massachusetts this last June. 00:12:33,140 [Wendy Hill] You guys call things weird names too. So, you know, it's a completely different culture from one side of the United States to the other. 00:12:40,820 [Nate Wolf] The only normal culture is. is Southwest Michigan, as far as I'm concerned. 00:12:46,440 [Wendy Hill] Yeah, I don't know about that. 00:12:49,630 [Bill Schouten] Okay, definition, cheese, corn. It is cheesy popcorn. Like, turn your fingers, orange cheesy popcorn. And if you're smart about it, you get a half bag of the caramel corn and a half bag of the cheese corn and you shake it and then you eat the two together and you get that sweet and salty kind of a vibe. 00:13:10,079 [Wendy Hill] Yeah, that's gross. Just give me one or the other. 00:13:13,120 [Bill Schouten] Cheers. Yeah, that's down the gullet, right down the yap right here. That bag is gone before I have boarded the aircraft. 00:13:22,900 [Wendy Hill] So when you say cheese corn, I was literally thinking of like. Corn, the vegetable, actually, technically grain, right? So I was thinking of corn. with like cheese melted on it. That's what I thought of. I didn't think of popcorn. 00:13:38,850 [Bill Schouten] That sounds pretty good, actually. I could go for some of that. 00:13:42,650 [Bill Schouten] You just ate dinner. 00:13:43,690 [Wendy Hill] You're still hungry? 00:13:44,660 [Bill Schouten] I ate a massive dinner before I jumped in to record the show. 00:13:51,689 [Wendy Hill] Spice. That's spice. Are you getting sleepy? 00:13:53,470 [Bill Schouten] No, it's not. I have to avoid going into food coma halfway through recording. 00:13:59,030 [Bill Schouten] That's the challenge. 00:14:01,550 [Bill Schouten] Struggle is real. The nuts on Clark for breakfast when I landed at O'Hare, along with a decent cup of coffee. 00:14:09,380 [Bill Schouten] I'm going to go do what I have to do, go to my hotel, go back the next day, grab another couple bags of what I call 'combo corn,' bring that home so that my wife has one because I won't be allowed in the house if I don't. 00:14:21,700 [Wendy Hill] Wise man. Yep. 00:14:23,620 [Wendy Hill] Yeah. 00:14:24,000 [Bill Schouten] And then back to work on Monday. 00:14:27,030 [Bill Schouten] Good times. But the project I get to do on Monday all through next week is setting up a Proxmox server at a customer. Oh, goody. 00:14:34,630 [Wendy Hill] Like local to your area or you got to have a travel again for that one? 00:14:37,950 [Bill Schouten] Local to my area. 00:14:40,010 [Bill Schouten] And I've already taken a little, one of these mini, what do they call them? One liter PCs, like a little mini Dell Optiplex that was kicking around. I installed Proxmox on it as a proof of concept. That's the machine that I actually did that whole CUPS test on, where I was trying to publish the printers. 00:15:00,020 [Bill Schouten] And it was mostly successful. So now I'm just going to back up those containers, put them on the big boy server, migrate the Windows VMs from the old server to that one. And then I've got a nice cohesive backup, manageable and maintainable architecture. But one point of frustration. 00:15:19,260 [Bill Schouten] And my life has been this. 00:15:22,400 [Bill Schouten] Light bulbs? This is evil. 00:15:26,690 [Bill Schouten] And I'm gonna tell you why it's evil. 00:15:28,860 [Bill Schouten] First off, you complained about my lighting before we started recording. 00:15:33,010 [Bill Schouten] And it took me about 15. 00:15:33,970 [Wendy Hill] Actually, I complained about your lighting last episode of Pseudo Show. 00:15:39,880 [Wendy Hill] That's when I was finally like, Bill, we got to change this. 00:15:42,000 [Bill Schouten] I even found a lamp to put there. I'm looking at lamps that I can try and put behind me to improve my lighting, but not be blinded at the same time. But I have three of these light bulbs and I got these Zigbee bulbs here, brand that shall be. nameless for now. And all three of them died, and my sensors have died, and my contact switches are dying. So I'm going to avoid that brand, and I'm going to try another brand of switches, bulbs, and sensors. And I may switch some of them from Zigbee to Z-Wave. 00:16:16,180 [Bill Schouten] I even tried a different Zigbee coordinator that didn't work. Now I can't update the firmware in any of the things. 00:16:22,760 [Bill Schouten] So that is my only minor issue going on in my life right now, but otherwise I'm staying super busy, living the Linux life and loving it. Nate, I understand you're also doing a lot. 00:16:39,230 [Nate Wolf] Any comment? So, um. 00:16:42,980 [Nate Wolf] We can't skid past this one. We've got to stop in this rest area. It's important. Number one. 00:16:49,890 [Nate Wolf] Snipe IT or Snipe It. I don't know what you call it. I use that at work too. Also, OS Ticket. That is my primary ticketing software that I use. We actually expanded it. I have it running on OpenSUSE Elite, actually. 00:17:04,700 [Nate Wolf] Good choice for that. 00:17:07,329 [Nate Wolf] But I had to build for the integration, for the email, I had to build the IMAP PHP from source, which was kind of annoying to do because it's not in the OpenSUSE repositories or the Leap repositories because it hasn't been maintained in a while and so it's considered whatever, but meh. Anyway. It's great. We use that for our documentation. We use it for everything. 00:17:31,530 [Nate Wolf] Basically, I'm forcing. 00:17:34,290 [Nate Wolf] The companies that I'm the IT manager for. If you don't send a ticket, you've never asked for it. It does make some people mad. 00:17:43,830 [Nate Wolf] But there's too many people. I can't keep things straight. If I'm in the middle of something like, 'Hey, our tablets are broken in maintenance. Do you think you can get us some new ones? I'm like, 'Yeah, go support at whatever.' I got three different domains they can send it to. It's just a forward. You know. Support at, you know, domain. I don't want people out there sending tickets, although it won't work. Anyway, but I'm just not going to sell the domain anyway. 00:18:11,260 [Nate Wolf] Anyway, so that's what I do. It works great. It allows us to document that we can assign it to different people. So we have the OT and IT side. OT is the operational technology. So the production side handles the PLCs and HMI, stuff like that. And then there's the IT side, which is me and my other guy. And then Bossman, he's on it as well because he gets assigned things. He oversees both departments. 00:18:33,830 [Nate Wolf] Sometimes things have to go to him because he interfaces with the higher levels, you know, the C-suite guy. 00:18:39,890 [Nate Wolf] Anyway, so it works really well. I like it. I basically redeployed it on newer. It was on a Debian and then just kind of migrated everything over to OpenSUSE Leap because I like OpenSUSE. I'm sorry. I just, I'm stuck on it. Like I'm stuck on Band-Aid because OpenSUSE brand stuck on me. So also. 00:19:00,020 [Nate Wolf] It— If we wanted to move it over to SLE and actually have a supported contract on that, it'd be very easy to do. And also, really, you can get support contracts on Leap as well. With SUSE, Leap is an option. um whatever. Anyway, so I just want to throw that out there. Also, We do need to talk light bulbs. I want to probably like an offline, you know, maybe on Discord or something, whatever. Maybe Telegram. I don't care how you want to do it, but like a video chat. I want to show you what I did. With Home Assistant and these lights that I bought at Menards. I don't know if you know what Menards is. You can save big money at Menards. It's kind of a Midwest thing. But anyway, I'd like to show you what I did with that as well. I'm not going to say they're— I need to build a new. 00:19:47,080 [Nate Wolf] a new Home Assistant. 00:19:49,940 [Nate Wolf] machine and I have the hardware. I just haven't taken the time to get her done. because it's on a Raspberry Pi 3, the Pi 3 keeps running out of memory and so I've pushed the sucker a little harder than it should have been pushed and so sometimes the MQTT thing kind of falls off and I have to reset it. But anyway, yes. 00:20:09,130 [Bill Schouten] That machine looks like. 00:20:11,590 [Bill Schouten] Maybe a Nook 7i5 BNH1? 00:20:18,540 [Nate Wolf] How would you know what that is? Did we talk about this already? I've been hit in the head a few times, so. 00:20:25,040 [Wendy Hill] No, apparently Bill is just magical and has worked with enough servers that he just knows. He just knows. 00:20:31,280 [Bill Schouten] I know it's an H and a 1 at the end, but it's either a 7th or an 8th gen. 00:20:37,250 [Nate Wolf] It is. 00:20:40,480 [Nate Wolf] Hold on. I'm very embarrassed by this. 00:20:44,680 [Bill Schouten] I'm extremely embarrassed by this 7i5-BNH1. 00:20:53,490 [Nate Wolf] The regulatory model is a NUC 7i5-BNH. 00:21:02,790 [Nate Wolf] 2017 Wow. 00:21:05,270 [Wendy Hill] Go Bill. And don't feel bad. Nate Magneto cusses every single time he has to put on his reading glasses as well. All right. 00:21:12,150 [Nate Wolf] So insert those expletives. Magneto would say. 00:21:15,960 [Nate Wolf] Because right there. So why do I know that? I know that because How did you know that from this? 00:21:23,090 [Nate Wolf] I knew. All right. That's not even possible. You can't know it from this. Yes, it is. 00:21:27,880 [Bill Schouten] I can tell you why. 00:21:29,750 [Bill Schouten] Hold the front of it up to the camera. 00:21:32,010 [Ryan DasGeek] Ah ha! 00:21:33,580 [Bill Schouten] There's a blue LED that goes around the front of it. Yep, that's the model that has the blue LED around the front of it. Okay, but how'd you get from this? Okay. 00:21:44,080 [Wendy Hill] He was shaking it. 00:21:47,280 [Bill Schouten] I could look closely enough at the ports in the front of it and tell you that the 10th gen and higher had USB-C. I could tell you that it's the H because it's the thicker version so that it has the NVMe and then a SATA port for a single 2. 5-inch SATA SSD. 00:22:05,900 [Bill Schouten] Thank you. And then. 00:22:07,800 [Bill Schouten] I guessed it was an i5 because the i7 versions were limited and not popular because they really didn't have much more power than the i5. So they didn't sell a lot of them. Why do I know all of this? Because I used to sell tons and tons and tons and tons of NUCs at work. I've probably built hundreds of them. 00:22:30,160 [Nate Wolf] Well, this is retired at work because we can't put Windows 11 on it. 11 on it, correct. And so I can't, I mean, okay, I can put Windows 11 on it, but the issue is if I'm assigning it to somebody and something goes wrong or sideways on it, now we're losing money. Now I got ink. to people. And so I'm just not going to, I'm not going to play that silly game again. 00:22:47,600 [Bill Schouten] You know what you could do with it, Nate, if you needed to, for work purposes, if you are stuck running Windows. Applications and you have access to a Windows terminal server, you can use those little NUCs as Linux thin clients, as terminal server clients to connect to your terminal server instance to run those applications. 00:23:07,000 [Nate Wolf] Interesting. So it's probably doing some sort of an RDP. 00:23:11,830 [Bill Schouten] They're just RDP clients at that point. 00:23:14,460 [Nate Wolf] Interesting. 00:23:17,030 [Nate Wolf] I don't have anything. 00:23:17,610 [Bill Schouten] What I use those for, they're great home assistant machines. 00:23:21,970 [Bill Schouten] They are also phenomenal devices for Chrome OS if you're in a situation where you need to run that. So I'm doing a project at a church right now. They don't have a lot of money. They need new machines. They are currently using Google Workspace. So I installed the Chrome OS Flex on them. They sign in with their Google credentials for the church and off they go. They haven't had to spend anything out of pocket for it. 00:23:47,050 [Wendy Hill] Chrome OS Flex is actually awesome. I actually have one of the machines that I got from you that's currently running Chrome OS Flex. So my kids still have to do some of this. The state testing stuff. I don't want to fire up a Windows machine to do that. And so they're able to log in through Chrome OS Flex in order to get that stuff done because it won't work on Linux in the browser. It just says no. But that way, I'm not having to run a Windows machine. 00:24:17,860 [Wendy Hill] It works on Chrome, and I think it works on Chrome because of some deal, right, that schools and stuff have made as far as having enough Chromebooks and that kind of stuff going on. So because of that, it'll run. In the browser on Chrome OS or even Chrome Flex where I can't actually launch it or it's not happy on a Linux distribution. It works, right? They're able to get their stuff done and I don't have to have a Windows machine. 00:24:49,260 [Bill Schouten] And I've seen people do the opposite and install Linux on Chromebooks. 00:24:53,260 [Wendy Hill] Even on Chrome, even on Chrome, on Linux, it says no. 00:24:56,580 [Bill Schouten] Oh, really? And I think it has to do with the way, from my time working in schools with the vendor, regarding the standardized test, making sure that there's not a lot of escape points out that could potentially alter that test. 00:25:14,649 [Wendy Hill] And anti-cheating stuff that they have on it, I think. 00:25:17,330 [Bill Schouten] All the anti-cheating stuff, yeah. 00:25:19,190 [Wendy Hill] Yeah. 00:25:20,550 [Bill Schouten] But speaking of installing Linux on cool things. Nate, you've been busy trying to install, according to my show notes, you're installing Arch on some of your systems. No. I had the same problem with Sudo Show. These glasses get dirty and then you don't see the things you're supposed to. And I got to clean these things again. I don't know. This just keeps happening to me. The glasses fog up or they warp or the lenses get put in wrong again. And I don't know. 00:25:52,120 [Wendy Hill] Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. 00:25:53,700 [Bill Schouten] Oh, it says installing OpenSUSE on things. All right. So I guess tell me more about that. 00:25:58,980 [Nate Wolf] So one of the things that I sometimes, I've gotten away from a little bit just because of time and just opportunity hasn't, well, actually opportunity has kind of been there, but it's not really. 00:26:09,460 [Nate Wolf] Installing Linux on things. There's something fun, I think, about just taking a machine that's been neglected, discarded, whatever, and then putting Linux on it and making it something that I want to use. 00:26:22,670 [Nate Wolf] So I'm a fan. I didn't know—this, you know— but OpenSUSE. specifically the tumbleweed distribution. 00:26:29,590 [Nate Wolf] Huge fan. 00:26:31,440 [Nate Wolf] Care. Hmm. 00:26:33,210 [Nate Wolf] It's actually says SUSE on it. So the open variant of this. And I've just been installing Linux on these different things that I've acquired as of recent. By recent, I mean like within the last six-ish months, three months, four months. I don't know, something like that. So one of them— the first one— is this. I got it from someone who's on um who joins Linux Saloon, Mike Chilson. He sent me this 2007 MacBook. 00:27:04,740 [Nate Wolf] and the info says it's 5 comma 2. I don't know what that means, but it's a MacBook 5 comma 2. That doesn't show up on any marketing, anything, anywhere, but that's what it says on the inside of it. So that's what we're going to go with. So not as a core two duo, so not particularly powerful. Four gigabytes of RAM, about 150-ish gigabytes of storage. I can tell it does have a spinning rust. I was thinking maybe I should throw an SSD in there. I've got some lying around that I could probably throw in there. Don't tell anybody it's probably worth more than gold now. But anyway. 00:27:33,310 [Nate Wolf] It runs pretty well. I mean, so Mike did put a new battery in here. So it has about a two to three-hour runtime on this. It's not bad. 00:27:43,160 [Nate Wolf] That magnetic charging that Apple put on this, very clever because you can trip over the cord and no one's injured by it except maybe, you know, you get like it. I would have a sour face, but outside of that. No, it's fine. So it has the NVIDIA C79, which I don't know what that is, but it says the GeForce 9400G. So it's using the Nuvo, and this is running on X11, as far as the graphics are concerned. 00:28:12,200 [Nate Wolf] And. And even though it's a court to do. Which is a bit long in the tooth. And actually, it runs great. It runs great with Plasma. Now I did end up putting MX Linux on here. And just because I was doing some distribution testing. And I needed something to throw down there. This is a great MX Linux machine too. But as far as like— I bet. I'm actually really surprised how useful this machine is from 2007 doing modern workloads. I mean, actually, it plays YouTube just fine. I mean, like doing, you know. 00:28:42,360 [Nate Wolf] full HD because it doesn't have full HD for the display. The display is really quite nice. And so it's actually a really decent machine. Would I use this for work? No, because it's only 4GB. Of ram and a lot of things I just I push machine a lot harder than that so I couldn't do it for work but you know sitting on the couch you know typing or browsing or whatever this is a great little machine and it's still a fantastic little machine I'm way snapper than expected I couldn't believe it because you know the There's a term and you're gonna have to bleep out. This Wendy. but it's like the uh the of technology. 00:29:18,970 [Nate Wolf] And it's, I don't know how you're gonna bleep that one out. 00:29:21,020 [Wendy Hill] I'll do what I did to Noel on the last pseudo show. Where I will cut the word entirely and then over your mouth, you'll get like, I think it was a BAM or something. Okay. A comic book. Yes. 00:29:35,800 [Bill Schouten] It's a. But while this is off edit, I have a question. 00:29:46,110 [Nate Wolf] Back to the show. Back to the show. What I would say, since that word can't be used here, it's the crapification of of technology. I would say, especially in the last three, four, maybe five years, in many ways, not everywhere, not in totality, but a large portion of what is out there is really becoming garbage. I mean, I'm not going to, this is not to put crap on Windows, but really, I mean, I actually like Windows 11. 00:30:17,620 [Nate Wolf] If Microsoft to make it Windows 11, the LTSC version, the enterprise, whatever, the stripped down version, that is a great. 00:30:24,900 [Wendy Hill] Because that's without all the, they're built in. AI stuff, right? 00:30:28,150 [Nate Wolf] And none of their applications that are thrown in there, none of their garbage is thrown in there. They make it extremely difficult for you to buy it, but that is probably the best Windows I've ever used, Windows 11 LTSC. 00:30:40,110 [Nate Wolf] But getting it is like trying to pull teeth. Yeah, it's the best Windows I've ever used. Well, Windows 98 SE. 00:30:45,550 [Nate Wolf] for different reasons, but anyway. So that machine, great machine, that Apple. And then also I got this MacBook Air 7,2 from 2015-ish, I think, I believe what it is. based on the CPU anyway. 00:31:02,000 [Nate Wolf] So this has 8GB of RAM, about 230GB of storage, has a 54Wh battery. I get about 5-7 hours out of it with OpenSUSE and Tumbleweed. And. But it depends on what I'm doing. Just like light things, but probably about five hours. And this is a great little Linux machine. Now the only problem I would say I have with this is sometimes it doesn't want to turn on from coming to sleep. Like waking up, it doesn't like to wake up sometimes. I don't know if that's a Linux-y issue or if that's a Mac issue or if it's the Mac with Linux issue. Not really sure. It's not a constant. But this does have the Intel HD graphics. I'm running with Wayland on this. This also works great. Not a single complaint about the operation of this thing outside of it being a little bit sleepy. 00:31:47,129 [Nate Wolf] I really appreciate the battery life. And then also the webcam was easy to get working. It's right in the main repos for Tumbleweed. It's a PCI. The webcam's the PCIe bus instead of the USB like most computers. It's Apple being Apple. That's cool. Um. 00:32:05,040 [Nate Wolf] And it also has that magnetic charging thing too. But why this magnetic charging doesn't work with the other one? Only a few years apart, really. 00:32:12,890 [Nate Wolf] No idea, but whatever. That's Apple. They have a new charger. 00:32:15,880 [Wendy Hill] Yeah, I think there's, for a little bit, like every single new generation, it was a brand new charger there for a little bit. And on lots of things, not just Apple, in devices in general. 00:32:27,270 [Nate Wolf] And also the, the, the, the, um, the lit up Apple logo here. They need to go back to that. That's actually a really neat feature. Maybe. Maybe it's a cost thing, or maybe there's a little bit of loss of light fidelity in that area. I don't know. Either way, I really think that's a neat feature because I know it comes from the backlight. 00:32:47,620 [Wendy Hill] I know it's one of the things I like about my kids' ThinkPads is on the ones that they have. 00:32:54,490 [Wendy Hill] I still happen to have this one here because it's actually busted. So, if you want to help me, like, look for a good way to replace a screen in a laptop, that's not a. 00:33:04,770 [Nate Wolf] They're not too bad. Oh, goodness. Framework. 00:33:07,770 [Wendy Hill] Good. 00:33:09,530 [Wendy Hill] This isn't a framework. 00:33:10,810 [Nate Wolf] No, but framework is really easy. So they're not actually too bad. It depends on which version. 00:33:16,610 [Bill Schouten] You need a heat gun, though, to. 00:33:20,240 [Wendy Hill] I'll get you the version number, but these do have a little light right here, like the dot on the eye lights up, so you know that it's on when it's on. This one, you know, kids. Kids and even though they've been told technology does not go on the floor, this ended up on a bedroom floor. And my oldest kid, who is my oldest son—yes, he's six feet tall— has the feet the size of hobbits, but he stepped on it. Now it's usable, but not really usable. It has definitely damaged the screen. So if you had to, you could use it, but it's not ideal. The screen has to be replaced. 00:33:58,390 [Nate Wolf] Yeah, they're not too expensive either. Good. 00:34:02,170 [Nate Wolf] Depending on which model it is, of course. But it's less than $100 for the screen. You may have to buy some other little bits for that. Probably check iFixit, whatever the model is. I can probably help you walk through that. 00:34:10,650 [Wendy Hill] That's a good place, yeah. 00:34:11,830 [Nate Wolf] It can't be any harder than doing an iPad. 00:34:15,350 [Wendy Hill] Right. And well, and I've got a tablet, not an iPad. I've got a tablet that does need a screen replace. It's needed a screen replace for the last five years. And I have the screen. I've had the screen for like the last three years and I just haven't gotten around to getting it done. So I should just buy a new tablet. 00:34:31,380 [Bill Schouten] Yeah, for the cost at this point. But Nate, some fun facts about both of your MacBooks there. The white MacBook that you have from 2007 was Apple's education variant MacBook. That's why it came with the original MagSafe charger. The way you could tell that the batteries were going on those was that the touchpad would stop working because the batteries installed right under the touchpad. And as those batteries got older, they would swell up and the touchpad would stop like clicking. 00:35:02,670 [Wendy Hill] Because the pressure on the touchpad. Exactly. 00:35:04,790 [Bill Schouten] So that was the way you kind of knew that that wouldn't work anymore. Fun fact number two. 00:35:11,400 [Bill Schouten] The light on the back of the Mac was the way that I could find my father in the audience when I was in band, because my father would bring his power book with him. So we're going back to the nineties here. He'd have his power book with him. And I could instantly tell where he was because I, at first, would look for the glowing dot in the. And then I would see his face being illuminated by the screen, typing away and writing proposals and doing things while he's there. And he was the only person there with a laptop at the time. I mean, nowadays, that would just be considered commonplace. 00:35:48,290 [Wendy Hill] No, not the laptop. Everybody's faces would be glowing. That's true. They'd be glowing. 00:35:54,210 [Bill Schouten] In their phone, yeah. 00:35:54,850 [Wendy Hill] Yeah, they'd be sitting like this, right, in front of their faces, like watching the play through their phone instead of actually watching. 00:36:02,460 [Bill Schouten] Yeah, so they can magnify it— probably. Or band or whatever. 00:36:05,990 [Bill Schouten] That's how he says he survives now is I, you know, No, I can't bring a magnifying glass places. So I just, you know. I bring my phone and I just blow the screen up and then I look like everybody else. 00:36:18,090 [Wendy Hill] To be fair, in order to get a model number off a Lego, here a couple days ago, the macro on my camera like worked great to get that number. 00:36:30,660 [Nate Wolf] It's wild. Yeah, I've before coming to the. 00:36:36,550 [Nate Wolf] The I've used my phone a few times for things. 00:36:42,330 [Ryan DasGeek] Right. 00:36:42,820 [Nate Wolf] Yeah. 00:36:44,760 [Bill Schouten] I can see a fine car. That's cool, though. The thing with Apple too is everybody has said you can't install Linux on a Mac, until kind of recently with the Asahi project. But I remember being in high school on an old Performa, you know, pre-G3 even, the old Motorola CPUs installing MK Linux. And it was kind of a nightmare because you'd have to install. 00:37:11,220 [Bill Schouten] The bootloader is an extension of macOS. So the system would start to boot macOS and would come up with its little extension bar, and then it would flip over into Linux and boot into Linux from there. 00:37:23,900 [Bill Schouten] Yep. So the fact that you have this 2015 Intel MacBook that you've put tumbleweed on, I think you said tumbleweed. Yes. 00:37:33,740 [Bill Schouten] tumbleweed on and you're getting that kind of battery life out of it, that's remarkable. 00:37:38,020 [Bill Schouten] That's really remarkable. 00:37:40,250 [Bill Schouten] And all your peripherals work. It just works. 00:37:43,470 [Nate Wolf] It's great. And what's been fun is, so I'll. This may sound weird. I don't use it like for a long period of time because I just don't need to. But I did run it once down just to see how it went. And. 00:37:56,600 [Nate Wolf] I was a little upset by how good the battery life was on it because it rivals my framework. Which is much newer. 00:38:03,690 [Nate Wolf] But anyway, that aside, I'll use it like if I want to type something like, you know, before falling asleep, I'll grab something instead of going and getting my framework off my desk. I just keep that on the bed. And then what I'll do is I'll just type something up and throw it there. So like I'll only charge it maybe every couple of two or three days. And it's a 2015 MacBook. Pretty impressive. I might be exaggerating a little bit on the seven-hour piece of it, but it was pretty close to seven hours-ish. But I wasn't like, nice. Yeah. 00:38:36,459 [Nate Wolf] So, anyway, that's been great. So now, then, I have, there was a legal hold at work and so some hardware we couldn't touch for many years because of reasons. But now things are too old or too worn out to be reutilized. So there's a Surface Pro 4 and a Surface Pro 7 that I've also put tumbleweed on. 00:39:00,390 [Nate Wolf] because I wanted to. And so this one here, this is the Surface Pro 4. It's a little bit flaky as far as sometimes the screen does stop. But anyway, so this has 16 gig of RAM, about 43 watt hour. battery. I just installed Linux on it yesterday or the day before, something like that, so I don't actually have any good metrics for how well this works, but the battery only charges to about 50%. And I checked in the BIOS there wasn't anything limiting it, and it's you know, Linux doesn't handle that, so that's that's maybe there's something with Linux and I don't know, but I'm only getting about three or four hours. 00:39:34,960 [Wendy Hill] Are you using the custom Surface kernel on it or no? 00:39:38,800 [Nate Wolf] Yes, I am. I'm using the Linux kernel, the Surface kernel, yeah. 00:39:43,910 [Nate Wolf] So this one, the 4 has, it says a 38-watt-hour battery. I think it had some glycol dripping on it for a while because the pogo pin's a little bit crusty. I kind of cleaned those up. The reason I say glycol is because something burst above in the server room. 00:39:58,920 [Nate Wolf] Anyway, for the air conditioning system, which was actually shut down. But yeah, that's neither here nor there. So I think it might be that causing problems. But it does work. The touchscreen does work. I can't get the stylus piece of it to work. 00:40:11,370 [Nate Wolf] Not really a huge deal. The uh, I probably as far as like the the just the uh those pogo pins, like one of them doesn't come up all the way. So I'm going to work. I just need to probably clean it a little more. Anyway, but it does work with Linux quite well. 00:40:27,300 [Nate Wolf] This one can never be reissued because it's a four and it's. Well, flaky, but a sixth generation. So I can't put Windows 11 on it. I mean, I could, but I'm not going to. And it runs great with Tumbleweed. Actually, I kind of like it. I think we can install the Plasma mobile on this. And that's a really nice interface for it, which is a surprisingly nice interface. And even Plasma now with the new mallet keyboard. what it's called but malay keyboard um also a really nice on-screen keyboard probably some of the best so it's i almost don't need a keyboard except i like keyboards and i can't get the left mouse click i don't know how to do that um with the interface. And then also, Surface 7, which actually, I'm leaving that at work. That's my same kind of issues with this one, except that one doesn't have any glycol damage to it. 00:41:17,990 [Nate Wolf] I'm assuming glycol damage. That one has a bit of a screen that's got a little bit of flicker to the screen. Not a huge deal. I couldn't reissue that one. The Swift 7 is new enough. I could reissue it, but it would annoy somebody. 00:41:30,020 [Wendy Hill] Not with the flicker. 00:41:31,320 [Nate Wolf] Yeah, not with the flicker. And I'm not going to issue machines that can cause people to complain. 00:41:36,529 [Wendy Hill] But so instead of taking my framework, you probably have enough to deal with that you don't want. Yes. Add something to the mix that somebody will like. Expressly, you know, they weren't playing about. 00:41:47,670 [Nate Wolf] The slight flick on the display, it's actually a very well-oiled machine. It was the president of the company. It was his machine. And so that's the one I'm hanging on to. So I'm going to use that when I go into the plant. If I go into the plant floor and do some things, like go up to a switch cabinet or whatever, instead of taking my framework, which is often doing something anyway. 00:42:06,709 [Nate Wolf] I'm just going to take that with instead. Because if I do drop it, it's kind of basically a DNR. They're not going to be resuscitated anyway. They're essentially e-waste that I'm utilizing, both of these things. So with the one I'm going to leave there. It's going to be kind of my, if I got to go somewhere, machine, instead of taking the framework every time, I'm going to take that instead. Not because I don't trust the framework, but because I like the framework more. You know, it's just that. So, for that. So, in summation, to kind of like sum all this up. 00:42:34,450 [Nate Wolf] I would not go out and buy any of these devices necessarily. I would say maybe the MacBook 2007 is by far probably the best built of all of these. And by that, I mean it's the most serviceable of all of them. So I would say that's probably the best. 00:42:48,200 [Nate Wolf] Design of the four devices. Actually, the Surface 4 and the Surface 7 are essentially identical in dimensions. There's some slight differences, like one has Thunderbolt, the other does not, and one, the venting is slightly different. But as far as physical, general physical shape, it's roughly the same thickness and everything else, same display. The MacBook Air is a decent, a distant second. This can be serviced, but not nearly as easily. So it does have a pan it can pull out, but it's still not, a lot of things are glued together in this. So it can be serviced. It's good. Not as good. The Surface Pros are. 00:43:22,950 [Nate Wolf] They're engineered very poorly, as far as I'm concerned. There is. 00:43:27,060 [Nate Wolf] If you want to take those things apart, if I want to replace the battery in it, if it's actually the battery that's going bad, it's not some other weird Microsoft is trying to shiv you because you put Linux on there. Assuming it's not that. Which it could be. But if I want to change the battery on it, it essentially wouldn't be worth the time. It'd be a two or three-hour job to get it off. You got to use like heating mats, warm up to get the glue to basically let go. Then you got to pull this thing apart very carefully. If you look at the iFixit, it's considered very difficult to do. I looked at it. I'm like, it's not going to happen. I'm going to run these things into the ground. 00:43:57,690 [Nate Wolf] I would say the Surface Pro is less desirable than the 7 because the Thunderbolt port— I think— is the USB Type-C connection for port replication or, you know, dock, whatever, or another display, you can do that with that. So that power delivery as well. So I do prefer that. I'm going to keep trying to get the stylus to work because I really want to like try Krita with it and see if I can, you know, do like drawing, whatever, but I haven't gotten that to work. 00:44:26,870 [Nate Wolf] But again, these are DNR machines. If anything catastrophic happens, they're basically done. They're going to be, you know. 00:44:33,280 [Nate Wolf] They're done. They're done. Recycled. Yeah. So I wouldn't buy one of these, but I would say. If I were to want to buy something like a Surface, I'd probably go with either the Framework Laptop 12, which is you know, definitely. A better build machine. But it is not a tablet. It's a convertible laptop. Or perhaps the Star Labs Starlight would be another good alternative. Which is engineered better. They actually allow you to work on it. And I can't vouch exactly for the build quality. I haven't actually held one, but based on the information that Star Labs provides, that seems like a better option than a Surface as well. 00:45:11,960 [Nate Wolf] But anyway, so I just want to show that it's been a lot of fun. Do I need these four machines? Absolutely not. I think the Surface Pro 4 is going to be played with. Basically, my son wanted to mess with it too, so he's probably going to install things on there too. 00:45:25,840 [Nate Wolf] Right. Just for funsies. And I think it's a lot of fun. Kind of going back to the basics of Just installing Linux and stuff and using it is just a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. like a lot, and it just reminded me why Linux is fun. So that was kind of the extent of it. That was my big fun for the. 00:45:50,590 [Nate Wolf] Last several weeks, essentially. 00:45:52,390 [Wendy Hill] It sounds like you've had fun and I love seeing old hardware get put back to use. And in this case, right, it's stuff that could have potentially been reissued, but because of different issues that it had. It's still getting a new life and you're getting a chance to test how does Linux runs on those devices? I know I've had some issues with different laptops and stuff, not necessarily powering back on after sleep. But for me, that's been more of an NVIDIA issue. And that's obviously not the case here. I've also had some issues with Wayland and things not waking back up. But at the same time, like my desktop here is running NVIDIA, and my mobile workstation is running NVIDIA. 00:46:37,160 [Wendy Hill] That could be essentially part of the issue. I think it was when I was doing some digging on it in the past. And so I definitely set our— my machines don't hibernate, right? They go to sleep, but they don't actually hibernate— is one of the things that I've kind of fixed that issue with for the most part. Every once in a while, I'll run into an issue with something not waking up. I know the kids' desktop here a couple days ago. 00:47:02,760 [Wendy Hill] And that isn't running NVIDIA. It's got AMD. But that was like a one-time, a little glitch kind of thing. Not a consistent bug issue. Thing to deal with. 00:47:11,810 [Bill Schouten] I can't say I've had issues with sleep before on a particular Dell laptop, a Dell Latitude 5580, so from 2018, where it would not always come back from sleep. And I'm willing to bet, dollars to donuts, I'm willing to bet that the power management controller in that Dell is very close to or the same one that's in that MacBook. 00:47:36,510 [Bill Schouten] Because it is an Intel-driven Mac. And I know for a fact that Dell borrows or uses a lot of Intel. Chipset hardware inside of the machine, so I'm almost willing to bet you it's not necessarily a Linux problem; it's not a Mac problem; it's an underlying Intel hardware problem with that architecture that just happens to present itself in a couple of different forms. Because I think, if memory serves me correctly, I had an HP that would do that once in a while too. Thank you. 00:48:09,940 [Wendy Hill] And it's funny you bring that up because the laptop I've had the most issues with, which is my mobile workstation, is also a Dell, I think, from about that generation. 00:48:19,240 [Bill Schouten] Yep. That absolutely tracks. I stopped using Dell. 00:48:24,100 [Bill Schouten] with Linux partially for that reason. And I had three different Dell 5580s. Two were Intel-driven, one was NVIDIA-driven, and they all had the same problem. 00:48:36,990 [Wendy Hill] See, it doesn't currently have that issue now. Like it wakes from sleep, no problem. But when I first got it here a couple of years ago, and that was an issue, I would just make sure if I was like working at it and needed to walk away, I would set it so that the screen would dim, but it wouldn't like fully go to sleep. 00:48:56,030 [Bill Schouten] Yep. That's exactly the problem that I had. 00:48:59,720 [Bill Schouten] That's kind of how I go through life. 00:49:06,790 [Nate Wolf] I know I've been having lots of fun with hardware, but when you're having fun with services and changing stuff up on Bill and I, where we are so confused looking at the show notes, like what are we doing here in this totally different software? We're using something called— The Video Ninja? 00:49:22,940 [Nate Wolf] The VDO Ninja? Yes. Ninja? 00:49:25,730 [Wendy Hill] Video Ninja. So this is an open source recording platform. We have been using Riverside. And one thing that I love about Riverside is it's very straightforward. You get in, you record. It's got a clean track for every single person, both video and audio. And it's amazing. It's so simple. In the way that it works. The only person I've seen with an issue with it is Ryan. And I think he's got Magneto's touch where, like, he just touches it and crap breaks. Yes. So that's a Ryan issue. 00:49:57,270 [Wendy Hill] And a magneto issue. Oh, Ryan. 00:50:00,510 [Wendy Hill] Not necessarily a Riverside issue, but I was looking for something that I could get the exact same quality for Video Ninja. is open source and won't have the same overhead that Riverside has had. So if you're seeing this, hopefully you're seeing it, then it works properly and I have a clean video and audio track for every single person. 00:50:29,200 [Wendy Hill] Destination Linux is currently using this and they're using it in a very different way. They have a live producer in the show that's doing their camera switching for them right on hand. I know when I was editing Destination Linux, that was one of the larger. 00:50:44,870 [Wendy Hill] I wouldn't necessarily say time sucks, but time-dependent things are manually switching that camera in post in a multicam setup. And so they're now doing that live as they're going through the edit. So that part's not done and they can just add the B roll on top of that. I still want that camera control. Obviously, we don't have a live producer in here. If I was doing the manual camera switching, which Ryan was at a little time, it's kind of hard to multitask. For you to be part of the conversation and at the same time paying attention to who's talking when and manually switching those cameras like in the live feed. So you definitely need an extra person in order to make that work. So I still want the individual videos and the individual audio for every single person so that we can have the focused view. We've been having so far are sometimes like that: the media is front and center, but you're still there to see us. 00:51:44,890 [Wendy Hill] That's a combination of the ways that that I like to put the show together in the end. If you're seeing this, then it's worked, and we'll kind of see how it works next time. I know you can do screen sharing with this, which I do like. So, if you are doing like a one-off new show—where you wanted to either pull this into OBS or have multiple people— It does seem to work very well that way, but I'm just playing with it. There's lots of buttons. There are so many buttons in the back end. It's not funny. You should just go check it out, even if you're not recording something. There's so many controls for the director. That's a little daunting, right? That's the upside of some of those other paid services: I click record and it's done, right? There's no other settings to fix. So even though I had my daughter jumping on earlier as I was like testing and playing with things, I have no idea how the outcome will come. Like I know as of right now. Bill and Nate are getting a higher quality audio. 00:52:48,800 [Wendy Hill] But when I clicked my local record to disc, I don't know if it's going to be the same, right? Because it didn't give me that option. I don't know. I don't know what we're going to get. 00:52:59,670 [Bill Schouten] Have you considered an ASCII-based video platform? 00:53:05,880 [Wendy Hill] Heavens to no and not even. Is that ever going to happen? 00:53:09,360 [Bill Schouten] How about a command line based video editing solution? 00:53:14,380 [Wendy Hill] No. 00:53:15,530 [Bill Schouten] Okay. Well. 00:53:17,860 [Bill Schouten] I'm curious how this goes, Wendy, because if it doesn't go to plan, I may have a safety net for you to try out. 00:53:25,270 [Wendy Hill] Okay, sounds good. That might be plan B. Definitely will be playing with this some more afterwards. That's going to be it for this spring cleaning edition of Linux Out Loud. As always, we'll be back in your feeds after we rebuke. 00:53:42,550 [Wendy Hill] Reboot Rebuke! I rebuke you. Rebuke. 00:53:47,870 [Bill Schouten] Bugs and proprietary software. That's better than re-puking, I guess. 00:53:53,180 [Nate Wolf] It's like when you puke in a roller coaster, then you catch it in your mouth and you puke again. Is that what that is? 00:53:58,070 [Wendy Hill] Thankfully, I've never had that happen. And after you describing it, I hope that does never happen. That sounds like an army incident. 00:54:10,660 [Nate Wolf] Not one that I've had. 00:54:11,660 [Wendy Hill] Mm hmm. 00:54:12,900 [Nate Wolf] That'd be worse than being shot. 00:54:13,980 [Wendy Hill] He didn't fly, so they wouldn't have put him in a— Oh, no, I did fly. 00:54:18,790 [Wendy Hill] Oh, you did? No, like, not as a pilot, right? Because don't pilots have to go through the G-Force stuff? 00:54:23,810 [Nate Wolf] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:54:25,780 [Wendy Hill] Yeah. 00:54:26,689 [Nate Wolf] I flew many a C-130s. 00:54:30,070 [Nate Wolf] Not a fan. I mean, they're neat planes. 00:54:32,070 [Wendy Hill] But. 00:54:33,100 [Nate Wolf] Not the way to find them. 00:54:34,150 [Wendy Hill] But if you don't have to, you never would again, yeah? 00:54:37,440 [Nate Wolf] I don't know, it's hard to say never. How about a C5 Galaxy? 00:54:42,400 [Nate Wolf] Those are neat planes, but the seats are backwards, and I don't know why. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes. So when you're taking off, you're like, 'Interesting.' Yeah. You're going the opposite. And then when you land, it's anyway. 00:54:54,210 [Wendy Hill] As always, we'll be back in your feeds after we reboot a few machines, water the home lab, and see which new projects bloomed or exploded. Probably exploded. While we weren't looking, next time. Keep your configs backed up, your kernel updated, and remember, even the flakiest beta can grow into your next favorite tool with a little sunshine and patience. Hey, don't just like the episode. That's boring. Treat that like button to a misbehaving service and restart it until it glows green, just like Nate over there. Take that subscribe button and add it to your favorites like a freshly mounted drive and then immediately forget what it's called so you have to rediscover it later. And if the share button's there, go ahead and fork it to a friend. Who still thinks Linux is just for servers, we won't tell them that they're already about to repile their life. 00:55:55,940 [Ryan DasGeek] Check you next time. 00:55:58,950 [Ryan DasGeek] I was waving with a nook. 00:56:02,780 [Wendy Hill] Bye. Hey, and then Bill will be able to tell you what it is. Oh, wait, he already did. 00:56:06,900 [Nate Wolf] It's like a. 00:56:08,460 [Nate Wolf] a party trick. 00:56:10,680 [Wendy Hill] That is a party trick. Bill is a party trick. Forget Magic Mike. We've got Magic Bill. 00:56:15,400 [Ryan DasGeek] Ooh. Thank you.