Hemispheric Views 166.mp3

So I moved this from the end of the notes to the beginning because I was like,

Oh, I don't want this to drop off.

This is really important.

Something coming up soon.

Uh and we can't miss it because it's like an annual tradition.

Andrew, Eoffy's around the point.

I know it's been a subdue offie.

Subduity Offie,

yeah.

Subduity Offie.

Title already.

Thirty seconds in,

title has been created.

Because I was expecting this was gonna be at the end of the show as it was in the notes earlier,

so you've thrown me here. I've got to think Surprise.

Exactly. It's a bit like well,

that's Eofie doesn't surprise you every year,

it turns up, but around about the same time.

Martin's a foot, he always wants to follow the rules.

Aha, you didn't expect that.

Keep going. No.

So for those who don't know what EOF is,

it is end of financial year.

And in Australia at least.

For those who don't know what this is literally the first five seconds of this show you've heard your entire life.

Does financial years correctly 1st of July to 30th of June.

Unlike those silly Americans who typically run a financial year aligned with a calendar year.

Because yeah, that's what you want to be doing.

You want to be trying to close out the books at Christmas time.

Like that's ridiculous.

So we've got it right.

Jason's got it wrong.

I heard an advertisement on TV the other day and they were promoting an Eoffie sale.

As you'll know, usually Officeworks does good Eoffies.

Just something else. I can't ever remember what the product was.

Might have been a car or something,

but they Hyundai EOffice Yes,

that's it. See,

this is why I wanted to bring it up and you noticed it too.

What And they're saying it wrong.

What's this End and I I thought we need to discuss this and look at you,

you saw the same thing.

I was shocked I I think I saw it during during the uh soccer soc 'cause I don't usually see ads anymore.

'Cause I never watched live TV.

But I saw it during the s the soccer,

sorry, football, depending on where you're from.

Um yeah,

it's this what do they how do they say it was shock it jumped to me.

Like I wasn't attention and then I heard them say like AOF Yeah,

it was like eophys or eophys,

and for me it was a mild surprise and a sense of amusement,

but for you,

shock. Shock horror to the core.

I didn't like it. Yeah, I thought so.

They were doing it entirely wrong.

So yeah. E offie.

Yeah, they added an S. That's it,

Jason. That's it. It's just a car.

I think you're right. It we came I can't do it 'cause it's so wrong.

What you said a minute ago.

Eophus or Eophus or something,

yeah. Eophus Eophis or something.

Yeah, they it was it was wrong.

Wait, where where is the us coming from?

I'm conf it's EOFY where,'s the us coming from?

So the end of financial year sale.

Oh. They've just added an S to the end.

That's it. End oh.

It's entirely wrong.

We can't do that. You talk to Hyundai Australia.

That's clearly the issue.

Oh my gosh. The non Australian roots.

See, because they're they're a Korean company,

they don't really understand the culture entirely.

So they've gotten this wrong.

Says Andrew about all of South Korean culture,

yeah. And where did you see this ad,

Andrew? It's on tele it was on a T V ad.

I was watching the soccer, the World Cup.

Oh, who was playing?

Uh it was well,

I think I've seen it on both games.

I've seen it in the good game and I've seen it in the bad game.

Oh, gotcha.

Okay. Australia aga versus turkey.

Turkey turkey.

Used to just say turkey.

When I was a kid you'd just say turke Turkey.

Turkia, I think it is.

I'm trying to move with the times.

Turkey yeah.

So that was the good game when I was actually just putting on more of a Balkan accent with my roots.

I have no idea if they sound like that,

so sorry to many Turkish people who might be listening.

Yeah. And so I could get over the bad ad because Australia beat Tech Yeah 2-0,

which is great. And then I saw the ad during the other game where it was this stupid country called USA.

Oh. Yeah.

How did that game go?

I didn't I wasn't watching.

Uh look, it didn't go so well.

Um particularly the first half.

You probably you must have scored at least like once or twice,

probably though, right? Well we did.

We did we did score.

We Australia did score a goal.

Uh just unfortunately it was in the wrong wrong net.

They kicked it into Oh shit.

Yeah the wow you gotta go the the opposite side is yeah,

that happens. That's understandable.

You see, in Australian rules football,

sometimes you intentionally rush a behind.

You know, like you you you take it over your own goal because that's a defensive tactic.

Do they call that a Coriolis goal there?

A Coriolan?

Something like that. Yeah.

See rush the behind sounds like you're in a real hurry to go to the toilet to me,

but clearly that's not what it's all about.

Also Coriolis effect happens there as well.

Yeah. Exactly.

The stupid stupid Americans and their stupid winning game against Australia was really unfortunate.

I did not like I was not feeling the hemispheres at three AM when I woke up to watch that game.

That's too bad. Stayed up for two hours.

Made myself some eggs,

scrambled eggs at uh half time.

And then Which is like what,

four in the morning or something?

Yeah, yeah. Then I went back to bed after the game,

slept till nine.

So I suppose I can approve of that because there's no like oozing chicken liquid out of that particular mixture,

is there? You've actually scrambled the yolk in.

I have, yeah. Long time fans will know about chicken liquid.

I actually I tried something different.

Had a little leftover buttermilk.

I tried using uh using that.

It made it it got a nice little fluffy.

Yeah, you want to put a little milk in there.

Definitely. That gives it a little extra fluff and and volume.

I do the same.

But this is buttermilk.

So it's even better. It's like what you'd usually use in pancakes.

If you just happen to have buttermilk around,

definitely go that route.

But usually that's not something you just have.

No, no, it was just a bit of leftovers.

Well, buttermilk is something special that my mum insists on drinking like as it is whenever she eats Burek.

You know Burek?

No. No. You're not you know you don't what Burek is?

Oh okay. So it's like it's Can you say it three or four more times?

Burek, Burek,

Burek, Burek.

Oh. I could keep I I don't know.

I I didn't even have to say it,

I could just edit it in,

but no, that's that's more effort in post.

Anyway, I've said it four times now.

It's a beautiful pastry.

It's from the bulkans,

so Macedonians are particularly into it and they do a good job of it,

but you can have it with spinach and spinach and cheese or meat or whatever.

But my mum loves to have it with buttermilk rather than something you mix in,

like actually drinking it like you would a glass of milk or another beverage.

Oh wow. Anyway, buttermilk has uh That's rich.

Yeah, it's it's the tang,

as you said.

She's into it. I have tried it,

it's good, but it's not something that I wish to drink all the time.

That's a thick beverage. Anyway,

the World Cup. We're in this topic.

Yeah. Yeah. So enjoying it otherwise?

So Andrew woke up early to lose and that was kind of it.

Like yeah, it's just kind of annoying that the Australians just we're just not that good at football,

soccer, whatever you want to call it.

We're just not that good.

Soccer ball. And to be beaten by the Americans,

like that sucks.

That does suck.

Ah, these Americans they're so boisterous and annoying.

Yeah. I mean if anybody's ever listened to this show,

they would say definitely that's the case.

The American is the boisterous and annoying one.

Yeah, the Australians are very refined.

Well, one of them is.

So refined and just mellow,

relaxed, laid back,

easygoing.

Yep, that's what everyone would say.

Well look, speaking of obnoxious American things,

Jason, you've put WWDC in here.

That's a really good segue,

yeah. Totally.

Thank you. Um I had three I don't want to go on too long about this 'cause it happened like weeks ago at this point,

I think. It's like a duty as Mac nerds to have at least ten seconds of this,

is that right? I think everyone's already talked about this.

It's been clarify sorry,

Jason. Yeah.

Can we just clarify for Maggie?

Um WWDC Worldwide Developers Conference.

Correct. Yeah. This is for your relative Andrew.

Yeah. Yes.

Did you want anyone else to have that clarification or just just the way that's No,

no, it's Magi. Okay.

Everybody else understands it.

Okay.

I was clarifying it for listeners who might not know who Magi is.

Okay, but everyone else should just close their ears.

Remember I'm the podcast Sherpa.

That's my job. That's what you said I am.

Yep. Uh see yeah,

it happened like I don't know,

six or seven weeks ago,

probably at this point.

Whatever. It doesn't matter.

I have I only wrote down three bullet points,

so I just wanted to bring three bullet points.

One of them was a question for the group.

So really two bullet points and a question,

if that's okay, if if you'll permit me.

Uh it's not okay.

Two questions. Two I think that's very disciplined.

Jason's done a good job. I have.

First one,

I just wanted to They did it again.

Okay, so last time they did something that infuriated me.

And they've done it once again.

So do you recall back to 10,

12 years ago, the last WWDC,

when they went on and on about that feature of,

hey, you're holding the iPhone too close to your face.

And they kept talking about it,

it has this thing, it tells you,

oh, it's bad for your eyes,

oh, get the iPhone away from your face.

And then immediately transitioned into here's a new device where we strap two screens directly to your eyeballs.

Yes. And that to me was just like,

what the actual You could put the beep in there.

Like, how how do you have those two fit?

You can have them in the same keynote?

Fine, I guess.

But back to back,

really? Like no one saw that and thought that was weird.

So this time.

Flash forward to now.

Hmm. They spend all this time talking about this image creator thing and how it makes pictures for you,

you know, whatever,

yada yada.

It adds extra stuff into the pictures if it's not already there,

fine.

And then immediately shifted to the the the message of you know,

at Apple,

we deeply care about the craft of photography.

And then proceed to do a bunch of bullshit generative AI horseshit directly after that.

And I'm like, you did it again.

Yeah. Two years in a row,

you just completely ah like how do they keep how does this keep happening?

Like the continuity is just I don't know.

That they're not just doing it for the sake of it.

Right. And then it's like,

oh, grandma's not in the photo?

F it. Tell AI to put grandma in the photo.

And I'm like, oh my god.

So that was those those so those are my two points.

Mm-hmm. If you'd like to counter those points,

please feel free, or I can move on to the question for the group,

however you both wish to proceed I'm happy with the question.

That's fine. I don't want to steal the thunder of what you just said.

It's great. Yeah. Question please.

Okay. Final my final bit,

and then I'm not going to talk about it ever again.

Question for the group.

Everyone in the world,

I'm gonna generalize here.

Everyone in the world,

okay, that's everyone,

that's like all of the people,

are very excited about the new Gemini Siri.

Okay.

Which is just Siri with with with AI at the end.

Yep. Because it like actually works.

I haven't used it. I can't.

City I. City I when you settle.

Cere as I call it,

yes. City I.

City I. Because it actually works.

Okay, cool.

The question I have for the two of you is if we went back in time,

so this is gonna be obviously hypothetical.

If we went back in time,

like three years,

and Apple announced at WWDC whatever we are deeply integrating Google Gemini into iOS to give you the best possible Siri experience.

Do you think they would be as excited as they are now with Gemini Siri,

or do you think there would be an absolute backlash back then from that happening,

even though it's the same exact result that we have literally right now.

I'm curious what you both think about that.

Uh Andrew go first.

Uh I think there would have been a big backlash.

I think the whole the the the privacy construct that Apple has built over a number of years would be in direct,

you know, conflict with Google's perspective on that.

And I think people would have been yelling from the rooftops that Apple has lost its way.

Martinfeld.

Now just to be clear,

I I want to make sure I've understood the question correctly.

When we talk about Gemini and these foundational models and stuff,

am I correct in saying that Craig Federighi from this is what I saw online anyway,

that he went into this detail separately from the keynote in other sessions about how they're using the model,

but it's not actually going to Google.

There's no kind of Google apps running.

It's just sure. I'm just clarifying.

That's the idea. If we believe that.

Let's just say for the sake of argument,

we don't care about the details.

Right. And the fact of the matter is it's Gemini.

Okay. Yeah, I think there would have been a lot more backlash and carry-on uh early on.

Let's ignore reality and just make it as you know one-sided as possible.

Yeah, I think there would have been more backlash around the privacy stuff like what Andrews said,

but also because I think people at least who do use AI to generate text or images or search for stuff or whatever,

they've seen what Gemini is capable of now.

And so I think even though a lot of it I don't really care about and I think it's rubbish,

uh the fact that it does work and is a valid competitor to other things out there like ChatGPT and uh Claude and all that stuff,

I think people have the confidence in it now,

so that kind of explains why people are more okay with it.

If it were earlier on and it was like,

Oh, is Google actually capable of this,

I think it would have been the double double whammy of the privacy with no detail included,

plus can Google even do this?

Um, but given the things that we do pay attention to in reality now,

I think that's why people are okay with it.

Does that answer your question?

Absolutely. And what did you think about the photography stuff,

Martin Phelps.

I think the problem is that Apple is bigger than it ever was before.

You know, th when we fell in love with it,

uh and a as we all know,

you two are like what seventy five and I'm like twelve.

Is that the age difference? You're always mocking me for being a mother thereabouts.

Um let's be clear here.

Andrew is seventy-five.

Yes. I am sixty-five.

Uh huh. And you are eleven.

Right. I'm eleven.

Sorry, I've got ahead of myself there.

Anyway, sorry if g Ietting've all that wrong.

Um, when we fell in love with the Mac,

that was kind of Apple's focus,

right? They didn't do all these other things.

Now they've got to please everyone around the world,

and so you know,

you haven't got that Steve Jobs figure sweating every single line,

even though this thing is scripted within within an inch of its life.

Um and so I think these things creep in where no matter how much they try to arrange it,

they've drunk their own Kool-Aid or they're very happy with what they're putting out there,

and so they don't realize the kind of ethical or philosophical contrast or contradiction of what they're saying.

So they're trying to please the photographers who love the things that Apple can do with photography,

but also the people who want the AI stuff.

So um I think with anyone anyone with half a brain would notice that kind of odd juxtaposition but I think that's just a symptom of how big Apple is now and how many people they're trying to please or impress.

Do you know I was kicking myself though because I don't know if you remember last episode we sort of talked a little bit about it upcoming and I think we joked around about you know what they'd call it.

Oh I certainly remember during our recording last week I was going to say they'll call it Golden Gate.

And then they called it Golden Gate.

And I was kicking myself that I didn't actually say that.

It was just a thought in my brain that I didn't say to you two.

Because otherwise I would look like a bloody genius.

And now I don't. I just look like somebody who's saying hey guess what I thought.

We were joking about the names and I and we were talking about how you couldn't see anything in in the glass thing.

So we I think I said something like it was i foggy so they should call it San Francisco.

Boggy. Yeah. And we let down.

That's yeah. Uh and I but I didn't say it and I'm like that could have made me famous if I just nope.

You just lost everything.

God, you would have been, I know.

I was kidding, I was honestly,

I heard them say that. I was like,

shit. Yep.

The only other thing I really have to say about the keynote is that um I've never been a huge fan of this newer format.

That's been occurring from COVID onwards.

I think it's it has lost a lot of the general humanity or liveness.

I didn't like any real I mean technically impressive things have been pretty cool about previous ones and obviously the level of the production and the quality is fantastic and when they did that whole thing like oh did you know that iPhones were used to make all of this it's impressive right I felt that this one has probably been the best of that particular run uh or this particular run just because I liked the fact that they centered it on themes.

I found the thing that spanned it really,

really tedious over time is this it's like a grand infomercial where they do the dot points shared across platform after platform after platform.

I thought this one was shorter and a bit more disciplined,

so if this is a direction of people at big tech companies realizing that we don't want to spend the equivalent of an extended edition of the Lord of the Rings listening to every bullet point that they've made,

that's a good thing. I'm excited to see my new ra my new less rounded corners.

That's really the highlights for me.

Yeah, that'll be nice. That'll be nice.

These these rounded corners are so ugly.

Let alone all that visual like less information and all that.

It does feel like a whole new OS is needed to remove 10 pixels worth of radius for sure.

Now I'm fascinated because someone yeah,

you've just added something and blamed me.

There's a new topic. I did,

yeah. Cause I I've been thinking about this for a while and I wanted to ask what you guys thought about this.

There's always this like uh so you mentioned the like shot on iPhone thing or whatever,

like they always shoot 'em all on iPhones,

which we know is I'll say it's BS 'cause like if you see the rigs,

like okay,

y sure it's shot on an iPhone,

whatever. Yeah,

it's the sensor in an iPhone.

That's really what they're doing.

Which is okay, fine.

Whatever. That's fine.

But I always think it's I I've been seeing a lot of that lately of like,

oh, this you know,

music video was shot on an iPhone,

and then I saw something about like you know,

a movie, a full featured movie being like only shot on an iPhone.

And it kind of got me thinking,

like it sounds great from a like Apple marketing perspective,

but as a person watching a movie,

I struggle to understand why anyone would give a shit that the movie was shot on an iPhone.

Like, I don't I don't really get the appeal to a person watching a movie.

I don't know. It just it feels like a oh that's super cool,

but then w why am I why do I care?

Why do I care that it was shot on an iPhone?

I kind of agree with you.

And I think the thing about shot on iPhone that's always been kind of risky or silly,

and obviously it works.

So everyone listen to this,

just put aside the fact that Martin,

you know, ex accepts that it is a clever marketing campaign and it sells funds because of cameras.

Absolutely agree. Like it absolutely works,

but if I just dig like two layers deeper,

I I struggle to be like,

wait, but why do I care?

Well, this is and this is what I'm getting to.

I think the problem with doing that shot on iPhone stuff was showing when,

you know, a cinematographer achieves a great masterpiece with the iPhone sensor is that when you put images out like that,

as you said before in the keynote bit when I was referring to it,

there's a huge rig around it.

There's a lot of professional work and talent and gear that goes into making it happen.

So to me, it almost risks or is on the verge of creating discontent because people think,

oh cool, I can do that with my phone.

And then they don't have all that stuff.

They don't necessarily have the skills or the time or all the stuff that goes with it.

And they're never able to actually produce something of the quality that has been marketed.

So you're kind of putting the phone on a pedestal when you surround it with this universe of stuff.

And then people just flash it out,

record something in portrait because they're just in social media mode.

They've cut some someone's face off because they're actually looking,

well not actually looking at the screen,

like they're looking at the live event,

and everything looks crap.

So I've always found that it that marketing kind of sets people up for failure in a way,

because they're not going to use it the way that it has actually been done to achieve that result.

Do you know what I'm getting at?

Yeah. Yeah. It's I think it's a bit of a silly thing to do.

It's almost the remember when cell phone companies used to like they would get caught for taking pictures with like five D mark twos and they'd be like,

This was on our phone and everybody's like,

We looked at the XF data and it was obviously on a canon or whatever.

It almost got a nice it's the similar to that where like they this was shot on an iPhone or whatever phone,

doesn't matter what it is.

But then the person's like I like I can't why can't I not do that?

I mean I don't know. Maybe AI will fix that,

I guess. But yeah,

I don't know. I just I'm I'm very interested in the like if you saw a movie and then were like that was shot on iPhone,

would that make you want to go see it more for some reason?

Or I don't know.

If anything, because like I know there's gonna be really bad depth effect.

Well, they're gonna have to use additional lenses.

That that's it's weird.

It's very weird thing. It feels like it's gone a step too far.

Like the old shot on iPhone campaign for photos was like,

Okay, I get it. You're getting some cool shots with a phone,

but would uh I don't know.

I I'm out of my depth on this,

but I just I don't quite understand.

That's all right.

So so there you go.

That was my additional topic because of Martin,

and now we can go into rapid fire app corner.

Rapid fire. It's gonna be real rapid fire.

There's a lot. Yeah. So first one is mine.

It is simple comic and it is simply a Mac app that has a quick look extension for dot C B Z files,

which are common for comic books,

manga books,

just back all those kinds of things you would normally look at and you can't they look like weird zip files,

but now you can quick look them and actually see everything,

which is awesome. So simple comic.

Second one,

uh a little app called Obsidian.

Not sure if you've heard of it.

It's a it's a new up-and-coming notes app.

Just want to make sure people know about that.

Uh third one I crossed out because I tried it and didn't like it,

so we can skip it.

And the fourth one is called I don't letera?

Letter A?

I don't really know how to say it.

Lettera?

Maybe? I don't know.

It's from the the the what is it?

The bear people.

So it's like it's a markdown editor,

which bear is already.

It holds on to your notes,

I guess, which is what Bear did.

It's the editor panda,

which is what Bear runs on,

but it's a new app.

So So I think I followed what you said.

There you have it.

Letera. Letera?

How would you guys do that?

I'd say lettera.

Lettera?

Okay. Letera.

Le terra.

Okay. Well, there's 47 ways to say it.

And from everything everything I could tell,

it's it's bear with a different name.

Is that true? It's a it's a can I can I help you out?

Please, please do.

Whereas Bear is a library library app,

you know, like you stuff everything into it's like a database.

You stuff every note into the bear ecosystem.

The bear's maw.

Yes. Letterer is more.

It's a it's a just an editor.

So like you would use text edit or anything else,

you just open a file,

muck around with it,

and then close it again.

That's the key differential.

So there's another app called Mark Edit,

which is another up like which is like text edit.

Okay. So there you and it works in a similar way.

It's a markdown editor that just works as a standard text editor,

the way that we've known them for it to be forever.

Does that help?

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason doesn't look convinced.

I guess so.

Anyway, moving on.

Next. Great.

Okay, there is you guys might remember Voodoo Pad.

Oh yeah. With the little weird icon.

No. It was it was a wiki.

Yeah. Gus Mueller used to used to make it.

And I loved it. I bought it just because of that little icon with the the doll.

The voodoo doll.

No, no, I remember it now when you sent the doll.

Yes. It actually was a voodoo doll.

And it was it was it was a wiki editor that ran locally and it was like Obsidian before Obsidian existed.

But it got sold to the people who make Geekbench and they basically have done nothing with it for years.

That's weird. They kept promising new version,

new version, and they'd do like a minor little fix to keep the old version running and then they'd say,

Yeah, we're not really working on it,

but we're gonna work on it eventually.

And it's been years and nothing's happened and,

all the users of VoodooPad have gotten sad.

There is now a new app called MojoPad,

which is basically a ripoff of VoodooPad.

You can import VoodooPad documents into it and it works like it should.

Put your brain into it.

Oh no, put your brain in it.

Exactly. So they've even ripped off the uh they've even ripped off the statement that that's what Vuodipad used to say.

They're probably gonna get in some sort of legal trouble with that.

I think it might be somewhat vibe coded,

but I don't have any evidence to suggest that.

It's just a vibe. How is this different than a vibe with a vibe coding?

How is this different than letter A?

Uh it's it's it's like a library document.

It's like a library thing.

So you just Oh,

so it's like letter A,

but but the bear version.

The bear version, yes.

Oh, but it's like a wiki.

Like a wiki.

Okay. This is probably the most confusing segment we've ever done on the show.

Okay. Well let me carry on.

No no no I'm not blaming you for specifically for this point.

I mean all the words that have been said since we started this segment.

Yeah. It's like alphabet soup.

It seems very straightforward to me.

I don't know. So you might be familiar with an app called Tot.

Yes. Oh,

that's like Bear, but not It's like Bear,

but it's a like only seven letter A's per app.

And then each one has a colour,

each sheet has a color,

each of your seven notes in Tot has a colour.

Well, there's now another app called Slips,

which is similar to Tot,

and each but you only have five notes.

Oh, it's more limited.

But you can Okay.

But you can give each note a name and an icon.

Okay. And each note adopts a colour.

Okay. Well I mean yeah,

so like tot, there's the colour,

but you've got more options.

So fewer notes but more options for customizing the top level of how you look at them.

Oh I see. And then the little tabs become little icons with work.

Oh okay, that's pretty nice. Yeah.

So you can make it like little categorizations for you.

So five five notes.

Um j it's only I haven't even used it.

I installed it because I was curious to check it out,

but I've not actually used it.

When you install it you get one note,

which is another note taking app,

but it's not the one I'm talking about.

No, that's a Microsoft thing though.

Why would I want to use OneNote?

I don't want to use OneNote.

Well, exactly when you could use five notes in slips.

Does it have Excel support?

No, but if you want to use seven notes,

get taught. If you want unlimited notes,

you could use drafts.

Um but you can't publish in that.

And if you want to use Windows,

you use OneNote.

No. Now you could use IA Rider.

Oh yeah. Or Ulysses.

Is that like letter A?

Similar. Okay.

IA Rider is IA Rider is very similar to Bear actually.

This whole segment became a Who's On First situation just now.

If you guys are familiar with that.

So that's Appcorner.

No, it's not App Corner.

What? Huh?

We've We've got more apps.

Martin's got an app.

But it doesn't seem like an app.

Looks like a hardware.

Well, yeah, but I thought I'd put it in here because I was gonna boot it,

but then it is kind of like an app for my car.

So really quickly,

I have a Holden Cruise from the prehistoric era,

um, which shows an icon for an iPod.

An a Holden Cruise.

It would be a Chevy cruise to American Christmas.

Oh, okay. Cruise misspelled.

C R U Z E.

It's quite amusing. Oh,

like cr like your cruiser.

Put a pin that I need to ask you a question about the cruise.

Oh god anyway. It's not supposed to be car corner.

I've got a qu no, I've actually got a question about the cruise.

Okay. Carry on. Oh god,

all right. Oh it's so there's no CarPlay unit in it and I've survived not having CarPlay.

Didn't really care for about let's say uh how long have I had it?

Fourteen years, right?

Okay. And uh a few years ago Natasha was like,

Oh, how about like for your birthday would you like us to actually put CarPlay in it?

'Cause there are local shops that will actually integrate and redo your dashboard.

That's pretty cool. Looked into it,

they said Holden Cruise is the biggest nightmare of our lives.

You will pay money for nothing and it won't work properly.

Anyway, thanks for the thought and Tasha we moved on.

Sounds like a pass. Fast forward a few years later,

reduced from $160 down to $89,

this is Australian dollars,

this fantastic Australian-made laser 7-inch portable CarPlay Android Auto touchscreen.

This is your second laser product.

Laser. Didn't die JBL,

the other one? No. Didn't you get like a laser something or other?

Some C D machine or some D V D player?

Right? Oh right.

No, I haven't actually got that, but yes,

same company. Okay.

I thought you had already purchased that.

I was like, you're you're gaslighting me.

No, no, no. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

No, it's the same they make these fantastic things that fill little niches.

So it's the idea is it's this seven-inch kind,

of imagine like the early days of like Galaxy tabs or weird tablets to compete against the iPad mini.

It's essentially a dedicated CarPlay or Android Auto device that you suction cup to your windscreen and it either integrates with the auxiliary port or like the charging old cigarette port thing and you can do your music through the car and it'll even let you do like the old FM transmitter thing.

So like I said, I didn't need it,

but the fact that I can now control music,

see maps, and answer the phone in a way that is not super unsafe or illegal in the car is amazing for $89.

And my car feels like less of a dinosaur.

So I just thought I'd throw that out there.

People particularly living in Australia or if you are overseas or in a different hemisphere,

if you have a car which is ancient and you're like,

how do I use my phone safely if I don't have Bluetooth or something?

This sort of device is fantastic.

Yes, Jason, your hand is up.

Okay, I was just curious, did you get it at big W,

The Good Guys Strathfield Car Radios,

JB Hi Fi RetroVision or a super cheap auto?

JB Hi Fi.

The correct answer. Thank you very much.

You have one unannounced trivia corner for today.

Excellent. Finally.

I didn't I didn't know Strathfield was still around.

They might not be.

So it runs apps.

That's why it's in this category. Yes.

Okay, got it. Well I'm looking at the screenshot they've got of it,

and I just want to understand.

Do you also have an icon that says smirch screen?

And do you have a podcax app?

No. Podcax?

No, I don't. Do you look at that?

Look at that. Look at that podcast.

Yes, it is very strange.

It says podcasts.

Oh, it does say smart screen.

Are we on Apple Podcacks?

Are we on that?

I think Yeah,

a podcact. Yeah.

It's like um What what it's when you get audio through your cactus,

I think. I don't know. Or it is cactus.

Have you listened? How how do we sound through this?

Have you listened to the show?

Do we sound pretty good?

Yeah, great. Really good?

Bit prickly, but all right.

Yep.

Interesting. What is it?

Is it in? Are you using it?

Like what's the what's the ten minute review?

I'm using it. It's great.

Yeah, it it's fantastic.

It fits into the car well.

I've managed to customize obviously the car plane to face that it's pretty dark and unobtrusive because it is higher than the average kind of dashboard setup.

But the fact that you can darken it,

tilt things, it's it's not distracting me in any way when I'm driving.

And now it's accessible within arm's reach.

And I'm not going to do some I mean,

I avoided answering the the uh the phone in the car anyway because I would have to look down from the wheel.

It was like, oh I'll get to that later or have to pull over to answer.

But now I can just go boop safely answer.

Is it wireless or do you plug your phone in?

How does that work?

It's Bluetooth to the phone and I use the FM transmitter to send the audio through and they're like,

Oh, I won't sound as good o good as auxiliary,

but to my ear it sounds okay.

The only cable is the actual thing to power it in that little like old the thing that used to be the cigarette thing that is now just the power charger thing.

That's pretty cool. You can add that for eighty bucks.

And I have my apps.

Hence app corner.

Apps. Now just quick quick deviation into car corner.

There's an app for that.

So we we we bought a a Holden cruise recently as a second hand vehicle.

Why would you do that?

Why?

You should have asked me.

I would have warned you.

No, a first c a first car for a uh for a boy who's getting his license soon.

So I I reiterate that point.

Why would you I'm joking?

Congratulations. If you want to add car plate to that car,

Andrew, I can hook you up with a guy that knows how to do it.

It seems like it. Laser quit lazy.

So the question is, of course,

of course, you know, it's it's a second hand card and you expect all the challenges that come with that.

But does your crews have a very temperamental engine light.

Like you do anything and the the w the engine warning light comes on?

No, not engine light,

but I'm constantly reminded of code seventy nine,

which I'm told is a communications error within the vehicle,

which for some reason my mechanic will not fix,

although he's very aware of it.

Where is it? Where does that even it just comes up 15 minutes into the trip,

it's like code 79?

I'm like, thank you for that. And then if you drive for even longer,

it actually refuses to let you adjust the volume.

Like oh we're driving to Sydney or back and it's like why is the music so low?

Oh, for the last twenty minutes it's been lowering the volume on your car.

Maybe maybe that's quite seventy nine is audio communication error.

Maybe, but I I kid you not.

We'll be stopping like at a at an intersection and Natasha will just laugh because I'm like,

wait, quick, I've got time.

I turn the car off at the intersection in the middle of traffic.

But the problem is that if you turn the car off to reboot it,

the dashboard and communication system persists.

It's only once you open the door.

So some people like who's this goose stops the car,

boom-boom, opens the driver door,

turn car back on, audio volume control returns.

So I'm like rebooting my car with my driver door in an intersection.

Oh my god, you are weeks away from holding your trunk closed with an Ethernet cable,

my friend. This has been going for years.

Jesus Christ. Yeah,

so I bought just you may want to do this as well then,

Martin. I bought one of those little um dolls that you can plug into your communications port.

Right. And basically I just go in through there,

uh every now and then I plug it in,

I turn it on and I clear all the warning things.

The little warning thing goes away.

I I worry that that would actually kill the car.

Like it would go, oh you know want nothing.

Yeah, like code style. Code seventy-nine might be the only thing that's keeping this thing alive.

It's the glue. It's the error glue of the car.

Yeah. You clear that and pfft.

Okay. Anyway.

Sorry, sorry. Okay.

That was a deviation in the car corner.

That's holding cruise corner.

That's holding cruise corner within the semi-hardware cornerner within App Cor.

We might This is a triangle.

We might be the like premier Holden Cruise podcast at this point.

Like worldwide,

there's no one like Chevy Cruise if you're in America.

Yeah. There's no one pulling down more numbers in the Holden Cruise area than us.

Absolutely. It's a it's a great car if you enjoy uh painful mechanical payments on a recurring basis.

There we go. Code seven.

Now just to finish off App Corner,

in no way related to any of these topics,

I just got uh on a whim,

I uploaded my entire applications folder,

a screenshot of that.

You did. Into our forum at chat.homoserviews.com.

Cool. And 'cause we have previously done roast my desk,

roast various things,

I thought we could roast my applications folder.

And people have started doing that.

I appreciate their contributions.

And if anybody else wants to share their applications folder for roasting,

drop it in. This is kind of like app defaults returning,

but just making fun of you.

Which is great. Mm.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's super easy.

Like just go look at it.

It's Yeah. You won't be able to stop.

You can listen to episode ninety seven,

one of our most popular ever,

and then, you know, just head into the forum,

join in and uh roast Andrew.

Now there is a way we're gonna get through the rest of these topics in a forty minute window.

Oh, this is easy.

We're cooked.

Easy.

Uh quick June Brie check-in.

There's only a little bit of time left.

But the good news is,

doesn't matter. You can jump in on the last day and still do them all for a chance to win one of the epic trophies that is being handcrafted artisanally by myself,

uh, as we no,

not as we speak,

but almost as we speak.

There are some components doing some things right now.

So actually, yeah, as we speak,

things are happening with the trophies for June Bree twenty twenty six.

Awesome. It's been good fun.

I'm way behind. I can never keep up,

but I will make an effort and uh I've loved seeing what people are doing.

That's the beauty. It doesn't matter.

You just gotta do 'em in June.

That's it. So get in there.

It's obvious that some of these things you can't do on the day they're announced and that's completely fine.

It's fun. Paper apps.

It's sort of like App Corner,

but physical.

I got these things called paper apps.

I'm showing both Andrew and Martin right now.

They are games that are played on paper.

So there is paper apps galaxy,

golf, labyrinth,

and dungeon.

And you have a little pencil,

like a little golf pencil that is your dice.

Wow. So you roll the pencil and then it gives you your dice roll.

Right. And then you can do like little like there's a little kind of space invadery one,

there's a golf game, like I said,

there's like a labyrinth game,

and then there's like a dungeon crawler one.

And they're all just like little notebooks and you can just kind of pop one out of your pocket when you're sitting around waiting for something to happen instead of uh dicking around on your phone.

So you got and they're all like That's really cool.

They're all different. So every time you get a booklet,

they're all different. Very cool little little So for people who can't see this,

it's like an actual little printed app,

but like in a flip book or pad,

like it's they're all printed.

Yep, exactly. It's just like a little pocketable notebook.

You can throw it in your in your backpack or your back pocket or whatever,

and then you're waiting for your car tires to be done as Martin often does.

Instead of pulling out your phone and playing Xbox,

you pop out your pocket golf and play hole number twelve.

Right there. Boom.

Pocket apps.

Love it.

Sweet.

Media corner.

Turbo Media Corner.

I watched a movie th for Andrew.

'Cause I feel like, you know,

we get both Martin and I we know Andrew's love of the basket's ball,

right? We know he loves it.

No. Up until two weeks ago.

Well, yeah, that's true.

But he used to.

We we've we've given him a fair amount of shit about basketball.

Not a ton.

Yeah. A little bit.

So I was like, you know what?

I'm gonna get into I'm gonna get into the zone.

I'm gonna get into Andrew's mindset and like his psyche and like really understand what he's all about.

So I watched the movie GOAT.

Have you seen that, Andrew?

No, I haven't. Benji wants to say it,

but haven't yet done it.

It's about uh the baskets ball.

So I watched it.

I know basically everything about basketball now,

and I feel closer to you,

and that's really all I wanted to say.

Okay. It's animals,

isn't it? It's a very fun movie.

I th I thoroughly enjoyed it.

And they play that like three on three version that Andrew thinks is the better version of the game,

right? That's correct.

Yep. Mm-hmm. I'm just making that up.

I don't actually know if that happens to me.

But Andrew, that is the one you like.

He loves that one. He's nodding really,

really enthusiastically and not scowling at me,

isn't it right, Jason? Thank you very much.

You're a purist. Oh, for the three version.

Is it five? What?

Anyway. Goat.

I don't know. You should go watch it.

Speaking of golf.

Uh putt dot day.

Oh my goodness, yes.

I think you both have probably seen this in the forum.

I ignored it for the longest time and then I checked it out like two days ago.

It's fun. It's like so there's like Wordle,

you know, like a Wordle thing where you can have like a different puzzle every day.

This is a like mini golf little mini golf hole that everybody plays the same one every day.

And then you can post like like remember how Wordle you could post had the little like boxes for how you did on it?

It's the same kind of thing,

but it's a little fun putt putt game.

And we've got a a thread in the forum going and it's quite fun.

I think it's a cool little thing.

It takes like two minutes to play.

It's fun how you see all the other all the other participants sort of playing at the same time on your screen.

There's just like these ghost balls flying around.

Yeah, totally.

Kind of like golf, golf with friends,

if anybody has played that,

where you we play the different courses with each other.

And you can also, I learned today,

see the replay of how the person um has cheated to get a much better score than you,

Eric. You can cheat,

can you? I've just been playing it straight.

Uh yeah, most of us do.

Most of us do play on the straight and narrow.

Some of us do not.

Yeah. Five time Arcadia winner?

Uh next one.

This is my last topic.

Within this is all within Turbo Media Corner,

funnily enough. I'm twisting the rules for the gaming one.

Yeah, it all fits. Yeah,

let's do it. This is true.

This next one's probably media corner.

Yeah. Yeah. It just fits.

Do either of you have a Roku?

Game's a media gaming corner?

P whatever. Yeah, go to this one.

Do either of you have a Roku?

No, I thought that's a very American thing.

It is, I bought one.

I bought one years ago,

but it was the c the sort of thing where you had to buy it and then you had to sort of like work around the geographical restrictions.

Um so no.

I've got a fetch TV which is uh probably it's almost unused at this point,

but that that's kind of remember remember tivo?

Yeah. Yeah, Fitch is like the T it's what I got after TiVo went bust in Australia.

Same thing.

Hmm. Got it.

Oh, gee, did you get a lifetime TiVo too?

Were you one of those people?

Oh they, did it differently here.

They kind of just you just bought the box and you never had to pay for a service.

Okay. Well,

if you have a Roku,

um I would say yeet it into the sun because it is now owned by Fox.

Fox News specifically.

Amazing. I believe.

So yeah.

Just uh go around the back of your TV,

unplug that, smash it with a hammer,

and uh throw it into your local e waste facility.

I think that's the best PSA we've ever had on Turbo Media Corner over.

Probably. Fox wouldn't be using that to sort of issue propaganda from a right wing perspective,

would they? Ah Of course not.

Not if you've thrown it into the sun.

Problem solved.

That's it. No,

that's Turbo Media Corner.

That's the show. I actually just wanted to talk to you both you guys about that one.

That didn't need to be on the on the uh on the public broadcast.

Cause now they're all thinking, like,

oh, what were they gonna talk about?

Oh no, they'll never know.

Two, three,

two, one,

stop.