Shea Rankin === Vince: [00:00:00] Hi Daniel. Uh, so Daniel went to Purdue, so he doesn't have IU banter, but Shea has a child at Purdue. Oh, okay. I do know. Okay, nice. Yep. Daniel: What are they studying? Shea: Um, business. Daniel: Business, Kran. Shea: Y Well, not yet. Not yet. Okay. So direct admit into computer science. Nice. And, and, uh, we blew that Mm-Hmm. Opportunity. So we came home for a little bit and yeah. Shea: Re-engaged. Daniel: Okay. Yeah. Recentered. Yep. Yep. Shea: Recentered. And going strong. Okay. That's good. So trying to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. It's no joke up there. No, it's not. Daniel: It's tough. I know. I knows. Sorry about the Shea: loss. This, this season. Were you following? Daniel: Uh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. Um. You know, it, it seemed like it was, don't say unfortunately. Daniel: Well, I mean, it was all lining up. Yeah, that's so true. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It was all lined up. Yeah. There was a celestial event. Purdue has a lot of astronauts, should have all lined up to a Purdue win. And there's no more proven statement than what you just said. Exactly. That is so Purdue. Exactly. [00:01:00] So point We were talking about the nerds at Shea: Purdue, which is great. Daniel: Self-appointed. Shea: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: Awesome. As Vince: Vince will tell you. Shea: So, yeah. Vince: Well, hey, congrats to all the boiler fans. We, it was awesome. I'm sorry it didn't work out. I actually was cheering for you guys. Yeah, I told you. Uh, I wanna Daniel: see it. I was too picked you to win. You gotta root for Indiana basketball. It doesn't matter who it is. Daniel: Right. Shea: Well, once I use out Yes. And if they're not in then Purdue. Yep. Daniel: I, I'd root fry you if they were right. It's, yeah, I'm gonna write that down. Indiana basketball is, uh, is where it's at, so Shea: Yeah, it's, well good. Vince: Um, so. I dunno where I was gonna go with that. Shea: Well, we could go pre transition, we could go right into our Sour Patch kids. Shea: Do we wanna talk about Sour Patch Kids? Yeah. Because you, we were just talking about it. Right? And you must have a thing for it. Vince: I do. Mm-Hmm. Shea: Yeah, because that's how you and I reconnected again. I was posting about wellness on LinkedIn and you. Sent me a message and said, um, are Sour Patch kids good for me? Shea: Or so, or something like that. Yeah. Are they, am I allowed to [00:02:00] eat Sour Patch kids? Like Yeah. And I said, absolutely. You can have as many as you want. That's not what you said. Vince: That's, that's what I understood. Daniel: Right. The question is that's what you, what heard. Right. Right now the center console of your car, do you have a bag of I don't, but if you Vince: go into my office and, um. Vince: One of the drawers in the desk opens up and I'll have protein bars. Shea: Yes. Vince: Low, low, like zero sugar added. They're, they're actually pretty good and actually taste. Okay. Um, Shea: shocker. Vince: But Sour patch kids. Shea: Yeah. Where um, how's the sour? Yeah. I don't do sour patch. Yeah. I don't like the sour. Is it the sour and the sweet or just the sour? Shea: I think it's more the sour. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Could suck on a lime or a lemon or something. Probably a little sugar on it. Just, just keep Daniel: a little, like citric acid in your, in your drawer. Just sprinkle that in. Shea: Yeah, Daniel: I'll try that. Okay. I'll, Vince: I'll stop and grab a couple limes on the way downtown after this. Yeah. Vince: And see how it goes. That works. Yeah. I'll take you a picture with the, with the sour face. So, so what do you have there? Well, Shea: I have here for you some. Alternatives. Oh boy. Okay, [00:03:00] so, um, Vince: well we're already over for one 'cause I'm not smart, but maybe all these don't like me smarter. I'm sure there's Shea: nothing but marketing. Shea: I am sure it's full of junk. I didn't have my readers on so I couldn't even read the ingredients, so I'm sure there's no Daniel: artificial sweeteners. So yeah, Shea: it only three grams of sugar, which I know is probably better than Sour Patch Kids. Um. Yeah. And it's like $40 per packet and I think there's like sweet three of 'em in there that was with a coupon. Shea: Right. And I'm sure they taste awful. Vince: Well, I will, I will let you know. Okay folks? Yeah. Uh, for the makers of Smart Sweets, thank you for making these, for those of us who are, who are addicted to. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have any sponsors yet, so there's still time. We can do Sour Patch. Sorry. Sour Blast Buddies or The Sweet Fish. Shea: I'm sure you like Swedish Fish. Or no? Vince: Uh, I do. I I'm, I'm down all Shea: all down for all of it. Yeah. Yeah, Vince: yeah. Shea: Well, Daniel, you can have the Swedish fish if Vince: Yeah. If, if Vince doesn't like them. I'll, we will, we will do a taste test later and let you guys all know about Yeah. What, what our, uh, review of these [00:04:00] candies are. Vince: Yeah. Well, thank you for bringing these. I appreciate that. Oh, you're Shea: welcome. I hope it works out for you. Save your life. Knock. I love the confidence. Live a couple, couple of more years. Vince: Is this thing going? Vince: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the Summits podcast. Thank you all for joining us from wherever you guys get your podcast or if you are joining us on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel. Thank you for doing so, we greatly appreciate it. Um, if you are on the YouTube channel and you haven't. Vince: Click the subscribe button or the little notification bell icon. Please do that. It won't cost you a thing. You don't have to buy any smart sweets or, uh, sour Patch kids. Uh, but we might throw some in if you do it though. Shea: Yeah. Vince: Um, today we are joined by Shay Rankin. Shay, welcome to the Summits [00:05:00] podcast. Shea: Thanks for having me. Excited to be here. Vince: We're excited to have you here. Um, not just because you brought right smart sweets, not because you bribed him. Right. But genuinely. But it's always good to rekindle. Um, we've s. It's probably been a couple years since we last ran into each other. Um, for your benefit. Vince: Mm-Hmm. And you were maybe born. Yeah. You were born. It's a loaded statement. Not, not by much. Yeah. So Shay and I met back, uh, at IU in Bloomington. Shay was working at Nick's, which is a pop, very popular restaurant bar in, in Bloomington. Okay. Shaa was basically the mayor of the hump room. Um, and don't. Not All right. Vince: Don't think I'm moving past it's, don't think what you're thinking. I'm not, I know what you're saying. You can keep my just the name of the room, but it was, it's this, it's this kind of private room, if you will. Okay. Up at the front. Upstairs and up at the front of the building. Okay. Um, and it's a great get, like if you can be like the first ones in there and kind of command that room, it's, it's a good spot to be. Vince: Okay. But Shay basically that was her room. Mm-Hmm. [00:06:00] And when I say that meaning she had the power to, of course, get you the picture that you wanted and if you were being an asshole, had the power to say. Yeah, you are out. Out. Got it. There was a lot of that. Yeah, there was a lot of that. Not us. No. You guys were Daniel: perfect, but others, perhaps Perfect. Daniel: Well, yeah, yeah. Perfect's a strong word. Yeah. I hated Shea: working that hump room, but, um, we made a lot of money in there, but they packed it in and everybody, I mean, it was a hall back and forth to get, you know, just carrying all these pictures and there's a long ramp up and down. It just got super crowded. It was chaos. Vince: Funny story. So we went back for a reunion, maybe our 25th, I can't remember. We were all up in there and we had been up there for, gosh, three hours or something that Mm-Hmm. For like forever. That's what happens. Shea: Yeah. Vince: Eat a bunch of food like pitcher after picture. Shea: Oh my gosh. And Vince: then the bill came and the receipt was like this long. Vince: Yeah. And we're expecting it to be Yeah. Pretty substantial. Yep. And I can't, myself and a couple guys were at the end of the table, so they just, whoever the waitress was, or waiter at the time just, you know, put it [00:07:00] down and said, you guys figure it out. But we looked at the total. Expecting one number. It was like 300 bucks. Vince: Yeah. I'm like, there's no way. Like every other restaurant in the city. It would be triple that. Shea: Yeah. Vince: Like welcome back to College Town. I know. That was all I know. We went up to the the waiter and said, are you sure you got everything on here? And she's like, yeah, okay. Shea: Cool. Awesome. Yeah. More money in her pocket or his pocket. Vince: Yeah, I, I'm sure we were fairly generous tipping 'cause everyone threw in cash and just kind of was a pot Daniel: like, here, yeah, just throw it. Here's what I got in my pot. I Shea: would say yeah, the groups, the college student groups were always very generous. Surprisingly so. Vince: Yeah. Yeah. Shea: Fun and just throwing money and by the time you've had a few drinks or after three hours for sure. Shea: Yeah. Vince: Right. Yeah. Yes. We may or may not have been able to have see, seen straight. Right. But we could see what that total number was. Yeah. Right. That somehow Shea: clicked. Yeah. Vince: Well, Shay, why don't you give our listeners and viewers a little background intro on yourself. Shea: Oh gosh. You want me to [00:08:00] start when? Well, when I was two. Shea: No, no. Um, okay, so let's see. Vince and I went to. College together down at iu. That's how we know each other. Uh, did a little, um, you know, spin, spin cycle, uh, leading when, what was the, what was that, um, program you had? Fundraiser, it's all fit for Heroes for Hero, fit for Hero. Are you still doing that? Vince: Uh, we are, yes. Vince: Okay, awesome. Mm-Hmm Shea: mm-Hmm. So, uh, that's, you know, kind of, we worked together a little bit there. Mm-Hmm. And then, um, at that time I owned a cycling studio Okay. In Carmel Mm-Hmm. And, uh, that's how I hooked up with some heroes people and, uh, just kind of got into the group, but had that cycling studio in, uh, Carmel for 10 years. Shea: And at the time I was, uh, training we for endurance sports. Okay. Um, and, you know, doing long bike [00:09:00] rides. Long bike races. Yeah. I went from sprint triathlons to Ironman, uh, races and, um. Vince: Because you just wanted more pain. Shea: I think that's where it goes. It's just ridic. It's a little, it's slightly ridiculous. Shea: You know, you just keep wanting more and more and more. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, that's the only, that's a logical step. So, um, I, I did three of 'em. Okay. Which was enough. Daniel: Awesome. Shea: Yeah. Yeah. And that was enough. And so after my last one, um, which was, um, in Hawaii. Nice. I did world championships. Yeah. Um. I kind of, um, I just blew up. Shea: So I did, uh, Ironman Louisville in, uh, six weeks before Ironman, uh, Hawaii. So, um. You know, they suggest you do, you know, one Iron Man a year? Maybe two. Okay. So to do one, I qualified in Louisville and I couldn't walk for, you know, two weeks and you just, you can't [00:10:00] recover. And then I had to go do world championships in Hawaii, so. Shea: You know, I went, I did the best I could, but it, you know, I finished the race and it just completely destroyed me. I can't even explain it. Like I was just, and so when I got home, um, I was, you know, fatigued, exhausted, maybe a little, you know, just real inflamed. Um. Just lost the fire. Mm-Hmm. And so I closed the cycle studio down and com just backed off of all, I didn't even want to talk to any, I didn't wanna see it. Shea: I just totally disconnected from all of it. I had to recover, regroup. Mm-Hmm. Um, so, you know, that was in, I don't know, 2014 or something. Um, 2015. I don't know. But anyway, so after that I took a little time off and, um. Then I decided I wanted to do something else, so I wanted to do yoga. I started to get into, I don't actually do a lot of yoga, but I was into the, well, I was, you know, I was [00:11:00] struggling. Shea: Mm-Hmm. You know, with health and wellness. Yeah. So I was trying to figure it out. Okay. And, um, I, in and outta doctors, I just wasn't feeling well. And so, um, I just. Dove head first into, uh, wellness and yoga was a part of that. So opened, um, a hot yoga studio downtown Indianapolis, uh, called Yoga Six. It's at Bottleworks and getting ready to open a second one in Fishers. Shea: Um, probably not until December. Will it open? It's under construction now. Yeah. Um, and then I started this, um, wellness coaching. Okay. Which is what I love to do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm having a great time doing some corporate wellness coaching. One-on-one doing groups running, you know, detoxes and, you know, group health coaching sessions and just having a blast with that. Shea: So let's talk about that. What's the name of that? Yeah, the Pilgrim Method. The Daniel: Pilgrim Method. Yep. Okay. Shea: Yep. And you know, my, my thought was that, you know, Pilgrim is just. You know, someone who's constantly on a [00:12:00] journey and, you know, just kind of plugging along. So, um, it kept coming up. It was weird. I, I was looking for the name and it just was like popping up everywhere. Shea: So I was like, that must be it. There it is. Found Vince: it. Yeah. Yep. Shea: There it is. So you Vince: coined the name, the PIL method. Yep. Um, you said you love it. So let's, let's tackle that. Um, prevention being one of the heroes, summits or pillars, if you will. Um, obviously it aligns very well with, with what you're doing. Um, I guess describe for us, if you will, a little bit greater detail what, what the Pilgrim method is and what are some of the services that you're doing and, um. Vince: Some of the benefits you've seen? Shea: Yeah. Oh gosh, that's, that's a lot of questions. Okay. What was the first one? Like what am I, what am I doing? Like what is the pilgrim method? Yeah. What does the pilgrim method do? Okay. So it's, it's, okay. So I have, um, I'm certified as a functional medicine wellness coach. Shea: Okay. Okay. So that is a program out of the Cleveland Clinic. Um, you know, I did that during COD, uh, which was, you know, just [00:13:00] awesome. So, functional medicine, uh, is the study of the root cause. Okay. Okay, so that just fascinates me. Yep. Um, you know, what caused it? You know, um, why, you know, I don't, I don't know, I don't know enough about cancer, but, you know, functional medicine when you know, well, how'd you get it? Shea: Mm-Hmm. You know, um, or why do you have this? Um, why are you depressed? Why are you anxious? Any anxiety, all of these things. Um. So that, that fascinated me. And so after I got, um, certified, I just, uh, just start, started coaching people and, um, creating programs. And I have, you know, I do, uh, I've been doing some corporate wellness. Shea: Uh, I have a 21 day I. Detox or reset. People are a little weary of the, of the term detox, but it is what it is. Mm-Hmm. And I, I love, that's where I like to start. People, you know, if somebody's coming and not feeling well and is highly inflamed, having [00:14:00] symptoms, you know, then we usually start with some kind of detox so that they can feel. Shea: Good. Vince: Mm-Hmm. Shea: And know that they can feel good, Vince: right? Shea: So, um, we usually start, we usually start there. Um, I have, you know, some movement programs and stress management programs. Okay. So I do groups like wellness clubs, corporate wellness and individuals. Vince: Yeah. Nice. Corporate wellness. Um. F in, in my mind, fairly hot topic. Vince: Mm-Hmm. As, as an employer, as, Mm-Hmm. We're both employers, um, we're all employers. Right. Um, we know that one of our biggest costs outside of payroll is health insurance. Yes. Mm-Hmm. And it's only gonna continue to go up, I'm sure. Um, what have you found, what, what is the, what has piqued the interest of companies that want to bring you in to do these programs? Vince: And I guess. What, what's driving them to do it and what, what benefits are they seeing at this point? Shea: Yeah, I think, um, well, I, I think [00:15:00] there's just a general awareness now, like this is where, you know, I don't think companies are. Obligated to do this, right? Yeah. But it's in their best interest, right? Yeah. I mean, there's lots of studies that show the bottom line is highly affected by, you know, healthy employees. Shea: And I, you know, I, I'm not saying healthy employees make the best employees, but your unhealthy employees probably aren't giving you their best. Right, right. And, you know, I've been there, you know, where I've, you know, partied all night and got up and just. Worthless the next day. So you think about that, you know, and it's like, what is, what is happening? Shea: You know, when somebody's not feeling well, like what the productivity, you know, what errors are they making? You know, throughout the day, are they really giving you their best? Mm-Hmm. So, you know, if I was running a company, I would want my employee. I mean, you can't make people be healthy in your comp, but you can create an environment. Shea: And I personally, I think it starts in the c-suite. I [00:16:00] think, uh, you know, the, uh, lead by example. Yep. Vince: Mm-Hmm, Shea: exactly. And there has to be that, well, they have to influence it and, um, you know, they have to want that and they have to show their, their employees that. You know, I, I read an article the other day where a guy was like, all, all CEOs should have a six pack. Shea: I don't know if that's the case. That's a little much, but I know what he's saying. Yeah. Like, you know, it's gonna trickle down and if that's the environment you want. You know, um, it needs to be from the leaders. Mm-Hmm. Um, so, you know, and the results, um, I had a really successful program with a company in Nashville, and I, I think. Shea: It was. So, I think it was very successful because I was there and I was in the office and I was with them for two days. And so, um, you know, and then, you know, so I was able to connect. I think that's important when you bring somebody in. So I, I don't [00:17:00] know that doing apps and step. You know, step competitions and is as effective as having somebody in there that people can talk to. Shea: Mm-Hmm. Can share their stories. I'm not, you know, I'm feeling this, you know, these kinds of que, you know, all these personal kind of questions. Mm-Hmm. So I think that was, you know, very effective. And they are still, I posted yesterday the C, the CFO, um, has seen a 20 point decrease in his blood pressure just because of, you know, I came in, I talked to him about how food effects. Shea: Inflammation. Okay. And so if you are having certain symptoms, you know, common symptoms that we all experience, bloat, body aches, those kinds of things, um, you know, try removing these things. And he did. And his body's responding. Mm-Hmm. Well, so I'm going back to do a movement challenge with them, you know, bringing me back in. Shea: And I think that's, I think that's where it's at. Yeah. Bringing somebody in and just, you know, having a leader. And somebody that your employees can talk to. Vince: Mm-Hmm. About, [00:18:00] yeah. We've, um, seen exactly what you're referring to with respect to going back to the, the Fit for Heroes comment. So one, one of, uh, the Heroes Foundation's events. Vince: You know, companies would come in, let's say to the gala, they would buy a table. They're happy to do that, but table only seats 10 people. Yeah. And so they're saying, okay, we wanna be active in the community. We agree with what your guys' mission, with what you guys are doing, but what, how do we get, we have, you know, a hundred employees, right? Vince: How do we get more of our employees involved? Can't take all hundred. Well, you could take all a hundred to the gala, but Shea: Right, right. Vince: Anyway, table one seats done. Right. So that coupled with the idea of employee wellness fit for heroes emerges and it's like, hey, get a company team. Right. It could have one person, it could have all hundred, right? Vince: Mm-Hmm. Shea: Right. It doesn't Vince: matter. Right. Um, and so you're, you're starting to see them gravitate towards that and that become. Fairly important, become a kind of a movement within the company. Yeah. And it's not just a one, you know, one day or one night thing. It could be a month long campaign. Right. And I think if they can take the [00:19:00] pilgrim method. Vince: On an annualized basis, but then also, um, do an event like that for, for 30 days. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. A nice combination. And Shea: that's ex that's exactly right. And that's what, that's what I've been doing is about 30 days. So I go in, have a conversation, but then you have to have that continual contact, right. And leader, you know, um, education piece, motivation piece, you know, guiding people along. Shea: So. It becomes like a, that's where the coaching comes in. Mm-Hmm. Right. Yeah. So you guide 'em through that process and I mean, just encourage them along the way, you know, and I don't, you know, I don't know how long it takes to create a habit. Yeah. You know, there's all kinds of 10,000 whatever minutes, whatever they say. Shea: I don't know. It seems like there's Daniel: a few different ways. Make it happen. Yeah. Shea: Um, 30 days, uh, it worked for, you know, the CFO, I mean, he created a healthy habit out of it. Right. And is seeing real results. Um, I think it's up to each individual. Mm-Hmm. Um, but I do think, I also think, um, you know, there's just a unique influence in companies to [00:20:00] create a movement. Shea: So there's like this, you know, peer influence. Mm-Hmm. And it's not, you know, it's different than it would be, you know, with your friend group. Mm-Hmm. Or, um, at home for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You know, your significant other isn't gonna be able to peer pressure you into doing something or your friends, you know, they love you regardless. Shea: Mm-Hmm. But there's just a unique. You know, opportunity that companies have because it's just different. You, you know, these people don't love you unconditionally, right? Yeah. So you're gonna have a little more, you know, I was just in a, in a place where a guy was like, no, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Shea: Um, you know, the reset and then after, you know, two weeks of people, you know, seeing results and losing weight and feeling great, sleeping better, having more energy. You know, he, you know, he was finally was like, all right, tell me what's up. You know? And I was slightly, I was like, where have you been? Mm-Hmm. Shea: Like, now I gotta redo all, you know? Yeah. But the point is, is that, you know, he was seeing results and [00:21:00] because his buddies at the office were like, come on man, you gotta do this. Mm-Hmm. It's like, all right, tell me what's up. How do I do it? Yeah. So, you know, that's, uh, you don't get that everywhere. Mm-Hmm. Vince: Yeah. Shea: Right. Vince: So what, for someone like that, um, what were some of the, what are some of the things that you were trying to encourage him or educating him on? I. Shea: On, um, well, it comes down to the food you put in your mouth, right? Yeah. So that, that, I mean, I think, you know, it's, it's different, you know, everybody has a different level of education and knowledge when it comes to food. Shea: Sometimes I go places and they're like, are you kidding me? I can't eat that. Like, I thought that was good. Mm-Hmm. And then there's, you know, other companies that I was just with, um. You imagine? Mm-Hmm. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And they, they were pretty knowledgeable, you know, the group that was there. So, you know, some of the things that I was, um, you know, giving to, you know, delivering were, uh, com you know, they knew it. Shea: Mm-Hmm. But a lot of them weren't applying it. So this guy in particular was, you know, he, they share, you know, what symptoms they have. Mm-Hmm. So, you know, I have [00:22:00] bloat or, you know, constant stomach pains. And then so we talk about the foods that cause. You know those symptoms, which there's four, you know, there's ma, there's sugar, which is the weapon of mass destruction, right? Shea: Mm-Hmm. Daniel: Shoot. Shea: I know, I know. But now you only have three grams. Three, okay. Right in front of you. Daniel: Perfect. Shea: Do you know that you should only have 31 grams of sugar a day added sugar? I Vince: did not know that. The more you know, so, Shea: yep. Write that down. Um. And I'm guessing it's even lower. That is from the World Health Organization, which is always, you know, probably not optimal. Shea: Yeah. Um, normal range, maybe. Yeah. Um, and then women, 25 grams of sugar, added sugar that doesn't include, you know, fruit, um. Yeah. But you know, if there's one thing I try to track, you know, I've done all the calorie counting and I don't like to do that macros or any of that anymore. Mm-Hmm. I do keep track of how much sugar I put in my body, [00:23:00] so, yeah. Shea: Yeah. Um, I try to keep that down, but it's a, it's more addictive than cocaine. Daniel: Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Did you know Shea: that? Daniel: I did know that. Shea: You did? Daniel: Yeah. Mm-Hmm. Shea: Okay. Daniel: Yep. Shea: The other study rat will go for the sugar every time. Daniel: Yeah. Shea: Over cocaines. It's in everything. It's, yeah. Yeah, I know, I know. It's hard. I dunno what to say. Shea: I know Daniel: you, you've broken him. Yes. Shea: So sugar dairy has. Some issues, a lot of, you know, um, and, uh, gluten is a big issue. And, um, processed vegetable oils. Okay, so those, that's the base. Those are the basics, you know, I mean, you can really get into the weeds on, I, I, do either of you follow the food, babe? Okay. Shea: Well you should write that down, Vince. It's, um, that her social media, I mean me babe, but Yeah, you heard babe. Okay. Lots of babes, but she's not one of 'em that you, um, [00:24:00] yeah. She will tell you every single day why you should not be eating certain foods and it's the food you love. Yeah. And she will tell you, she will circle. Shea: The ingredients that are linked to cancer. Yeah. You know, and it's every day. Mm-Hmm. There's something, um, and it's all the foods you love, Doritos, Kellogg cereals, Quaker Oats, everything. Yeah. Every single thing. Yep. And it's, it's hard to watch. Mm-Hmm. You know, but I think that's where we need to be. We need to be, you know, looking at that. Vince: Yeah. So if you had, based on what your research, what the food babe says, like what are a handful of items you said, okay, look. To cut everything out might not be realistic for you or it's not gonna happen on day one, certainly. But if you can make an effort, that's a good point here, three to five things, items that, what makes the most are you gotta put on the, on the list for sure. Shea: Well, um, anything in a bag or a box. Is out. Vince: Out. Yep. Shea: Yep. I mean, they're doing, they're wor they [00:25:00] are trying, I mean, you go to Whole Foods, right? They're trying, they are trying to do, um, the best they can do. There's a product called Simple Mills. Mm-Hmm. Um, you know, that is five ingredients, you know, but it's still processed. Shea: There's still some stuff in there. I mean, you can do the best you can. Do you have to start somewhere? I would start in the cabinet, you know? Right. That would be, and that's in fast food. Yeah. You don't do that though, right? No. Fast food, Vince: not as much anymore. No. Good. Oh, wow. Shea: Yeah. So I'm curious, um, so you cancer, right? Shea: Survivor? Yeah. That's awesome. Was nutrition a big topic when you were going through it? Vince: Great question. Um, when I was, this is 24, 25 years ago, right? They, they, being in this case, in my case, iu, were just starting a, um. Call it a pet project, a program, internal program that had a variety of components to it called, it's now called the Complete [00:26:00] Life Program. Vince: One of the aspects of that was having a nutritionist on staff. Okay. I had dropped, I mean, I wasn't overweight before I was diagnosed, but as part of the symptoms. I lost even more. I, I was down to like 131 pounds. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I was skelet. Yeah. I had a six pack, but not Yeah. For the right reasons. Um, and one, one of the things they wanted was they wanted me to actually get weight on because Mm-Hmm. Vince: Obviously going through chemo was gonna have, I, I was gonna lose my appetite and a variety of other things was gonna, could potentially happen. Um. So they had a nutritionist as part of this program. So the program was a variety of services outside of the medicinal treatment. Right. Um, and a nutritionist was one of them. Vince: And I think, don't quote me folks, but I think today that's fairly common practice now with, uh, cancer centers or hospitals is having a nutritionist available to talk to folks about good, what they should be eating and should not be eating. In that particular situation. Shea: Yeah. Okay. Good. That's, I had read and don't [00:27:00] quote me on this either, but that, um, medical doctors get a total of like nine hours of nutritional training. Shea: Okay. You know, so, um, there's still work to be done there. Yeah. You know, for sure. Um, especially since food is the number one cause of all of our chronic diseases. Vince: Mm-Hmm. So, so outside of the. The no boxed or bag stuff. Um, if you had to pick three to five items that you would say, make sure that that is on your grocery list, what are those items? Shea: Um, are you talking just like brands, like food? No, Vince: it doesn't be a brand, but just what type type of foods. Okay. So Shea: Kellogg's out. Vince: Okay. Shea: There's a, I mean, any Kellogg's product needs to be out of the house. Um, and there's a big lawsuit now. Activists are suing, um, Kellogg's, uh, food babe is all over it. So what Kellogg's is, um, in trouble for now is that they will put toxic product, toxic chemicals in American food, but leave it out in Europe and other, [00:28:00] um, countries so they can make their product. Shea: Without all these dyes and you know, all those chemicals and stuff. Mm-Hmm. But it tastes better probably. Mm-Hmm. And more economical, I mean, sure. You know? And last longer. And last longer. Yes. Exactly. Um, so there's a big push, you know, um, you know, Europe is way ahead of us on, on that. There's a lot of things right. Shea: You can't get a Swiss roll in Europe. It's illegal. Mm-Hmm. They won't let Triscuits, they won't let tri, you know, you can't have tris. It's the processed oils. Uh, so they're really big on, uh, you know, the vegetable oils, canola, safflower, sunflower, all those. Um, so Kellogg's out. Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, Vince: it, there's a ha different habit. Vince: Just flip on the Europe thing real quick. Shea: Yeah. And this is Vince: not a. A, any slant at Europe at all In, if anything, it's a plug. Shea: Yeah. Vince: They're just, they're not, they're not necessarily going to Costco and buying a month's worth of stuff. Right. They're going to the, the local [00:29:00] grocery store. Shea: Yeah. Vince: A couple times a week just because to your point, everything's much more fresh. Vince: Mm-Hmm. Not using as much processed stuff. Um, Shea: yeah. And that's just Vince: the way it is. They're either used to it. Shea: Yeah. Vince: Yeah. Shea: It's, I know. And I wish there was more of that here. They do not. Um, and you know, they also won't take our cow chicken. Meat. You know, they won't take our meat because it's so, so much antibiotic and steroids and stuff, so they won't import it. Shea: Yeah. That's crazy too, huh? Yeah. So if you can have, and that would be the other thing I would say, if you can afford it, I would definitely eat organic. Yep. Yeah. Meat. Okay. Yeah, for sure. And it's expensive. Mm-Hmm. All of this is expensive, right. You know, like I said, this was $40 for Lyft, two bags you owe me. Shea: I'll eat Daniel: one a day. Yeah. So one a day, half a wine. Put the Venmo request here. Yeah, she leaves. Yeah, that's right. Shea: Um. But that you need to do that. Mm-Hmm. Um, [00:30:00] you know, there, uh, there's some speculation that, you know, the, all the antibiotics and steroids in our meat and, and dairy is causing, you know, premature, um, puberty in, in kids. Shea: Um, so it's pretty, it's out there, man. Vince: Right? Shea: Yeah. It's scary. Vince: Mm-Hmm. Okay. So, and you have Shea: to do it. You have to take care of yourself. So, yeah, no Kelloggs, no cereal, not only just like. I would say any cereal in the morning, we don't, you know? Yeah. It just, it just boosts your, um, insulin and then you're just, you know, char, you know, all day long trying to get that blood sugar down, you know, the milk and I, that's what I grew up on. Shea: Mm-Hmm. You know, big two bowls of cereal, you know, a lot of milk and a glass of orange juice. Mm-Hmm. And I had to have, you know, 45 grams of sugar before I left the house. Yeah. And then you try and focus. Right. Right. Throughout the day. And that's hard where you're, you know, you're high and then you're low, and then you crash and you know, and then you eat Noble Roman's pizza for lunch. Shea: Mm-Hmm. We did a lot of that. Sounds like a great day. So you wouldn't know. [00:31:00] Yeah. I just struggled with weight too, because of it. Right. All through, all through high school, I didn't know any better. Mm-Hmm. You know? Yeah. Mm-Hmm. We don't know any better. You don't know what you don't know. Mm-Hmm. Sure. But I wish I, I wish I did. Shea: I'm teaching my kid that's hard. Yeah. That's hard. That's really hard. Um, that was one of the questions that I got in a recent, um, lunch and learn that I did, is like, how do you teach your children? Right? Because, um, they grew up on this stuff. Mm-Hmm. And so their taste buds are for it. Mm-hmm. Right. Shea: Everything has sugar. Yep. You know, and so they can, if it's not. High, there's at least 57 different names for sugar in our food. Mm-Hmm. And, you know, os high fructose corn syrup, all of those things. So they make everything taste really good that way. Right. And the kids, that's what they want. Vince: Yeah. You know, so you'll do lunch and learn with schools versus as well as. Vince: I would Shea: do a lunch, but I haven't. Vince: Okay, gotcha. No, yeah, Shea: no, but sign [00:32:00] me up. That would be great. I, that's a whole nother, uh, I mean category. Yes. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure that's hard. I mean, that's just, I don't know if there's money for that, you know, in the schools. I wish there was, but I pack a lunch every day. Shea: That's how we manage it. Sometimes he eats it, sometimes he, you know, gets pizza. You know, you can only control what you can control. I just send him with good food and hope he eats it. But sometimes he has a craving for something else and Yeah. I don't get on him about it. Yeah, right. You know? Yeah. But I say, Hey, these blackberries are $6. Shea: You know, if you don't eat 'em, bring 'em home. Don't throw 'em in the trash, because I will eat them. Yeah. Okay. Mom. Okay. Vince: Yeah. So blackberries are good. Shea: Yeah. Fruit's, good Fruits, veggies, Vince: fruits. Okay. Yeah. Shea: Yeah. Beautiful. Here, I'll read you. What, um, have you read the comfort crisis? Lemme put my glasses. I haven't, no. Shea: Well, okay, so I'm sure you know these people. The, uh, world Cancer Research Fund, American [00:33:00] Institute of Cancer Research, I don't know. They, um, they've, they've been three decades analyzing data on cancer prevention. Okay. Okay. These are, these are the experts. Cancer is a multifactorial disease that is fueled by a deranged metabolism. Shea: Right. Vince: Okay. Shea: Okay. Um, which is why they concluded that being at a healthy weight was the number one thing a person could do to prevent cancer. I don't know. What do you think a person should mostly be eating? Here you go. Unprocessed to no surprise here, I'm sure. Mm-Hmm. Unprocessed whole grains and tubers. Shea: That's funny. Daniel: Tubers. Shea: Tubers. Daniel: Tubers. Yeah. Potatoes, carrots. Oh, root brew. Vegetables. Root vegetables. Shea: Fruits. Vegetables. In lowish, not apple. My tubers. Animal protein. You're gonna have to up your tubers. Tuber. Daniel: My, my tuber knowledge. Shea: Tuber load. Yeah. So there you go. That's, well, we Vince: certainly know that obesity, there is a correlation between obesity [00:34:00] and a higher likelihood. Vince: If I'm saying that correctly, of being diagnosed with cancer. Shea: Yeah. Vince: Amongst other, like heart, heart disease and for sure diabetes, God knows what else? Diabetes. Yep. Mm-Hmm. Shea: Yep. Vince: Um, yeah. Well that's, yeah, that's, that's certainly good to know and, and I think. To your point earlier about having to go back, like you can't just go do one presentation leave and expect it to just sink in. Vince: And it's, it's a, it's a habitual thing, right? Um, Shea: yeah. You have to practice, so I get it. Vince: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shea: You know, I would hope, and you can answer this, so after you go through something like cancer, some chronic disease where you may not live, you know, um, does it change your life? I mean, do you start making. Shea: Better de lifestyle decisions. Did that affect, did you do it? I think take a while in some cases, Vince: yeah. Okay. Um, but then again, it, it comes back to can you create a habit out of it? Mm-Hmm. And can you stick with it? Right. It's like anything else, Shea: right? Yeah. Did you, Vince: sometimes. Shea: Sometimes. And that's good. Shea: That's fine. I mean, we can't be perfect, right? I mean, I. [00:35:00] Work it. I live it, I study it, and I'm not perfect, you know, and I don't try to be, you know, I'll have pizza and Mm-Hmm. You know, uh, things I shouldn't have. I, you know, I did quit drinking eight years ago, so that was a big, um, lifestyle change for me in a big way. Shea: Sure. Yeah. Um, so, you know, making, but it took. You know, I was 43 years old when I finally quit drinking. So, yeah. Um, that's what I would encourage people to is you're never too late. I just started working with a lady who's 68, you know? Okay. And she's like, I'm just tired of not feeling good. So, yeah. Shea: Perfect. Yeah. And you know, that's where I like to, you know, I just, none of us are, and I shouldn't say none of us. I mean, it's hard to feel a hundred percent right. Mm-Hmm. But. I think I read the stat was like we are operating at about 50, 60% humans. Mm-Hmm. I believe that. Do you? Yeah, that's Vince: probably fair. Shea: Yeah. I mean, we are all gonna have our days. Mm-Hmm. Yep. Right. But we're probably [00:36:00] all just kind of, you know, so, you know, we all wanna thrive. You know, we all want to do the best we can do. And so if you're not making healthier priority, then you're not, that's not gonna happen in all aspects of your life. Shea: Yeah. Right, right. Yep. Yep. So your job, your relationships, friendships, social life, you know, however you show up for life, um, if you're not feeling good mm-Hmm. You know, so I think that's the, the message that I really try to, you know, yeah. Um, instill in people. Mm-Hmm. You know. Um, what's your mindset around it? Shea: Is it a priority? Yep. It shouldn't be a priority 'cause without it you, you know. Yeah. As say what you got. Health Vince: is wealth. Shea: It is, yes. Yep. Yeah. Um, Winston Churchill said, you know, a healthy citizen is the a country's greatest asset. Hmm. It's good sun. Vince: There you go. Yeah. Isn't that good? So Daniel and I both really like pizza. Shea: Okay. Let's talk about pizza. Vince: We do on occasion. Is olive [00:37:00] oil good? Like Yeah, it's great. Okay. Okay. We'll put. We'll perfect. Put, um, olive oil that's been infused with jalapenos or habaneros on drizzle lettuce on the pizza. That, that makes it better. Right? Shea: Oh, then you are good. Yeah, that is, yes, that is, absolutely, it is very good. Shea: That makes it healthy for sure. Sweat a Vince: little bit. Yeah. Makes my head sweat. Yeah. Detox, Shea: right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, no. Yeah. Sauna. A little self-induced sauna, right. Daniel: Negates everything else. Where do you guys get pizza? Shea: Because. Daniel: Well, I'll let you answer that. Shea: Where do you get pizza now? Uh, Daniel: I pretty much at this point, unless it's like for like work events or things like that, if I'm gonna have pizza, I'll just make it. Shea: Oh, good. Mm-Hmm. Okay. So you make the dough and everything? Mm-Hmm. That's awesome. Daniel: Yep. Shea: That's what you should be doing. Yep. I approve. Daniel: It's a, it's a. It's a fun hobby at this point. Oh, it's a hobby? Yeah. Shea: Oh, awesome. Some pizza, pizzas, uh, pizza ovens. Mm-Hmm. And all that. Daniel: Yep. Yeah. Okay. Shea: What do you put on it? Daniel: Um, usually Sour Kids, that's me. Daniel: I, [00:38:00] I prefer, I like just a cheese pizza. Shea: Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. I mean, Daniel: I'll put like sometimes like pepperoni and stuff on it. Oh, sorry. But it's good with like you and Shea: my 13-year-old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's, that's all you need. The essence. That's simple guy. A pizza. Yeah. Vince: That's great. Macaulay Culkin. Daniel: Yeah. Daniel: I'm, I'm okay with it. Plus my kids prefer cheese pizza, so it's true. They, it's just easier if I make a couple of those and instead of having to figure everything else outside. How Shea: old are your kids? Daniel: Two and a half. Shea: Two twins. Mm-Hmm. Okay. Yep. Wow. Daniel: Yep. Yep. Oh man, I, yep. Fun stuff, Vince. Now Shea: I said, you know, two is what they say. Shea: Terrible twos, and I say. Three is a shit show, man. So you're back up two times three? Yeah, we're Daniel: entering. Yeah. Yeah. Two times three. We've got a boy and a girl, so we've got a whole dichotomy. You Shea: have twins, right? Yeah, Daniel: I do. Yeah. Shea: Okay. They're a little Daniel: bit older. They're 20. Yeah. Yeah. Shea: Yeah. And we call Daniel: them in for reinforcements every now. Shea: Yeah. There's a lot of that. That's so special though. Yeah. What an awesome, it's fun. Yeah. We cool. And I'm surprised your girls went in different directions, right? They Vince: did, Shea: yeah. Okay. It's probably best. Yeah. They have to at some point, for sure. Yeah, they have to. Yeah. That's awesome. [00:39:00] Vince: Well, Shay, what, what's one parting word of wisdom or words of wisdom would you like to give? Shea: I would just say, um, you know, it, you, you have to, you have to make it a priority. You gotta wake up every day and say, and you know, what am I gonna do today to create health, to not, to avoid illness? Right. And you just have to learn. You have to educate yourself. Mm-Hmm. And, you know, another thing I would say is, um, just become aware of, you know, how your body's feeling, right? Shea: You know, the, you know, I, you know, these uncon, these common symptoms of, you know, fatigue and below and, you know, gastro distress. I mean, they're common, but they're not normal. You know, your body doesn't wanna feel that way. So if you're. Feeling those things, you're inflamed and inflammation, if not, you know, um, treated, you know, it becomes a chronic [00:40:00] disease. Shea: Sure. Mm-Hmm. So cancer is, you know, starts with inflammation. All chronic diseases are inflammation in our body that just get out of control. Yeah. Right. So, um, start paying attention. Take the, take a, um, inflammation quiz on Dr. Will Cole's, uh, website. It's free. Dr. Will Cole. Mm-Hmm. Okay. See where and see where you're at. Shea: Okay. But I think people know where they're at. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. I think they know how they're feeling, right? Mm-Hmm. So, um, do the best you can do. It's hard, man. It is hard. Yeah. I mean, just when you think you've got it figured out, they change everything and. Man, you know? Yeah. It's hard. So. Vince: Well, we appreciate you coming on. Vince: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for the, uh, smart sweets. Yeah. I'll provide a review later. Shea: Yeah. Well I might hit you up for one of those Yeah. Swedish fish before I leave. That's my, that's my sweet. That's your, uh, that's, that's your Yes. Spice Pure Vice. Yeah. Yeah's the one candy. I do enjoy. Okay. And And dots. So we'll have to have it. Shea: We'll do, yeah, be well. Thanks for having me. It was fun. Thanks for being here. You're welcome. Appreciate it. [00:41:00] Yeah. Congratulations on this. I love it. Vince: Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Shea: Yeah. Vince: And thank all you guys for joining us on this episode of the Summits podcast. We appreciate you all for joining us. Vince: If you learn anything new today, then, then we've done our job. Don't forget, guys beat cancer.