Sarah Beggs === Vince: [00:00:00] Quick question after we graduated. Yeah. Did you come straight here or did you do something else first? Sarah: No, I came straight here. Okay. I thought I was gonna go back to Dallas, right. Where, which is where I had my summer internship after. Okay. Or between my senior year, I thought I was gonna go back to EDS Mm-Hmm. Ross Zo Company. Vince: Okay. Sarah: And, um, I met Bill, I had met Bill my senior year, and I was leaving here and Kurt Sim offered me an internship. Okay. And so I did a round robin internship here at the foundation in a bunch of different areas. And when I left. I didn't have a job and I went home, and then Kurt finally called me and said, Hey, I have two job opportunities. Which one do you want? And so then I decided to take that one rather than the job offer back home. Okay. Stay up here. Vince: All right, cool. Yeah, I thought that was maybe the case, but I couldn't remember. There was a No, I've here, you did something else first. No, I, this will Sarah: be next month. I'll have been here 29 years. Wow, that's a long time. Yeah, and I, you know, what does that say? Yeah. Does it say that, you know, you're really dedicated and passionate about the work that you [00:01:00] do? 'cause I think I am, yes. But, or does it say that I'm afraid of change and I'm not willing to go anywhere else? Vince: If you're looking too deeply, maybe I would say that for certainly the former, but at the same time, I mean, it shows. Um, the work that you've done here. I mean, we don't have that many employees that have been with us for 29 years, and if we had then I, I would say not only they dedicated, but then clearly they're doing something right. Otherwise, either they would've left on their own or some other Daniel: they've been Vince: option Daniel: we would've free. Their free future would've been freed up. That's, that's Sarah: exactly right. Well, so Heroes, foundation's been in existence since 97? Vince: No. Uh, may have. 2001, or sorry, may of 2000, it kind of started, but really the f um, 2001 is kind the first official year. So 2025, we'll be our 25th year technically. Mm-Hmm. It'll be our 25th gala in January. Okay. Which is crazy. Yeah. Coming. Yeah. You should. You guys, we are coming. Get JT there. Um, anybody else you wanna [00:02:00] bring down here? Bring 'em on up. Okay, I'll do it. Should be a good one. 25th, right? Mm-Hmm. Gotta go big blow out. Cello shots and everything. I can make 'em, if you, that's Sarah: the kind of party you have. It's Well Daniel: everyone look under your chair Vince: in the early years. Yes. And we probably should. I mean, hey might as well. And then it's all, all for philanthropy. Daniel: You might wanna cut that Sarah: part. Cello Shots for Philanthropy. That's a new fundraiser I've heard of Lemonade Days. And is that part Daniel: of the students Helping Students program? Vince: Uh, in that case it probably should be yes. We'll have all the 21 and over undergrads come up to serve everyone Jello shots in their Ts. That'd be sweet. Oh yeah. Is this thing on. Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of the Summits podcast. [00:03:00] Thank all of you for joining us for this episode. Wherever you get your podcast, or if you're tuning in on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel, thank you very much for doing so. Pretty excited about this one, a long time friend from back in the IU days. Uh, there's something here we wanna share on this episode. Something's probably best not share on this episode. Uh, but it's gonna be a good one regardless. Uh, miss Sarah Begg, Sarah has been with the IU Foundation ever since we graduated in like 2015. Okay, nice. Try 1990, that five. Yeah. For those, you know, keeping track. Uh, she is the Senior VP of Advancement Services here at the IU Foundation. So Sarah, welcome to the Summits podcast. Sarah: Great. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Vince: You're welcome. Um, why don't you introduce yourself for all our, our viewers and watchers? Sarah: Well, so you've known me for a long time, so mother of three kids, um, wife to my husband, bill, and, um, a really strong, I have a really strong faith, family and friends.[00:04:00] And then of course, this, um. How I've gotten to reconnect with you, which is through my role here at the IU Foundation. Vince: Yeah. Um, you said Plano, Texas. Mm-Hmm. Um. Born and raised there. Sarah: I was born and raised there, but I was the product of two Hoosiers. Okay. My parents are both from Fort Wayne. Oh, really? As, as most of my family. Um, on that side, I have lots of cousins who are IU grads and, um, when I moved to Texas, the only place that I could justify outstate tuition was Indiana University. At the time when I came to college, or when I was choosing colleges, I think a credit hour at. The University of Texas was about $15 a credit hour, and still we chose my, my parents were wonderful. They knew how much I loved IU and um, still supported my efforts to get here. Vince: Oh, good on them. Yeah. Can you imagine $15 a credit hour today? Oh my goodness. Three kids in Sarah: college, I think I would love that. That would awesome. Vince: Yeah. [00:05:00] All right, so you came to IU and. In, in theory, you've never left, which is great. That's true. That's a huge, huge benefit to iu, huge benefit to the Bloomington community. Um, but as we were talking about before, I think that says something about you and you and you were saying, well, does it, does it say this? Or does it really say this? I, I think what it says is, yes, your commitment, uh, your loyalty, um, but you're very good at what you do. And that goes back to when we got to know each other at the IU Student Foundation. That's right. And I think it just has transcended here and it hasn't, hasn't. Changed. Sarah: No, my love for the university hasn't changed. Programs like the Student Foundation, um, and a lot of the other things that the university does and the role that it plays in our community and in our state, um, and with our alumni all over the world, it really is, it's kind of a passion point for people as it is me. It would be a lot easier to go do something else, not work, whatever, but, um, I love it here. Mm-Hmm. And I love the people that I work with and the people that I get to reconnect with, so thank [00:06:00] you. Vince: That's saying something. Yeah, Sarah: yeah, Vince: yeah. Sarah: And your daughter, Vince: right? I mean, that, that's a Sarah: huge highlight. A lot of us who are in our fifties, um, you know, a lot of folks have their kids coming back now. Right? And so that has been absolutely a huge joy of being here in Bloomington, being a part of the foundation where, you know, we get to reconnect like with awesome kids like your mia, Vince: right? Mm-Hmm. Um. Uh, I just had a brain fart. Daniel: What was that again? You mentioned, um, there you go. You had, um, um, an op you interned down in Texas when you graduated. Graduated. Graduated before I, yes, before I graduated. And then you did an internship at the foundation? I did. What was that experience like? Sarah: Oh, it was amazing. It was amazing. I had just come off a wonderful year long story. Stint at the IU Student Foundation. Okay. Which is a student organization here on campus that's dedicated to teaching students about philanthropy. It's best known for little 500 IU [00:07:00] Sing and things like that. And Vinny and I did that together and it was really incredible. Mm-Hmm. And. I had thought that I was gonna go back and be in community relations with a company down in Dallas. It was the company that both of my parents worked for. Okay. Um, but instead, um, Kurt Simmick, who was president of the foundation, um, at the time, said, Hey, I really think you should try. I. Try this out. Mm-Hmm. Stay here. So I spent a summer working in areas like T Funds when we, back when we had a telephone called People After Dark, um, trying to get money. That's a telephone. Daniel: Oh, okay. All right. Got it. Sarah: Yeah. Daniel: Rotary, Sarah: we called the phone. It might have even been rotary you back in that day. Um, worked in, uh, annual giving. Okay. Which is just the solicitation that you get Mm-Hmm. You know, in the mail. Yep. Planned giving, um, working on files and trying to understand why people might, um, give some of their estate to the university when they pass. Okay. I worked in major gifts [00:08:00] as kind of a back office person, wa person watching development officers do their thing, and then prospect research, which is where I ultimately ended up for my first job. Vince: Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you've seen all the different aspects of philanthropy. Um, any any of them really stand out to you? I mean, in terms of, obviously it's, it's, it's massively important. I. Um, but there any, any aspects of it that really stand out to you in terms of that, that, that you enjoyed seeing or enjoyed working with the most? Sarah: Oh, goodness. Um, it's interesting. So from 20, let's see, or 2000 to 2011, I was a part-time employee. I did special projects, and when you do special projects, you get a variety of different assignments. You never know what you're gonna get. Yeah. Um, so one. The two things that I think stand out for me the most in my, even just in my career here happened, um, around, you know, in that, in that window one would be, um, our internship program. I [00:09:00] had such a great experience there. Mm-Hmm. That, um, they wanted to put something formal together. What they do today is. 10 times better than anything I ever did. It's way more professional. The Daniel C. Smith internship program is second to none, but back in the aughts, um, we, um, we had students that came through here who wanted to experience philanthropy. They wanted to be more connected to iu. Mm-Hmm. And, um, some of those students have gone on and. Stayed here, um, for employment or they've gone out and they've done great things other places. I still keep in touch with a lot of 'em and, you know, connecting with, like I said, those kids of friends from college, that's been a pretty wonderful experience just to see those kids launch with a love for IU and a little bit better idea of what the foundation does. And I think the other thing that I'm, I don't know if it's, I'm probably the most proud of, or one of the things that I'm most proud of is the work that we did to elevate women's philanthropy at [00:10:00] iu. When I got here and started my job in 95 in prospect research, um, one of the assignments that I was given by my boss at the time, Kathy Wilson was. To help research women who might want to be a part of something that we then called the Colloquium for women of iu, which was an event that we had up until last year. So it, it's, it's been pretty longstanding. Vince: Mm-Hmm. Sarah: And. It was a time where we would bring women together because not every woman wanted to go to a football game or a basketball game, which is where at that time we were bringing couples to go. Vince: Yeah. Sarah: And um, this was supposed to be something just for women and for their interests. And at the time it was led by our first lady of iu, uh, peg brand. And she was an incredible mentor. She was strong, she was tough, uh, and she really had a vision. And then over the years, and subsequent first ladies particularly, particularly with Lori Burns cro, who, um, her husband was president up [00:11:00] until 2020, um, was really instrumental. In making women's philanthropy and building it into what it is today with the women's leadership, uh, count, women's Philanthropy Leadership Council. There have been other philanthropy circles that have grown out of that. The Black Philanthropy Circle, the queer Philanthropy Circle, and I. Think in the near future a Latina, um, philanthropy circle. And so I think being a part of something when it started is something that I'm really proud of and I've loved to see how it's grown and evolved. Mm-Hmm. There's no better compliment, I think to, um, the work you do, whether it's in behind the scenes or it's in leadership. If you have a little seed and you watch others. Help it grow. Yeah. Um, and it turns into something great. It's, it's pretty awesome. So, Vince: yeah. Agreed. Uh, so you have a new role here at the IU Foundation? I do. Talk to us about that. Sarah: Well, I'm one week in and, um, so Vince: you're an expert now? Sarah: I, I, I'm an expert. I'm, I am literally drinking through a fire hose, right. So I had a [00:12:00] new advancement services pillar here it is a mixture of. Six different, um, departments here at the Foundation Prospect Research. So it's like a little bit like going home. Um, the Advancement Data Services group, which handles all of the data in and out of our foundation, uh, CRM, our database, um, events, which I love and just. Have such admiration for all of the work they do. Our donor relations department, which is really strong in the work that it does for a lot of our high level events, high level giving societies, the Heroes Foundation is a part, is a part of that world. Um, revenue operations, which is what we do. Um, when a donor makes a gift, the money comes in and we make sure it's attributed to the right. Person or people. And then, um, account administration, which is how we pro, it's so large, but probably what it's best known for is how we process gift agreements and make sure that donor intent is followed. Vince: Yeah. And Sarah: so all of those [00:13:00] people are coming together and right now what we're trying to do is find the commonalities between those groups because our ultimate goal is to make all of our services incredibly smooth. Mm-Hmm. Um, our processes seamless. So that our development officers don't have to scramble and find, um, find contacts or information about things, um, in a complicated way, they can do it a lot easier, which in turn frees them up. Mm-Hmm. To get back out on the road a little bit more. Yeah. But more importantly, really helps with the donor experience because if they're not having to sputter or stall, then um, it's really gonna make it a lot easier for our donors. Mm-Hmm. And we have a Cracker Jack leadership team. We just had our first. All team meeting, all 75 of us, um, on Friday. And, um, just to see the, the willingness to try something new in the room. It was pretty inspiring. So, so far, Monday of week two is going well. Vince: Great, great. We're glad to be a part of week. [00:14:00] Glad we could kick off week two, four. And that's right. This, this new, uh, this new role of yours. Mm-Hmm. Is not gonna interfere with you doing the intros at the present circle event. Will it? Sarah: Rumor has it that I'm gonna. Stay and roll. Vince: Okay. All right. Perfect. The rumor has Sarah: it, Vince: you have, there's a lot of attributes that, that I could say, um, about you, but your ability to introduce people and the way you handle that, uh, is, is great. I appreciate that. It's not just the glasses. Sarah: I always have my big red glasses on when I'm reading those. That's great. What I love about, you know, I was a substitute. Okay. I was, I was an A last minute sub for that, probably 10 years ago, and the job has stayed with me since then. But my favorite part about it, and this probably I should have answered the question that you asked me earlier with this part of it too, is the stories. Mm-Hmm. And so when we do get to read those stories at events like President Circle or we do something similar with Partners in Philanthropy, which is another recognition group that we have here at the foundation, um, [00:15:00] it's telling people stories and getting to refine that. Yeah. So that there are special things that people remember, um, or other people learn about them. Mm-Hmm. That help connect them, um, during events like that. So it's, it's a gift to me. Well, more so than anything, Vince: it's a gift to us the way you do it. It's, it's very well done. Um, I have to ask this, and you maybe have already answered it, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. What would you say of, of all the years you've been here from undergrad through today, what, what are you most proud of? Sarah: Oh, wow. That is a really big question. You could have given that to me yesterday, and I could've thought about it a little bit. I could Vince: have. You could, you Sarah: could have, um Vince: hmm. I'm sure there are many. Uh, Sarah: there are a lot of things that I'm proud of. Um, I think that what I am most proud of is, and this is gonna sound kind of silly, but there are a lot of people who loved that were [00:16:00] in our era of the foundation or my parents' era Mm-Hmm. Of Indiana University who like to come back to campus and. I love when they come back and I'm able to find that, um, special memory mm-hmm. That they have and connect it back to the way the university is today. And also show them how the university has evolved. Vince: I. Sarah: And in the work that I do, one of the things that I have found is that when alums come back, their, their vision of Indiana University is freeze framed in their mind. The day that they left. Yeah, Vince: yeah. Sarah: Whether it was something about Jo, you know, jumping in, show Walter Fountain or leaving their. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Jumping and show Walter Fountain. You do something. Or taking pictures on the Simon Scott assembly hall floor or whatever it was. That's how the university is supposed to remain. And so I think I'm most proud of, or at [00:17:00] least I'm most happy to try to connect the old with the new. Yeah. And, um, keep Indiana University special for the people who come back. Vince: Yeah. Mm-Hmm. We were talking about this earlier on the way in. Um. Whether you're talking about Bloomington or West Lafayette or Knoxville, Tennessee, we don't talk about West Lafayette. We try not to really? I just wanna get, but I'm wearing a guest tag. Yeah. You're allowed to be here. We're gonna take a picture of that. You take picture. Yeah. Um, but all these university towns are, are changing a lot and, and along the same ways and, and we're not gonna get into like better or for worse or whatever, but to your point, when if someone's been away from from campus for a long time, they come back like, oh my God, so much has changed. It's true. But then they hit that one or two or 10 things that like, oh, that's still there. And all of a sudden the memories flashback. That's right. You're spot on in terms of that, just, that just kind of brings 'em back full circle and, and, and it is cool. I mean, I iu that's a very good job. I think of yes, it changes [00:18:00] is the only constant life, right? There's gonna be constant build out and, and expansion and growth and, and change of certain things that need to be changed, but. There's also the traditional things that have remained, and hopefully it will remain for a long time. And I think those are the things that kind of bring us all back. And so even though I'm here somewhat regularly, I still love coming back to just to, to take it all in again. And, and so you're, you're spot on there. Um. Sarah, you, you know, the, the basis of the Heroes Foundation, the basis of this podcast. Um, and you, I already know this answer, but, um, what is your cancer story? Sarah: Oh, ah, does everybody kind of go ugh, when you ask them that story? Vince: Typically? Yes. Yeah. Sarah: So we have a very unexpected cancer story and one that, um. No parent ever, um, ever anticipates. So we have three kids. Mm-Hmm. Um, a daughter and two sons. And my daughter is, uh, was 23, she's now 25. And actually the second ca her second year, her cancer [00:19:00] anniversary is this week. Vince: Oh. Sarah: Um, my daughter was 23 and was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Um, alk. Positive is the non, I think it's non-small cell lung cancer. Um, ALK is a gene. It's a mutation. It's a gene mutation. It's not hereditary. It's just one of those things. Mm-Hmm. She was not a smoker. Didn't come from a family of smokers and. Um, I mean it acts, it absolutely rocked our world. Um, still does in many ways, but is it's also kind of become a part of our new normal. Vince: Yeah. Sarah: Um, but anyway, so she was 23 and I'm happy to tell you the story of how we found out she had cancer, if that. Vince: Yeah, Sarah: so, um, she moved to New York City. She had a fantastic college career. She went to DePaul University in Greencastle. Just really loved the people there, loved her sorority sisters, was very involved. Moved to New York City, um, to work for an [00:20:00] investment, investment banking firm, um, that she had interned with for two summers. So hard charging, you know, a hundred hour weeks, that kind of thing, run down, not feeling great. And we thought for sure that she was just run down from working too hard. Mm-Hmm. And then all of a sudden she started to not be able to keep food down. And so we, that was in February of 22. And so she went to an ENT and the ENT said, well, you could have acid reflux. You might need to sleep a little more, you know, try to eat a little more food. And she said, yeah, I just don't feel great. Had lost some weight. So we started down the path, she started down the path. I've gotta remember that, that's the hard part about parenting adult kids. Vince: Mm-hmm. Sarah: That she started, um, her journey with getting, um, tested for acid reflux or for any type of esophageal, um, issues or stomach issues. We went through the process, um, all of the [00:21:00] scans and the x-rays, and they didn't show anything. And so we really, you know, other than, you know, heavy dose of like antacid, we really didn't have a lot of answers. And then in August of that summer. We got a call on a Sunday night. My husband answered his phone and she was calling because she was walking herself to the emergency room because she thought she was having a heart attack. And so I can hear my husband Bill talking on the phone to her. I start packing my bag to fly to New York, um, while they're talking. And he's like, you know, Betsy, do you wanna get. An Uber or you know, how do you wanna get to the, so I'm just gonna walk. It'll be fine. And so she shows up at the ER and the, and she's like, I think I'm having a heart attack. Well, how many 23 year olds show up at the ER having a heart attack? Right. And, um, it took them a minute, but then they let her come back. They took her back and they did an [00:22:00] X-ray and they immediately, she called us and said, mom, I don't know what's going on, but they saw something on the x-ray and they're transferring me to Weill Cornell Hospital in New York City. So by that point we had, I had a 6:00 AM flight out. Bill was gonna stay home and just be ready. We thought, well, surely it's not a heart attack. Maybe it's just all the acid reflux, you know, maybe something, maybe she's stressed, something, I mean. Never, Dawn, never dawned on us. Mm-Hmm. That it would be something different than that. So when we got, I got there on Monday morning, um, and got to the hospital, um, she was in, she was uh, in bed. She had all the things on her and they had done a bunch of tests. And the doctor came in and said, well, we don't know exactly what it is, but we think it is some kind of cancer. It could be, um, some sort of lymphoma. We're not sure yet. And so that was the first gasp. Mm-Hmm. [00:23:00] Okay. Okay. We will figure this out, can still see her sitting there in her bed. And so, um, they said they wanted to do, um, a little bit more testing on her. And so fine. So that was planned for Tuesday. In the meantime, we'd called my husband, who had already talked to a local doctor here, who'd been a wonderful reference for us, and had seen Betsy's X-Rays, um, and said, bill, you probably need to get out to New York. So Bill was coming in hot either Monday night or Tuesday morning. Hmm. And so Tuesday, um, they did some, some more testing and found out that it was not lymphoma, that it was. Some other type of cancer, but they weren't sure. They weren't sure if it was stomach cancer or um, esophageal cancer. They mentioned lung cancer, but it wasn't really something because her lungs, one of her lungs had collapsed [00:24:00] and her entire chest was filled with fluid. That is why she thought she was having a heart attack. Mm-Hmm. Because all of her organs had pushed over, um, because her lung had collapsed, and so it hurt. Yeah. Moving it over. Yeah. And so anyway, the long and the short of it is she went through, um, a pretty big surgery that afternoon to try to get some of the, they went in and they took the fluid off of her lungs, try still trying to figure out what was wrong with her, inserted a port, um, into her side. And by Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning, they had a. Better handle on the type of cancer and believed that it was lung cancer and that someone with her age and her history, it was likely this sort of rare, only a hundred thousand people a year are diagnosed, um, with this type of cancer and it's alk plus. And, um, it's mostly, it's, [00:25:00] I think, uh, it's, it's. I gotta think, make sure I've got this right. It is about, uh, I wrote it down. I know this isn't good for camera, but I'm gonna tell you this. Oh, 5% of all lung cancers. So all of the lung cancers are, um, I. Yeah, ALK positive. And of that 5%, 30% are people under 40. So, um, treatment for this lung type of lung cancer has been around for not as long as, as other types of treatments. Yeah. But going back to the diagnosis, it absolutely put our jaws on the floor and the fact they said that it was stage four. Yeah. Stage four lung cancer in my 23-year-old daughter who had this incredible life ahead of her, and we'd done everything right. Like what? You know, I mean, we, we weren't perfect parents. My kids will give you the list. We go through it sometimes [00:26:00] of all the things that we messed up, but like. We didn't smoke in our house. We know we don't drink. Probably not enough. And so like, like what, what did we do? What did she do to deserve this? And nothing. Mm-Hmm. It's just one of those crazy things, as you know. Vince: Yeah. We won the lottery. We didn't wanna win Sarah: that. Yeah. That is not the lottery that, that we wanted to win. And so, oh, it was, I. At the same time where my daughter is devastated, we're devastated. Family back home and all over the country are devastated and wanting to help. And I've never been so grateful for my faith and my family and my friends. Um, you almost, my daughter was so strong and we were having really, really hard to sit discussions and decision and discussions and having to make decisions about things that I never. Thought that we would be making [00:27:00] decisions about. Mm-Hmm. Um, it was, it was overwhelming. At best. Um, and, but she was, I mean, she, we all had our times where we broke down and lost it. Um, it was, it was really, really hard. But I gotta say she's tough. She is one tough kid. I don't know where she gets it, but she is, she is really, really. Amazing. And the care that we got at Weill Cornell in those initial days, and the doctors that she was, um, affiliated with, um, really helped us get through some pretty dark times. It was really a rough go, um, until probably, I don't know, maybe I, I think I finally breathed a little bit, you know, maybe this fall. You know, a year after. Vince: Yeah. So, um, we're two years out now. You said this is a two year anniversary or a cancer anniversary. [00:28:00] Um, how are things today? Sarah: Things are good things, things are good. And it's funny because my husband, my husband and I have had different roles in this cancer journey. Um, I don't know if you ever have done the Clifton strengths finders? Vince: I don't think so. Sarah: Okay. So I've heard of it. One of my strengths is positivity. So I usually, and I have, I mean, for as probably as long as you've known me, um, positivity is sort of my, that's. Something that kind of gets me through. My husband really believes in extra research and so he's reading the Facebook posts and reading all of the ALK positive research and, and doing all of that. And I'm looking into some of that, but I'm the one that's gonna be like, you know, everything's gonna be okay. Everything's gonna be all right. And there's a time and place for both I've learned. Sure. Um, and they're not always mutually, mutually exclusive, but. Um, she's doing well in, um, earlier this year. We, she's been on Alectinib, which is, um, which is a [00:29:00] treatment that is relatively new and has been very successful in some of its patients. Okay. Um, earlier this year we got a scan, I think it was in February, that, um. The cancer actually was not lighting up like it had on previous scans. So that was a day where I was with a friend from work and I was sitting at, we were having breakfast and Betsy called, 'cause we, you know, we are on edge every time we have a scan coming up. Mm-Hmm. She calls with the results and I lose it and. My friend, bless his heart, you know, he's just like, okay, I think I'm just gonna pay the check and we'll get out of here. And I think I cried for two hours because it was the first time where we had significant, um, change in her progression. And it was also the first time you have really tough conversations with your kids when they're diagnosed with something like this. Where at first, you know, she would say, well, I don't know if this is my last. Birthday or if [00:30:00] this is my last Christmas that that about did me in when she got this diagnose, when she got the scan, um, in February, she said, I finally realized that I need to be living to live and not living to die. And I, again, that, that about floored me. And since then we've had one more scan. We had one about four weeks ago, three weeks ago, and there's no progression. So all of the cancer that was in her lung, she had a little bit in her arm. We want it to it, it never hit, it hasn't hit her brain, which is where a lot of lung cancer patients were at Metastasis. Sizes, and it's not been there at all. Um, the one in her arm is gone. The stuff in her chest has really calmed down, so right now the drugs are, are doing its job and we are very, very grateful for that. Yeah, she also took a job where she works. I wouldn't say a lot less. But kind of less. And I also think that she realizes how important it is to live, I mean, to go and do [00:31:00] things and experience things. And you know, for her Cancerversary, she's gonna be with Taylor Swift in London. Nice. You know, with hundreds of thousands of her very best friends. Singing, you know. Yeah. Good songs. Daniel: Yeah. Vince: That's awesome. That's Daniel: awesome. Vince: That's amazing. Well, that's, uh, very good to hear. Yeah. I'm very happy to hear that. Yeah. Um, as you, as you well know, um, I'm glad she's, as you said, living to live. That's, that's a great line. Um, what, what advice would you give to another parent who has a child that's been diagnosed? Sarah: I was talking to my husband about that particular question yesterday. I wasn't sure if that would come up and. There's no one size that fits all right. Which is so cliche. It's true, but it's true. And I think it does depend on the age of your kids too. Sure You have books when you have kids you know, that say you know what to expect when you're [00:32:00] expecting and how to raise a toddler and how to do this and that. And the reality of dealing with such. A difficult situation with your kids, and it can be cancer, it could be drugs, mental health, whatever it is, there isn't always the right answer, and especially when they're adults and you're adults, we are chocked full of the right answers. It's amazing how we could help her help herself. Um, our boys, we, you know, we can just answer all their questions, you know, for them. Mm-Hmm. Um, but part of the growth process is to also, we raise them to fly. Mm-Hmm. And, and so we've had to find a really, so we've had to find a good balance and being a resource whenever she wants to talk about what's going on, get mad about what's going on. Um. What we've not done as well that I think probably could be some advice for parents is try not to hold the whole thing up [00:33:00] on our shoulders and not let, um, your child know how deeply you're feeling about this. It's okay to cry with them and it's okay to be mad. Um, you don't have to store it all up because they wanna know that you're in it with them. Right. Um, but I do think that also finding that balance of learn. Um, be patient, have a lot of grace, don't miss any moments. Um, you don't wanna miss anything. And I, and I live in an environment where work and my family and my friends didn't need that. They, they, they said, go and, and be and do what you need to do with your daughter. And to this day, still do. Mm-Hmm. So you take those moments and you don't take 'em for granted. But I think patience and learning and realizing when you have adult kids, that they also are gonna make some decisions that. You know, I wanted her to move back to Indiana. Let, let's come back here. Let's get treated. You know, you can live at home in our basement. It will be great fun. We'll, we'll take care of you. But she wants to stay in [00:34:00] New York and her healthcare is fantastic. She has since moved to Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, which is just state of the art and, and I'm and Indiana University, um, school of Medicine. Um, my colleagues up there have been fantastic. If I need a resource or Betsy's been in town and. There was gonna be she if we thought there was an emergency. They've got resources there too. They're very dedicated. But she wanted to stay in New York and you know, she's, she's a grown woman or a young, grown young woman and doing big things and is capable of making good decisions. So. Yeah. Um, gotta let 'em fly sometimes. Vince: That's right. Well, thank you for sharing. Know it's not the Yeah. Thank you. Not the easiest story in the world, but Mm-Hmm. Thank you for, uh, sharing that story with us. We appreciate it. Mm-Hmm. Uh, and thank you for doing what you do, um, your dedication to the IU Foundation, um, and, and being a partner with the Heroes Foundation is, is key. It's folks like, folks like yourselves that give us, I guess, the confidence in knowing that [00:35:00] the, the dollars that we're raising. And the way we're directing them, um, are being handled in a professional way and, and being handled in a, in a way that, uh, we can be proud of. Mm-Hmm. Sarah: All day long. I love that you're giving money for research. Um, I saw the gift that the Heroes Foundation just gave to the Notre Dame, Vince: correct? Yeah. Sarah: Doctor, and, um, I know you've done a lot to support the Indiana University School of Medicine and their cancer research, but what I also love is your patient care. Work. Um, just as again, as a mother of a child who needed extra help, it's amazing what kind of angels you're looking for in that situation. I know the Heroes Foundation really supports that. So thank you for everything. Yeah. Well, Vince: thanks. We appreciate that. Um, and thank you for taking some time outta your morning and week number two. Yeah, Sarah: absolutely. Absolutely. Always love to see you. Vince: Yeah, likewise. I thank all of you guys for joining us on this episode of the Summit's podcast. We appreciate you guys from wherever we get your podcast. Um, and those of you who turned in on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel, thank you for tuning in. We [00:36:00] appreciate it. And guys, don't forget Beat Cancer.