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Again? Come on, who let us back in? Hyperdent that's a pretty bold move on their part.
Very bold I'm not sure how we convince them to sponsor us But either way we'll be recording live from the Hilton New Orleans Riverside October 16th and 17th.
And guys do not forget on Thursday the 15th Jude Grayson is running a half-day workshop for lab owners and department leaders also sponsored by hyperdent.
Naturally, you know the night kicks off with the distillery Tour, right?
Now you are speaking my language, Elvis.
Easy there, Barb. Easy, slow down. Anyways, I promised Jordan we'd mention Hyperdent 1000 times.
A thousand.
A thousand. Hyperdent.
That's five.
Hey, it all a heads up, man. We're getting there. So if you're coming to LabFest, come hang out with us. We'll be chilling with the best HyperDent crew, grabbing guests, talking shop, and eating way, way too many beignets.
Yeah. Are you ready to host Lab Family Feud?
I've been shopping for outfits for a couple weeks now.
I know you have, but please don't.
It's too late, Barb. It's already sequenced. It's ready to go.
Of course. I knew you wouldn't disappoint, but what should everybody check out while they're there?
Well, don't forget, Roland DGA will be there too. They're running a CAM trade-in special.
Oh, so I can finally retire that old mill in the corner of mine.
No, Slow down. Keep the mill. Trade in your old CAM software instead.
And let me guess, for Hyperdun.
Aha, we've said it seven times. It will unlock the true potential of that Roland mill, new or old. You'll see better milling quality, faster milling times, and with the Elevit denture solutions, it'll mill Ivotion dentures too.
Now that's a trade-in that I can get behind. And although I guess it's too late, we're already using it at my lab.
Good call.
Registration's open now at NOLA Lab. Fest.com and spots are limited.
Hyperdent.
Eight.
992 to go. Let's do it. Hyperdent. Hyperdent. Hyperdent. Hyperdent.
Thank you, Hyperdent.
Hyperdent. Hyperdent. Welcome to Voices from the Bench, a dental laboratory podcast. Send us an e-mail at info at voicesfromthebench.com and follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Greetings and welcome to episode 445 of Voices from the Bench. My name is Elvis.
My name's Barbara.
What's happening, Barb? How are you?
Saturday.
Yes, it is.
All good. How about you?
Yeah. Well, I'm enjoying my Saturday because last Saturday I was traveling to Texas for that race for the future.
And it was amazing.
It was amazing. What a great trip. I mean, the board meeting, I'm on the foundation board. We had some really good ideas this time. People were just flowing, just the conversation was good. Yeah, yeah. Then we went to Billy Bob's, which I found out is the largest ***** tonk in the world.
I think I saw that you bought a hat.
Well, Megan Nakanishi, I hope I said that right. She bought me a hat and I think the plan was to have me to run in the hat. And then by the time the race came, it was way too windy. I'd have to spend the half the time with my hands on my head. Yeah. So I was like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I sure appreciate it that she got me that. But you know, it wasn't a huge race, but I'm pretty proud I came in first place.
One out of one. That's fantastic.
Graded second place was a guy that dribbled a basketball the whole time, but we're going to forget that. I mean.
First place is first place. Well done.
Yeah, absolutely. And I know I talked a lot about having to go to the airport dirty because logistically, we had to take a bus right to the airport. I just want to give a shout out to Denise at Exocad. She's in American Airlines and she got me into their little, what's it called? The little Bassador Club. They have showers in there.
Denise, bomb diggity, I love her.
Yeah, just a super shout out to her. That was so nice of her because I guess she's allowed to bring a guest and she chose. Yes, and it was so awkward and great at the same time to showered at an airport.
Good for you.
And also I need to say thank you to everyone that donated. I did reach my goal at the last minute of $1,000 and collectively, I believe we raised over $88,000. I bet you did. Yeah, so all good all around. Thanks to everybody.
Nice. So everybody, it's October number one, breast cancer month. But #2, it means NOLA Lab Fest is this month. Oh wait, it's like next week.
It's like next week, yeah.
You can't possibly still be undecided, buddy, if you are. head over to nolalabfest.com. For those that are going, please, come see Elvis and I at the HyperDent booth. Thank you to HyperDent as well.
Absolutely. We want to talk to as many people as we can. It seems like it's been ages since we've talked to people live.
Three full episodes live. Yeah.
Let's do it. For sure. So this week we're talking with someone who seems to have his hands in just about everything happening in digital dentistry. Milos Mandolov. I'm sure I said it wrong, but we get it right in the interview. He joins us to talk about his journey from Romania to starting all over in the United States and how a career that started almost by accident turned into a deep dive into digital dentistry, photography, veneers, using AI, and some seriously creative ways of doing things in the dental lab. Milos has been an early adopter of technology for years, and he's not exactly the kind of guy who sees a new piece of technology and things probably not for me. If anything, he wants to know what it can do, how he can make it better, and how he uses it to change the way we work. I mean, we're talking photography, virtual patients, print and press veneers, AI marketing, zirconia, and even tattoos for tooth teeth. We cover a lot. So join us as we chat with Milos Mandalov.
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Miladinov. It's easy.
What is it?
Miladinov.
Miladinov.
Yeah.
Miladinov.
Yeah, that's why first one it's easier. Milos. Milos. Milos.
Yeah, that's- Is it Milos? I thought it was Milos.
It's Milos, actually, but people pronounce it here. So I was like, okay, let's find something else.
Milos Magladov.
Yeah.
All right. That's my intro. Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
Good morning. Thank you for inviting me.
Absolutely. I love the fact that this podcast will bring to us people that It's like when you reached out to say, hey, are you interested? I'm like, let's see who this guy is. Holy smokes, you're everywhere. I had no idea.
I'm trying my best. I mean, I just moved to US in the last two and a half years and I had to figure out how to start from zero here because I thought I'm coming as a famous guy from Europe.
Wow.
Actually that turned to be exactly opposite. Nobody know about me here that much. I mean, I've been lecturing last 12 years in the US all over, but for ACD, FACD, usually for dentists and doing courses for them. Sure. But my exposure was like really small. So I had to find ways to get more exposure here and to start the business from scratch and to survive the jungle, especially for Florida.
Yeah, you opened up in a big market in Miami though. I mean, it's gonna be hard to start.
Nobody told me it's gonna be that hard over here and the prices are so cheap. Everybody's playing with the prices here, like brace to the bottom, how do you call that?
Yeah. Well, this is interesting. So this podcast, we love to start how people got into the industry. So let's hear your story, man. How did you find out about teeth?
Yeah, by mistake.
I love it when people find out about mistakes.
Yeah, my dad was an assistant in a hospital and he wanted me to be better than he was, like every dad, of course, like I want for my son too.
Sure.
And he said, you have to go to medicine to be surgeon. And I was like, I'm not sure. And he paid for me classes to go for this school and everything. And then I failed the exam on purpose on the day that the exam was, I didn't wanna go into that school. And he was a little bit disappointed, but I said, okay, let me ask you different, where the money comes from? Because as a surgeon, you have to do 10 years school and then work another 10 years till you start making some money. So I'm not gonna wait on that. And he said, okay, you have two options and here you can edit or whatever. One is from the mouth and the other one is from the. So either you become a dentist, either you become a gynecologist. I thought that's what you said, but I wasn't.
Me too, but I wasn't.
And then I said, okay, the mouth's not really sure because people don't have good hygiene. It smells bad and you have to deal with a lot of crazy people. So I was like, I'm going to pass on that. And then from the, if you have too much, you become a gay. So I said, no, I'm not going to do that.
So then you still didn't know what you were going to do.
And then a lady friend, I mean the mom of my friend, she asked me, Milos, what do you like to do? And I was like, oh, I do sculptures, painting, I like to do artist stuff. but I cannot make a living out of that. She said, no, but look, this is something really interesting because you could go where my son is at school and he's doing something else, but they have dental technician school there and that's also like sculptures and stuff. So you can try it and see if it works for you. And I went there and it was love at first sight. So that's how I ended up working as a dental technician. That's my story.
So what was the school? Was it like a uni, I think they call it?
After we finished the high school in Romania, we go to university.
Oh, this is Romania.
In Romania, it was.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, and it was at university, three years college. So basically we got a diploma as a specialized dental technician, which is equivalent of CDT here.
Oh, okay. Yeah. That makes sense.
Yeah.
So you took to everything? Were you into removable and fixed?
Yeah, we did in the beginning everything, but later we quit doing many things, like stop doing metal, like almost 20 years ago, stopped doing dentures. We were maybe one of the first full digital labs in the world, one of the first three, four in the Europe. In 2017, I lost all my doctors because I told them I'm not getting any more a single classic impression with PBS or whatever.
Oh, wow.
It was digital. And they said, you are crazy. Who the hell is going to use digital impressions? And I was one of the first advocates of Medit and KOL for the digital dentistry. I was using the first prototype of face scanning at that time, wrote the first articles in the Dental Dialogue Journal about the first virtual patient that we did in Europe, maybe one of the first in the world at that time, where we integrated the face scanning, internal scanning and CBCT together in one file and had the first virtual patient. I was in love with that digital stuff.
Interesting.
Yeah, and I was the first one to use the touch screen for doing exocut designs and stuff because I thought there's a big potential over there. I got a touchscreen tablet at that time. So I was like really, really advanced at that time. And then because I had a lot of passion for what I do, I also started to develop the workflow that people are using today. Even Ed McLaren called me one day and asked me, dude, how did you do that? And also Pascal Manier. And if you look in the Pascal Manier's book, you will find in the second chapter my name over there. I developed first first veneers on the digital impressions. So basically I scanned the patient, I did a virtual 3D model, I printed it with the removable dyes, I duplicated removable dyes and I did veneers on it. Everything on digital impressions. So it was the first case of its kind and published in 2018. And then because I like to do veneers, I did the print and press workflow. So basically we know the limitation of a milling machine. So I said, What the hell, printers are much better, much more accurate, much faster. So we can print those with burnout resin and then press them. So I developed the protocol and nowadays everybody's using it. It's much cheaper, much faster. You can print and press 100 veneers a day easy.
So talk about that a little bit. So how did you develop that? Do you have like a certain thickness that you can go to when you're using that technique?
0.2.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, you can go up to 0.2 millimeters, even thinner, but it's risky, but 0.2, 0.3, it's safe to print and press. And I had my industry on my back, let's say the 3D printing companies, the resin companies, digital dentistry, internal companies. So everybody was backing me up with equipments and stuff because they knew that I'm the crazy guy from Romania that likes technology and gadgets.
Yeah.
And I got all the possible toys. Even here in US, I'm really spoiled. I'm getting all the toys here from all the companies to test them, to try them. That's why I also opened a study club, Miami Digital Dentistry Study Club recently. And on my news page over there, I'm having all the new things that are coming out. For example, and this is the first time that you will hear about it, and nobody did that before, I will be the first one to show in the world actually. the tattoos for the teeth. So basically this is like digital enamel transfer. You have a monolithic zirconia crown, like a central or a lateral, and you want to have mamelones and hollow effect and everything. You just apply a tattoo and you bake it in the normal oven. And when it comes out, it looks absolutely fabulous, like you layered it. So it's a 3D sticker somehow. It's developed in California by a good friend of mine, technician Sidditi Hamid. And we are launching it officially, and I will be showing it also in Chicago Lab Days. I will be lecturing again there.
Well, if you say it's a tattoo, is it a glass?
Yeah, it's like a foil. It's like a foil, very thin, that you apply on monolithic zirconia before glazing or even after you glaze it, whatever, and you bake it. And after it comes out, It stays there, the hollow and the mamelons and everything. So it looks like it's layered, but it's not. And it saves a lot of time. Like it's crazy beautiful, yeah.
What does it look like in the mouth? You're an amazing photographer. Have you photographed any of those?
Working on it, working on it, preparing it for Chicago because it's really a new product and we are still gathering some clinical cases, but it looks really beautiful.
So we're getting a sneak peek from Chicago. That's pretty awesome.
Yeah. I'm having on my Toothpick website, toothpick.ai. You can find in the study club section, in the news section, it's going to be the first article over there. The website is still under construction, but you can have a minimum of information over there.
Awesome.
So you left off, you were still in school. Obviously you didn't do this while you were in school.
Of course. Yeah.
You left and where'd you go? Did you open a lab?
Yeah, after I finished the school, I worked for my godfather for one or two years. And then in 2003, because my wife insisted we open the lab, I didn't want, I was doing good at work, but she said, let's open ours. We met in school in 2010.
So she's a dental technician too?
Yeah, we met in school in 2010.
That's adorable.
We married and then we opened our lab. Yeah, we had 26 years already together.
Wow, so what was the name of the lab? This was in Romania, right?
Yeah, Dental Tech.
Dental Tech, I love it. And that's the one you went straight digital and didn't-- No, no, no.
You have all the steps from casting metal and everything and we started really like in the bedroom of my mom and in the living room. You don't wanna know. And then, yes, step by step we evolved, but it was kind of, let's say, grinding in the beginning and the first 10 years were like so and so and I got bored and I said I should spice it up a little bit, how I can make it more interesting. So I started to do dental photography in 2012 and doing free workshops in my city and people start coming and everybody was like, wow, this is really good. And then I got my first international course in October 2013 in Spain. And that's how everything started. And then I start combining dental photography with digital dentistry. The digital was coming strong and I was one of the early adopters of it and I enjoyed it. And that's how I got here. And everybody was seeing my lectures and courses all over the US and in the world and they said, Milos, we need you here in US. And I got so many people like, Milos we really need you here come move in the US we're going to send you so much work and of course I I took the bait and I came here and all these great people that promise so much I don't know where they are find them even this day.
Most of them they just disappeared.
Yeah they let's say they they just talk to hear them talking they want to sound nice yeah but in reality I learned that uh Here, everybody's almost, almost everybody's like that and very polite, very nice smiling. And then when you turn your back, they even forget who you are.
So these were dentists saying, come, we'll send you work. Yes.
All that I shared the stage with, speakers, famous people in the US. Let's say they have huge offices, practices that they could have helped me when I came here. Instead, I had to start from absolutely zero from scratch, like nobody knows me. And it was a tough thing, but the thing is that when you come to US as a foreigner, the US humbles you first and put you on your knees and you learned your lessons, which is good. It's a life lesson. And it helped me in my journey. And I learned also how to develop new skills here because before I was doing dental photography, but just for fun, here I learned how to do it for the marketing purposes, how to increase let's say my followers, how to do a smart way, marketing, how to get a lot of views on my websites, how to combine it with AI. And actually yesterday, I even did my first app using AI.
Yeah, I saw that on Facebook.
I woke up in the morning, I went in the bathroom, and I stay usually like 20, 30 minutes showering and stuff. While on the toilet, I was like, I'm gonna do an app today. And I went And I did an app. And in the midnight, around 11:00 PM last night, it was done. Imagine that. And I worked only maybe two hours all day on it because I had also work to do.
How do you create an app?
You just go to ChatGPT and you say, Hey, I need an app. What app? An app for, I don't know, soap, I don't know, something. You just come with something and he's gonna create an app for you from scratch, zero.
Wow.
So I did an app. I, of course, I had to polish it and to give my text and ideas and pictures, so I could customize it. But I learned that. Then I learned how to optimize SEO and GEO of my website. Basically, how everybody can find me. Now, if you go to ChatGPT and you give me the best lab in South Florida, I will be either first or second option already in less than a month. So if our colleagues from dental labs want to learn how to do that, I'm offering coaching one to one about that, how in less than a month or two, you can become the preferred or #1 dental lab in your area. Also, I learned how to increase and to make audit. Sorry for the SEO, GEO and GBP. This is how AI can find you. AI is free. So basically you don't have to pay Google ads anymore. And I like to find interesting ways to skip paying money. So I'm very inventive on that.
That's an interesting point, you know, with AI and overriding Google paid ads, you're right. I mean, it just--.
It's a smart way to do, let's say, to get a good name out there without paying a dime. But you need to know how to do these things. And that's why I started now this thing with coaching on that. And I teach colleagues how to build their own website, how to not rent their dental marketing, how to own it. Basically, in one day, I teach them how to do everything from scratch, dental photography, how to do AI optimization and audit for their website and their social media, how to improve everything and how to become viral or how to become an authority in dental industry because that's what AI is looking for. If you become an authority, if you are famous, if you become famous in that, AI will adjust provide your information to everyone who's looking for anything that related to what you do. Wow.
And you're doing this for labs or offices?
For labs and offices, but mostly, yeah.
How did you know you wanted to move to the US? Like, that's a huge endeavor for somebody. Why the US and why did you move here and why Miami?
Empty promises.
That was the first thing, yeah. Everybody's showing off like, oh, I make so much money. Look how much I made. When you're European, You come here, they try to impress you. And they impressed me, of course. And they said, I have a boat, I have a plane, I have this, I have that. I was like, okay, you're doing good. You're really good. I want some of that cake too. And I was doing really good. I was king of the hill back in Romania, huge building, three floors, I don't know, 8,000 square feet, elevators and stuff. Doing really good, starting to build a small business hotel over there, a boutique hotel downtown. And then I said, maybe I want a little bit different stuff in my life. And I did a push also because the war was knocking on the door over there. We are neighbors with Ukraine and Russia. And I said, I don't want my son to be here when that hits the fan. And also economy went down after the pandemic. So we had to find another way of making money. The courses went down because I couldn't travel. Before I was traveling like 140,000 miles a year, like every weekend I was on a flight to go to Japan, to Middle East, to name it, everywhere I was traveling doing courses. I was booked for one year and a half in advance. And then pandemic came and everything shut down, so I couldn't do money anymore.
Wow.
And then I decided, okay, let's do something and what I like. I like sun, I like heat, I like water. So Miami has it all. It was my first location in US when I did the course with Javier Vasquez 12 years ago or 11 years ago. So I said, wow, that's the place I would like to be when I grow up.
When I grow up.
Yeah. And I came here. I like fishing. I like boats. I like riding motorcycle. I never had a motorcycle in my life, but I got my first one here. I got my license here and I love it every second.
Yeah.
Nice.
So I'm enjoying here. You know, I like everything is green all the day. It's not dark and gray like in autumn or winter in Romania. Every time I wake up here, it's hot, so I like that.
You don't like seasons?
No, I don't like seasons. I like only summer. I was born in summer. I'm A Leo.
Yeah, well, I live in Tampa, so I'm in Florida as well. So that's probably why you chose Miami, because Miami's pretty amazing.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not Miami, Miami. I don't like Miami. It's too crowded, too touristic, too crazy people over there. It's too dynamic for me. Let's say I'm in Boca, which is more chill, more calm. Yeah, I like it here and it's cleaner. It's nicer people. Yeah.
I want to talk about your photography. I mean, were you into photography before Teeth or?
No.
I mean, like most people's like, hey, I like taking pictures, but I don't know how to do it.
I started in 2012 because I went to a Congress where a guy was lecturing on the stage in front of 1,300 people. And he was showing us four amazing cases with good photography, really nice photography. But the story behind those photos was absolutely fabulous. And that lecture of that guy, which is maybe one of the top five dental technicians in Europe, Oliver Briggs from Ivoclar.
Oh yeah, I know him.
He's a very good friend and very close friend of mine. And actually he became later my student and I teach him dental photography, though he inspired tens of thousands of people worldwide. His lecture was so inspiring that next day I went home, I throw in the trash everything I didn't like. I stopped doing everything I don't like in my lab. And I said, from today, I'm going to focus only on what I like, aesthetic dentistry, veneers, and smile makeovers. And I'm going to do photography so I can impress other people like he did with us. I buy the cheapest camera that money can buy. The fact that I realized in his lecture that we don't do teeth, we do much more than that. We restore people confidence, we restore people lives. We give them power to move forward and change their lives. So basically we don't do teeth at all. And I realized that and from doing 30, 40 crowns a day, I went to doing maybe 6 to 10 a day or in two days and focus on each smile individually like I would do it for my mama. So that's how it changed my life completely, photography and his lecture. And I have written two books since then. And one of them, the last one, the biggest one is dedicated entirely to Oliver Briggs because he's the guy that changed my life. And it's his picture in my book in the beginning and dedication for him. Yeah, that's how I started. And then dental photography teach me to be a better dental technician because before starting photography, I thought I'm very good. Actually, I realized that I'm one of the worst and my work is extremely miserable and really low quality and that I have to improve a lot.
Well, why? Hold on. What did photography show you? Like the details and the texture and the layering.
That you didn't see? Yeah, it's one thing when you hold the restoration in the hand and it's another thing when you put it on a huge screen in front of you and you realize How bad the line angles are how each tooth is different Angle and orientation and axis so basically I had to learn a lot for my own from my own photos from my own work And I learned how to improve it better from going to courses better from going to any kind of lecture and stuff Because I could see the mistake in front of me huge So that's what.
So you went back to school?
Basically, basically I was learning every day from photography, yeah. Wow. And then of course I said, okay, maybe I'm not that smart, maybe I'm not that good, maybe I should try going to some courses. And then a very good friend of mine, Florin Stoboran, maybe he's the best dental technician in East Europe. He knows how to teach about anatomy, function, occlusion, morphology, everything in wax, everything in layered porcelain, everything with texture. He's like, let's say, the god of that in East Europe. Everybody should know him or everybody should attend his course once in a lifetime. Even if you are digital technician, even more, if you're a digital technician, you should attend a course like that. I'm trying to bring him here in US for first course. He's very expensive, and dental technicians nowadays don't pay that much for the courses, but his courses are life-changing.
What was his name?
Florin Stoborano.
How's his English? We should get him on the podcast.
His English is not that good, but it's extremely funny. And the guy is like, you can laugh with him from more. I love it. He's a really, really nice guy. He's a really good friend of mine too.
So did he teach putting all of the features like in wax?
Yes. Everything manually, handmade so you can understand morphology, function, occlusion, anatomy, everything, every line angle, every texture, why it has to be there for light reflection, for light absorption. He's explaining every single piece of the tooth. He's discomposing him in many pieces and he's telling you why the cervical has to be like that, why incisal has to be like that. why every faucet, why every cusp has to be where it is and why it has to occlude there. So he's absolutely fabulous.
Wow.
Yeah, and we don't have this kind of teachers here in the US, I know for sure. There are one very good in Germany and then one very good in Hungary, Mako Janos. He's one of the guys that I was bringing in my training center back in Romania to do every year at least two courses. then Florine doing at least one or two courses. So these guys are like really into it, like really breathing function, occlusion, morphology and anatomy.
So it sounds like that's what you're bringing now to the US.
I'm trying to bring them here to do courses and classes, yeah. But first I have to establish myself. I'm still with my feet deep under the water. I'm still not with my head out of the water, let's say. Since I moved here and this thing starting from zero took Much longer than I was expecting, but finally now I'm starting to move a little bit left and right, and as soon as I'm. getting my green card, which by the way, I'm applying in two weeks for special skills.
Congratulations.
Thank you. Hopefully I will get accepted for my skills, for digital dentistry skills, for my career, for dental photography, for speaking 7 languages and being an educator and stuff. So all these things, I hope they matter and I will get it as soon as possible.
Yeah, that's awesome. You've taught a lot of photography classes, right?
Yeah.
What are some common things that technicians are coming to you? Like what do you see the biggest like mistakes, I guess, other than just me using my iPhone for everything.
Yeah, people are using the iPhone a lot and then the results are not as good as they want. That's why I developed the Smiley Go, which is a tool that has a light at 45. more or less 45 degrees to reduce the reflections on the surface of the shiny objects when you shoot on them. Oh, what is that?
What is that? A light.
It's a light that you attach to your phone. It's called Smiley Go. And you can find it on toothpick.ai on my website. And it's a useful tool that helps dentists and technicians to take better photos and videos, but also you can use it for face scanning because providing a better light, you get the better quality of the face scan. If you have your iPhone Pro Max or a Pro, they have a leader sensor so you can do face scans with the phone. Yeah, so you can integrate it into your digital workflow. So I created this Smiley Go for multiple purposes. You can use it for the podcast, webinars, you can attach your microphones onto it. It's A multitask unit, let's say. but to come back to the question, people don't really take photography, dental guys, because they are afraid of it or they think, the results will not be as good or they see how their work is and they quit after two, three times and they say, forget it, I'm not going to show how bad my work is. So they are afraid of it. But depends. If you understand that photography is your teacher and photography can do good for you and you keep pushing, you are going to get really in a good position, good spot. There are tips and tricks how to get really good photos in dental laboratory on black background, on white background. You can shoot white on white. It's really easy. You just have to figure out the angles, the distances, the light, the power, the settings. But other than that, it's not that difficult. Right now, I simplified everything. So whoever joins my workshops can learn how to do really good dental photography. I even announced a workshop for dental photography for dental technicians, for dental labs. Last year, we had like 0 signups.
What?
I was going to say, where do you find information to go to your courses?
Yeah, only on my social media and on my website. But hopefully from now on, they will find it much easier because I start using aggressively AI to increase my exposure on social media and on websites. So people searching for any kind of dental photography course, they will find me no matter where. And hopefully that will help me get more exposure to the dental lab guys in the US. I wanted to do a workshop. It didn't work out, so I had to cancel it. Yeah.
I think it's smart for dental labs to get into photography, even if you're just sharing a picture to an office to get like approval or shay or whatever. Why not send the best?
Yeah, I was wondering, maybe I don't have enough exposure yet in the US. People from Europe were messaging me, hey, why are you doing that in Europe? But I said, like, I'm not moving anymore. I moved. I moved already, yeah.
So for a dental technician to come to your course, do you recommend they have a certain camera?
Yes.
That they have to bring along? So like, talk about that. What do you recommend?
Yeah, so I have all the recommendations on my website, but I can also tell you that I'm a big fan of Nikon. I recommend Nikon Z72 or Nikon These are my favorite cameras for dental photography. And of course, with Nikkor 105 millimeter macro lens. So this is the ideal combo. You need just this body, this lens to take all the photography and dentistry. So not only dental lab photography, but also portraits, close-ups, anything. You name it, you can do with this camera. You don't need to change the lens. You don't need to change the body. This is my to go to camera. And then of course, if you don't want to use that, you can use the cell phone. There are some tips and tricks how to use it. I am explaining them in my new launched app in the chapter 10, how to use smartphone dental photography. There are some tips and tricks over there and the light you need to achieve really better results than before.
I would think that a lot of technicians only have an iPhone. So I think chapter 10 is where I'm going to go.
That's pretty hard. That can be really, really helpful and just have to figure out the angles, the distances, which I mentioned over there in the app and should be easy. Yeah.
But I mean, be honest. I mean, if you spend the money on a camera and I imagine these things are probably a couple $1,000, is it going to be better than an iPhone no matter what? No matter how tricky you get with an iPhone.
Way much better than an iPhone. The thing is with an iPhone, you take a picture and that's it. You have to post it on social media and it looks how it looks. But with DSLR, with a professional mirrorless camera, for example, you can zoom in, you can crop the picture, you can crop the hell out of it. You can do 10 times crop, 15 times crop, and you can still... look at the picture and say, wow, this is an amazing detail. It's super sharp. With the phone, it's not going to work that.
Because every time you crop it, it gets a little grainier, right?
Yes, because of the sensor of the phone. The sensor of the phone is like super tiny compared to a full-frame sensor on the camera. So that's the reason why with the professional cameras, you can crop any detail you want and show it and it looks like wow. But with the phone, it gets grainy. You see the noise, you see the pixels, whatever it's called, and it looks really, really bad.
I would love to see some pictures with the exact same lighting, the exact same distance, exact same angle between a nice camera and an iPhone and really see those differences. I think that would be fascinating.
Yeah. I mean, you can do it with the iPhone. You can do some really, really crazy. Oh, sure.
Yeah.
But you need to do too many combinations. You need to add a macro lens to your phone like an adapter. And then you need to use it with these lights and then you need to find the crazy angles. that will give you that. And that's so much time wasted that you cannot imagine. And we don't have time to waste. So basically, I'm trying, I'm a very practical guy. I don't like to show BS photography and to show off or stuff. I like to show them very practical. You see it, you do it now and immediately, like not going to take forever. So that's why I simplify the dental photography workflow, especially for dentists. because they were spending a lot of time on doing photography for a patient, befores and afters, and especially for social media. And now they can do it in a few minutes, everything from scratch, just by knowing my settings, angles, and light setup. So I'm trying to do the same for every single type of dental photography.
If you have a Canon and not an Icon, is it similar where you can cross over?
Yeah, settings and everything? Though with the Canon, you have one of the settings for the close-up photography for dentists. When you do the white background, you cannot use ISO 100 for that particular shot. You have to increase it to 200. In Nikon, you have all the settings all the time the same, exactly the same, but in Canon, you have to change the setting once when you do this close-up. So it's not a big difference. That's why I like Nikon, it's more user-friendly. You don't have to touch the buttons on the camera, just the F number and you shoot the type of photography you want.
That sounds like equipment for me, man. Set and go.
Yeah, the way I simplified it, it's like that. You don't need to know anything about the camera, about the settings, about the buttons. You set it up one time with me over the phone, video, Zoom call, whatever you want to call it. And then you just keep shooting, changing the F number according to the type of photography you want to take. And that's why I created this app. And the cheat sheet, how you can take these photos, it's everything in the app, it's everything for free.
Wow, that's awesome, and all you have to do is find the app, download it, and.
It's an app that it's a cloud app, it's on the web, so basically you have to go to my website on the news over there in the new menu. and you will see shoot like a pro app. And you just click there, you give me your e-mail, and you have the app. You just save that link, and that's all. You can share it with friends.
Wow. It's geared towards dental lab, because I mean, a lot of our listeners are not going to be, I mean, some will, and I would, but patient photos are one thing, but just in the lab setting, I think, is what most of our listeners are interested in.
Yeah, so basically, for dental lab photography, you will need just a few things beside the twin flashes and the professional camera, that is not that expensive anymore. When I got my Z7 II, I paid over $4,500. Right now, the same camera, it's around $2,500 with the lens included. That's not too bad. Prices went down really a lot and the camera is like really wow. Yeah, so everybody can afford it. It's not that much, especially here in US, you have those options with Klarna and stuff that you can pay monthly. I learned about that too. You need just some acrylic tables, black acrylic table for black background and white acrylic table for white background pictures. And that's pretty much it.
What about a photo box? Those things that set up with all the walls.
I was just thinking that.
I used to have one on my web store before when I was in Romania. And I discontinued here because I didn't find somebody to produce it for me right now. So I have my own design, my own box. But you can use the standard ones that you can find on B&H or Amazon. They work fine. The Chinese boxes, they are not bad. If you have flashes and you combine with these boxes, they are good. You can standardize the protocol of taking photography. So every time you take photos, they will be always the same. Me, on the other hand, I like to use the studio lights because with the studio lights, you can get the best quality of your images. And more than that, you can get different results every time and you can be more creative, more artistic. Artistic, and you can create nicer content for social media, so it depends what you want. If you are an educator and you need a standardized workflow, standardized photography, and you teach and you document everything, yeah, then it's better to have a box, but if you are like me, an artistic. dental technician, let's say, and you go and you lecture on stage and you want to show people the power of photography, then I would definitely use the studio lights and create really amazing original content every time.
Have you ever photographed one of your cases and then been like, damn, I got to go back and work on that?
Every time. Even if it's the deadline and I have to send the case, I would still keep it a day to finish something. But yeah, it's like that. Once you start doing this.
So it catch your eye.
Yeah, with photography, you are always going to be unhappy. I know.
I was going to say.
What, do you call your offices, say, I need a couple more days? They're like, man, did you take a picture of it again? Yeah, I got to fix it. You keep mentioning twin lights. Why not ring lights? I see those everywhere.
Never.
Never. Okay. Why?
Ring flashes are usually you shoot from the front. The light is perpendicular on the subject and it has a lot of reflections. So basically, if you are doing Mamelon's hollow effects, translucency or Paul effect and everything, you will not see anything out of it because you will destroy it with the reflections of the flash. Flash comes from the frontal position and The light is not supposed to come from the front. It's supposed to come from the sides, from 45 degrees, so you can minimize the reflection. So basically that's why it's recommended to have a twin flash all the time. But if you are using a twin flash on the own support that comes in the box, or ideally it would be to use it with a bracket. Yeah, I will soon release the version two of my bracket. I used to have a... bracket in Europe in my shop. I discontinued that too, and now I'm trying to build my own here in the US, the new version that is going to be lighter, it's going to be more practical, and you can attach it to any professional camera and you can use it with the twin flashes. That one keeps lights away from the lens, like maybe I don't know, in feet or inches, maybe 10 inches away from the lens.
Oh, wow.
And that means that the light comes from the side from 45 degrees. Wow.
So the light at your bench, does it come at 45 degrees from both sides?
No, it comes from my BiLumix loops.
Interesting.
Oh, you've got loops with lights, okay.
Yeah, but one light is up and the other one is down, so it doesn't create shadows, so it's really good. the best light that I found ever to do and use in the lab. I did use many, but this one I couldn't live without it. It's the one that surgeons use by Lumix. You can attach glasses on it or you can attach loops. I don't like the loops like 2.5 or 3.5. I'm using 1.5 like glasses that come on top of your glasses. So basically you get a nice magnification with amazing light. I can send you a website. I think it's biolumix.com or something, but they are absolutely fabulous.
And you only use 1.5 magnification.
Yes, on top of my glasses that are another 1.5. So I'm- Oh, okay.
I was like, geez, I start at three and I still can't see anything.
No, I started using glasses like one year and a half ago and I'm devastated, but it's life.
I guess it's- Yeah, no, it's called getting old.
So I got to ask, you said you met your wife. Is she in the laboratory with you at this point?
Yeah, she's just behind me, telling me not to talk dirty.
So you guys are working together, so she's.
Yeah, but she has her own cage. It's behind me, it's a room made of glass, and she's doing the glaze there. And yeah, it's a dust-free room, let's say. Wow.
Is it soundproof? No, I'm just kidding.
She can't hear the **** I'm saying.
Is it just you two?
Yeah, it's two of us. No, just two of us. It's the smallest boutique lab ever. I don't know. Yeah, we used to have employees back in Romania. We used to have like even 11 at some point. But here it's complicated, let's say, to have employees, especially in Florida jungle business environment. Here it's... Everybody is doing the race to the bottom, lowering prices, and then it's kind of hard to have employment.
Talk about that a little bit. You live in Boca, so you've got a pretty decent clientele around there. How have you gotten US clients?
Yeah, by lecturing at study clubs, by lecturing at some events, and by recommendation most of the time. We got three Romanian dentists that are sending us work. They were the most helpful, let's say. Without them, I would be a long time back home already. And I have to thank them for that. And then since I'm half Romanian, half Serbian, I went also to my Serbian community, but I got just a rejection from them. So from three Serbian dentists, none of them sent us a case. And then I realized that, okay, Romanians are much more cooler than Serbians from this point of view.
Yeah. I'll say.
Yeah, I'll say, yeah. The Romanian were like immediately, okay, we are gonna help you. I know how it's to be in the beginning here. The Serbian like, no, we are gonna send the cases to our labs that we used to work with because they are cheaper. Okay, so that works. I could do cheaper too if you need it, but just say it. Instead, they choose not to speak.
Gotcha.
Gotcha. So are you doing the diagnostics? So they send you the files and you do the diagnostics for the doctors.
Yes, they send the files here. We do a smile design mockup. We print the model, we make a silicon key, we send them back, and they do the trying. If everything is good, they start prepping and doing the final impression. Yeah.
And most of your stuff, is it minimal prep or do you do basically everything?
And you're only digital now, right?
Yeah, we just get the digital scans and everything is milled, printed. And then I do small cutbacks and I do micro layering because I'm a ceramist. I like layering.
Yeah.
So most of the time I like to customize, especially in the anterior area. Yeah.
What ceramics do you use?
I was just gonna say, I was.
Just gonna say that. I got my new favorite now. I'm impressed. actually, by how it looks, is the new Milai from Noritake. Yeah. And I got the porcelain, and I was like, wow, this is my new baby. I mean, you can use it on zirconia, you can use it on emacs, on press, desilicate. You can use it on anything. Same firing protocol, same temperature, same everything. So basically, I don't have to worry if I have a bridge of three units in the front with zirconia and then single crown next to it with emacs pressed. I can layer the porcelain in the same time and bake it in the same time.
Oh. Amazing. What is that again?
Milai.
Milai. I don't think we know. I know, it's your name.
Yeah, Milos is using Milai, I know.
Yeah, I like that.
Yeah, I'm gonna be lecturing about, I'm gonna lecture for Noritake and for Milai, I'm gonna show dentists actually how to use their stain and micro layering kit. for those that have in-house labs. Yeah.
Well, that's pretty smart.
Yeah, that's where the industry is going to. So I mean, I let them do that because you know why? somebody has to do it at the end of the day, and they will figure it out if that's something that is good for them or not, because most of them fail. Like most of the dental in-house labs are failing miserably. They just buy the equipment, they spend a lot of money on that, and then they realize that not that is the problem. Everybody can buy equipment and have the software and stuff, but it's the people that work on it. So that's how they fail most of them. They don't have dental technicians, they don't train, they train somebody who's cleaning the office or a dental assistant, and they don't make it. 90% of them are failing in that.
Do you find that there's a fair amount of dentists that have in-office tax now?
Most of them. Here in Florida, it's so many. I mean, really a lot.
It's growing here in Indiana too.
Imagine in Romania, I was doing zirconia with 120 euros. That's about $150, monolithic. And here in Florida, I'm doing it with $120, $125. It's cheaper than in Romania. And Romania, it's East Europe, poor country, you name it. And here, where it's all the money in the world, people are going cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. So you cannot sell, even if it's a good product, you cannot sell it for more. Not in Florida at least. Maybe in other parts of the country is different, but here in Florida, it's really bad.
I don't think I could get that much for zirconia up here in Indiana.
I don't know how much is there, but here a monolithic multilayer zirconia, it's 120, 100.
Someone came up with this $99, $100 crown and it's going to become like a level. You're a little above it, a little below it, or right on it.
I'm getting the cases from those labs that they sent to the dentist and dentist sent to me and say, look what I got, can you do another one, please? And I'm redoing them, so it's fine. We need to have those two. We have here people that sell it with 60, so it's fine.
Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. You had mentioned the FACD. Did you lecture for them?
Yeah, back in 2020 or 2019, I lectured for the FACD with Nazari. I was with him on the stage. We were doing. some lectures together. Thomas Doan was the president at that time.
Yeah, I saw Thomas Doan commented on your website. He's a good friend of mine. I was involved in the FACD as well. So yeah, that's excellent way to meet really great clients.
Yeah.
Here in Florida, for sure.
And I met over there, Justin McElroy and others. Really nice people.
Yep. Awesome.
Yeah. You mentioned Chicago. You already lined up? Are you going to be teaching photography in a lab in Chicago? Because I think that'd be hot topic.
Yeah, I will be going there lecturing for Apsera and my topic will be dental photography. AI and NML transfer, digital NML transfer. So they're basically the tattoos that I was telling you about, how to photograph this teeth.
And this is up Sarah, that's cool.
Sarah, yeah, I'm KL for them. Yeah, that's my favorite #1 to go to right now because it has amazing look after the sintering, it looks really wow. And the good thing is I can use now the new sinter furnace for all on X cases, for example. We don't need the sintering support anymore?
Yeah.
So basically you can sinter the entire arch or you can mill 2 arches in a disk and you can sinter them in less than three hours, 2 hours and 15 minutes to be more precise. And this new sinter furnace is using the microwave sintering technology. So basically the heat comes from inside to outside and creates 0.00 distortion of the arch. So yeah, so if you put the entire full bridge or all on X or whatever you name it, it's ready in less than three hours plus the cooling, which is another one hour, but less than four hours you get.
And no warping.
We can put 20 zeros after that zero, so zero. 20 zeros, actually.
That's almost impossible. That's amazing.
No, it's 100%. It's different technology, and I was using it two years already. And if you go to the new section on my study club on toothpick.ai, you will see exactly what I'm talking about. It's called Wave Sinter 2, and you have a QR code there. If you scan it, you're going to see. Where you can get it from, so that's the newest find, let's say, in digital dentistry. If you ask me, it helps A lot. Single crowns, if you need it the same day, it sinter them in less than two hours. It's like 2 hours sintering plus cooling another forty-five minutes, so less than three hours you get single crowns. You can sinter like, I don't know, 50 crowns in one go.
Wow. It's unbelievable.
It is unbelievable. I'm looking at it. It's very small. You can only fit like one thing in there.
You can fit 2 arches. Actually, I'm not sure if you can jump on a video call, I can show you. Actually, I have to take out two arches outside from the furnace. So if you want, I can show you.
No, we believe you. I mean, we're a podcast. We like to stay audio, but I just looked at your website. I was like, wow, it looks like a small opening, but yeah.
It's a very small opening. Yeah, but it fits. a lot of crowns. Usually like 30 crowns or two full arches plus a little crowns around it. So yeah. Interesting. But you can do two, three sinterings A day. If you have two, three furnaces, you have industry. Yeah.
They're not expensive.
They're like 9,400 something. So they're cheap, cheap. And they do the job. I'm using it every day, like twice at least.
Oh yeah, for four hours, why not?
What's your design software for your full arches, like your anatomy? Yeah, that's what I saw.
It's for full arches and three shape for single crowns. It's so faster, so much better.
Yeah.
And it has AI feature. So I have some dentists that are using the AI feature. They bought a milling machine and center furnace. And they're using AI from 3Shape. So both are good. Both are good.
Yeah, we love Exocad and 3Shape actually. And when they come out, are you touching them up with a burr before they go to center?
I usually am polishing the zirconia. We have some special rubber wheels, something that it's smoothing the zirconia surface. It's making it shiny. And after it comes out from sintering, it looks wow. So you can do just manual polishing and no glaze if you want.
That's awesome.
They have those things in Annex Dent, I think. It's on their shop.
Another great company.
Yeah, it's a special rubber thing that you can polish the zirconia. I love it. Yeah, I'm a very good friend with Andreas Kopitz, with the owner, and I was supporting him all the time and promoting his products.
How long have you been in the States?
Two and a half years, actually.
And you haven't exploded already? I mean.
No, I was busy surviving from month to month. I was stressing out. I actually went to a bad episode, let's say. It's called depression. I was laughing at the people that have those. And I was like, how the hell do you have depression? Life is so beautiful. And actually, I didn't know what strike me and put me on my knees. And 2 months I was out. And I was on heavy medicine to recover from that. And yeah, that's why I didn't explode. And that's why I was so busy on surviving here. Even though I had everything back home, but I wanted to prove myself I can do it from zero in a different country. And my kids love it here, so I did that for them. My wife's not so happy about it, but she's a sport player, so we are trying to...
She's eyeballing you right now, I bet.
Yeah. But she's getting used to it. I promised her if we don't make it, we are going to go back home.
I think you're going to make it, dude. I just think you just need to find a few people to really take your course, get inspired by and it's gonna spread.
Yeah, regarding that, yesterday I got a very nice book as a gift from Kinta Sense from Eric Kukuchka.
Yeah, we know Eric.
He's the guy that wrote the book about digital dentures and he write a nice... dedication for me in the front of the book because if I wouldn't be, he wouldn't write this book because he learned photography from me and all the photography in the book is dedicated to me because he learned to do this from me.
That's nice.
That's what you dedicated and now you've been dedicated to. That's awesome.
Yeah, This is the second book already I'm getting like this. One of them is from Doctor Eduardo Nikolaevsky, another kintessence published book for surgery, and he took my private course, and then another one Nelson from Brazil, so I don't know, I'm trying to collect them. It's a nice... It's a nice achievement, let's say, yeah.
Do you have any courses planned like that you're gonna go to in the next couple months?
Go to teach, yes. Go to learn, no.
So what are you teaching that's coming up?
So in second or third of October, I have my new course. It's the first time I'm doing it, dental photography and AI. It's basically a course of two days hands-on where the first day you learn dental photography and how to integrate AI into photography, social media and the website and how to create good marketing free without paying ads. And then the second day is going to be a live patient from A to Z where we are going to do smile makeover, intraoral scanning, face scanning, and 3D mock-up printed 3D chairside dentistry. How to print everything in one day, functional mock-up or motivational mock-up, individual veneers that I introduced in 2018, 2017. That was my first article published on individual veneers or Snap-on Smiles, how people are promoting it as a new thing here in US right now. I did that maybe 10 years ago.
That's jam-packed.
Yeah, that's a busy second day.
Yeah, and we're going to do before and after photography, before and after videography out of that case on the second day. Before and after social media content. So it's going to be crazy amount of information and it's going to be extremely intense. Intense, let's say, yeah.
And that's in person in Miami.
Yeah, it's going to be here in Deerfield Beach in Boca. Yeah, going to be two days in my training center. We have two places left for this course. And then the next one will be in 8th and 9th January.
Awesome. And those are for dentists.
Dentists and dental technicians and their teams. So everybody can join.
I would love that first day. I mean, just trying to grow a lab myself, just using photography and social media.
I'm going to explain in depth how you can actually cheat and how you can go around the dental marketing companies, around paid ads, around everything, and you can create your own visual identity brand from scratch in just a day.
That's insane.
Yeah, because with AI you can do everything in just one day and you can start kicking *** next day, like immediately.
Yeah, I can't get to Miami, but if you ever want to do a webinar, let me know.
So then do you make yourself available for people after the course if they have questions or follow up?
I'm always available. I'm getting 10s of questions every day from around the world from my students and stuff. I always reply to them. I have a private VIP group on Telegram where people join and then whenever they have questions, I go there and I answer. It's like a WhatsApp, but it's better because on WhatsApp, if you join today, you cannot see the messages that were posted like one year ago. On Telegram, everything from... All the times when it was posted, so it's really better from that point of view.
Beautiful.
Yeah, that does make a lot of sense. Yeah, well, fascinating, man. This is some great stuff. I mean, like I mentioned when we started. You reached out to me and I'm like, who is this guy? And then I looked you up and I was like, wow, yes, definitely we want to have you on. Same here. Thank you.
That's another one of the secrets of getting exposure and getting authority in dental dentistry. So if you want to be mentioned by AI, you have to be featured in as many podcasts, in as many websites, on university pages, on societies, associations and stuff. That's how you build trust. That's how you build authority. And that's how AI is recognize you as a main thing in your area. And that's how you get exposure. So basically, that's one of the reasons I reach out to you so I can be featured in a podcast where you will put my name and the link to my website. That's called the backlink. So these backlinks are helping indexing your business. And that's how you grow. Also for, let's say for the people like me that I'm applying for a green card and I need to have worldwide notoriety or how to say exposure, when the immigration, they go to search on the website, who's Milos, like you did, they will find a lot of stuff coming in, pages and pages and pages. And they say, okay, maybe this guy really deserves to be a national interest waiver to get his green card.
I love it. I hope we're a part of you getting this green card. A small part. I just hope we played a part in you making this dream card.
So do I. Definitely you did. I really thankful for that and I really appreciate it.
That's awesome. Well, thank you so much. We appreciate you. And I'm going to try to find time in Chicago to check out this course.
I was going to say, we'll see you in Chicago for sure.
I will be there for an event. Yeah, definitely. We'll see you there. And in the meantime, if you want to see the new things coming out in our industry, usually I'm one of the first to find out about everything that hits new. We'll be on my study club page in the news section.
Yeah.
There are some new things coming, like how you can do photogrammetry without owning a photogrammetry unit, just your intro scanner with a scan letter from Adam Nolte. So I will be speaking about that too. Also, I will publish a link, an article about it. So all the new things that are coming, I'm going to post there and you can see them first.
I love it. And there'll be a link on this episode show notes. Thank you so much, sir.
Thank you. Have a great one.
Have a good one.
Bye.
So a huge thanks to Milos for coming on the podcast and talking all the amazing things that you're doing from digital dentistry. photography to AI, marketing, new materials, and some pretty wild technology, you're clearly not interested in just doing things the way you've always done them. And actually, we really enjoyed hearing the story behind how you got here, especially making the move to the US and having to build everything from the ground up all over again. Shout out to your wife, too, for all the support. I think she's amazing. And if you want to learn more about what Milos is doing, Check out his courses, his photography resources, and all of the other projects that he's got going on. So visit toothpick.ai. And that's tooth. And ever since our interview, Elvis, I've seen him all over Facebook and I keep liking, liking, liking and sharing.
Isn't that crazy how that happens? Yep.
I'm all in.
What a good dude. I can't wait to check him out in Chicago.
Agree.
All right, everybody. That's all we got for you. And of course, we'll talk to you next week.
Have a great week.
Bye.
Sometimes it's a now, so you really have to focus.
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