Hi folks of the community. I'm Laura Prosser, the digital marketing manager here for IWA North America, and I would like to invite you to start following us on Instagram. It's your chance to obtain exclusive updates on product announcements, industry news, upcoming educational events, and heartwarming stories about our local team and industry professionals. So let's get social together! Simply start following us on Instagram at. That's Instagram at. We'll see you there. Welcome to voices from the bench, a dental laboratory podcast. Send us an email at info at voices from the bench and follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Greetings and welcome to episode 375 of voices from the bench. My name is Elvis. My name is grandma. Grandma. What's happening? How are you? That's funny to say, but it really doesn't bother me. I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. I'm glad to hear that. Because a lot of people are bothered when they get that nickname or that new title. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. It is what it is. I'm that. I'm that girl. Not. I'm not a whole hell of a lot. It freaks me out anymore. At my age, I don't care. He's just beautiful and I'm in love and it's just awesome. I'm so happy for you and the whole family and everybody. Things are growing. And you? You good? I am good, I am good, really busy at work. Uh, doing a lot of chairside weather is darn near perfect here in Indiana. We're kind of, uh, weather newscasters as well every time we talk. I think that's why people tune in. Really? To find out the weather of Indiana and Florida. It's 95 out of running 95. I almost. Oh. That sucks. Last week when I ran, it was not pleasant. Yeah. Yeah, that is terrible. Yeah, I'm finishing up work. There's still three hours of daylight and it's in the low 70s. Right? Right. Yes. Yeah, it's really nice. Wait, so all you runners out there be jealous because I am. Yeah. All right, enough of this small talk. It's finally here. Oh, my God, I'm so excited. After months and months of editing, organizing, and probably the hardest part, getting everyone's headshots for the episode finally are starting the episodes. With conversations we got at the amazing xkcd booth at IDs in Cologne, Germany from March 25th to the 28th. We were set up to record everybody that wanted to stop by and be on the podcast, and there was tons. There was tons. You were ready for this 26 separate conversations, but many of them had more than just one person. Yeah. And you and I, I don't think we took a break the whole time. Not many. Just given a shout out. Just saying. I will say this at Xkcd did a great job with providing us with water and just checking up on us, making sure things were going all right. Yeah, but out of all these 26 conversations, we came up with 11 episodes worth of ideas. Greatness. Hopefully you all like live recordings because we got a lot of them. So strap in and enjoy this very nice, very diverse group that all attended the largest dental show in the world. And when we say diverse, we are talking background careers, location stories. But before we get into the first episode, not played in any particular order, they came together just from time. Yeah, exactly. But we do need to give a big thank you to the true stars that made all this happen. XO CAD xo CAD was amazing. Elvis and I and voices from the bench. Not only did they make this possible, but they went out of their way to make us feel like a part of their purple family. Like, legit. So let's not delay any longer. Let's get to it. So this week we bring you three conversations of course, from the XO cad booth at IDs. First up is I want to give everybody a warning. These names are tough. So Roger Shamil, who just happened to be the first person we talked to and who was gracious enough to actually record with us twice. Oh yeah, she was amazing because the first one we lost completely lost it because of technical difficulties. And let me tell you, Hodja just rolled with it. She's like, no problem, it's all good. Let's do it again. Yep. And it was just as good as the first one. As Hodja talks about being a doctor in Iraq, but deciding that she likes designing on exoskeleton more, she talks about going to school near Russia, falling in love with dental labs, what the industry is like in Iraq and why she came to IEDs. Then we talked to the design and finish partnership of Daniel Porter and her son Prada. All over the XO CAD were these giant pictures of select heroes from the XO CAD world and Dentistry, right next to our booth with Daniel Porter, who has a long history with XO CAD. So they were basically right on top of our booth and big giant forms. That dude was. He was awesome overlooking all of us. When he first worked for them, he actually sold the first license in South America. Now in Florida, my end of the world, Daniel is doing just designs for dentists and labs around the world, and one of the people he trusts with the manufacturing is person with his lab in Utah. Hurston for 12 years has been perfecting amazing looking zirconia. And talks about why he came to ideas. And then we wrap up the very first episode of IDs with Diogo Vegas. But let me tell you, he's a lot more than just a doctor. He's got more credential letters after his name than letters in his own name. Doctor Villegas tells us all about dentistry in Lisbon, Portugal, where he got his doctorate, then his masters, and then he became a certified dental technician. He talks about owning his own practice, doing his own lab work, teaching others, and how actually traffic affects same day crowns. So join us as we chat with Hoja Camille, Daniel Porter Hairston, Prada, and Doctor Diego Vargas. Voices from the bench. The interview. Do you not think. Dubai. Have you been there? It's also a very popular dental exhibition in Dubai that happens every year in February. Well, let's just put it out there right now that Barb and I are willing to go to Dubai and record the podcast. You should. I would love to. I mean, Dubai is interesting. Have you been there? No, I've been to India, but I have not been to Dubai. It's definitely different. Yeah. You should go to Dubai next time. Next? Eric should be in February next year. Oh, no. That's when Chicago happens. Yeah. What time is Chicago? I think late February. Are you recording? This is early February, so maybe we could do both. Yeah, and maybe I can see you there. That would be amazing. It would be amazing. All right, here we go again. All right. Two at the xkcd booth and the wonderful, wonderful Ides. We got a first timer here with us. Who's because we're first timers, so we all don't know what we're doing. I'm surprised I made it here. We had a tiny technical glitch, but do overs are perfect. Yes. Okay. We'll learn more. So please say your name because I already forgot the pronunciation. So it's hoja. Hoja? Yeah. Simply hoja. Hoja. But your doctor. Hoja doctor. So that you're a doctor. But you're an exact expert. Exactly. I love, I love that. You're like the expert. Yeah. So? So, wait, where are you from? So what country are you from? I am from Iraq, right? Yes. And I decided to become a dentist. Yes, I decided to become a dentist and I'm a dentist. But then I changed my mind and I became a dental CAD designer. That's a big change. Because you went from a pay scale that's probably up here. Yeah, to another pay scale. But the the the thing is that the thing I'm trying to make is that okay. It's like maybe a lower level, but I'm trying to make it higher. Yeah. As we all know, that's the goal I would hope. Sure. Because it depends on what you're like, what you're giving, the product you're giving and how elite that is. Yeah. Elite's a great word. So tell us, how did you become a doctor and where did you go to school? Okay, so as I told you, I become a dentist because it's kind of like it's kind of popular social thing. What do you mean by that? Like, if you don't become a doctor, it's you. Yeah. Kind of. Because, like everybody, they're a doctor. Oh, really? But it's like it's a pressure from the society to become something like a doctor, a dentist, a pharmacist, something like this. Yeah. Is it mainly a male female thing or is it just not really. It's in general, actually, but for females, I remember like, my family would always be like, it's it's a good pay for a female. It's stable and stuff. Yeah. But I tried like I chose dentistry because like it was okay medical but at the same time creative and. You can use your imagination. It's artistic. Yeah, and that makes it interesting. Thank you for the water. And you said you went to school for six years, but you went to school in another country. I went to Azerbaijan, which makes my story even more interesting. Say that again. It's Azerbaijan. It's somewhere near Russia. Oh, we're near Russia. Yeah, you should Google it. Because. Because it was. It was part of Russia back then. Is that a country you're saying? Ah, yes, it's a country. The the capital is Baku and the country is Azerbaijan. So in Iraq, when you choose that you want to become a dentist? Yes. How do you end up near Russia? Going to school? Yeah. This is the thing. Uh, like, uh, it's either you study in Iraq or if you if you plan to study, uh, internationally, you have to choose one of the universities that are agreed by the high minister of, um, like, studies in Iraq. So I had to choose. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Was there one in America you could choose? Uh, of course there are. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the end, like, uh, where, like, uh, wherever you bring your diploma from, you have to evaluate it back at your country as of every country in the world, because you have to follow the, uh, policies of this country. Especially if it's a medical or a low field. Yeah. So when your parents give you a nudge and say, go there, or is that all? My parents are always supportive for that because they always want me to, like, build my personality, become independent and, well, it's pretty damn independent to move close to Russia by yourself. And it's non-English speaking. Correct. So you English speaking first year must have been a little bit. It was. But it's interesting because like, I never feel homesick or anything, I can go anywhere and I feel it's like my place, even if I don't speak the language I can manage. Which is interesting. Pretty impressive actually. Yes. And I love that by myself. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. And, like, back then, I've never heard of it before. Uh. Or only like, um. Sometimes only. But then, uh, it became one of my favorites. I love it there. I love the country, the people, the culture. It's, um. It's interesting. I miss it so much. So you were embarking on being a dentist, but then what you did become. Yeah. Then you kind of brought us through year 3 or 4. You got into designing? Yes. It's all, like, all thanks to my university back then, uh, they opened, uh, digital dental lab, and so they just decided we're going to get in. Exactly. And I love that. It was the perfect timing for me because I was the a fourth year dental student at that time. Uh, was this a lab to do the schools work? No, it was a lab that does, um, like they have outsources to, but they can do, like, the school work, too. Okay. And it was always a full of students to just explore, uh, like, and their lessons and stuff. But I went there and I was like, oh, so. Ding ding ding ding. Yeah. Can you train me for the purple program? The purple. Purple I love the purple. Purple. Yeah. Because I saw it on Instagram and seemed to know what it was. You just knew it was. Yeah, I just, like I remember it was purple. The teeth were yellow, and it's interesting. I mean, you can the guy that was trained and it didn't speak a lot of English. Yeah. It was like that barrier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was the the boss of the lab. Uh, I went there and he was the the first person to ask me, what are you doing here? So I told him, I'm a student and I am interested in a training. Do you make these? And he was like, ah, not really, but if you're interested, here is a laptop. You can try that. You can do it yourself. I think because we're busy working here and you're you're the kiddo. Wow. Who wants to play? And, um, I literally just sat down, and. Yes. And I have a picture. I have a picture. I remember sharing that picture on LinkedIn, which is the picture that Nilo saw and sent a message to me. Wow. One picture started. This one. Yes. That is. And now I'm here. Was it hard to learn hexagon? It's not hard. As a CAD designer today. It's not hard. It's super user friendly. Yeah. It's easy. You can, like, you can click next and see what's going on. But about like the the hardest part of CAD designing I think the management of the case because no case is like the other. Yeah. There are no yeah. There are no exact ABCs that you have to follow. You have to know how to deal with it. And I think like being a dentist and a CAD designer give me some pluses because I know. Why did the dentist do that? I'm not like, oh, what is that? Why did he do that? He does not know how to work. Yeah. No, I don't do that because I understand the, uh, the challenges at the clinic and, uh, the challenges with the patient of both worlds. Yes. Both together? Yeah. And that's, I think, my strength point that I'm trying to make stronger and stronger. So you fell in love with it and you went to school? Yes. So you basically were in school full time, and then in the lab after school, I would go to the lab where. Yeah, that takes a lot. It takes a lot. But I was interested because I was doing something new and nobody was doing at that time. And I remember people at the lab, they were like, you're a dentist. What are you doing here? You're you're you're a lady. There were only guys at that time. Oh, really? Because I think it's it's that common? I think, yeah, because I'm a male. You're like, I'm a bad ass. I know females are, like, at the lab are not that popular. Especially back then. Now. We are popular. We're rocking, I mean. Yes. Very much. Yes. So you're back in Iraq? Yeah, I finished, I graduated. Yeah. And then I, I moved back to Iraq because it was the best option for me. Like, right at the moment I arrived in Iraq, I had a job offer as a dental CAD designer at the lab I'm currently working in and managing the design. So how did they know about you? Uh, they know about me. LinkedIn post. The thing is, before I moved back to Iraq, uh, I was searching for, uh, dental labs that I can go for summer training, and there you go. Yeah, because I was like, oh, let's not waste time. Let's do it. So once I go back to Iraq, as you know, because I spent my school years in another country, so my connections are pretty poor and Iraq related to the dental field. So I was like, oh, let's try my shot. I had a friend who recommended me to her boss and he was like, oh, let her come. It's only like summer training. And let's see, I stayed there for one month and a half. I would go every day. I would do some simple cases. I remember learning on partial cat at that time because nobody wants to do the partial, so nobody wants to do the part where they put it on the trainee. Did you get good at it? Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah. But like, I don't want to work on partial. Why doesn't people like doing partials? It's it's a I mean, it's partials. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not as aesthetic and artistic. Well, yeah. Well, you seem to know, too. It's more, I would say, more complicated to understand the dynamics of partials. Okay. And it does not always work. You have to try and. And what did they do? They print the wax and then casted them. No, we did like the peak thingy. Oh, you milled them? Yeah. You build partials. Wow. Where? Fancy schmancy. You don't see that too often. Is that common over there? Uh, it's not common. But for our lab, it is because we're pioneers. To which I am always to do some new things and things that nobody does. We'll talk about some other things in Iraq. I mean, mostly zirconia, I imagine, or as. Yeah, but we do Imax too. Yeah. Or let's say lithium silicate to be more scientific. Yeah. Yeah. And bars and metal bars. Titanium hybrids. As you said, we do feldspar ethics. Oh, wow. Yeah. And, uh, I think, yeah, Iraq is, uh, trying so hard in dentistry, and we're we're reaching some points, actually. Yeah. Even in digital dentistry, like, um, uh, as I told you, and oral scanners became so popular. What's the big one over there? Should I mention names? Yeah, sure. Okay, so, uh, metal two and three shape. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They are. They are in the market. Yeah. Yes. And they are doing their best. And even 3D printers and clinical 3D printers are becoming very popular, especially the last year, because there is a company who's working on that too, in Iraq. Uh, so yes, clinics too are digitalizing. And they are bringing the in lab, uh, our in clinic labs. How many cases, percentage wise, do you think you get into your lab? That is. Intraoral impressions. Traditional impressions. Um, I'm not sure about the percentage, but roughly roughly 70 to 80%. Yeah. Digital? Yeah. Nice. Because it's more than a lot of labs in the US. Exactly. I know. I told you good, because that's where you landed. Exactly. Smart woman. So, are you at the same lab that you've been at? Yeah. What's the name of the lab? Yeah, it's platinum dental lab. Shout out! Yeah. Platinum. Platinum. Yeah. Oh, nice. So you manage the whole digital. How many people? Yeah. It's, uh, we're not a lot. Uh, like, um, it's me and four others. So we're, uh, five cat designers at the lab. Wow. Uh, that's pretty big. Yeah. I'm all like. I'm like, I'm the oldest one. That's why, like, I tend to be the manager. They find the other ones at in high school. Uh, no, no, I don't I don't mean age wise, but in the lab, they came after me. Yeah. Okay. I see you. Yeah, that's what I meant. So do you get to deal with Dennis? All merging with what you do. Most of our CAD designers in the lab, actually, they are dentists. Really? Yeah, which is interesting. Why are so many dentists not becoming dentists? I told you, because the market of, like, clinical dentistry is becoming, uh. Like, it's hard to get a practice or it is because there are way too many dentists there. Interesting. Okay, so then that was a really good call on your part. It is because I told you it was like, the faster you get in that, the more pioneer ish you are. Exactly. Yeah. Interesting. So what's your favorite part to design now? To design now? My favorite. I don't know, I like to design maybe all in probably all the hard stuff. Right. What's the big implant company in Iraq? And there are a few of them I, you know, like the most popular. Yeah. It can be, um, maybe magazine. Oh, magazine. Okay. Awesome strawman groups. All of them? Yeah. Okay. Uh, I like to work with these and so many companies. They are like the other. There's a lot of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of implants come from that side of the the world. Exactly. Yeah, but you still have the big core ones. Of course I like to use these because they are more flexible, interesting. And, uh, their prosthetic parts are very reliable. Sure. Yeah. So you mentioned the all on X? Yeah. Do you do same day conversions or like day of surgery design. And they print. Um, like it depends. It depends on the cases. But but we're not at that point yet. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. We're trying to get there, but we designed Temporaries, but not at the same day of the surgery because, uh, for example, one of the dentists we're dealing with, they already have their, uh, in clinic lab. So for some days he does it. And and the clinic. So we're only doing the, uh, long term temporaries and zirconia. Yeah, yeah, the titanium bar. Exactly. Photogrammetry. Is this happening in Iraq? Uh, what is it? Photogrammetry. Where they take the showing off? Oh, I'm not sure. You mean the face counts? Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, but it's like, um, for me, I haven't used it in a real case until now, but, like, I remember, uh, we did it on myself. Oh, there you go. Yeah. To try it. Yeah. And it was interesting, I think. Interesting. Yeah, I think it's very interesting. But it's not very popular in there. Interesting. Yeah, it will be. It will be for sure. Yeah, it's it's not even super popular in the US yet. It's still kind of in its early stages, but it won't be long before it becomes my company. Are you using. Well, for photogrammetry, there's a few of them. There's a I cam and the pick micro mapper is a very popular one and which I'm sure we'll see here. Right. I'm sure they're here somewhere. Yeah. In the depth of one of these buildings. I mean, how do you find anybody? Oh, it took me. It took me so long to get here. You said you came to IDs and you came to exo CAD first. Yeah, like I was, I was it took us a good it took me about. Yeah. Half an hour. Oh. 20 minutes. Yeah. So what are you planning on doing here at IDs? What are you looking for? I'm looking for a way out. I'm just kidding. It's not really digital dentistry. Yeah, and the everything related. I told you, I like. I feel like I burn out from designing, so I want to do something bigger. Yes. Talk about this. Burning out. You haven't even been doing it that long. Right. I know, but, like, uh, I think I'm young and I get bored very quickly. So what do you. How are we going to fix this? I'm trying to. Yeah, I'm trying to fix it by coming here. Coming here. Getting inspiration. I need inspiration, ideas, connections. And, uh. We'll see. I think, um, today is the first day. And in five days, my life would be different. If this is your first ideas. The same with us. So it's five days. Do you do, like, one hall a day? What are you thinking in your brain? I should say, I know it's your first time. It's my first time. I would just walk and just explore. Yeah, I just like what I do in, uh, new cities and figure out what you can bring back and what you can implement. Exactly what exactly what can we do and what can we change and what can we bring to the table I think. Yep. Awesome. Yeah. This is I think this is what's awesome about our industry and especially about the digital part of our industry, because it's just like it's the newest part. Uh, it's the most, uh, like, um, revolving. And it's interesting. Updating keeps updating, keeps getting better. Exactly. Sometimes that's like, uh, it puts so much pressure on you. But at the end it's fun, should be fun, challenging. It's fun and it keeps you going. Yeah. Driven. So how long has it been since you've been in the mouth? Uh, last time I've been in the mouth. Uh, I think less than a year. Really? Yeah. Are you afraid to lose that skill? Uh, I don't think so. I'm so bad at it. Yeah. Because you might go back to it one day, right? Yeah. So you're going to keep up on whatever continuing education you need to keep up your. Exactly. And if I go back, I have to go back to a digital clinic. No clinic? Yeah. Not after what you've been through. Yeah. Like I have to be a digital dentist. Yeah. You would probably want your own technician in your office, maybe to keep that collaboration tight. Yeah. Uh, I was thinking the other day, if I. If I do clinicals, I would do my own designs. I would just keep, like. Yeah. They are. Yeah. You would love that way. You couldn't. Right. It's like I'm making. When are you gonna do dentistry, though? No. You'd be working 18 hours a day. No, I would just, like, make my cases, design them and make the service. Just, like, layer it. Yep. And slay it. Yeah. Layer it. Say it. That's going to be my new tagline. There you go. We're going to make a meme about that. There you go. Okay. I'll be waiting for that. I'm following you. I love your memes. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you so much for sitting down. Thank you guys. That was awesome. We have kept recording going this time, so I'm excited. You've been super amazing. So thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Good luck to you. Thank you. So this is super exciting. We're at Cologne, Germany. Exo CAD booth, Barb and I are set up under a wall with the gentleman. I would say I think he's as big as the gentleman himself. Daniel. Porter. Portal. Portal. Yeah. Portal in front of me. Everybody. Everybody makes the same mistake. No. No worries. So, Daniel, how are you, sir? Doing well. Very excited to be here. Why are you so big? Yeah. What's happening? There's a long history between me and Zachariah, but, um, I guess ultimately, Christine worthwhile invited me. Yeah, but, uh. Yeah, I've been using zakat now for pretty much ever since the launch. You don't sound German. You don't? No. No, no. Where are you from originally? Um, I was born in the US, but I grew up in Venezuela. Oh, really? Wow. And fascinating. I came across zakat. I worked for the first distributor in the US. Really bad dental. And they hired B and D. Yes. Oh, okay, I know them. Yeah, sure. They hired me so that I would do tech support in Spanish. Nice. And so, um, actually sold, uh, well, I didn't sell it, but I went in and sold the first. The first license. The first license in South America, in Ecuador. And, uh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. It is. Then, uh, I worked in a few different labs around the country using extraction mostly, and then eventually ended up working for XO Cat. I did, uh, their tech support and training for three years. Oh, wow. I took care of the entire Western hemisphere and Spain being the only, uh, native Spanish speaker. Then all the Spanish countries fell onto me. Yeah, yeah, well, that makes a lot of sense. North America. Yeah. So how did you even get into dental technology? There's a lot of dentists in my family on my mom's side. Yeah, yeah, and I was always drawn to it. I know there's gonna make me sound a little bit bad, but I saw a video of a surgery, and I was like, yeah, maybe this isn't for me. I feel the same way. That's hilarious. I actually didn't know this. The side of dentistry existed, and I've always been good with my hands and sculpting, and I saw, like, a good medium there. And who did? Did everybody in your family use a lab you just didn't like? Make the connection. Yeah, it was my my aunts and uncles are the dentists, and I just was never close enough to to know that part of it. See the reality of it. Yeah, the crazy of it. Yeah, yeah. And so I had no idea. Lab, uh, lab technology existed. So, yeah, it's been it was a great fit for me. Yeah. And who are you, then? Like, your first person person product? Person, product. And you guys are buds, right? Yes. Very, very good friends. So you mentioned you're from Utah. How does this all fit in? Yeah. Yeah. I used to live in Utah, and that's how we all met each other. Yeah. Did you guys meet in a lab? In the lab? Yeah, in a lab? Yes. And you're a designer as well? Well, he. He designs and I mostly, like, finished the case, you know, like, I work more. That's what I do. So we tandem, I do the designing and he does a the manufacturing. Awesome. Oh, okay. Printing, milling, whatever. It needs to be done. Whatever it is, he. He's. So are you currently with exo CAD? I am not. So you're you own a lab now? I'm 100% independent, and I have my own design service and training. So you do design? Yes, sir. For dentists and labs. Awesome. You send it over to him. Those that need manufacturing. Yes. Wow. That's quite nice. And then you send your designs. I send my designs and we finish the case together. That works. And we make sure it's good. Yeah, because you own your own lab. Yeah, I own my own lab. It's in base in Utah. What's the name of the design? Dental lab. Arts. Oh, nice. Yes. And how long have you been in the industry? I've been for 12 years. Okay. Yeah. How did you get into it? I'm just saying I have a background with my family. I have an uncle that is a dentist and I always like to work with my hands. Sure. Go. Yeah. That is a message we hear a lot. You're either know somebody or somebody, a dentist, or somehow you fall into it. I want to help Dennis to become better, you know? Yeah. Don't we all? Yeah. Yeah. We've actually been on a few trips, like going to train Dennis on how to do surgeries and same day. So you're back into the blood? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can't get away from it. But, yeah, we've done that in tandem a few times now and really great experiences. Yeah. Do you like working with Dennis or do you like working with dental technicians better? I think you want me to start a war. Is that what you remember? I know what the answer is. We like our dental technicians. Correct? Yes. Yeah. And this is your third idea? Second? No. This is I don't know. It's my fifth. Sixth. So it's our first take five before you get up on a wall. Apparently. When? When I was with Axel. They'll bring me here. Yeah. Yeah. yea those those. So yeah I think it's my fourth or fifth. Wow. Is it fun to walk around not having to work? It is awesome. Yeah I bet. I was going to say, are you lecturing? Are you going? No. Good for you. Yeah, I just came. Came for the fun. Really? So, do you look for anything when you're here? Yeah, I just I just want to see what's going on. Especially on the AI side of things. That's, uh. That's a big buzz. Is there anything that's, like, risen to the top that you've seen so far? Yeah, it's on day one. There is a couple companies that that I think are doing a a great job and to a certain extent make it a become a bit of a threat. Yeah. And I think if I can leverage it correctly then I'll take advantage of that technology. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah AI is coming up fast and it's, uh, it's scary at times. Yeah it is. Yeah, it is. But, you know, I even resisted it a lot. And I'm starting to. I mean, you have to. There's a place in it, I think, for us. You guys changed my life. Yeah. I mean, just the simple things it will do for you. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. And I think little by little is going to. Because the difference between a crown and a full arch is maybe a maybe a year of development. Absolutely. So yeah, that's coming down the pike, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. And so, yeah, you just gotta adopt it quickly and see how you can leverage it before somebody else does. Yeah. What about you? What are you looking for? Yeah, I'm just looking to get more zirconia and probably what's new up here. You know, you always see, like, new milling machines. Be careful. You're saying you're looking for new zirconia. Everybody will find you and show it to you. Do you find more dentists here or technicians or a little bit of a I think, Wolf, you know, technicians. Somebody told us that there's 180,000 people attending this year. I believe it. Yeah. Plus the sheer size of this place. I think they're all in our Uber good. Yeah, well, we're enjoying it. So far, so good. But we've only been in this one hall. How do you do? What do you do? Like a holiday? How do you see the whole thing? You cannot walk the whole thing. I don't care how fast you walk. If you stop to see anything at all, then you're done. It's over. So you just kind of pick the ones where you see the vendors you like to see. And that's. That's all you get to do. It's just too much. It's too much. I couldn't imagine slow walking the whole thing. You can't. And you'll easily put in your 22,000 steps a day, so. Yeah. So what do you use? Mayo? I use mill. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, that's what I use. I don't want to say other names because I don't want to create a problem here. You know? No, just everybody loves each other. I understand it all mixes well. What's your favorite part? Uh, my favorite part. Um, it's to create the teeth and create a good anatomy and make sure everything's nice. Yeah. It's my favorite. It's smooth and it's ready to play on the patient, you know. So when you work together from such separate locations, whose doctor is it? The designers or the finishers? Or is it both? It's. It's both. Yeah. Uh, it depends on the client. We would do things like. Okay, I'll do the design and let me, let me introduce you to my lab friend, and you can send your manufacturer. That way we keep things separate with some some clients. Some others. He finds what we find together. And so we treat him as one. And we just kind of keep track of those. How do you communicate between the desires of the patient, the doctor, the designer and the finisher? I mean, that's a lot of steps. So finish it. We have, uh, like we have I know we hit a button and we walk away. Yeah. Uh, no. So so there's, uh, I tell doctors that I want them to think that I am blind, and they need to paint a picture of what they want through there. And so I have doctors that send me five page pages or 20 minute videos, and that just makes it a lot easier, because there's the less I have to guess 100%, the better off I am. And so I try to tell them, like if you have down to measurements, like if you want to see a tooth that's x amount tall by Y, just give me all of that and then I'll, I'll try to approach your idea as close as possible from, from the get go, rather than going back and forth multiple times and having to redesign the case. Yeah, sometimes, like if the doctor goes straight through Harrison and to me, then I'll tell him, hey, we need better. Yeah. And so we we just. Yeah, we try to push it back on the doctor as much as we can so he can do his part correctly, and then we can do our part correctly. You get into the whole facial scans and all that or. Yeah, they require it or. So I'm going to be an odd one on this one odd one out and understand it. I don't find much value in three in face scans. Okay, I don't the pictures enough. Yes, a good quality picture that makes or breaks the case to me, especially if we're doing aesthetics. So I do require a good quality picture. Yeah. Um, make sure the patient's not sitting, though. Yeah, yeah. Why? Straight up, straight up. See the eyes? Because when they sit, they fall. No no no no no. So see the thing, what it means. Like. Yeah. Uh. Especially when the laid back. Oh, yeah. Some doctors like to, like, stand over the patient and take pictures. Yeah. Sometimes we can only see the ear, you know, the left ear. Right ear? Yeah. Are you guys finding that doctors are wanting to see pictures of the design before? Yes. In that tool bath. And I'm finding that more and more in our lab. And doctors want to be involved. They want to see the design, they want to see the shapes. And then you can tweak it so much easier. Isn't that like a safety zone where you could be like, were you approved it, you thought it was good. And that's actually part of the reason why, for example, when we work together. Oh, any design I do, I send a preview along with it. Yeah. And I try to, in a way put the responsibility on the doctor to one check my my work. Yeah. And he can if he approves, you can come back to me and say, oh, I don't like the aesthetics. Yeah. Because you've already seen at least one preview in the process. He owns it. Yeah. And so I try to share the responsibility because I can make a mistake. And if I do, then the doctor can say, point it out to me, hey, this whatever it is, and then I'll redesign. No problem. But once we've progressed past the point of design, he can come back and say, hey, this is going on because you've already looked at it. Yeah, you pointed out to me. So we're both. Yeah, we're both responsible, I love that. I think that's a great benefit because then it's just like doing a diagnostic. But it's digital, right. So they look at it, you do a trial run, everybody's happy. And you could send it directly from XO CAD. They can view it 360 degrees. They don't need the software or anything. Just so that's a nice feature. I don't know if the other softwares do that, but so every case that I design, even if it's a simple, uh, posterior molar, it'll, I'll send a preview out to the doctor. Really even you do those? Yes. For every single case I design, you get a preview, you get to approve it, you get to criticize my work, evaluate whatever you want to do. But here's a here's a preview of it before we move. Do you get a lot of rejection? I mean, do you get a lot of. No, I don't think so. You're on the wall. Something tells me that you've got it going on by now, right? There's that. It happens. Right? Yeah. There's doctors that are pickier than others. And and and that's fine. I welcome the challenge every time. Uh, but no, usually because I am so open about what I'm doing, here's my design. Critique it. Then doctors tend to lower their guard a bit and more willing to cooperate with me to get what they want. And you want that because sometimes doctors can be tough. Like we were talking about. You've got your clients that you probably say. You know what? I'm not your technician. Yeah, I'm not your lab. Yeah. And then you've got the ones that you're partnered with that you get you have communication with, and it's just so much easier to deal with them. I'm sure you fire doctors every now and again, don't you? Yeah. We we fire sometimes. A lot of doctors. Yeah. Sometimes we want to we want to be friendly with them, you know. Yeah. You've got to have that. Sometimes doctors have that ego about them. And I'm not trying to trash doctors, but I think it's better when they are just like you. I need to tweak it. I tweak it the way I see it is, what you do is very important. And whether you like to recognize or not, what I do is also equally important. So we both have the same level of respect for each other's work. Then we'll get along just fine. Um, and that's that's usually the type of people I like to work with. Do you do designs for doctors that will mill it themselves and do it in-house? Yeah. In fact, unfortunately for people like Harrison, that seems to be the trend. Yeah. Uh, in-house labs, it seems to be the the the way things are flowing right now. Yeah. Um, so those are getting affordable. Yeah. I mean, and so a lot of my clients actually have their in-house equipment, but, um, whose staining on the probably their hygienist. Yeah, they have assistants trained and. Yep. So, like, Hersman goes out and trains doctors on or they're, they're you're doing it to yourself. And so we we've trained doctors on how to do the finishing and all the, the the they don't learn like they don't learn right away. It takes the skill. You know, the time. Yeah. You know, I mean, they can do it, but it's not. It's going to be. I don't ever see him doing it full time, though. I think maybe they have a case here or there that they might want to do or take on themselves, but one volume increases don't. Yeah. If they're setting all their time doing that, they're not doing dentistry. Exactly. And they're losing their chair. Time is a whole heck of a lot, which is a critique that always because I get, I do get hired by a lot of doctors to come train them on how to use the software. Yeah. And I tell them, look, I before I even get out there, like, I would love to train you, I'd love to get paid for doing this, but you're not going to be doing this. Like if if you sit down to design a crown, the time it takes you to design and you lost money because you should have been seeing a different patient. Yeah. And you're making more money. Now if you get into the more complex cases, by the time you're able to design a case as fast as somebody with a lot of experience can, the time investment that would have to come on your end would just not make it worth it. It's not worth it. Yeah. I don't understand why they want to other than just they they want to get their hands in it and be creative. And, and they think they're saving money, but they're not not people. No way. Keep as much money as they can. Or at least that's how they see it. But it it's pretty time consuming to get to get good with the software. Sure, it takes a while. So. So do you have technicians working with you or do you do everything. And if you do one, how do you do that? Wow. Yeah, I'm a one man show. So I do all my trainings. I'll do all my designs myself. I don't outsource anything except for manufacturing that I sent to to person. But besides that, every design comes out of my my company I did. And where are you located now? Florida. Yeah, I just moved to Florida a few months ago. Wow. Yeah. What part of that? Just outside of Orlando. Oh, nice. Groveland. Claremont area? Yeah. Okay. I live in Tampa. Clearwater. Yeah. Yeah. What took you to Florida? What took me to Florida? Uh, Florida? Yes. Of course. Um, being in Utah, housing market just got out of hand. I couldn't afford a home. Oh, really? But you could afford 1 in 4. Is it worse than Florida? Oh, yeah. Really? And so. Wow. For the same price, I would have gotten two thirds of the house in Utah. Yeah. And so I, uh. That's insane. I did that. And actually, weather was probably the main. Like, I got sick and tired of winters. Winters. So I get that. And you're going to move to Florida next? Right. Probably. Yeah. We're going to be probably a lab there. Good for you guys. There's plenty of labs in Florida. Maybe we don't know. You should. Well, awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you sir. Thank you very much, Mr. Wall. Yeah. Which we love. Thanks for your time. And you look damn good up there. Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. Thanks for all the funny jokes. I appreciate it. All right, guys. Enjoy. Take care guys. This is from the bench. Yes, sir. You don't have a name tag, so I have no idea. They didn't give me one. Oh. Hold on. Are you. Are you in here illegally? No. I'm invited. Did you sneak in the gate? So hold on. Hold it. Okay. Oh, a man with a card, I love it. Oh. I'm old, I'm an old fashioned. I'm a. Oh, I gotta see a card. Give me one of those. Professor! Doctor, what the hell? Diego, you can call me Diego. Diego. And that's not Vegas. It's Vegas, but if you feel comfortable, just call me Diego Vegas. That's fine. Diego Vegas. DDS, MSC, CT, PhD, assistant professor of medicine. What the heck? Well, I think we might have a celebrity. It's okay. It represents everything. No. If you don't know what you're doing, saying all this. That's crazy. Well, you're recording, so you just did. Yeah, well, here we are. ID's. Dun dun dun dun dun 25. We're at the expo card booth, and, uh, our good friend brought us a gentleman over. Doctor. Diego. Vegas. There you go. That's it. Say your name. Uh, my name is Diogo Villegas, but that's fine. I'm more than comfortable. It's easier. We like it better when he says his name, though. Elvis doesn't do too good. I don't do well, and I, I admit it. So tell us, how did you get into dental? I mean, you're a professor and a doctor. Yeah. And all of that? Yeah. What's your story? So basically, it's easy. So I went to study dentistry, and then I got, um. Where at? Where'd you go? Lisbon. Lisbon dental school. Lisbon. Yeah. And, um, then when I finished. And the course. Actually, during the course, I had the opportunity to follow, uh, a mentor. Um, it used to work at Mayo Clinic. Yeah. And I was like. Okay, I think I like prosecco. I'll go prosecco. It wasn't Paolo, was it? No, no. Yeah, but but I manage. I managed to meet him and it was quite an investment for them to me having to be there. Right. And I was like, this was like 2003, something like that. Okay. And, um, suddenly I finished the course. I wasn't able to stay at the, at the practice and but I still carry on. I was like, oh, I need to go a little bit deeper on Pro. So so I did a master three years at uni and that still is still in the dental side. Right. So you're talking. Yeah. Surgeries. Placing implants. More. More or less. Just. Just a person. And then I was like, wow, there's something lacking here. Uh, because I had some friends that did, uh, the same program, but, uh, at the US, New York, Michigan, whatever. And I was like, there's something missing here. And then I went to the bench. You're kidding me. I took the clinic dental technician course. So another three years? No, I said no. No. At the uni. At the uni? Yeah. Of course we call it that. See we talked. Was that common for Dennis? No no no no. In Port School you don't have any. And in the world I don't believe. Because it's not. It's not the right way to do it. Normally you go from technician. You go from. I would from a perspective from the technician to dental and, but not the other way around. And this is how I got to, to this point. So get me in your head though. Did you love it? Like you said, you knew that there was a connection. So you went to the dental school and immediately did you get it? I went there because I wanted. And then when I went from clinician to learn more from the bench, I was like, see, everyone said, you are mad. You should be doing your PhD or doing something else. Even though even even the even the dean, even the dean said, hey, do you have do you have any issues with time? Do you want me to get you something? No, I have time. I have a family. I travel because I was working in Edinburgh at the time and they were like. Why are you doing this? Because I want to know more. There's something missing. And nowadays they just tap in the back. Say, you did great. Excellent. You are one of a kind. Say. Yeah, but when I need it at the back. Nobody said. Everybody said to me. You don't do it. What you're doing are. You're crazy. You're wasting your time. And I can tell I'm happy. So when you went to the bench was. I mean, his exit. Was the extra Kat out or is this before? Yes. So this was 20 1414. So. So that was new then. That was new. Fairly new. Fairly new. Far away from these versions that we see today. Yeah. And at the uni it was quite interesting because on the technician side there was no any digital actually or just analog. Yeah. And I finished 2017 three years later. And maybe I would say two years later you start having the first, uh, companies and the first digital steps. Nowadays they do 5050. Yeah. Everything they do analog, they do the same projects and digital and and I can tell you, uh, because I was invited to teach there also, of course, one side on the clinical side, the students and on the other side, because it's in Lisbon, we are the first universities in Europe that you have both in the on the same building, technicians on one side and the dentists on the other side. Undergrad of course. Wow. So you could do both. Yeah. Go back. So I am the only one can do both. Yeah. You know, so this is interesting. And so nowadays they are doing more and more digital work. So I can see it from the uni. Of course we lack a little bit of, uh, resources and I. But. That's the way most universities actually. It's especially because it's a state university. But probably with the help of everyone will get there sooner or later and more and more. Uh, we're going to the course will be will get to the 100% for sure in the future. That's nice. So is that what you're doing full time now? Are you practicing and practicing? I practice and teach. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Uh, it's quiet because if you don't practice, you don't have questions. If you don't have questions, you. You know what I mean. You you you act like a lab. Lab rat. And I don't like that. I like I know what I mean. You you can study a lot, right? Yeah, but you do it. Why you do it? And what for? If you do both things, it's nice because you have questions. You have doubts. Then you take that to your clinical side, to the lab, and you try to figure out what the answers. And and this is how it works. Uh, I was, uh, raised with that in my academic world with, uh, the other colleague who was here, uh, just before, um, and he taught me that, uh, so he's your mentor? Yeah. He is. So do you go into the lab and still do lab? Yeah, we do, and we do multicenter research. Me and Lisbon and E and, uh, in Sao Paulo. So it's quite interesting and unique. I have to tell. I have to admit. So you opened up your own practice. I have my own practice in Lisbon. Uh, how soon did you open it? You know, I've been working at the same place for the last 16, 17 years. Wow. So. But the practice wasn't mine. And recently, uh, we've bought it for you. And we've referred. Yeah. Thank you. It was. It was quite an achievement. Not easy. No, it's not easy. Uh, but because I never wanted to. Until the day I said. Now I feel comfortable and ready for this challenge. And so I did after my PhD a little bit afterwards. And so what I've done is I've refurbished all the practice. And, um, so I have two, um, to, uh, dental surgeries, you know, to surgeries and, um, and then I have a lab. So I was going to say you've got dental technicians also. I'm completely independent. I'm completely independent. Do my own work. Uh, so I jump from one side, do the work. Yeah, I do the work, I do, I do the work, I do the work. And where do you find time for all of that? Sincerely. Because, uh, the thing is, it doesn't matter how many hours you work. Uh, because if you charge, uh, a cheap amount, of course, you have to work a lot If you do a custom customized work, it's different. So I don't want I don't like to see thousands of patients a day or per week. So you're not running like crazy. It's impossible to do, uh, a great cases or have a great result. I'm not saying the others don't. Yeah, whatever they can do whatever for, you know, doesn't work for me. I like to document, take pictures, do everything right, then I scan, I go to the other side, I get the files I design. I only use chair side CAD or dental CAD and then I print or mill. That's it. Then I finish polish and stain. That's it. What kind of mill do you have? Uh, I have, uh, MCL from, uh, Dense by Sirona. Yeah. And I use a zyga as a printer. Yeah, yeah. And on that bench, I have four seats for education. That's incredible. Wow. No, no no, no, uh, when I have students that come, people that want to go, that learn this philosophy, this digital workflow, especially with single restorations, posterior, anterior. And as long as you go, you start raising up implants, guiding, doing the. Teaching them not only the planning, but also what to do with the STL file. You print the file, you test it on the model live surgery, and they're sitting on the benches so they can do everything. So it's small but very familiar. And you know the students because you're teaching them. So when you say students can be those students that I invite, that's so I'm there's the other ones that they want to go. They want to learn more. For example, uh, exoplanet or uh, chair side CAD. They just go online and they look for where do I'm, where I'm going to do the next courses, and they just apply and they're already dentists normally. General dentists. They don't want to they want to go a little bit deeper. So when you do the work for the patients, do you do the design right after you see them or do you? Most of the time nowadays I have time to get it all done. So see a patient do the work. For example, I see a patient in the morning and I see a patient in the afternoon. If it's a big case, I'll just do it. One shot and and I fit next day on on the day. Nowadays we're facing more and more, especially after Covid, the single, uh, appointment session. Yeah, that's the reality. But before you had to be. It was rare to have a lab, especially digital, at your own practice. Nowadays it's more and more common. Yeah, because I'm saying that today. Take this as an example. My friend is Guilherme. He lives in Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo. The the the the the traffic is chaos. Yeah. If you want to move from from north to south, you can take half an hour or 3 or 4 hours. And if you come from abroad and the city is quite big, you're dead. Yeah. So means that they say I don't care how much I have to stay. I just just get it done today. I don't have to drive again. No, no, no, because they're afraid of of catching some traffic. You know what I mean? So in in Portugal, small city. Still people, they say the price is the same. I don't care. I just want to get it done. One shot. That's crazy. But before. I'm from the time that people wanted to stay. 1.1, 2.3. Come on. Makes no sense. True, it makes no sense at all. So you see the patient in the morning and scan them. I scan and if it's a single unit, by lunchtime, I fit, I cement. So you say I need you there for at least four hours. They say done. Or they bring a book, or they see movies or they go shopping. Yeah, they do the things that, um, they have to do in the meantime. And so I can finish it. But this, this, this is something that it's possible today because all these digital tools are integrated and they talk to each other. So for example, doing a you just scan and then you have the file, you can use the tool or AI driven or whatever. And suddenly you have your cron took you what. Five minutes. Yeah. Literally you need to be a genius to do that. Oh, I want to improve a little bit of the of the morphology. Do it. Yeah, yeah. That's okay. Then you press it and boom, five minutes later you have your own crown printed or milled. Are you doing a lot of full arch? A couple of cases. I do a couple of cases per year. Uh, full arches. Uh, and I normally I do immediate loading. So it means that I have to have already everything ready so I can print. Normally I print attempts. Yeah. Incredible, incredible results. Yeah, I prefer that to the end. For example, if the patient comes, I do the first, uh, the first, um, denture, the immediate denture. And then I say we can improve this two weeks later or three weeks, I do another one, but already, um, fitting to the implants, so I have already. Or afterwards I offer the second or I do another one, just to make sure that everything is how I want it to be, because it's it's quite impossible to predict exactly the position of the teeth, because what you have on Articulator is completely different. What you have in the in the patient's mouth, especially because we work with mean values. So we always, always have some distortion in terms of occlusal contact. Yeah. And so you can you grind here. Grind there. Yeah. And then when if you want to improve just do a new one. Yeah. Oh it just takes you 12 minutes. 12 minutes. You just stain and that's it. You and polish do finish everything you stain and that's it. Bam. Yeah. Do you let the patient see the design at all or sometimes. Sometimes if they're picky picky, picky you. But you can detect that. Yeah. But always say in these full arches. The first, as I learned with the doctor Paolo Malo a long time ago, this is the. Teeth are very important, but more important than statics is the function. So first of all I'm going to give you function. Then I'm going to give you statics. This is why you're going to do a second provisional and then the finals because there's time to, uh, you know, to rearrange everything. Nothing is forever. And this we can improve and this is and printing, uh, became an excellent partner with these, uh, even with the trains and the second, uh, dentures. Incredibly. And you can sort out that. Easy, easy. Very easy. And you can redo them. Easy. And something happens. Predictable. And it's possible. And it has a lot of repeatability. So yeah. Because what you're doing common over there or uh, well probably not depends. It depends probably I'm not possibly I'm not the only one. And thank God for that because otherwise all these companies, digital companies would be dead, of course. But you know, sometimes you need to see out of the box. Yeah. Uh, and this is quite interesting to see. Uh, sometimes, you see, I like to, um, attend other people's lectures to see what they're doing to inspire me. Uh, and this is why I belong. Uh, I think me and Lee were talking about a group that I belong to is, uh, the simulation group, where it's a quite international group. And this is one of the groups that have been inspiring me a lot on the way of thinking, on the way of working. Uh, because it has the, the, the tooth, the dental, uh, anatomy, the how is everything connected between, uh, even if it's analog or digital? And this is something quite interesting. And what's the name of that group? By emulation. By emulation? Yeah. I've not heard of it. No. Yeah. You just Google it and you'll see. Uh, the nature basically is the, uh, we're trying to copy nature. Yeah. But you say, okay, you've done that restoration. So what? It's not only about the restoration. It's about everything. Everything you do in terms of dentistry, even, uh, minimal preps. Yeah. Uh, so everything is connected. Um, because at the end, you want to be minimal, but you need to have the tools. So here comes digital. Oh, but we know the analog works, but the digital also works. But but you need to master it. Yeah. And the question is to be digital. Do you need to be analog too? That's the question. Uh, I would say for now, yes. In the future we don't know. So this is the more politic answer. Uh, that's a very good answer. And it's very true for now. Yes. In the future, we don't know. Possibly. Not possibly. Yes. Maybe just a percentage. But the most important part in all of this is the concept. We should never forget about concept, even if you're doing a small impression or a full rehab. Doesn't matter if you don't have the concept. It doesn't matter if you use analog or digital. It's here. There you go. If you don't understand, it doesn't work. So how are we going to go about keeping this concept alive? Isn't that the question then? I mean, yeah, we need to have, um. That's a great question. Actually, no. You know, why don't you have the answer? Yeah. No, because we thought about I've thought about it. And this is why it's important to be part of these inspiring groups. As I had the privilege and I have the privilege to make part of. And I like to. And this is what I talk to my students sometimes. Check this, read that, see something from from from this group because there are there are inspiring and most of them are not PhDs are nothing. But they have they were touched. They have something that they can transfer, teach. You know, uh, and it's something that you can do on Monday, not just, uh, it's only for a few of them. No, no, of course, this is what we need. We want to take stress out of it and want to be. We want to have repeatability. By the way, if you can. Do you have a lot of technical students? The more doctors or technicians know more. More. Most know I have more. More. Most of them are dentists. Okay. Okay. How many technicians are in the school? Uh, but I would say it's 90. Uh. So 30. So if we had three years. First year, second year, second or third year, you have 30, 30, 30. Okay. Okay. Per year in dentist, you have more. You have about 60 per year. Wow. 60 per year. So you end up with quite a lot. But still it's okay. And nowadays, they have more access to information that I had in the past. Yeah. Uh, of course they know what's digital. Of course they know what they know. Uh, scanner. Still, we face some still there, but possibly in the future. Uh, in on the pre grad, it will happen. They will have more access and they will do their own restorations. But the concept again you need they need to be they need to be taught the concept because it doesn't matter if they use putty wash off they use a scanner. The importance is I should get this. Yeah. And the final results should be that. So what do you teach at the school? Fixed orthodontics. Oh, wow. Yeah. You cover a lot. It's quite a it's quite. It's interesting. Uh, and it's, you know, fixed orthodontics is a very sensitive procedure. Some of procedures you shouldn't have. Uh, you should have a it should be, uh, eye open with occlusion. Uh, you can just mold in. That said, you need no saliva, no gingival inflammation because of the blood. Um, so there's kind of the preps. Sometimes it's it's difficult to prep in the posterior back. Oh, yeah. So you lose your reference and suddenly you end up with a sticky note. You know what I mean? Yeah. So. And that's it. That's a great word like that. You're telling word. My my friend Marco taught me. Sticky note. So what are you doing here at IDs? What are you. Well, is this your first time here? Uh, no, this is my. So. I've been coming to ideas since 2016. Oh, okay. So you're a veteran here? Yeah, I wouldn't say that. I just and some. And this is something that I had the opportunity to meet people networking. And I was invited. Actually, this year was the first time I was invited, uh, to to go and to, to lecture a little bit, uh, about the new products, new launching products that are upcoming. Excellent. Yeah. Obviously, you like to teach. I love that. You think so? Yes I do. Good stuff. Good stuff. You practice, you do your own lab work and you teach. And that's it. Where do you sleep? I sleep, and I sleep well. And you have time to come to Ides, and I go to the gym. Yeah. Sweet. Well. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you so much. Yeah. Good luck to you. Okay. There you go. That's it. That's the word. Like Maradona. Like Maradona. Diego. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you so much. Cheers. Let me tell you something, Elvis. Just that first part. You can tell we talk to people all over the world. It was just a crazy experience. So a huge thanks to Roger, Daniel Erson Doctor Villegas for joining us in the exo cad booth at IDs 2025. Roger is doing amazing things in Iraq, and we hope that she found that motivation at IEDs that she was looking for. Definitely understand burnout. Yeah, I sure do. And it's easy to do that in our profession like we talked about. But after talking to so many amazing people when we went there, there was motivation literally everywhere. It was great to meet the dynamic duo of Daniel and Harrison. We love their perspective of communication and how they use XO CAD to get the job done. And finally, Doctor Vegas. I don't think we have ever had a more credentialed person. Sincerely on our podcast and love that you were first a dentist and saw the importance of also learning the lab side, which I truly respect. So please encourage others to do the same. We had we talked to a lot of cool people. Yeah, and this is just the beginning and I hope you guys love it. All right everybody, that's all we got for you. And we will talk to you next week. Have a great week and enjoy these conversations. Bye. Yeah. You're gonna have to edit your ass off. I'm so sorry. The views and opinions expressed on the voices from the bench podcast are those of the guests, and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the host or voices from the bench, LLC.