Hello. Voices of the bench community. My name is Tanya Little and I'm a dentist from beautiful Vancouver, Canada. I would like to invite you to a special webinar that I'm hosting with Volker and LMT on Wednesday, May 7th, titled thoughts from Adventurist Creating Dentures with Eclat for 20 years. In this program, I will review the incredible history of renewables with Eclat and focus on the new and exciting evolution based print resin and of course, the PM seven. My goal is to provide you with several key takeaways that will allow you to work smarter and not harder. You can join me on May 7th by registering at LMT. That's LMT mag webinars and look for my course. I'm really looking forward to it. Welcome to voices from the bench, a dental laboratory podcast. Send us an email at info. Voices from the bench and follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Greetings and welcome to episode 370 of voices from the bench. My name is Elvis. My name is Barbara Barb. That's not the name you put in the, uh, software we use to record. Sounds like you're not doing so good. I'm actually trying my best to go the opposite direction. And then you called me out on it. Yes. I'm not real thrilled with my life right now, but I'm sure I'm not the only one in the world that feels that way. So moving on. Yeah. I hear you have a little car trouble. Sorry to hear that. A little car trouble with a BMW is not a little car trouble. You know, I've heard that. I've heard the maintenance on a BMW is, like, a lot. The maintenance on the BMW. Well, I can't even go there, but it's pretty much. It's pretty much a paycheck for what I'm going to have to pay. So I'm thinking I'm going to get rid of my car. Oh, there you go. You got to maintain those cars, man. I maintain my car better than most relationships. Dude, the car broke down in the middle of the busiest highway in Florida yesterday. Jerking me back and forth. Went from 50 to 5 miles an hour. Like, in, like, oh, I'm extremely traumatized. And then I had to find my way to the dealer. Oh. It's just. Oh my God. Yeah, it was crazy. Never, never has anything like that. I mean, you know, I've tried to start my car and it doesn't start, and you get a tow truck, but I never. We're going, you know, so fast. And all of a sudden your your car decides to, uh, take a dump on you in the very middle of the road. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Consider yourself lucky. I actually really was the only. Yes. Yeah, I did. When? That day, when all was said and done last night, I was like, you know what? I'm pretty grateful. So I know traffic down there is pretty terrible in Florida. It's fine. Uh, I'm actually gonna be down there in June in your home state, Barb. I know, but you're not gonna be there. That was like a spontaneous invite, which we got last year. And I will be in Chicago at the Colab board meeting, so I may be able to make it hopefully. Maybe that Saturday, but definitely not that Friday. Oh, that would be nice. I might be able to, like, fly into Orlando. I might be able to be creative. We'll see. I'll do my best. Yeah, that would be awesome. Because like you mentioned last year, the great people at Jensen Dental invited us to record at their booth at the FDLE Southern State Symposium and Expo. Yes. And they invited us back. So I'm super excited. I love the Florida meeting. You should love the Florida meeting. It's unbelievable. It's a good regional show. They got a lot going on. It's still kind of small with a lot of amazing people. It's just a great show. I always have a good time going and it's Florida. And it's Florida. You can go to the pool at night, chill out, have a cocktail. The hotel has the most amazing lazy river I've ever seen. I mean, spoiled like I want to go when there's not a show going on sometime and just ride that thing 400 times. Yeah, well, head over to FDLE dot net if you guys want to see the courses that they're having, and also register and make sure that when you do come by and say hi to Elvis and hopefully me on Saturday. Yeah, at the Jensen booth and it's June 13th to the 14th this year, so it's coming up. I'm excited. So of course all good things must come to an end. And this is the last set of conversations that I got at LMT lab De Chicago 2025 at the Iowa Ballroom. Wow. And it's almost May. That lasted. I know, is that nice? Good job partner. Yeah, I can't believe we're still releasing these. I know, but we can't thank Everclear enough for all their continued support of this podcast. You know it. Everybody should go show them some love and order something from them. Barb recommends the PM seven. Right on. All day, every day. So first up, I get to talk to the man behind Mod Jaw, Federico Manes. Now Federico comes from Italy and stops by to talk all about how he learned about the dental world. What exactly mod jaw is? How it works. And actually how it can make cases better and more predictable. Sounds kind of awesome. It's pretty neat. Then you get to talk to Melissa Everett, who loves dental lab work so much that she actually works at two labs at the same time. Oh my god. Yeah. Sounds like something I would do. Melissa talks about getting into dental, becoming a ceramicist, and working at a production lab part time while doing more exciting cases like all on ex at an in-office lab. Damn. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't know how she had time to come to lab day. Honestly. She got a lot going on. Then we decide to wrap up all the conversations from Lab Day Chicago with kind of a unique treat. I really don't know what else to call this conversation. Oh. You see. Years ago, we had on a couple past guests. One was Sandra Paratus from Finland. I'm sure I got that wrong, Sandra. Sorry. She didn't cuss very much at all. Oh, God. But also, years ago, we had another past guest on named Jay Work, who's in Pennsylvania. Now, these two didn't know each other, but met for the first time at lab De Chicago 2020. It's actually so romantic. I see it on Facebook. Still living thousands of miles apart. They are now engaged. They are enjoying. Yes. And they are enjoying being different together. I'm just gonna say different. I love these guys. Yes, they really are perfect for each other. And as you will hear on this most non dental conversation I think I've ever had on this podcast. Oh, it is quite enjoyable. And if you know Sandra and Jay you will understand too. So join us as we chat with Federico Mains, Melissa Everett, Sandra Curtis and Jay work. Are you a dental lab in need of more talent to improve your bottom line and keep production on schedule? Are you a dental tech with great skills but feel you're being limited at your current lab? Well, the answer is here. 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I'm Federico Munez. Federico? Yes. Is that not bad? It's great. Yeah. Federico, how are you? I'm good. I'm glad to be here. You're obviously not from Chicago. No, I'm from Italy. Italy. What part? North. North. West? Yes. On the border. On the seaside. On the border with France. Nice. Is this a little weather? Little terrible for you, or. This weather is the worst I've ever experienced. You know, I can, you know, go outside in swimsuit in this moment. In my place. Sure. Yes, yes. We got the best weather in Italy for sure. Nice. Anyways. Yeah. Tell me about yourself. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm. I've been working in a dental lab ten years. Okay? And, you know, my job was actually. I actually have an IT background. You know, I studied it like you went to school for it. Yes, yes. And then how did you end up in the lab? Uh, you know, I had the the boss of the lab. You know, I was working in an Apple store, and and. Oh, the Apple store. Yeah. Nice. So you were, what do they call a genius or what kind of it was? It was not a real Apple Store. It was a retail store, you know. Oh, okay. Not really from Apple, but. Yeah, it's kind of a genius. Yeah, yeah. You helped the idiots with their computer. The dummies? Yes, that would be me. But go ahead. Yeah, and and, you know, this guy was coming and bringing his computer to install guided surgery software and this type of stuff. And when I left the left the the the store. He asked me, do you want to join? And you know, when he asked me to join, he who had a full analog workflow. So wait a minute. Let's back up. You're at this computer store? Yeah. A guy comes in with a computer that he needs help on. Yeah, that has dental surgical on it. Exactly. That's your first experience? Yes. Wow. That's awesome. That was. That is a very unique way to get into our industry. Yes, yes. That was crazy. And and, you know, you had the full analog workflow. And then, you know, I left the store and he asked me to join in order to make his, uh, he wanted to get into digital. He wanted to be fully digital. That was 2011, something like that. Okay. Yeah. And you know that moment, I didn't even know how many teeth are in the mouth, to be honest. I knew nothing, nothing about it. Why did he ask you? Just because of your computer knowledge? Exactly, yes. Because he was deep into guided surgery and he wanted to, you know, to explore. Yeah, but that that time was not fully digital, you know, was half digital, half analog. We had strange devices to prepare the guides, and he wanted to jump fully digital. So he got a lab scan and he got excited. 2011 2012? Something like that. Wow. Then a million device and then a printer. You know, my job was to make everything work together. You know, and I spent. How did you figure it out? I spent nights over the nights and nights and, you know, it was very practical. You know, I had to make it work. Yeah. It was not, like, theoretical. You know, you maybe come there and say, uh, you know, we need to do this job with this implant system, with this new software, and it had to be ready. It has to be ready in three days. And then I spent the next two nights. Yeah. Figuring out without sleep. Figuring it out. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, at the start, we, you know, it was hard, but after 3 or 4 years, I had, you know, what we call the eureka moment? Yeah, yeah. When everything, you know gets together and you kind of understand better. So what was that moment? Do you. Yeah, I remember exactly. You know, I was I was preparing a guide, and I was seeing this leave. I was, you know, thinking about it. And I realized, you know, we can do this. Manually. You know, we can do this fully, you know, without, uh, you know, following any company. You can do this on our own. And I told him and he was like, oh, good to know. Yeah. Don't tell this to anyone. Yeah. Pay attention. And then. Yeah, it was it was good. You know, we were kind of being, you know, getting more digital and more digital. But the, the only thing we couldn't get rid of was the articulator was the. Oh, Facebook, the real Articulator. And that was the last, the last part. And suddenly we met, uh, you know, the founders of Mojo, uh, that was, uh, in Lyon for, um, for a meeting. And so Mojo already existed. Yes. Well, they existed as a company, but still didn't exist, uh, as a device, because I met we met them. I met them in 2015, and then they released the first, uh, prototype in 2018. And then they got on the market in 2019, in France for that idea. And then, you know, at that moment, there was no, uh, integration. It was something really theoretical, you know, still still practical. You know, still they're already there. But it was more for diagnose. And so what was their theory? What is what what were they working on? You know, the the founder is a dentist is a tool. And, you know, it was struggling to, you know, to have prostheses that were done properly according to the specific motion of the pitch. There was no way to really, uh, design the morphology in an accurate, precise way as the patient is doing the he understood that the Articulator and the Facebook were not enough where something arbitrary that. Are you talking digital or just analog even? It was analog. And then he decided to to move. Digital you know to. And he found this. So semi adjustable articulator wasn't enough for this guy. Exactly, exactly. I realized that, you know, the reality, the way that the patient move is nothing. Nothing like nothing like that. You know, they're just a small distraction trying to achieve something that nobody eats up, down, up, down, up, down. And then no one moves the upper jaw. No no, no. You know, I try, but yeah. That's clear. Yeah. That's funny. And so, you know, he did these patterns about it and then the prototype and then got on the market. And then you know, they got the and this was a physical articulator, you know. Well it's a device is a device is like, you know, motion capture technology okay. Two cameras and these two cameras okay. Points straight to the patient. And you have two trackers. When one tracker stays on the forehead, another tracker stays on the lower jaw. And by the relationship of the of the two trackers, this gets recorded. You just have to import. Yeah. You just import the interval scan of the patient into the into the software. You set the trackers, and then you point the camera to the patient and ask the patient to perform some specific motion. Yeah. And, you know, everything is recorded in 10 to 15 minutes, depending on the case. So you just have them kind of chew for 15 minutes. Well, you start with the open close, then you go with protrusion laterally and then you move to, uh functional motion so you can record the swallowing. You can go to the speech, you can record the chewing. You can really give something to chew to the patient to give them a real chicken nugget or something. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't go with the lasagna or, uh, filet, but no, we give something very small, like a chewing or a small piece of an apple. Yeah, yeah. You know, the skin's 200 microns or the chewing. Chewing gum is about 200 microns when it stays in between the teeth. So you want to see the context as well, but you need to touch the back side of the tongue in order to achieve the real, uh, motion that you want to. And you know, when you when you see that chewing pattern, uh, you will see, like, the angle of coming back of the mandible, coming back in the ICP and almost like a circular motion. Yes. You got the left and right. And that angle actually translates to the slope of the cusp of the molars. Exactly. It's like a gear that works like going on the side and then coming back. And, you know, imagine that when you want to translate this in a new prosthesis, you will have the. Cast down directly in that. In there. I mean, they're rounded for that reason. I mean, because they kind of go up over or down up, over. That's the move. We're doing a lot of hand motions for the podcast that you can't see, but so you capture this data and it goes into Zoc and it goes into three shape, three shape nanotech, you know, all the biggest and then that and then the, the two models will move in that relation on the screen exactly with the same motion of the patient. So well with model you have three things in one. So one thing is the geo tracking device that allows you to record the real motion of the patient, see these on the screen and then send to the CAD and design teeth accordingly. Okay. The second thing is a digital dynamic Facebook. And what I mean with the digital dynamic phase, I mean that when you record with module, you will have all the information to set up your digital articulator and use your digital calculator, not as with an arbitrary positioning, you know, so far I've been doing this so many times. You know, you you have your models, you have your calculator in Xcode, and you take your models and you try to put them in the right position. But this is fully arbitrary, and this doesn't make any sense if you think about it. You know, the hinge, it may not be there. It's just an educated guess. Let's say let's say yes. Yes. So first thing is your tracking device with the real motion of the patient digital dynamic Facebook. So you have the position of the models in the articulator. But as well you can get countless loops beneath angles and use these values to set up the articulator and get much, much closer. And then the question would be why? If I have the real motion, I should use the articulator. That's a very good question. Thanks a lot. Yeah you're welcome I smart question. And the idea is that if the motion is good, if you want just to copy and paste the motion. Into the the the design of the prosthesis. Then forget about the articulator. You have the real motion. You have the real patient. You in there so you will not have to set up any angle. You will just use the real motion and we call it the human articulator. Yeah. And then if the motion of the patient, you know, you want to change it, you want to restore, you want to make it better. Then you use Mojo has a digital Facebook and set up the Articulator and, you know, simulate the motion that you want. Simulate a better motion on the articulator virtual on the virtual articulator. Or for example, you know, sometimes they got patient that they can go to the lateral left perfectly and they cannot go to the right. So I cannot use the lateral to the right. So I can use selectively the left lateral for the left kind of guidance if you want to do so. And then I will simulate the right one if I want, other than just watching the movement, does it like map out the excursions? You have a full dynamic mapping of the. So you get the colors and how exactly you can see the proximity. You see exactly the proximity, and you understand if you know, if you, you know, look at, think about lateral, you will see the exact guidance. If there is any interference, this will pop out on the screen. Interesting. Or when you record a speech, you know same thing interferences these will be there. And last but not least. Modules as well a platform where you can build your digital patient. So we're not talking about only the interval scans files. But we can import as well the CBT and the phase scan. And imagine if the field of view of the CBT is large enough. You can see the relationship between the fossa and the condyle and how this moves. Oh nuts. So and and more more than that, you can use Mojo to set up a new position of the mandible. Imagine, you know, we were doing I was doing a lot of guided surgery. So a lot of time we needed to raise the vertical dimension. And, you know, we were guessing basically 100%. Yeah, it was a bit of a guess. Uh, in this, you know, weight module, you can, uh, use a physiological motion given by the patient, just pose this position on the screen. You know, you can use, uh, you know, a closing motion in the last seven millimeters. If you refer to posted, you will have a pure rotation, you know, if you want to do that way or if you want to use your center correlation or whatever motion you think is good to set up the new position of the mandible, you will just pose this relationship. So. Click a button and you will set this new height as a new position of the menu. You still keep the movement at that new height. Exactly, and the movement will be transferred to the new height. If you open a vertical, does the movement of that byte change? Or is it pretty much always the same no matter what the vertical? This is a good this is a good question. So you need to rely on the same, uh, rules of dentistry. So the range those are the who knows? Yeah. Well, the range of motion. The idea is that if you raise over a pure rotation of the condyle, then you can keep, uh, you can keep that specific motion. So if you keep that opening consistent, you keep that same bite in that same jaw and you think, you know, if you do that, then you have the patient already chewing in the new bite, already chewing, already protruding, already talking. And, you know, these, uh, translate into much, much more predictable morphology for your prosthesis. You know, imagine all the minimum thickness. You don't need to add the function on the day of the fitting. You add the function on the 2D. Yes. During the I mean, during the the design. Oh yeah. That's when you. And that's how you can pimp your, uh, morphology in order to be. Yeah. Exactly what you need. So obviously not a lot of people are using this for just single crowns, right? Or do they? Well, yeah, I wouldn't say for single crowns, but the idea is that we made the technology so easy to use. You can do it on everybody. Yeah. You should you should do this on everyone. You know, it's it's about the first hour. The first visit is ten minutes to have the intro scan, then 10 to 15 minutes to record the motion. And then you still have half an hour, more than half an hour to go with the CBT, with the visit, with the pictures or whatever. But the idea is that a lot of people and a lot of users tell me, you know, this is nice, I will use for full arch. Yeah, yeah. And don't get me wrong, this is perfect. Yeah, yeah, you can get the best source out of that for full arch. Things will break a lot less. But but once they understand how easy it is to record, then they will apply in the first visit. For everyone. You know who's buying these dentist or labs? Well, dentist? Yeah. Your dentist will buy the device and then labs will use the the data. Let's say a dentist buys it and I'm a lab. How do I even know what it is when it comes in? Well, we provide we provide the training so you can rely on us. You know, We provide the training to the dentists on this site, perform a good recording to use the software, and then we provide the specific training for the lab in order to be able to import the data and use the data. But if the lab is a digital one, I mean, if they already use the virtual articulator, they will adapt in a second. Yes, because it's the same exact thing. It's just it's just the real motion. Yeah. You know, it's the same, you know, when you use the virtual articulator, you have a simulation over the motion. And, you know, if you use exact, this will build, uh, uh, an imprint that is a surface that contains the motion. Same thing with the real motion of the patient. So if the lab is digital, they will not even even need to train. Yeah. More more training on the doctor, I'm sure. Yes, they need to. They need to, but others will at the end of the day. You know, it took me 6 to 10 recordings to feel much more confident. And I'm not even a dentist, so, you know, and, you know, and it was used to to hold my hands on my back and watch. But, uh, at the end, it's it's very easy. It's very smooth. That's. That's super neat. I mean, you're the only ones doing this, aren't you? Well, there are other people, but we we. I can say we have a good, uh, experience. Sure. Experience? Sounds like. Why wouldn't you do it? I mean, it should be as common as you know. Facial photos that we don't get is becoming very common. It is becoming. I see. You know, when I started in 2019. 2020. You know, no one was doing that. And now is a is a reality. Let me ask you this. Let's say you're about to do a full arch double surgery. They come in with bad dentition. Can you record that movement? Extract teeth, do implants. Da da da da da da da. Absolutely. And still. That's insane. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. If you have removable prostheses, you just make sure that the prosthesis fit well. Otherwise, you just moving and moving and moving. Then you you just scan them 360 degrees. So, you know, on the internal side, it's like an individual tray. So you have the gum and then you have the situation on the other side. Then you do your recording normally as it was real teeth. But then you can crop the file, you have the prostheses you have and just have the two gums moving. If you have some remaining teeth, you can then extract the teeth, build your workshop, you know, design your workshop. And that's moving that game changer for deliveries of these immediate load temps. Absolutely. It's a game changer. You know we can we say it's the was the the missing link in the full digital workflow. Yeah that's exactly how I approach to it. And and exactly what it is. Yes. So how can people find out more. mojo.com. mojo.com. Mo dji a J.W.. Yes J.W., I know what letters are Mo J.W. sorry. No, it's all good.com I don't know, it's a long day. So yeah. So just check that out and. Yes. And look for, you know, mojo on social media. You got a very active social media page on Facebook on Instagram. And look for us and we'll be happy to, you know, give a specific demo and explain and show our technology. Is there a charge to the lab? No no no no. It's all the dentist. The dentist does that. We just need to know how to use that data. And I don't know why we wouldn't promote dentist to get it. That's what I'm saying. I'm sure. And, you know, on this on on one hand, this is something that by the dentist and the dentist uses diagnostic, but on the other hand, save the technician because, you know, once you have the good relationship of the jaw, the good motion, then you are safe with your minimum thickness. You are safe to, you know, it's awesome. We see a drop in reduce. You know, this is what our. Yeah every little I mean I it's gone because it's always the bite or the excursion movements or whatever. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's it I love it. Well, how do you say your name again? Frederick. Federico. Federico. Yeah. Federico. Thank you so much, sir. I appreciate that. Thank you a lot. Yeah, it was great to be here. Odd job with the w.com. Yeah. Love it. Thank you sir. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye Melissa Everett. Hi there. Welcome to LMT Lab Day Chicago. Day two. Are you still surviving? All right? I am, yeah, especially after last night. Man, we got the big bar. Yeah, the beer fest. Oh, yeah. How was that rockin? Yeah, I didn't make it. I didn't even stop by to get one of the tickets from, uh, alien. And imagine to get in, so. Well, I had the VIP. Oh, what does that mean? That means we got him before everyone else. Oh, how'd you get that, Jen? That was just standing here. Yeah, she's the coolest, actually. She's sweet. She actually knows a lot of people that know a lot of people. Nice. That always nice. Nice to hear. So we're at the Iowa Ballroom. Melissa, I've known you for a while. Yeah. Social media. I think we've met. You mentioned. Tell us your story. So my story is I am a ceramicist. I've been doing it 20 years. But I started when you were, what, eight? Exactly. Yeah. You're welcome. Yeah, exactly. I'm actually 42. You don't have to say that. Nobody can see us. This whole podcast thinks I'm 27. Really? Yeah, I see that. I see that. So I've been a ceramicist. How did you get into it? I got into it because I actually went to college to be a dental assistant. Okay. Um, I literally went to school, and then I was a dental assistant for about a year, and I realized I hated it. Oh, really? I really hate about it, people. Um, well, I got bit, and I, I don't know, it was just. It wasn't my thing. Yeah, but when I first went to school, I thought it would be my thing. Sure. So once you get into it and you realize it's not, I just walked away from that career and just started doing other things with my life. And my parents were mad at me all the time because they're like, you have college bills to pay for. You went to college for this. Why aren't you in this field? So one day my dad went to a wedding, and at the wedding, he was sitting at a table that a woman. There was a dental technician. Oh. And she was telling everybody what she did for a living at the table. And my dad said, what is that, like a dental assistant? She's like, no, I make teeth. Yeah. And he was like, well, that sounds like something maybe my daughter is going to want to do. I'm going to go home and tell her. So she was like, we're hiring. Come down and check it out. So you actually that lady, you actually connected with her. But I wasn't at that wedding. My dad. Yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. So my dad said the next day, he's like, you're going down to that lab. It was Davis and Grand Rapids. I've actually been there. And. Davis. Yeah. So I went down there and I applied, and they hired me right away. But they actually hired me originally to be a partials person. And I kept on saying, when I was in school, everybody told me ceramics is where it's at. How do I get in there? And they're like, oh, you can't get in there. Once you get hired in at a certain department, you don't get to move out of that department into another department. Why? I don't know, that's what they were saying because they're dumb. The department's had like 30 some people. That's a big. It was a big laugh. You know what I mean? It was like the largest in West Michigan. Yeah. But because I kept on voicing that, saying I wanted to be there. All of a sudden, corporate called right after they told me I was hired and said, we're no longer hiring for partials. We can't take another person in and they're like, uh, we just hired somebody and they just went back and quit their job for two weeks. We need to bring her in. And they were like. But she keeps on talking about ceramics. Do we have room over there? And they're like, yeah, we can bring her over there. So I literally went right into ceramics from day one. It's almost lucky that you almost didn't get hired. Like, we can't take anybody else, but it pushed you into what you wanted because I kept on voice. In my opinion. You. Exactly. Okay, so you get into ceramics. Have you done any ceramics at this point? Never. Didn't even know what it was. You just heard the word. I just was told in college, when we were learning stuff in the books, that in the lab field, a ceramics does, like one of the highest paid people. Yeah. And that's all I ever cared about was the money. Okay. Do they give you a color test or anything? Or. They gave us this piece of Play-Doh like a clay thing and told us to make a tooth with it. How'd you do? I obviously passed because I got I got hired. Okay. I'm very artistic. Okay. So you didn't talk about that, so you were already good with your hands? I am like that kind of thing. I'm really good with my hands. I'm really good with, like, doing random stuff. Art. I just didn't think about dental lab stuff. I didn't know it really existed. Yeah. So I get into the job and they immediately start training us by picking up porcelain, just putting it on, layering simple stuff. I started on metal coatings because actually digital didn't exist back then. I was gonna say it's all layered, like iMacs were around, like the pressing and stuff. That stuff was there. But because I was new, they didn't allow somebody like me to do that because that was a like a high end ceramic position. Sure, you had to be like a senior tech to build your way up to the you got to build your. So only like our really good ones got to do that slapping uh, color on posterior FMS. Yeah. And they started me off with ceramic Co two which is an old porcelain. Yeah. So I start learning that and then we bring in a specialist. And he really taught all the newbies how to really be like a precision builder. I brought an outside person in. Yep. They flew some guy into our lab and he would come in like once a month or every couple of months for a whole week. Oh, wow. Sit with us in, like, a training, like, conference room and just, like, really teach us how to be who we are. And because of that, after four years, I became able to do a full production. I could build like 16 crowns from a coping. You touch the iMacs and now then one day they said you can touch the. Exactly. We have too many. Can you help? So I did that for 15 years. 15 years working at NDCs. Davis. Wow. Made my way all the way up to quality control of the porcelain and the crown and bridge. Like, I would check all the work out. And when I realized I got into quality control, I no longer was building. I was just grinding, and I got bored with it. Yeah, that's the worst thing you can do is talented person into something, you know? And at the beginning, I was excited to do that because I wanted always that next level of the job. You always want to push for that next thing. But once you get there, you get bored. Yeah. So I one day just went on. Indeed. And I found a job in Detroit. Okay. And I just up and changed my life. I applied for the job, and they moved me across the state. So now I'm on the other side of the state with no, not in Detroit not knowing anybody. Just moved over there with my family and I start working there. And while I was there, I started hearing about people like working other labs, you know, like, hey, we should get somebody to help us over here sometime. Maybe they'll call it, like, moonlighting or, I don't know, but it a light bulb went off in my head and I said, you're a ceramicist. Why aren't you doing that at other labs? You know what I mean? Instead of us getting someone in here, why don't I go find my lab? Was bringing other people? They were trying to. And I was like other labs. And I was like, why don't I do that? So then I started going around looking for a lab, and I ended up landing at, I think, one of the greatest labs. And that's where I work now, 40 hours. I work for a lab that you think. It's actually, it's a I work for a dentist. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I actually work for the actual dentist. He's a dentist. His name is Remy Jandali, and he's an amazing orthodontist in Southfield, Michigan. I tell you in office technicians are killing it right now. That's what I was going to say. There's only two of us there, and I literally do everything. I am never bored, I do ortho, I do partials, I do grinding in some dentures. We do all on fours all day long. So I'm working with acrylics. I'm working with ceramics. And you see it in the mouth, I see everything. And then you know what the best part is? My remake level is down because there's never a remake. I fix it right there. That's not fair. Of course, your remakes are damned if they say the shades off. Guess what? I'm going back in that lab and quick slap on the right call. Technically, that's a remake, but I hear you. The patient didn't leave with it. They left with that tooth that day. Yeah, that's what I mean. I never have to go. They're going to have to come back in a week and we're going to have to reschedule. I literally knock it out. So you worked in the Detroit lab and this doctor at the same time? Yeah. How long did that happen? That's a lot of action. I did that for over a year. So what you would 9 to 5 at the lab and then 5 to 10. Correct. So then I ended up. You have a family? I have two children. She's. Have you seen them lately? You know, I'm surprised I'm not so white from not getting any sun going outside. Yeah, like a vampire. Wow. So I gotta work. So I work nights. But then I ended up quitting that first lab that brought me down here. Yeah, and then I started working at another lab. Oh, jeez. And I was working for the dentist now. And now another lab at night. Oh, so you reversed the roles? Yeah. And then I would sometimes work till 4 a.m. and then go back to work. Why do you do this to yourself? Because I do love what I do, and I actually. So what I'm noticing is, since I've been pushing myself like that, my skill level has intensified. I am like, way more of a dental technician than I ever was. It's making me a better person. Sure. So now I work for a I quit that. I'm still working at the dentist, but I quit that lab and now I'm working for another lab. But the best part about this new lab is when the four hours is done, I literally just can leave and somebody else will finish grinding it in for me or glaze it after. So you do four hours of just building. That's it. Well, I, I finish metal, I opaque or Degas finished the metal at night. At night. Once I'm done opaque in the metal, I'll build the crowns. And as far as how many I can do. Then I stop, and then someone finishes it after me. Interesting. You're just. I'm out because I'm a ceramics. They need that builder, you know what I mean? People. I'm realizing ceramics are very rare. They're getting to be. Yeah. I mean, they're good ceramics. Yeah. So that's the thing. I just they need builder and grinders. And everybody knows you're working for everybody else during this whole process. I let them know all the time. And they don't mind. No. Because when you work for an in-house dentist, you know, there's so much work, right? Well, I was going to say I'm not. I'm not working for competitors. The only time I work for that competitor is when I'm actually working in a lab that has. Other. You know what I mean? But when you work for the dentist, you're just doing the dentist work. You only do is a solo dentist that's in there. There's actually two dentists in there, but. Yeah. And you do everything that they do. Everything you like doing. Removable. I love all of it. Do you really? I mean, everybody loves a little smell of monomer. We can tell exactly. So how do you maintain all these hours? I mean, seriously, that's. So you work like what? Eight hours and then four hours. So imagine this. How many lab techs have you ever met where they say I'm salary, and sometimes I'm working for free after eight hours, or they're putting in 12 hour days. Oh, they all do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm smart. I'm getting an hourly all day long. I'm doing the 12, but when I leave the one, I'm going to the next. And I'm still catching that hourly. I'm guessing that break between environments probably kind of helps. So you're not 12 hours in one place. So one lab the first 40 hours. Yeah. I'm doing all, like, all on for stuff like that and designing the other lab. I'm just building, like, building crowns. Probably your wind down from the designing and the craziness and the. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like it's the same thing all day long, but yet it's not the same thing. It's complete. It's like I'm still being a ceramics, but in a whole nother yeah way. So that's the diff. Wow. Yeah. So it was exciting to go to Lab Day. I keep on asking myself that. I don't know, what day are you just going to break? Well, I don't know, maybe I'm ADHD. I think I can handle it. We all are a little crazy. Maybe on the spectrum. A little bit too busy to be doing what we're doing. Yeah. You're a whole new level. That's what I've always wanted to say. Because I always wondered how many other people actually have ever worked two lab jobs. Because when I worked for NCS Davis, they made a sign, an actual thing that we could not. Most labs kind of frown upon it because they feel like you're, you know, doing the work, the competitor or whatnot. But even in your situation where, you know, it's an in office versus a lab less competitive, I don't see why if a lab doesn't have the amount of hours and work to provide to a worker. Most labs would welcome a part time employee just to come in and crank out some work. And that's all they. Yeah, that's all about the, you know, the benefits and all the stuff. And just I would love to have someone come into a lab for four hours and just work because everyone else, you know what it is. You're there for eight hours, but you really do about 5.5 hours of work. I mean, just be honest, you know? Yeah, I know. I actually purposely want to sit down sometimes in front of the design computer, just take a break from being in the lab. That's one thing that's nice about that full time job is the computer spot and then the like the bench part two separate. But you're giving yourself a break. Yeah. So you got a lot going on. I'm surprised you had time to come here. I know right. Surprise! Are you leaving today and going? I have work to do on Sunday. Not Sunday, but come Monday. I have a double arch surgery in-house where the patient will come in, have the surgery, get all their teeth removed. Yeah. I will go and design the upper and lower arches and then have them printed tie based and have them back in that patient's mouth by the end of the day. Are you guys doing photogrammetry? No, but my boss was here. He's here right now. He's been looking at some of those systems. How are you getting the scans of the implant and splints? I love the God. Splint is a game changer. I keep on telling him. He was looking at some other, um, scan bodies and stuff here, and I was like, no, stay with the discipline because you can go into an instant model. Awesome. And it's so accurate. Yeah, I'm going to lose all possibility of ever having a photogrammetry sponsor of this podcast because I keep saying why I split. I don't know. It's just something about it. I've seen the other stuff. I've even been in a couple seminars this week where they were talking about their other products, and I was like, I don't know. They don't go into an instant model after I like it huge because you know, exactly. You can verify your fit. And then what's really nice about the split is, okay, so not only are we scanning it inside the mouth, and then I'm putting in analogs and turning it into the model. I then take that model, put it in the desktop scanner, and I scan it again. And when I match it in the computer, I actually know if it was off. I can see where we actually miss scanned in the mouth, and now it's going to be the perfect fit for the all in for that day. It's going in the mouth. So Thursday I talked to the two guys that created opti split. Really? So there's a great episode coming out. But let me tell you something because you just mentioned you scan the optic split in the mouth. You're supposed to take it out and scan it. I think I had no idea. It blew my mind. I was like, wait a minute. What? He goes, yeah, you take it out, you clean it, you dry it, then you scan it and it's a million times easier. And I'm like, shut up. Well, we still do that too. Like I said, we're scanning it outside. No, just just the split. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'll have to talk to my doctor. He's a prostitute. Instructions that come with this thing. Because I had no idea. That's so funny that you say that. Did not know that I've made it so much easier. Especially how tall they are. Yeah, but I think he does. So my doctor, he does one arch at a time. Like he'll start with the upper. Yeah, he'll get it all done. Scan it. Give me that stuff. Yeah. I'll start designing the upper arch while he's now doing the lower surgery. Once we're all done doing that design, then I take that, put that style into another setup and then make that my antagonist. And then I create the lower wow and then boom. Next thing you know, it's on the printer and it's back in their mind. Print it out of. Frozen. We use Rotten Titan on a frozen. Yeah. So the Amazon, it's a it's on a I don't know if it's the Amazon. I didn't know it was for me I did. My boss bought it. But it's like this general printer that people are really doing great things with. We have the mini 8-K. We have too many 8-K. We have one mighty 8-K. The mighty I print models on the minis is where I print my key soft splint and I print the all on fours. So you do all this for eight days and then for four hours you just build. Correct? It's crazy. It's insane. But I will tell you, if I would have stayed back at that original lab, that did make me who I really am. Sure, I would have never been able to do all this, you know what I mean? Those were all separate departments. Now it's all. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, it's it's big lab. Like there was a lab. There was an implant department. There was a ceramic and everything department, I mean, everything department. So I'm never bored, I love it. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I think you need to take a little time off, but that's up to you. Uh, there's a lot of work in. Well, I live and enjoy it. That's the important part. I live in an expensive town, and my rent is very expensive. Okay, well, that, you know, I live where a lot of the hockey players live in Detroit. Oh, the Red wings hockey. Yeah. So we've run into Chris Osgood at CBS. That is. Is that a hockey player? Yeah okay. He was he's retired. Oh he's retired. That's why he was at CVS pharmacy one day getting his pills. Actually, Melissa, thank you so much. I'm so happy I finally got to see you this weekend, and I'm so happy you came on to tell this story. That pretty unique. Thank you. Yeah, I made it here on that bus. Hilarious. Have a great rest of the time and we will talk to you soon. Thank you. This is so exciting for me. We have two past podcast guests. J work. What are those things called that you make a process? I knew that, I knew that. And then. Are you ready for this, Sandra? Mm. No. Press. Press. Jay and Sandra. How are you doing? Good. Yeah. I haven't been in any seminars. You haven't been to any seminar? No. I wanted to go to bagels. Yeah, seminars. But we woke up at 12 yesterday, so. Yeah. Yeah, but you're on a different time zone, so let's let's back up here. Sandra comes from Finland. Indeed. She was on the podcast a long time ago and still holds the record for the most bleeps. Get 45 or something. Something like that. It was a it was a pretty high number. Yeah. Someone counted. That was me. I counted and I even gave a free t shirt to someone that could guess how many. Oh that's great. I think it was 43 or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, let's try not to break that today. And then, uh, J was on a while ago talking about his crows at the crazy metal bendy appliance that nobody in the world makes but him. This is true. Yep. Now that we're all caught up to date. You guys met each other on Instagram? Uh, we didn't really talk that much on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. But we met here last year. So the first time you really, truly met each other was here. Lab day last year? Yes. Yeah. And relationship blossomed. Oh. It blossomed. And now we're engaged. That's insanely awesome. Yeah. I've been to Finland four times. Four times in a year. Yeah, that sounds expensive. Yeah. And I went there two times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So y you just don't see each other for, like, a month and a half, and then somebody flies out. Yeah. Yeah. For now. Yeah. So when is the wedding? I don't think we're going to have a wedding. When you're. When are you going to the courtroom? Yeah, I don't know yet. We're waiting on the paperwork. Oh, all that jazz. Yeah. Hopefully soon. So what's the process? Talk about it. Oh, God. It's awful. It's a it's a lot of paperwork. So what, do you go to the US embassy or do you go to Finland? And then you say, hey, I want because you're coming here to America, right? Sandra. Yeah. We need to apply a visa for me. And then Jay is gonna fill in his form, and then I have to go to an American embassy. Yeah, for an interview and fill in, like, 100 pages. 100 pages. And I had. It's like I had. I have to write down all the addresses I lived after I turned 16. Why do they care? I don't know. I don't know. And it's like you have to take yes or no. Are you gonna be a prostitute here? Really? Was that a question? Yeah. Are you gonna, you know, sell guns and drugs? Well, wasn't that your career choice here in America? I mean. So what is the plan? Are you going to come in and help him in his lab? I'm going to be a triad wife. You're going to be a wife. Triad wife? A Trag wife triad. Like a traditional wife. Oh, a traditional. So what does that mean? What is a traditional wife anymore? What is? Who can clean and have babies? Yeah. Yeah. And I can't have. But we're gonna try. Yeah. It's worth a shot, right? Yeah. We're gonna we're we're trying. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah. So, Jay, talk about the first time you went to Finland. How was it? Interesting. Yeah. It's your first time over there, I imagine. Yeah, yeah. It's, uh. Everyone's quiet. Really? Yeah. I was really nervous to, like, order beers and stuff, but everyone speaks English anyway, so that was a surprise. Your first concern was, how am I going to get alcohol? Oh, it was one of the first. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. It's it's a lot different. They're everyone's private. Yeah. You know, more polite, maybe, in a way, because everyone kind of just kind of leaves each other alone. Yeah. So that part's cool. It's a lot cleaner than America. Yeah. There's trash cans everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, but you don't want to live there. I would, but, uh, shipping out of there is not cool. So you would still be slow and expensive, so you would still do what you do, but over there, shipping back to America. Yeah. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, it's easier for her to get a visa to America than to get one for Finland. Really? I think so. If we got married there, it wouldn't. It doesn't matter. They don't have a K-1 visa. Oh, interesting. So where are you going? To get married? Here or in Finland? Here, I guess. Here. Yeah, but you're first going to do the paperwork. I don't know how this process works. Yeah. What's the series? 90 Day fiance. Oh, I know of it. I've seen a little bit of it. It's awful. So from what I understand, you guys just fight all the time. Yeah. Yeah, if that's what happens on the show. Yeah. One of you cheats on the other one a lot. Cause I see that on the show. Yeah, that's why we couldn't get in. 90 day fiance. Hey, my coworkers hope that we're gonna go take part of this series. I will say, Sandra, you wouldn't be a good character on that show. I mean. I mean this as a compliment, by the way. But I don't think they want to show us. Just getting de drunk. And being happy, you know. Remember that old MTV show where everyone just lived in the house? Oh, yeah. Real world, real world. Yeah. I always joked that if I was on that show, they'd be like, where is he? He's just in. He's watching TV. It's boring. I wouldn't do anything, you know? I wouldn't create drama. I wouldn't try to get it. It'd just be like just sitting there. I feel like that show started reality TV. It did, I think. That's weird. So we're not going to do that? No. So what do you think? Coming to America. You been to where he lives, which is, uh. Where is it? Pennsylvania. Perkasie. Perkasie, Pennsylvania. Yeah. What do you think of Pennsylvania? I love perkasie. It's like a small town. There's a lot of nature. Yeah. I was there last July for two weeks. It's kind of hillbilly. Maybe that's most of America. Yeah, but it's not quite pennsyltucky. But it's. Yeah, it might as well be. Yeah. Oh, today we were sitting at the top bar, and I went to grab more beer, and I was waiting. And then this one guy was talking to me, and then. At some point I had to say that I'm not American. And he was like, yeah, what? I thought, you're from Kentucky, Kansas, Kansas. They thought you were from Kansas. Why? I don't know. You have a you have a look that's not unique to any state. I mean, and again, I mean that as a compliment. I mean, interesting. Kansas. Kansas. So have you gone anywhere else in America other than Chicago and Pennsylvania? Did you take her to a museum or anything? Or. What do you know you don't do, though? No. We walked a lot in the nature, in the forests and rivers and stuff. Yeah. I don't like sightseeing. We tubed down the Delaware River. Oh, that was pretty neat. Yeah, well, New York, obviously, because I land. Oh. Do you fly to New York from Helsinki? Go around New York or just. No. We just drove through it. It was awful. You guys are so similar. Like, I don't want to be with crowds. I don't want to see this. Just put me out in the woods. Last time I was in Finland in January. Beginning. Yeah, the first week. So I took him to make my step parents. Yeah. And how'd that go? Great. It was fun. Yeah. They're awesome. And she's. My mom said that he's so not American. He's more of a Finn. It's like being quiet. Yeah. Keep on talking now. Yeah, I guess that's a good quality. Yeah. Did you meet her dog? I did, I love that dog. How do you know that dog? Instagram. Okay. That scruffy dog that's at the lab. I got her a chew toy that was like a giant cigarette. I don't know if you saw that. I think I did see that. Yeah. So when you were visiting, did you set off to work or did you take time off? Did you go in and help? I did go in and help. Did you really? For one, one day? Yeah. Last spring you came. I had to go in on a Saturday, I think, to finish some case cases. And then I made you help me. Yeah, I just polished polish. Yeah. Every removeable tech will get anyone to help them polish. Yeah, but, yeah, last time I didn't, a Monday was. Free day. I don't know some Jesus day that you can get off this day. But it was. I didn't get off from work last time. I'll say your English is a lot better than it was when we had you on the podcast first. Fuck. Thank fuck. I asked Jay at some point that he's been talking to me every day so he doesn't hear me finish. It's so fucking hard. Oh my God. But I mean, I guess the answer is yes, but it's it's really hard. A couple of curse words. They're easy to remember. And you do like a book. Like a tape or I got I got this, this app. Yeah. So the, like babble and stuff, they don't even offer finish without like, extra paying extra money. It's only the big but popular ones. It doesn't make any sense yet. So. But the last sentences that you try to learn to say, it's because we have this deal at my lab that one of our coworkers. He said that when he's going to win in the lottery, he's gonna plead, your assholes pay for it. Oh, okay. And then one of my coworkers, she moved to another town, and then we made a deal that she gave her bleach to Jay. Oh. Lucky Jay. So I learned how to say, hey, have you won the lottery yet? And then when the guy says, no, I said, because my soul is waiting. So how do you say that? Oh, let go your voice in it, latosha. But I forget the second part. That's. Have you won the lottery? Yeah. The second part is the one that's funnier. Yeah. Say, the second part. Yeah. She does a little better. You need more of that? Yeah. The the language doesn't make any sense yet, but. Hopefully it will. Are you taking his last name? Yeah. Oh, you have a great last name, though. I don't have a middle name. I only have one first name. So you'll make your last name. Your middle name? That's pretty common. No, no, listen. Sorry, I thought it's it's like I could take a second name. It could be. Does not sound or does not work. That's not bad, wife. You know, that's hilarious. Someone put some thought into this, or Sandra will work for money. Oh, there you go. Endless. Your middle name could be. You need to pay me if you want me to. Now we're getting it. But are you just gonna work in his lab? And you guys are gonna. Because you're by yourself, right? Yeah, well, I have I have enough work for two people. Yeah, and you do what you do. It's pretty, uh, so pretty crazy what you do. And pretty sensitive. Do you think you can do what he does? I'm gonna try to learn, but at the same time, there are quite many labs. So I could maybe find a place to do removals. And another lab in the area. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Or you could start doing removable from your lab. I know, but my lab's in my apartment, so it's. It's time to expand, you guys. Yeah. Start a family. Buy that house in the suburbs. Two and a half garages. Try for children and try and try. All right, Sandra, calm down. Geez, I can't. I see him only every two months, you know. Oh, boy. I'm imagining you're probably not going to use much of this. We'll see. So what's the time frame? What's the. Are we expecting paperwork to come through in a month? Two months? Is it years? Well, if you look it up, it says that it could be 3 to 15 months, so. Yeah. And it started. I mean, it's all submitted. No, I didn't submit it yet. Oh come on. I keep getting it. It's much worse than you think it is. So I think I'm actually gonna go to a lawyer and they can, like, do it for you. Well, it's pretty much done, but I just want to make sure there's no, er, nothing wrong. Yeah, I think they can expedite it too. But last thing you want to do is go through the whole process to forgot. You check a box or something. Yeah, yeah, I have to go to an interview. That's going to be weird. Yeah. And I need to, you know, up my game. I can't just. You can't go be me. I need to try to be a decent person. Yeah, you got to remember. You got to say yes and not. Yeah. Yes. Right. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. It was last time I flew to New York. I have to go through customs and sometimes there's a long line. Yeah. A yes, long line. This time there weren't anyone there. Oh, no, I just got through. But last time I waited over an hour. And then the custom dude there was, like, an older guy, and he was, like, really serious. And he took my passport, and he was like, do you speak English? And I was like, yep. And then he just looked like. And I was like, yes, sir. But he was really nice. We talked like 15 minutes. We wanted to make sure you could speak English. Yeah. Yeah. But the look he gave me when I was like, yeah, I should have said yeah. Yeah. Then he'd be like, yeah, she's pretty much American. Yeah. From Kansas. Kansas, obviously. Well, I'm not that freaked out now. I've been to the States so many times that if you go to a restaurant or something, I actually talk. Oh yeah, she made small talk with a waitress this morning. Why wouldn't you even back when you were on the podcast originally, you could have. We had a whole conversation. Yeah, but I was so freaked out. So now you're making small talk with people. I'm ready to, you know, move here. And small talk is something that doesn't exist in Finland. Really? Yeah. If you like, get on an elevator with someone and you say like, oh, how about the weather today? They would look at you like, why the fuck are you talking to me? Really? And Jake tried to fist bump one of my friends and he just moved away. Like, what the fuck? They don't fist bump over there. No, they don't do anything like that. Is strange. Yeah. No. Yeah. Are you sad to leave Finland? No, no, we can always go back. Yeah. Well, sure. We talked with one of my friends. They're cool. They want to. We talked about, we could all four of us buy a summer cottage. So in Finland. Yeah. So we can go there in the summertime. That'd be nice. Yeah. And they're cool. So. Yeah. Yeah. So are we gonna see the the. It's not a wedding. What are what are we going to call it? The court. Okay. Well, we see the official drinking happen on Instagram, so we all know what happened. No, no. Okay, well, we'll send you a private message. Yeah. Let us know. Yeah. It took a while to, you know, announce the engagement anyways, because why? We don't do that. Yeah. You're you're very private people. We just. We told our friends to close friends, I guess. Yeah, but not right away, because we don't do that. Okay, well, you're telling a podcast now. Yeah. It's out there, and we're all going to be waiting for the official word. Yeah, I'm going to say. Yeah, if they ask me. There you go. Do you want to marry this man? If you're doing it in a court. And I got married in a court, like with a judge, they ask you the same questions. I mean, what kind? What do you mean? Well, they it's very formal, but they still ask you, do you want to be, you know, her husband and you want to be his wife. Boom. Yeah, very. It's very by the script. And quick. When you're done, you're like, that was it? Yeah. Okay. Bye. You can say, yeah, can I? I don't see why not. And you can say, I think I don't have a choice. Amazing. Yeah. I can use the foreigner card. It's like I can say. Yeah. Even though you shouldn't say fuck. Yeah. You could just say. Because I'm not lost in translation. Yeah, I use that card. It's like I'm Estonian and I've lived in Finland for 15 years now. Yeah, but it's like, I don't feel like I'm not finished, but I use the foreigner card. Yeah. Every time I need, if I fuck up. Yeah, I just say sorry. You can tell. Oh, no, I said fuck her. And that's Finnish for love. And they'd be like, okay, yeah, you know what I mean? I'm gonna use that card. Over and over and over. Yeah. 20 years from now, and no one will even know. Your accent's completely gone. You're still going to use it? I don't think it'll be gone. No, I don't either. I hope you never lose it. Me too. I don't have an. It's like Finns don't realize I'm not a fin. But I don't talk Estonian at all. So I've just learned to speak Finnish through working through my friends. Sure. So I haven't learned the language, but I've just. I have the Central Finland accent, but when I get tired or too drunk, then it starts sounding like I'm not finished. And when I get drunk, it starts to sound like I'm finished. Are you guys doing anything here at Lab Day or just being together? Um. You. Seriously? We went to the torture museum. That's fun. Yeah. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. There's a there's one class I want to take on Saturday morning. Tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Tomorrow? Yeah. Maintaining your 3D printer. Oh, there you go. How'd you clean it? Uh, I I'm not sure what it involves, but hopefully I make it. Are you here for any classes or. You know. Well, I wanted to go to the bigger ones. That's right. Yesterday, you guys didn't get up till noon? No. Yeah. And there was one, like a bit later. But that was like for beginners how to design the frames and I. I think you know how to design a frame. Yeah, but it would have been nice to go there but. Mhm. Yeah. Maybe next year. Next year you could be living in the States I hope so I hope so. We still haven't figured out how I'm going to get my dog here. Can you just fly a dog. It's a lot more than we thought it would be. Like domestically. You can but that's right. Remember when Johnny Depp got really big in trouble for taking his dogs to Australia? No. Yeah. He got, like, a huge trouble because he didn't do all the paperwork, so. Mm. Yeah. Yeah, the paperwork's not that bad. But it's like with Finnair it's like I don't want to put my girl in it underneath. Yeah yeah yeah. And it's like she's like six kilos. That doesn't say anything to you. But it's like he's less than a carry on. Yeah. Max's so she should be able to fit under the seat. But that's. Yeah, that's the rule. Whose dog fits under the rule for mine. They're all like this big. Yeah, but what do you put putting them in a shoe box or something. A paper bag, so I haven't. I, I, I don't know. And then I guess you can get take a bow. I was gonna say come over by boat. I mean, I don't know how much that is. And that's probably like I fly to France or it's probably a three month trip. I don't know how long it takes to get my boat. Is that it? I don't know, but it's fucking expensive, I bet. So we don't know yet. It's like in my brain. I could just buy a seat for her and she could get one of those things. It's a therapy dog or something. Right. I checked that service dog. Yeah. It takes two years in Finland to get it. Get one from America. No one's gonna look at that. Yeah. Oh. That's right. People just buy em on Amazon, strap em on their dog, and all of a sudden it's a service dog. And you could tell that dog is not a service dog because it's crapping in the middle. But even even at the airport. Even at the airport. I don't know about that. Don't ask me, but I'm just saying, you know, you go to the mall and someone has it and you're like, yeah, that's not a service dog. Yeah, we might have to fraud our way into the. Yeah, into the country. What could go wrong? It's like people bring babies. Yep. They don't have to buy a seat for them. They don't have to tuck them under the seat. No. And they're loud. They piss and they poop. They're worse than dogs. Yeah. Yeah. By far. I don't know. We'll figure it out. Yeah, you'll figure it out. You'll get the dog over. Do you have a dog? No. Okay, so you're gonna welcome this dog? Yeah. Yeah. I have a turtle. Yeah. It's so unexciting. Yeah. She just hangs out. Do you want to show Elvis the tattoo? Oh. Oh. We had. We had a deal that we designed tattoos for each other, and it was a surprise. Oh, can you see this? Well, it's a turtle. With whose head is that? Christian Bale's Christian Bale's head. And the turtle's given the finger. Yeah, that's what I designed. What are you designing for? Her? Oh, she has it. What is it? A slide whistle? Yeah, we brought that last year. I don't know if you were victim of it, but I was going up behind people, and I think I escaped that. Okay. Yeah. Not that I'm sad or anything. And I, j brought it to me, and now I took off. At the hotel but in in in Finland, in the airport, in the customs they were like what is it? And I was like, it's a whistle. And they took it behind it somewhere and they were like checking it out. Did you hear it behind their like. So they tested out. I guess they did some drug tests, but I got it back. Yeah. So I have this bad boy. I love that thing. 3D printed little guy at the middle finger, I guess. With legs. With legs. Little legs. What do you mean, you guess? It's amazing. Look at those cheeks. It's. It's pretty glorious. It's great. Makes me want to start working out. Oh, do you want to see what I got from Mandy? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. No. For from. No, you don't want to see it from Mandy. For. Mandy. From from. Do you want to guess what it is? Well, I mean, I know what it is, but it's a lie. It vibrates. It's vibrating. Opening. Okay. From two 2710 to 2715. We're going to cut that out. I love Mandy. Are you going to use that on. What am I who am I asking? I'm gonna. Yes you are. When I go back, you're going to walk outside just to light other people's cigarettes. I hope they don't take it from you when you go back to the airport. Why would they? I don't know. They took some of my letters when I last time. Only I can only have one light. Yeah, I think you can. Are you allowed to check those? I don't know. One of them is you can't take. That's an explosive. Basically, you know, so you can't take it one way or the other, but you either need to check it or carry it, and you need to figure out which one. Yeah, is more likely to make it, but I bet you just checking on luggage. I bet you it's checking you. They let you check a lot more guns? Yeah, things like that. You check, but you can't have, like, your laptop and your checked luggage. That has to be in your carry on. I don't think so. No. I thought they asked you if you had, like, batteries. Lithium batteries. Everyone's like, nope. And I don't know what the batteries are lithium or not, I don't know, but I don't have one, you know. Well, I guess we'll find out. You could ship it or just keep it here until you get here. It's so glorious. I want to, you know, I have to show it to the world, to my lab. All right, everybody. What a great conversation. We talked about so much t c o j. I'm so happy for you guys. Thank you. We're gonna go grab a beer. There you go. And we're going to send someone down here who was embarrassed to come down here. Oh, yeah. Jake. I wasn't gonna call him out, but I have no idea who that is. Is that, uh, Justin's? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I talked to him last night. Yeah, I get him down here. Oh, yeah. It's like we went to the torture museum. It was me, Jake, Jake and Mandy. It was quite a crew. I mean, I bet you there's now a new warning on the door. Yeah. All right guys. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. God a huge thanks to Iva Clarke and everybody that sat down with Elvis at LMT lab de Chicago. I tell ya, Federico is right. Digital has done a great job to capture everything, but actual jaw movement was the last piece, guys. Check out more how Mod Jaw can help you at mod your mod. And I thought I worked a lot. Well actually I know I work a lot, but wow. Melissa takes it to a whole new level and if you love it as much as she does, it doesn't always seem like work, which I do agree with that as well. And Sandra and Jay, oh my God, I'm so sorry I missed the opportunity to participate in that conversation. I watched you guys on Facebook. You go, so so cute. But we both Elvis and I wish you guys the best and we can't wait to see you both together forever and prove that there can be love in the lab and overseas. All right, everybody, that's all we got for you. Next week we get back into our solo conversations for a while and IDs and IDs. So we'll talk to you guys. Yeah. It's probably the funniest, most awkward conversation ever, I'm sure. The views and opinions expressed on the voices from the Bench podcast are those of the guests, and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the host or voices from the bench, LLC.