Hey, voices from the bench community Jennifer Ferguson from I'm Here with a quick shout out to all programming, PM seven users and those thinking about joining the club on July 1st. We launched the AI block module that's powered by intelligent automation that optimizes tool paths and saves you serious time. I'm talking up to 45% faster milling. You want to know what the best part is? You can try it for free for 90 days. No pressure, no commitment. Do you want in? All you have to do is shoot us a message on Instagram at. Or you can email me at Jennifer Ferguson and we'll get you set up. Welcome to voices from the bench, a dental laboratory podcast. Send us an email at info at voices from the bench and follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Greetings and welcome to episode 382 of voices from the bench. My name is Elvis. And my name is Barbara. And it is 95 degrees here in sunny Florida. Well, we also have to mention you're coming to us live from the Publix parking lot, which is like a big deal in Florida for grocery stores. It's like, you people love your Publix. We do, we do. And I love our podcast. And I'm like, you know what? I'll pull in and we'll do it right now. I love it. How are you? I'm doing really well. You went for a run, huh? Yeah, I did, and now it's storming really bad. So, Indiana, you take it when you can get it. Yeah. And what about you? You just came from the beach, you said. Yeah. We crossed directions today. So you went for a run, and I went for a run. And then I went to the causeway for about an hour and thought I was going to die. What's the cause? It's like, um, road with water on both sides, leading out to, like, an island out where I live. So you kind of just pull off the road and pull out a chair and get some sun. It might be a little bit redneck, but. Yes. Can you run on that road? Yeah, I used to when I was younger. Yes, absolutely. They've got a running trail. It goes all the way out to, uh, Honeymoon Island is what it's called. It is. It's really cool, Elvis. I haven't done that in probably 20 years. I feel super awesome. Let's step it up. Let's let's have you run that road next time. Okay, 95 degrees, sweating, getting sun, feeling the salt in the water. I could see it. I'm with you. Yeah. And that brings us to the race. Oh, absolutely. I was going to say. Speaking of running. Yeah. Race for the future is coming up yet again. For those who have been listening to the podcast for a while, you know about it. Yeah. Um, this amazing annual event is on its 11th year. Yeah. And just like last year, it's back in Fort Worth, Texas, September 14th. So this is the same place that we had it last year. Barb, you didn't make it right. Yeah, I know, I had somebody pass away, so. Yeah, this is amazing in Fort Worth, Texas because for years we did it in Chicago. And Chicago is like the biggest triathlon in the country. Yeah. And you would like to see everybody? Yeah. We'd all meet up at like 530 in the morning. Yeah, yeah, we're all ready to go and then you'll never see them. Right. This is a lot smaller. It's a lot better. So last year I was on a team with Mark Williamson and Bobby Kenny. We were called the abutments. We know. And we raised a record amount of money for the Foundation for Dental Laboratory Technology this year. The team kind of fell apart. Okay. We lost what I like to call the. But part of abutments. Bobby can't make it. But fear not, Mark and I found other people stupid. I mean, willing to come on our team. Good, good. We have Brandon Smith, who's joining us this year. He's going to be our swimmer. And it's. Yeah, he's at the dental association's lab in Ohio. And then Mark's wife, Ali Williamson, our favorite person in the world, elite training and education. She's like, you know it. You know it. She's going to be joining us. So this year they actually don't have a relay option, which is kind of odd. But you can do individuals. So I'm running a 10-K. Mark and Ali are running the five K and Brandon still wanted to swim. So that's our team. I love it. Are you ready for this? Our new team name is the Crown Jewels. Nice. And you're doing it this year right? What do you do when you do in the 10-K? Um, I really don't want to ship a bike, so. And I'm not sure I want to compete with you because you're way too fast. So. Yeah, probably the 10-K, maybe the five. But yes, I will be there. Trust me, I'm not fast these days. I don't believe I don't know what happened. I've ran with you before, and you all I did. That was a long time ago. Yeah. So, everybody, it's now time to open up them wallets and give again to the foundation of dental laboratory technology. It's a great cause that supports this industry that we all love. So there'll be a link on this episode, show notes with instructions on how to donate and how to get involved. And if you are up to racing. Like I said, there's A5K at this thing. Come join us, for crying out loud. Just join us. Great great great great. Yeah, people, we have a lot of fun. Good dinner the night before. It's just great. Yeah, but this week we continue to bring you some more great conversations we got while at the Expo card booth at IDs 2025. So first up is a returning guest that we had on just in September of last year. And wait until you hear about all the amazing things she has done since then. I think she might have brought me to tears in that conversation. I always think she heard. Yeah, Jade Connors is a dentist in Canada, but her philosophy for having a balanced life in creating the work environment that you want has driven her to be all the way in Germany, competing in the Kandola. I'm going to do my best here. Isn't work competition. I'm sure I said that wrong, but just think of it like a denture competition. Jade stops by to update us on her life. Her choices to be an influencer rather than a cable. Working on better mental health and helping patients more than just making them adventure. All of that and a little dirty denture talk to. Then we meet Lisa Aguirre, the marketing director for Roland DGA. You know, the company that makes the really, really nice meals that is basically in every lab. Lisa comes on to talk about her starting in a dental office, working with Spear education, then starting as a product manager for Rowan. She also gives us the history of Roland, which is pretty amazing how dental is just a piece of a very big pie. And what new mills and printers they were launching at Ides. So join us as we chat with Jade Connors and Lisa Aguirre. Voices from the bench. The interview. Yesterday was quite the long day, but today Elvis and I have been very busy and we're very happy because we would rather be talking to people. Yeah. Okay, you go with the introductions. Jade. Conner. Oh, all the way from Canada. In Germany. Jade is back. What do you know, a number episode? Yeah. What was it? It was like a year. Oh my gosh. It was last August. You don't know that. You don't have it, like, tattooed on you. I mean, do you want me to get paid for that tattoo? You don't have to look it up. I was just kidding. Okay, okay. Well, it was quite a number of episodes ago. I'm sure while you guys have been talking to a lot of people, which is great. Well, I just told Jade, I said ever since we talked to her, I who am not, like, totally great with Instagram. But I see you everywhere and I love your videos. You're so real the way that you speak to the camera. So real. And your charisma and your energy like it's just like a no brainer. I mean, that I'm getting goosebumps, but yeah. So congratulations. It's really good to have you here. What is your Instagram handle this Jade. It's jade. Okay I want to make sure self-titled there I forget what people's Instagram handles are because they just. They're there. Yeah. No, I tried to make it pretty simple, but I guess a lot of people actually don't know what an RTT or a DX is because they're very Canadian specific titles. Registered dental technician. Yeah. And then Didi denture designate denture or what I go with on the side is denture dad, because that's kind of more my energy. I like it. I don't know, my dad was very much a I'm gonna go into the garage and see if I can fix it. And, uh, so I really feel like how you go about dad. Yes, exactly. I'm like, I can fix this. Uh, you know, it's just kind of a cute, little kitschy way of, like, helping people out with that, you know, kind of gentle energy being like. Yeah, I got you. You know, don't worry. Yeah. We can duct tape something together. Hopefully not the duct tape, but, you know. Well, not that people haven't tried. They have brought all sorts of things into me. I've seen stapled. Oh. Superglued. Stapled. Superglued. Wood glue. Nail polish. Wood glue. Wood wood glue. I could see that working. No, I could see it, like, opaque. And it was bubbly. And the dentures are not even lined up anymore. And you're just like, how did you get to this part of your life? Why did you wear this? Did you not think of me before you did this? Jane, you're in Germany, and I tried to get my picture fixed and you were out of town. I know, I know, I've already had a couple of people, like messaging me, being like, when are you back? I'm like, I'm never coming back. I'm just kidding. I'm coming back, I'm coming back. But, uh, so far, um, I was going to say so far Europe has been amazing, but a little bit of a lie because I've had gastritis. Yeah. You got real sick. Yeah, yeah, I know my gentle, uh, stomach biome just could not handle German food. German? I don't think it's not handling the German food because no shade to German food, but, uh, we're going with a little more bland palette on that. Yeah, I think that it might be my soft stomach and not being able to handle the hard water. So now we're having bubbly water together. That might be what's wrong with me, because I my stomach's been crazy as well. And I love sensitive food. So you just the currywurst. The. The currywurst is like something I'm just in love with. How about you? I had some, uh. Well, uh, I had horse in Brussels just because I could. Oh my goodness. I thought it was interesting. I can't even wrap my head around. Nothing special. But since being here, I mean, just the sausage I had, like, a raisin raisin, uh, marinade, and something was so good. Yeah. The, uh, boiled apples is good. I mean, that sounds great. I just stayed up way too late last night. So last night. Last night was my one night that I stayed up way too late. Went on a bender. Yeah. So I'm feeling better now. That's good. More bubbly water. Maybe. This is doing. I'm drinking water all day. That's it. We love it. So how has life changed for you since we talked to you? Oh, not much. Right? I know a million things have happened since I last saw you. Yeah, I see a lot of videos. Well, I mean, last year when I talked to you guys, I was, um, really hopeful to start being able. Yeah, to lecture more. Um, the first one that I did, um, outside of my hometown was, uh, in Vegas. So the NDA, uh, told us about that. Yeah, that was just about to do. Just about to go. So what year was this? That was last year. Okay. 2024. Nervous? Or were you just like, I'm slaying this, I'm slaying it. That's cool. And it's so funny. I'm a little bit of like a quirky character. I guess when people give me a stage and a microphone. Yeah. Um, so that's why it works. It's Vita's fault for arming me with such things and bringing me to various different places. September of last year, we haven't even gone, oh, eight months. Wow. Okay, that actually hasn't. It feels like so much has happened in such a short period of time that at the time we talked to you that National Denture Association, that was all that was on your plate? Yes. Yeah. That was the only thing that was kind of coming up for me. I had accepted the challenge of doing the I cannot say it for the life of me, the concern worth um, uh, competition with Kandola. Yeah. Are they announcing that this weekend? I saw that. So I'm a finalist. Um, congratulations. Yeah. So my fingers are crossed. I'm very happy to see her. Compared to the others. I was looking at them. She's going to kill it. I really, I really wanted I really wanted to make something that people wouldn't forget. And I've had people be enthusiastically like, well, you've done it because it's the only one there that is covered in rhinestone, bedazzled, not the not the actual denture, but the model work. Yeah, I did the articulatory. Did you see that? Yes. I'll show it to you. But yeah, it's, uh, definitely, uh, giving blinged out and attention grabbing. And how did you come up with that? You were just like, this is. Have you met Jane? That's right. I did. Oh. That's okay. I'm just showing you a picture here. So what is this competition? They. Anybody can join it, and they give you a criteria like, hey, we need a scenario. Yeah, a patient scenario. Yes. So essentially, they send out a little box once you have requested it. And it comes with all of your records and prescription and everything that you need to complete. Uh, and then, yeah, a scenario of a patient case with photos and whatnot. And then you have to build a denture with it. So the challenge like write up a description or debate. Oh, yes. And I feel like when you are doing a competition, um, me and Elvis were talking about it last night. Yeah. About, you know, why these competitions are even there. And it's such an incredible learning opportunity. It's really something that helps you elevate yourself and test and challenge yourself. And, you know, having to have something, um, judged. Judged. Yes. Having something really deeply like, looked at and judged and then also having documentation for you to kind of like, back up, uh, you know what? You've created your work. You have to show your work. Yes. It's like school. So I feel like the entire process was such an enormous learning opportunity for me. I learned so much. Uh, it's funny, I definitely I posted something on my Instagram after I basically finished setting my case and everything, and it's. The moment in the matrix where it's like, I know kung fu. It's I know how to make Gerber dentures. That's cool. So, um, yeah, not as quick as downloading like neo, but I had taken the Candler training in Switzerland, which is. I highly recommend anyone to look into that. I took the power week there and they were there for a whole week. A whole week? Yes, absolutely. But they have an incredible, um, facility there where you get to learn with the teachers, you get to build a denture, and they are the most incredible hosts. So I highly recommend anyone you know if they have interest in really elevating their denture game. Go to Switzerland. Well, yeah, if you can. Easier said than done. Yeah, I had to kind of scrape together a couple of my pennies. Wait, pennies don't even exist anymore. Yeah. Um, not really, but a a small mountain of pennies. Yeah. In order to go buy. So when did you go there? Great. Uh, that was in October. So it was like, right before Halloween. Yeah. Yeah. So if we talk, probably August, September, end of August. And then you decided to do this because I don't think you mentioned this. Like, it was like a whim. You're like, it was, uh, I mean, there are many, uh, choices in my life that are a whim, but definitely within the last, um, year and a bit, I found that, you know, if there's training or if there's something that, you know, I have space and time and accessibility to go and do, I'm going to go and make it happen. Yeah. So I had been thinking about going to do this Power Week. Uh, and then I just finally made the jump. I was like, you know what? I'm not going to regret it. Yeah, it's something that I will use and, like investing in my future like this. Um, and I'm so happy that I did. Um, do you have a practice? I do what you just like. Sorry. Shut down. Well, here's another thing. Again, I'm not a very typical denture. Yeah, I've kind of started to look at my career and my life is that I'm an artist, right? And I am. I am an artist through and through. And I don't run the typical business I think that most people are striving to do. I want to have a life that makes me really happy. That, um, means that I get to learn and travel and experience new things and create, you know, art outside of denture work as well, but also helping people to reach their smile goals. I love it. I have, you know, I have a very good life. Um, but I've just decided that if people really want my work and they really love me and they're being intentional about that, they're going to wait, oh, wait, they're going to wait for me. And they do. Right. So, um, what about your employees? Uh, it works for them, too. You know, I have just, uh, an administrator that works with me part time. Okay. So I used to have, you know, the typical 9 to 5, which is never actually 9 to 5 for business. That's not really either. Yeah. You guys just go on my Instagram stories. You'll see I'm there until 11:00. Okay. You know, but I think it's one of those things where it's like, you work hard, you play hard, and at the end of the day, you can design your own life. I don't have to work the same way that everybody else does. I want to create a life of meaning. And I do. Yeah. So I mean, last year and again, maybe this will shock people. I think I took probably like three months off last year. Like with all of my various trips and traveling and whatnot and being able to just, you know, support myself and just doing enough work so that I can live the baseline life that I want. I don't need to be a multi-millionaire. I don't want to, you know, buy a big house and have a wife and two and a half kids. That's not my future. And I respect people that that is what they want. Everyone gets to decide what that is. Yeah. Um, but for me, it's really powerful to be able to be like, yeah, I want to go to Switzerland. Yeah. And I want to go and learn some really different and new things. Um, even coming here to Germany, I built an entire trip around this. I never got to do my Euro trip when I was 20. Um, so my friend actually flew from the Philippines. Uh, she was touring in Asia for four months. Her name's Emily. Thank you. Emily, we love you. Um, and she has come to travel with me for this for a month, so I took another month off. You're doing this for a whole month. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And so what? What what do you mean, this? Are all of Germany or all of the touring? Touring? So I just was in London. Okay. Um. And then I had family that's in London, so I visited them, and then I went to Berlin, where I had gastritis. And I'm still having the lingering effects of that. I don't recommend it. Yeah, I don't recommend gastritis. Okay. Okay. I went. I was going to, but now you convince me not to. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Most people, most people go to Berlin and then by proxy of that, get sick. You don't go to, you don't start off sick and then go to Berlin and then stay in your room gets worse. That's not that's not the energy. So I don't recommend that. Well, I'm glad you're feeling better. A little bit better. I got some medicine now, so we. We love that we missed something. You were talking about the National Insurance Association? Yes. And now you're at IDs? Yes. That's a hell of a job. Yes, yes. So, my my, um, Europe tour has obviously brought me and is centered around this trip. Sure. Um, which after here, I'm going to Amsterdam, Barcelona and Lisbon. And so, yes, I'm going on a charade with my friend Emily. Barcelona is amazing. We're so excited. Yeah. So excellent. We're so excited for it. So. But coming back to Cologne. Vita Germany brought me here, um, along with Germany. So how did they find you? Very excited. Yes. Yeah. So it's. I mean, I love that, right? Because you don't have to be just one. No. And I think that's something that I would really like to speak on for a second, too, because, um, as I've been coming into the community and coming into the industry a little bit deeper, and obviously I'm hearing and I do understand that, like there are conflicts or politics that kind of follow companies and whatnot. And, um, you know, kind of as a person who's just like, I'm here to just make really great teeth, right? There are so many companies that, um, you know, support that journey just by itself. I think there's more and more. More than there ever were. Yeah. You get that emotional attachment. You want a speaker that speaks on that? Yeah. And I think that we're moving a little bit away from the capitalistic approach of centering, like, you know, paid coals that are only using one person's product. Right, because. That's there's a conflict in there. Then your credibility is not as versatile or as authentic, right? You're only using one thing. Yeah, you're only using one thing because someone is paying you to say and do that. And, um, the thing that I'm really hoping to embrace and kind of encourage is that there is being a shift between, you know, Col and influencers and influencers, I feel like are a little bit more authentic because it's just like, you know what? Like, there are so many wonderful companies that, um, make amazing products. Uh, and there's a way that we can support more than just one. So. And it gives us a choice to like, if you are a col, that's it. You're in that game. Exactly. You can't really mess around with other stuff in a good way. Yeah. And I and I want people to continue to look at my work and be like, whatever, you know, Jade is doing in their work, uh, is authentic and good to them. Like, there's no amount of money that can buy that honesty from me. Yeah. And that might be something that is really wonderful for my career. And I'm sure the complexity of can have challenges too. But that is something that's really important to me, is that people believe me and what I'm using and what I'm promoting. So how does Germany find Jade Canada? All Instagram. It's so funny. Um, no, it was through you guys last year. Whoa! High five. Oh my gosh. And thank you again. Thank you so much for you know, the conversations. Yeah. Because I mean, even I was just talking to Ben here at Exo and he was telling me he's like, you're one of the main reasons that I went to Vegas. And. Sorry, Ben, if I shouldn't have said that out loud. I said, but he's so yeah, he's very sweet and, um, just yeah, people wanted to come and see me. So, uh, Jonathan from Bago came. Dude. Yeah. Amazing. So sweet. We've become friends. Um, and then, um, you know, also, uh, Paul from Vita, right, was, uh, supporting me as well. So that came from Chicago. So that one was a little bit earlier. Yeah. Because you were at Labor Day. I was at Labor in Chicago. No one knew me. That was your. No one knew that was your stop before Ides. So you go from national interest. Lab day ideas all within, what, five months? Yes. Yes. That's insane. So last year. Yeah. So last year in 2024. As I was saying, no one knew me yet. And I kind of was like poking these companies being like, look, this is what I made. Look at me. And actually, I didn't even have any photos of my work because I had a whole conversation with my friend Julia, who everyone should. Everyone should know Julia. Julia has a voice. Yes. Yeah. No. She's been on. Yeah. Yeah. She has a voice of an angel. Oh, we love Julia's voice. Bedtime. Yes, exactly. Alina was actually saying that me and Julia should do an episode, and then everyone would just be in love with the voices. I like it. Speak softly to us anyway. Talk to me. I will talk to you. Well, I mean dentures. Dentures are sexy. Sexy. It's like, do you want to trail on my incisal edge? No. Would you like to touch my incisive papilla? Oh I know. Do you want me to flirt with you? Dental style. I love it. Stay in the depths of my sulcus. Anyway, see what I'm saying? You guys probably can't edit that out anymore anyway. I've been thinking about doing a flirty, um, little reel for my Instagram for Valentine's Day. I was just like, I've got that all in my back pocket. How do you think I have a partner now? It's just. It's just. It's just dental flirting. Dental fun. I love it. Do you want to see my mama? That's my way. So, back to Julia. Okay, back to Julia. Brought this all up. Thank you. Julia. Sorry. Julia, we love you. Shout out! Okay. Um. So. Yeah. Wait. Where were we talking about? Julia again? Uh, she was bringing you Chicago? No. Well, we're just talking about. How do we get on to Julia? You brought her up, I can't remember. Everybody needs to know, Julia. Everyone needs to know Julia because of her voice. But I was asking you about Chicago. And then you went from. Yes, okay. To Chicago to thing. So after Chicago 2024, my friend Julia encouraged me. So you were there, but you didn't speak? No. No one knew me. I remember that's when we met. I had to go to the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I only had a couple of, um, friends at that time. Really? In the dental community. Because I've been off in my little denture hole hiding in Alberta. Yeah. A little secluded, I feel like. And my friend Julia, you know, I was having so many blocks about showing my work, I would have camera photographs. Yes, exactly. That's where we were going. Because after I saw Miles Cohn speak, uh, we had a little chat after his lecture, um, in Chicago with Wajda, and he was kind of explaining, like, what camera he used and whatnot. And I'd already been kind of looking at what cameras and lenses I wanted. And right after Chicago, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to do it. I'm going to go and buy and invest in the good lens, because I'm a photographer outside of this. Right. And investing in a really makes a difference really good. It is your voice right to it's your visual voice to speaking to other people, right? It's your ability to create art and to express yourself. And so I was just like, you know what? I'm just going to go and do this. So I bought myself a second hand 100 millimeter macro lens from canon, which is something I recommend everybody to. There you go to pick up and just started taking pictures. And the only reason I was able to feel so confident in being able to kind of break through and to do that is because Julia was so encouraging and so supportive of me. Um, there's been so many other people like Nina and Elena. Um, Janelle I've had so many people who have backed and hyped up my work to help me continue to post. Right? Because you you need to have that support and that love. So that's where I it kind of all started for me, where I was just like, okay, I need to show the world what I'm doing because it's one thing to talk with confidence to be like, hey, I think I make okay, I make okay, I make all right dentures. Right? Yeah. And, um, it's just those few people that you need that are just like, I think there's something here. I think there's something here which is more than. Okay, just a little more. I would agree. Confidence is a gift that people give to other people. Oh, yeah. And people gifted me a lot of confidence in order to be able to, um, you know, show what I've been doing for the last, you know, almost decade now. It's almost been a decade that I've, um, you know, owned my, my clinic and, and and been doing all of this and, um, ever since my photos kind of came online. Everything changed. So I'm really thankful to all of those people. And then, you know, these companies now are starting to also, uh, notice notice that work and what what a gift to be seen. Uh, professionally in that light and to be respected and to have people actually appreciate it. Because, sure, you can show your friend and be like, hey, look, I made this denture. Yeah. And they're kind of like, okay, that looks creepy and kind of weird. Your job? Yeah. Pat, Pat. Yeah. But then it's another thing to come into, you know, your your own. Yeah. Dental world, your own, um, field and then have people come up to you and just be like, wow. Like, I'm, I'm actually a huge fan of your work. So I just met somebody, um, who stopped me in the hallway and was just like, oh, I, I love your work. And what what an honor to be noticed. At first it's a little weird, you know? And then eventually you're like, I appreciate that. Thank you. No, I, I think it's just, like a really lovely sentiment, you know, because it's a way that we can connect and kind of understand one another. Right? I think that everyone in life is wanting to connect with other people, like that's why we live. That's what kind of motivates us like that. So comes through though with your energy. Oh, I'm like I'm like soaking. Right? Yeah. That's really. Sincerely. Yeah. It's just awesome. So these companies reached out to you? Um, we're a little. Maybe a little bit of both. A little both. Bago, uh. With Jonathan. Uh, again, it was a it was so adorable because, uh, he listened to the podcast, and then he was there in, uh, Vegas, and he comes running up to me, um, after I saw Aaron Deutsch's, uh, lecture and was like, yeah, are you Jade? I'm like, hi. Yeah. That's me. And that was just so flattering. And that was the story. And he just very gently was like, oh, well, you know, I'm from Bago and this and that, and I actually I use, uh, Bago medals for my, my frameworks, my partial frameworks. Um, I don't cast it myself, but, you know, it's an, a very important part of, um, you know, the services that I provide. I can't work with metal. You guys out there who work with metal? Yeah. It's a tricky, tricky thing. It's a whole other thing. Really appreciate those who do. Yeah. Um, and so. Yeah. Jonathan, just kind of. Came in and, uh, wanted to work with me with such enthusiasm and such kindness and, um, the relationships you can build from, from that is just incredible. So I got to put together another lecture that's again, a little bit more mental health focused, um, where I'm talking about worth and how we build up dental technicians worth, because there's a lot of elements in our field that are obviously challenges. Um, I have a DTG article that's coming out actually at the end of March here. Keeping up with all of this? Oh, I don't sleep. I would say not. I don't sleep. She spent so much time traveling, a lot of plane time. But no, I like the the message is health. Yeah. It's health. Like, I really believe that, um, you know, there are ways that we can kind of uplift dental technicians to have better balance and in our lives. Correct. And, um, you know, again, the way that I live is an example. I really want to promote to other people that it's like, you don't have to follow the script that was given to you. You get to decide what your happiness is and whatever that is, it can be beautiful as long as you're not hurting anybody, right? Um, I make a fun of it a lot, but just the the mentality of technicians working 20 hour days and being miserable in a basement, that's not okay. It's not okay. It's exploitative. And it's it's almost an option. It's almost a choice at this point. Yes. You're choosing to be that person and you don't have to be. And and so that's the loud and clear message I want to send to every single person that hears this, is that you do not have to live and work like that. And it is so important that you value yourself, um, value your time on this planet and not let anybody treat you in a way that degrades. Who you are authentically as a human being, and you get to decide what that is, right? You get to create what those habits are in small ways, and each choice that you make every single day can start to lead you towards a life that is worth living and that makes you happy. Um, because again, like our job is we are the smile makers of the world. Correct. We are here to help enable and empower everybody to be able to smile and to feel good. And then we trash ourselves. Exactly. And and you know, I really believe that as an artist, like that energy that we experience within ourselves, it goes into our work. So if you are, you know, being crushed under the wheel of capitalism and being put in in positions where you have to essentially abandon your own values and abandon your own integrity and abandon yourself as an individual. Um, that is a huge disservice to not only you, but the people around you. And then the things that you're actually creating. And so I really think that it's important for everybody to hear and know is that there are. Different ways of building a life, um, that you are excited about, uh, that you can come to work every day and love what you do. Like, I love what I do so deeply when you work. When I work, yes, but but I mean but that's but that's part of that's a big that's a big thing that speaks to it though, right. Is that I balance it out. Right. Like, I'm okay to, um, stay really late and be the boss and do those grueling hours because then I get to go and, like, do other things. And again, it's really important for me to say as well is that I, I don't have any dependents. Right? I don't have a partner that financially relies on me and I don't have a mortgage. So it's very important to understand that those are choices that I have made to be where you are, to be where I am so I can have a life that I feel good about. Right. And there are so many other different ways of living that are not based of the 1950s model of living that so many of us have been given as a blueprint. Yeah. Um, you know, in the boomers generation, that was very heavily reinforced to us through our parents. And and now, as you know, a millennial and seeing Gen Z, we're choosing a lot different alternative lifestyles of working and and balancing that out. Um, yeah. So I just want people to know that it's out there. They can do it. You can create it for yourself. So your presentations must be so natural for you. I mean, you're sitting here just talking casually about it. Yeah. But so elegant. Elegant, elegant. Elegantly. Thank you. Yep. Yeah. Your presentation just must be amazing. I mean, I love teaching because, again, these are all things that I'm already passionate about. Yeah. I'm not coming into my lectures and being anyone different. Yeah. I'm giving you exactly who I am. Authentically. Authentically. Right. And so the art part of everything too. So, like going to a more technical lecture of mine as well. It's the same. Thing. Yeah. Right. So I've had a couple of mental health lectures, more psychological lectures of how we again build up our worth. Look at the shame that our patients are experiencing one day to to think about lecturing about health. Well, like, how did you make that connection? Because it very much got in me. It's different because I feel that way, of course. So I'm just curious, how did that start for you that you could actually lecture to us? Yeah. And speak on that. Oh, well, for me, like, one of the most important things is that the people that I treat and that I see and the goals that I have around my career to help people have, again, better lives. Right. Um, that is centered around knowing the idea that we are working with traumatized people. That is what denture treatment is. People have had to have a lot of things go very wrong in order for you to not have any teeth. And a frame of mind that I haven't seen really anywhere is that we are not treating our denture patients like they have PTSD, or that they've lost significant abilities and functions in their life like it's a silent disability or a visual one. It really is. Right. And so put a piece of plastic in there. Yeah. And goodbye. Good luck. Yeah. It's not the same as, like, going and getting your car tuned up. Yeah. Right. When you lose your leg, you're going to go to physiotherapy for a long time. A long time. You're going to go and, um, you know, learn how to use your prosthetics. And there's such a psychological part to that to where they go to therapy as well. They have support groups like. And so for me, I'm just like mental health is always on my mind in that regard, because whoever walks into my office and the things that they say to me. I carry so many secrets, right? And I find my role as a clinician to be a very sacred and important role. Right. I have this gift that I've developed, and it's kind of I believe it's one of the best things that I can give back to, to other people, because they have a pain and a hurt that no one can even see and recognize. Right. And so if I'm thinking about that all the time with my patients and trying to not only give them a nice fancy piece of plastic, um, but to also try and heal elements of their mind, right, that have left terrible scars. Right. And some of them are still open and bleeding in their mind. Right. Um, and if we start to pay attention to, uh, putting our more of our energy into that area, you holistically are helping people reinvent themselves to lead new chapters in their life. And that takes time. That is why, again, like I, I have a boutique denture clinic. Um, I charge more because I spend a lot more time with my patients. You should write my first. Like my consultation appointments are usually at minimum an hour. Yeah. At minimum. Right. Sometimes it goes to two hours. It depends on what people need. And that is not only just like a physical evaluation, it's a holistic one where it's like. Okay. Emotional to how? Yeah. How are you eating? How are you living your life? Like, how is you know, how is this affected you? Right. Because I can look in someone's mouth and I can tell if they are having like, diabetes or if they have heart condition or, you know, other things. So then it becomes a conversation on, you know, their sleep and their diet and all these other aspects that fall into denture care and prosthetic care. Wow. So to answer your question in an extremely long winded way is that, um, we are essentially, you know, I think that it's really important for us to have a conversation about mental health all the time. Um, and to be able to bring that into the dental world, because it's not only affecting our patients, it's affecting us, too. So. Wow. Thank you. So where do you go from here? Chicago ideas. She just said she was going to Barcelona. Oh, yeah. Well, not not physically, but I'm talking more speaking career wise. Yeah. Not physically. I'm going to go to a this town. I meant what's above ideas or are we at the top? Well here's another I don't know never here. Here's another concept I'd like to give you. Um, so I read the book this year, the. Oh my goodness, what's it called? Um, the courage to be disliked. The courage to be disliked. I highly recommend that people pick up this book. It is a psychology book, but it's very, very interesting to me because I think that you're looking at things like in a ladder format with a hierarchy and a vertical ascension. Um, but for me, I think that it's a lot healthier to look at life in a more horizontal way. Right. Because you're going to summit one day if you're looking at life vertically. Right. If you're looking at people vertically as well. Right. You have you're then growing an ability to rank people's worth based on, you know, what they've done or what class they are or what not. So it's not a criticism of that. It's more so just kind of speaking of, you know, a different kind of way of thinking is it's just like this opportunity is an incredible one because there's so many people that are here, and I, I'm so fortunate. And it was a goal of mine, a really big goal of mine. Um, but I think that, you know, being able to go to other conferences, being able to share the same message, like being able to do this podcast with you. Right. Yeah. I like to think of by the way. We're going vertical first. Okay. And then okay. We're going to all respect. I respect it I respect it. But that's a great way to look at it. You have to because I mean we all society falls into that. I know and and. I mean, yeah, like our default is, is to look at things like that and I'm for me like it's a practice. Like I'm when you say that you're practicing something, um, I'm practicing something in my mind where I'm trying to do that less. Because if I were to look at this and be like, this is the highest point of my career, that's so much pressure and what's after. And then once after, right. You don't get the same kind of satisfaction that comes afterwards. We're going for Dubai next. Oh, I love that. There's a big show. I don't know about me, but yeah, I'd like to. I mean, I just was hearing about, I think you were telling me about yesterday. So that would be really, really interesting. Really. I don't know if it's vertical or or horizontal, but I would like to go to Doha. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I'm coming. I mean, again, I think it just comes back to just like a way of thinking, right? Where it's just like, I want to have a satisfied life and a lot of joy and, like, keep preaching that. Yeah. And if you love it and if it's like, I look at this and I'm like, I just peaked. Like, how boring. So true. Yeah. How boring is that? So I'm excited to see kind of what comes afterwards and where I get to travel to and the people that I get to meet. Absolutely. Um, I'm excited about the art that I'm going to get to make. Yeah, it's so funny. I have, uh, in my backpack here. Um, this big binder full of, like, all these paintings that I got to do for, uh, this lecture for Vita. Oh, wow. So I actually got to I'm getting to basically teach an art class, which makes me so happy. Yeah, it's about how to use, like, brushes for, uh, Vita accent. Elsie. But you're using the brush on actual, like, 2D art? Yeah, like art. Art. I well, in my diagrams and everything. Yeah, I'm making it with 2D. Yeah, because I think a lot of people don't know how to use brushes. Or maybe they just haven't been given kind of an open idea of like, there are literally hundreds of different ways you can use your brush. You can use this tool in a lot of different ways. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever seen people use a guitar and then start like drumming. Yeah, on the guitar. Well, that's not a natural way that you would normally think of people using a guitar to produce sound. Right? Yeah. So it's a very it's so true. It's a very similar thing where it's just like, well, your paintbrush, you can use it in a lot of different ways you probably didn't think of. So yeah, let's explore that. I love that. Let's have fun. I love that. So one of the unknown pleasures that I've and I'm probably you, Barb, have gotten out of this podcast is people telling us that they. I don't want to say got discovered, but more people recognize them when they're on this podcast. I've had people tell me that they got a job at a company because we had their CEO on the podcast, and they listened to it, and they learned about the company, and they went into the interview more confident, I've heard. I love that. We've had people that just like your story where they just became known and yeah, and, you know, people thank us and I'm like, no. All we did was give you a platform. You are who you are. You became good because of you. Yep. Thank you for being on the podcast for us. But we're happy that you've gotten success happening. Absolutely. I'm so thankful that we got to have that really cute conversation back in August. It's brought so many, like, wonderful people towards me, and I love it, right? Like people who are, you know, similar to me. I think that's the nice thing about just, you know, kind of living authentically, being my little weird dental self. Right, is that people will have an opportunity to get to know me a little bit more. That's what it's all about. Yeah. Just like the people behind the pictures. You know, the people behind the work? Yes. The people from the bench? Yes. The people are the people from God. Did you segway off to my life? That was beautiful. Yeah. So. Thank you. Yeah. Jade, thank you so much. I think that success. Yeah. Thank you. I'm the. You know what? To answer your question, I wanted to say one last thing that I am excited about. And I guess it's here and it's this week is the the competition. Yeah. Yeah. And finding out the results from that Friday. Yes. Very excited about that because my rhinestone denture Anastasia and her getting her final her moment on that. Maybe that is a vertical moment where I'm like that's a peak. It's definitely. Is the temporary company reaching out to you to be an influencer of the gems, the gemstone company? Oh, I should be asking them, hey, I should be like, look at what I made. They probably like, we didn't know you could put those on. They'll see it. Trust me. Yeah, well, honestly, I would love to make a couple more dentures like that for an actual person. No no no no no, just for, like, display purposes. Oh, sure. Like, I think other companies might just be like, look at those blinged up denture. You know, it's just fun. It catches the eye. It catches the eye. Certainly. She's very flashy. Yeah. Very flashy. So as I'm wearing red and teal today. Bright red lipstick. Good. Thank you so much, Jade. Thank you. So wonderful to run into you. Yeah, in Chicago and then thousands of miles away. You know it. Good luck Friday. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. And I hope we get to talk again soon. We will, we will, we will see you in Dubai. Okay. Love it. Okay. Take care. Bye. Gonna mess up my hair. I know, I know. I know. I'm sorry. What a sacrifice you're willing to make. So here we are. IDs 2025. Day four. Three feels like ten. No, I say Wednesday 33. Yeah, we don't know, because they're all running together. The sun goes down and comes up and we don't even realize it. Lisa Aguirre Aguirre Lisa Aguirre from Roland DGA, DGA America. Well, Roland DGA is the America's. Oh, well, DGA day for America. What's DGA shape? So DGA shape is going to be the brand of our dental product line. Ah, that's good to know. But we all know you because of the Roland Mills. Absolutely. That's how we all go. I mean, exactly which by the way, I have three. Awesome. Three. Just three. Just at my location. Yeah. So, yes, I'm a fan. So, Lisa, tell us your story. How did you get into dentistry? How did you get into this? Crazy. Into this crazy? It is a crazy cult. Yes. Well, ironically, like most of us, I got into this, you know, kind of fell into my lap by accident working through college. I got a job as a front office at a dental office. You know, through the years, I worked my way up still while in college, before I knew it. Was managing a dental office. Before I knew it, I was a regional. Before I knew it, I was doing consulting. Wow. That's a rapid rise. Yes. Um. You know, before I knew it, then I was working for, um. Where were you in college for? Um. Ironically, I was a psych major. I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted to be a teacher. Wow. Yes. Nice. Um, still have that passion with children and, you know, things like that. But it's just funny how sometimes your backup career becomes your career and that. That's very much the case for me. Yeah. You know, kind of rose through the ranks over the year. Um, I had a great opportunity at some point to work for education for almost five years here. Wow. Yeah. What did you do at spear? They used to have a dental, um, based, education based laboratory at Laguna Beach, California. And they used to have a life. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. When her lab, it was led by doctor Bob winner. Um, yes, I totally know. Great mentor, great clinician, everything about it. So I had, you know, the opportunity to often, you know, once, once or twice a month travel to you know at that time it was a Scottsdale or it might be the reverse. It was the senior center for dentistry. And I think then I think it flipped to Scottsdale Center for dentistry. Um, yeah. Amazing opportunity from an education standpoint. From a learning standpoint. Would you did you what what how were you involved? Um, so we managed a book of business, um, for spear, um, for just many different things, facets from educating in the laboratory, giving, prep feedback. Um, you know, as an education based laboratory, the idea of that was to bring what was taught from the curriculum at Spear, you know, and from a laboratory perspective to help these clinicians actually put that into play. Yeah. So Doctor Winters, a lab tech also and a doctor so that he's he's a master. Yeah. He's amazing. People would go through Spears and as they graduated and went back to their practices, they could use this lab knowing that they'll get the quality of. Restorations based upon the education. And they were also going to get. Kind of the step by step hand-holding from a technical advisor to. Help them through these steps. So a lot of times like for example, typically the not to go on a spear tirade because I sound like a spear commercial at this point. I've been to a lot of spear stuff like, hey, she hasn't worked here in 15 years and she's still given the commercial. Um, but you know, part of that, for example, one of the first courses that typically they would recommend clinicians take would be FTP, uh, facial generated treatment. I've heard that before. So with that being said, you know, it's easier said than done when you're talking about this complex, you know, full mouth restoration case. So it was a really good template to provide clinicians on a step by step way to do it. And from the technical, you know, side of it. And advisor, it was you had that handholding. Yeah. Once you do that case that's a whole other story. Exactly. And it also gave the clinicians the confidence to be able to implement that. And it really reinforced how important, you know, the clinician to laboratory relationship is. And as far as communication and collaboration, I always respected that. I went to the spear course with five dentists as their lab tech as well, so I like the fact that they collaborate. I took that course. I was in a spear study club and I went study clubs. Yeah, I've been to a lot of clubs. They all go and we actually physically went. So yeah, it was a great experience a beautiful facility. Yes. Oh yeah. All of it. Yeah. So it was a great opportunity. Um, so that was five years. And then, and then I took a step back for a couple of years. Um, you know, I have a son. And at that point, it was. You got out of dentistry? No, I just took a step. I took a step back in my career. Meaning, you know, I took a lesser role so that I could be home. Sure. Um, I wanted I wanted the same for my son to be. You know, my mom was always there. Not never there. I know, and I'm glad that I did that. And then when he was in high school, this opportunity with Roland kind of was presented. And it was time. It was time to go back into the corporate world. Yeah. Uh, kind of. We found each other. Okay. We found each other. I'll put it that way. So your role. So when I started marketing, now I'm marketing. When I started almost six years ago, I started as a product manager. Okay? I learned a lot. I had never been on the manufacturing side, but they were confident that the experience I had between education and clinical and laboratory, that I'd be able to help them bridge, you know, all of those gaps. And in between a lot of working parts in those mills. Yeah. Oh, you'd be you know, it's funny how at first I was a little intimidated by it, but one of the things I can say. So I was like a new clinical user, basically, you know, when I first got started and here I am as the product manager is. The first thing that I learned was just how user friendly and how easy to use our our technology really is, and it needs to be. Exactly. Well, we've got enough things to think about. If you're a clinician treating a patient you know you want as a clinician, you want to be focused on your patient and providing the best treatment for them. Yeah. Um, and you need your assistant to be on that same page with you, you know, to think about it's user experience, customer experience, no matter what side of this you're on, whether you're in the laboratory, the clinical, or even as a manufacturer, at the end of the day, it's, you know, because of our businesses with rolling, you know, many know that we also have the direct print side of the business and our, um, you know, we always refer to it as paper versus patients. Like what we do actually affects, you know, people's lives and people's outcomes. Someone's making stickers. Exactly. That's a running theme. Sometimes that's more fun, but I get it. Yeah, I love a good sticker. That's the theme of this weekend, though. We've heard that over and over and over and over. The teamwork, the collaboration between patient doctor, manufacturer everyone, technicians. So yeah. But doesn't Rolland also have a musical instrument size? So. So do you know that I know things, Barb. Wow. I don't know. So ironically, a lot of people don't even realize that Roland is has a digital print or, you know, a dental side or anything like that, you know, from the hobby side of things. You know, people think of Roland music. Yeah. So once upon a time, long story short, it was all one company. So Roland Music and Roland DG were the same company over the years. At some point it split and they wanted to maximize the exposure and also be able to develop technology on both sides. So Roland Music is a standalone company. You know, our quote unquote former sister company. And then Roland DG, which is, you know, our parent company out of the music is all electronic, right? I mean, it's like keyboards and stuff. It's keyboards. Uh, what's keyboards? Um, they've got, you know, different foot pedals. They've got synthesizers. So ironically, the technology that you're seeing today and CNC milling actually comes from way back from the original Roland music days. There's parts in a rolling mill that are also in a not necessarily the same parts today, because we're talking 40 years later. Right. But the technology itself, the plotting technology is from the first that technology was developed from the first Roland synthesizer. Wow. So kind of cool to see the evolution of things and how, you know, we're dental mills. The idea came from jewelry was using, you know, CNC, you know, they were using the technology. So again, I always hear what cam came from. Hearing aids like the original three shape was actually meant for designing hearing aids for people. And look at where it is now, isn't it? It's amazing how dentistry as a whole, no matter what side of the fence you're on. Yes, it's funny, it all relates together, but really how it's all evolved and developed over the years. Let's talk about some of the rolling mills now. I mean, you got to be a large market. I don't think I've been in a lab that doesn't have a roll. That's true. I mean, it's very the popular brand. Well, so we're obviously we're proud of our brand. We're proud of the products that we put out. You know, again, we always talk about user experience and all of those things. The people are are part of what make it what it is and have built the brand to be what it is. As you know, kind of one of our things is built to build your business, built to last. Like that's really what, you know, our claim to fame is. And that's why you're seeing, you know, from the laboratory side of things, it's you almost can't walk into a laboratory and not see a roll in there. At least one. I mean, out of that 4 or 5. Six. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So technology's continuing to evolve. You know, here at IDs, we're blessed to have our European team here sponsoring the booth and, you know, giving us our team here from the Americas. A little bit of a break where we're just here to collaborate, you know, with our fellow DG shapers, as we call them. And also still tired from Chicago, right? Yeah. I think we've caught our breath by now. We're used to kind of being on the go and, you know, being everywhere. We're a small but mighty team. You know, we're showcasing a few new things here. We got a prototype for a denture inkjet printer that we're showing here. What, what? Yeah. For, you know, kind of new trend there with with the monolithic inkjet printers coming out. Um, we just launched last Thursday. So a week ago we launched the DX 43 W, which is going to be the new to keep straight all the W's and all the W's and X's. Yeah. So it's going to just be an upgrade of our previous 42 bestselling 42 model of the Wet Mill. Some nice new improvements on it, some new built in capabilities, some added value extras, and then just a couple of more user friendly features just based on user feedback. We're always looking to improve our product. So part of that is again communication collaboration and making a better experience overall. You mentioned. Is this your guys's first? Dipped into the printer world, not into the printer world. So the 3D printing dental world, let's say no. Oh, okay. You've had one. Yeah. So we actually have um, we launched last year and it's funny, it seems like a lifetime ago now, but I want to say it was July or August of last year. We launched our 3D print line. Okay, so we do have a full suite in the Americas LCD, 4k LCD printer bundle. Um, we're doing very well with that. It's been very well received as far as you know, integrating seamlessly and so forth with the rest of our DW product line, 3D. DW there's no coincidences, right? Yes. I don't know how you keep it straight. Yeah, but you just keep saying a W and an X and you're good. It doesn't matter. Right. Some number and w x exactly. Um, so we have done that. So this is actually inkjet technology. So this is multicolor right. So this is going to be taking actually from the other side of our business from DPI. So it's taking some of the technology right. This is where it's interesting how, you know so many industries overlap one another. So this is taking from technology from one of our UV flatbed products. Yeah. So it's taking that technology and adapting it for dentistry and obviously improving it and kind of dialing it in for that. So it's just a prototype here. It's really nice because it's a a true role in DG shape kind of, you know, collaboration. They're integrating those two technologies together. So it's something fun that we look forward to kind of continuing to explore for the future. Nice. Well said. And all these all this technology you said comes from Japan. Yes. So that's where the headquarters is. So our parent company is out of Hamamatsu, Japan. Um, so you get to go there? Not yet. I was supposed to go 20, 20, and then we know what happened. Yes. Well, five years later. Where's the invite? Well, I got one, but it was like two weeks before Chicago, and it would have been irresponsible of me to go so. Oh, I have priorities. It'll come. Yeah. Well, good. I'm confident it'll come. So how old is the company in general? I mean, uh, so Roland digs about Roland as a whole. Is about 45 years old. Really? Yeah. That's a long time for so long standing technology and innovation and continuing to grow and build and. Um, user experience again, it all goes back to that. Yeah. I mean, it's a rolling mill. It's almost the standard, you know, it is for us. Yeah. For sure. I think at Derby I think we have like 12 of them. Yeah. Just walk in there and I'm like whoa okay. And they're always working. Yeah. That's important. Working and working well. Meaning like working like not breaking down. Like it's an amazing piece of work. Yes, yes. And I like that you're getting into 3D printing, because for a while we all started saying this milling going to go away. This milling going to go. I don't think it will. And here we are many years later and it's just as big. You're probably selling just as many mills. Oh yeah. Well, you know, I think one of the misconceptions is, is I think that the industry kind of went in either or. Yeah, you know, kind of way instead of saying both really looking at it and really looking at how these two technologies really complement one another and they really work together. Um, each has their time and place and their application. And I think it's important to see that. Do I think that, you know, moving forward, that 3D is going to get better and better and better? Absolutely. We've seen it. We've seen milling get better and better over the years. A lot of its materials, what's made milling better and better obviously technology. But not only that, it's the materials themselves, but also create that better result. Machines have gotten smaller and less expensive. I mean, everyone talk everything out. Look at your phone. Remember their cell phone? It's the same thing. You had this. You know this. Yeah. And now it's. Yeah. And it does everything. And it does way more than it ever did. Exactly. When you thought it was cool to have 100 songs in your pocket. Yes. No. Your iPod, your nano. That was wow, over 100 songs. Yes. Well, Lisa, thank you so much. This is exciting. Yeah. Enjoy the show and not having to work it. But you are working because this place is five miles, so. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So we're here for relationships and just kind of collaboration. Super nice to stop in and say hi to you guys. And you did enjoy your first ideas. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a great day. You too. Big thanks to Jade and Lisa for coming on our podcast, taking the time away from crazy awesome ideas to talk to us. I can't explain how much I genuinely improve every time I talk to Jade. She's pretty amazing. I totally get the work life balance. I love that she just has a way of explaining it that I think we can all learn from. We appreciate Jade and all that she does, and we cannot wait to see where she will be in just another year. I see her all over Facebook all the time. All over. Yeah, and we are also happy to announce that she won the Kandola competition. I think you saw that on Facebook as well. But congratulations, you've got to see it to believe it. So check out the link on this episode. Show notes. We also appreciate Lisa and all Roland is done to keep labs running. Like I mentioned, night has a few. I personally in my department have three. And we always know that they will get the job done. So head over to DG, DG shape.com to find a mil that fits for you. How many other people in the parking lot do you think are recording a podcast right now? I don't know, but how hard was it to say DG? I don't know how it started, but I did. There's absolutely nobody but I'm glad it's me. Absolutely awesome everybody. 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