Andre 0:00 60% of this country are white people. Okay, less than 50% of this country votes, yeah, the non white people in this country did not vote for me. How much more blood, sweat, tears do you need from us? I Yes, Chris 0:26 that's a fair question and a fair point to make. Andre 0:35 So I was, I was in Mexico a few weeks ago, and I will tell you this, there are a lot of Chinese cars, like a Chris 0:45 lot. Yeah, those byds are not bad Andre 0:49 looking. No, they're dope looking too. Chris 0:52 I've seen saw those all over Hong Kong when I was there earlier this year. Andre 0:56 And that is a durable good that actually built the economy in the United States, and Chris 1:02 they sell them everywhere other than the US. Yep, the US is the only country that, or one of the few countries that you know, has a market for it that does not import those vehicles. And I Andre 1:17 got like, hats off to China. They're like, Yo, we get this shit done in $10,000 they have a car that sells for $10,000 even with the tariffs, it's 20k What does that tell you for GM stellantis, that you're sharing that great well, Chris 1:38 And I can speak just to my personal experience with the, you know, manufacturing regulations and, you know, conditions and stuff like that in China, at least on the injection molding facilities and whatnot. It's not the, you know, barefoot children running around doing all the work, kind of environment that it was known to be, you know, 40 years ago, that it was when it kind of when they grew up as such a major influence in the manufacturing hub. And a lot of that is because so many of the customers for those goods are here in the US, or they're in Europe, and they have either restrictions and regulations or internal requirements that they meet or exceed the the standards for like US workers, in some cases, so Andre 2:35 they're happy to comply, right? Chris 2:37 Yes, they do every everything that they can to comply, right? Because they understand, I mean, right? And this is not the Chinese government. These are, you know, in individual businesses that own these factories and but they are, they understand why those, you know, regulations and requirements exist, and it's just, it's really interesting, you know, because, I mean, before I started working for this company, I probably always had this concept that, you know, China, everything that kind of came from China, was cheap, and it was just done as as kind of shoddy as it could, just to get it out. And, you know, a lot of the times it couldn't be further from the truth, there are those places that make that stuff and that, you know, copy designs and whatnot, but they've, they've, China has done a lot to crack down on it again, because if they don't, then the US and European companies no longer want to do business there. Like, there's already a push to move manufacturing outside of China because of the tensions between the US and China, because of what's been going on between China and Hong Kong and China and Taiwan and so, yes, but why, where did where are they moving? They're not go Oh, guess we're gonna manufacture in the US again. No, it's like we're going to Bangladesh, we're going to Indonesia. We're going to wherever it is that we can do stuff after Andre 4:05 Bangladesh. There's there's a there's more countries in Southeast Asia than people know about. Yep, there's the entire northern hemisphere of Africa that has been ignored. Yep, there's India. And now I don't Chris 4:21 want Vietnam, right? And Vietnam has been a manufacturing hub, especially for backpacks and shoes, for a number of years now, but even Vietnam has, like, kind of gotten to the point where it's getting kind of saturated, and costs are starting to go up to do that sort of business in Vietnam. And so everybody's like, All right, well, where's the next cheap pass place I can go over there, gonna get mad at me that. I mean shit, like, I, you know, it's like, on the one hand, yeah, you've got the, some of the good companies, right, that are trying to, they understand that all the manufacturing options are over there, so, but they try. To work with the right partners and to provide, you know, guidance and requirements so that it's not a dangerous and unhealthy work environment for the people that are working there. But then you also have the shitty companies, like, I don't care, just make it as cheap as you can. Andre 5:18 And since you bring that up, tariffs. God, damn, yeah, what don't people get about that? Chris 5:34 I don't know. I wish. I wish that I did Andre 5:38 the Boston Tea Party like, Chris 5:41 because of tariffs. Like, I didn't write that. Those were tariffs that were applied by the British government. I don't kid. I know. I know. It's the it's the should be right, the principle of the thing. It's the principle of the thing, sir, it's the principal, Principal, Andre 6:04 I don't, yeah, it's just like, did you miss all of school? Chris 6:08 Well, but remember, the Department of Education sucks. That's why they they went to school, but they weren't taught about they thought the Boston Tea Party was when Alice met the Mad Hatter, Andre 6:24 my only thing is like, like, why am I explaining the like, I've had conversations where I'm like, Boston Tea Party. No taxation without representation. Okay? You got it. You got part of it. Let's play that forward. They were sending tea overseas and like, like, did you not pay attention in class? Like, what? What do we like? Why am I explaining Chris 6:57 this to you? Well, you brought out no taxation without representation. We were just talking about Puerto Rico, right? I about DC, sure that too. I got into not, it wasn't a serious argument, but on one of somewhere on Reddit, was somebody about that, because somebody brought up Puerto Rico, and, you know, I was like, I think I just was like, yeah, what happened to no taxation without representation? They're like, they don't pay federal income tax. And I'm like, oh, that's the first time I've heard that. Let me research that. Let me look that up and see if that's true. Not entirely, right? And they still pay other federal taxes. Just because they don't pay federal pay federal income tax doesn't mean that they aren't being taxed, which still means taxation and they do not have representation. And on top of that, do the people of DC not pay federal income tax? Because I'm pretty f*cking sure that they do. Bob, how are you Unknown Speaker 7:56 not? Great. Bob, Chris 8:01 that was not, I'm not referencing my dad there. Just felt like I needed to put a name on the end of that. Okay. I was like, why I was not talking about this? Like, this was not an argument. I got up my dad's Facebook like, Andre 8:15 Bob, why are you getting my guy like that? I'm like, yo, that's up. But so for me, it's like there are two things about politics right now. One, their leopards are eating good right now. They're eating lovely, lovely every night. Lovely. Two, we need to probably have the doe like have basic minimum requirements to get the funding dollars, because we have a lot of dumb people. I somebody actually told me this week you shouldn't call people dumb or stupid. And my response was, I can only go off how they respond to me. Chris 9:07 I thought you were gonna say, That's the dumbest, stupidest thing I've ever heard somebody say, Speaker 1 9:12 Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard at no point in your rambling, incoherent response Were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Okay, a simple wrong would have done just fine, but I wanted to, but Chris 9:49 that's what I would have said, like, No, I'm just kidding, Andre 9:52 but I think after we get this Trump bullshit that we probably need to have, like, minimum requirements. Like. Seriously, like a 13 year old should know how, like, our civic system works, period. Like you have me, adults, people that are older than me that don't know how a bill is passed, I'm Chris 10:16 just a bill. Yes, I'm only a bill, and I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill. Yes, most of them, Andre 10:25 it's really depressing, Chris 10:28 and it's probably also part of why they don't vote. Andre 10:31 No, they these are actual voters. Oh, that's even Chris 10:33 scarier. So the ones who do know don't vote. Andre 10:39 Was it? Do you know they know they vote, and they get surprised by the outcome. Chris 10:48 Yeah, well, I mean, they voted for the leopards, eat my face, party. Andre 10:58 Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. Well, Chris 11:00 you were, we were talking about a couple of things, tariffs and Puerto Rico and representation, and Donald Trump. I know we don't like to talk about him that much, but he did recently say that, you know when he was going to increase the tariffs to 50% right on the aluminum and steel, that basically he was going to keep imposing tariffs higher and higher until Canada, Canada agreed to become the 51st State of the United States, right? Something that I'm pretty sure very few, if any Canadians are actually interested in or want. My understanding is there's a decent number of Puerto Ricans that are interested in having Puerto Rico become a state, and yet we tell them to f*ck off, and we tell Canada We're gonna adopt you against your will, like Andre 12:00 service. Okay? What's the difference between a Puerto Rican and Boricua? Chris 12:07 No, I understand that. I do okay, but it's just right. I'm just, I feel like, and there's, if you take that element out of it, which I understand, you can't, right, Andre 12:26 Chris, look at the equation, yeah, Chris 12:28 yeah. And right, how much of Washington DC is not white, right? This is the other thing I don't get about, because I know well, I'd like to think that the Canada thing is mostly a bluff, that he's not actually interested in Canada becoming the 51st state. But if it did, right, if he was like Canada, all of Canada, one state, wouldn't they have like, the most electoral votes? Yes, so wouldn't. And don't you think most Canadians at that point would vote for anything that isn't the Republican Party that put Donald Trump in charge to them make them the 51st state. Andre 13:06 That is true. I just here's right, Chris 13:13 that none of this is based in logic, which is why you can't fight it with logic. And that's part of what is so frustrating at times is because I get stuck trying to logic it out, or get it like, because I just, I can't help but I'm like, but this is the stupidest f*cking thing I've ever heard. Like, this doesn't even make any sense. How could somebody see this and be like, America, like we look like f*cking morons out here? So I Andre 13:43 one of the people I was talking to this week, I said, Okay, look, one thing that Donald Trump doesn't get is that countries around the globe have lent emphasize us take the lead. Right? Not that they can't do the do things themselves. They let us take the lead. And if somebody pulls that card on us, and they're like, now we're good. Some of the most deadliest, like submarines and tanks, are built in France and Germany. Chris 14:21 One of them popped up on the coast of Nova Scotia just the other day. Yes, France owns an island right off the coast of Nova Scotia, so it's really not that surprising. And it's like, no, they wouldn't have done it if they didn't want him to see it. Andre 14:39 Some of the most deadliest weapons, like in Modern Warfare, are produced in other countries. Chris 14:48 End of story. Yeah, Europe produces a shit ton of f*cking stuff, right? Andre 14:53 So if somebody lets you take the lead, it doesn't mean they're not capable of taking. Lead, Chris 15:01 it's like dancing. Andre 15:18 That's fair, that and I think that he he really believes that we all kind of let him he's in charge of the world. He's not he does think Chris 15:35 that right? Because he's heard that the President is the most powerful man in the world. He believes that he therefore runs the world. Mean, he also thinks that just because he's the president, he can tell anybody that's in the United States what to do, Andre 15:50 right? Yeah, f*ck that guy. Like, I Chris 15:53 think the thing where he got into it with Maine's Governor asking about, oh, Speaker 1 15:58 I signed an executive order banning men from playing in women's sports. Many Democrats are fighting me on that. I hope you continue, because you'll never win another race, and it's just crazy. The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way, that's good, but I understand Maine is Maine here the governor of Maine? Are you not going to comply with it? I'm complying with state and federal laws. Well, I'm. We are the federal law. I Chris 16:29 am. I mean, we are the law, the federal law. It's like, Andre 16:36 you're not judged, right? Be like, you need to chill the f*ck out. I am the law. F*ck that guy, and f*ck him too. My so I think my point is, like, there's this the United States. We've been in a super arrogant country for a long time. Yeah, we're paying for world war two sins. Like, we don't have the Cold War if we didn't, like, you know, play Russia like that was, that was a dick move. So, yeah, we probably shouldn't done that, Chris 17:14 right? And then what did we do in the Cold War? We f*cking played Russia, right? We made them look like dicks at the end of it. And I'm not, like, I'm not saying that Russia was innocent in this, right? The way that we handled it was like, Hey, you guys are f*cking stupid and thought we were building a Death Star. It's a movie. You dumb. Dumbs. Like, That's literally how we how we f*cking ended that, right? And no wonder Putin's like, yeah, no, it's cool. I'll play the f*cking 60 year long game. Don't worry. Don't worry. Andre 17:48 So it's, it's complex. It's not in like, it's not unsolved. Complicated. It's not, no, it's not unsolvable. Look, I, I do not mind watching people like Chris 18:03 their faces eaten. I don't mind. I don't mind at all. I mean, I think we're gonna have to have some people get their faces eaten in order for us to, you know, get out of Andre 18:17 this. Yeah, I don't mind. I'm just kind of like, yeah, Chris 18:22 if I'm not mistaken, that was literally the position both of us took when the election went down. We were like, well, I guess we're just gonna have to let these people f*cking suffer some Andre 18:31 Yeah. I'm still kind of there. It's like, but I will say this, the racism and the misogyny, like Tim walls, like, Yo homie. Homie called his straight. He said was weird. They were doing weird shit, and they Democrats are pussies. Chris 18:52 That's most of us. Yeah, they're very, very few of them that have shown any kind of backbone. I'm Andre 19:00 rocking with AOC now, I think Bernie is, like, saying some good shit. I don't f*ck with everything. Bernie says, Chris 19:08 got him. Guys, got him. Andre 19:12 No, I know. Here's why you don't have me. It's because, like, you got to pull the trigger. Yeah, I think Democrats are trigger shy, and then they need to stand up and say no, okay, all right, bet yes, we're gonna close it like you want to do you want to do this. We're gonna let the government just freeze, Yep, yeah, I'm good with it, if you're Chris 19:38 gonna just ignore the fact that we allocated funds that you have to spend if you're going to ignore judicial orders, we are not going to give you any money to do anything. Andre 19:49 Good luck. These guys want to swing their dicks. Yep, cut them off. Yep. I think Donald Trump's a. That piece of shit. But Chris 20:01 yeah, I mean, there's yeah that too. And I hear you guys. Andre 20:06 I just, I just don't I don't care. I really don't care. Like, Chris 20:14 when you say you don't care, Andre 20:20 what do you care about? Like, here's what I don't care about. The shit that's going to go down is not going to affect me. That's what I it does. Like, I'm legit okay with that. My kids aren't in elementary school, primary or like, like they're not in secondary school. It's not going to affect my life. I keep saying now, like, I'm going to mind my black business because, like, I look your group either sat on the couch or voted for this bitch. That's not my problem to clean up. Chris 21:06 I don't disagree, Andre 21:09 and even the people that like have different political views. Yo, I don't own a farm. I like. There's a lot of things are just like, Yo, you guys, you're not. You weren't thinking straight when you did this shit, and you got to figure that shit out. Chris 21:30 I just up. Yeah, no. I mean, it's not because you know what's f*cked up is that I don't think there's very many people who are legitimately interested in figuring it out, right? Like, even the ones who have been figuring what out, figuring out that Donald Trump's a piece of shit and they don't need to support him anymore. Like, figuring out the grift basically, you know, like I just, I think the people who are in on it now, it's just, it's kind of ride or die, even, even the ones who are being negatively impacted by this, the general attitude seems to be, Well, I I voted for you, and I'm sure that you were doing everything you can with the best of intentions, but I got swept up in this accidentally, and I need your help to fix this, please. It's never like, Yo, what the f*ck this wasn't what I signed up for. It's fine, even though it was not Andre 22:32 built for this. Yeah, you can't be on block and like, talking breezy, doing like some reckless shit, somebody's gonna check you on that, right Chris 22:45 again, right? No, but it's the it's the whole, like the online, you know, like everybody's real brave when they're behind a computer. People talk bad shit, but they wouldn't say that same shit to your face if you saw him on the street. Not my f*cking problem, I know, and I'm not saying it's your f*cking problem. Saying that Andre 23:06 because that's your Chris 23:08 problem either. Just because my people that look like me doesn't mean that I f*cking can fix it. I Andre 23:16 feel bad for people that go through some some bullshit, right? That did not vote for homie. Yes, me too, but it's like, Yo, you guys are out here. You're like, raw dogging, like, your life for no reason, Chris 23:32 right? But I'm saying these people aren't will. They don't want to recognize that that their vote and the person that they put in office is the reason that their f*cking life is getting f*cked up, even when they have proof positive directly in front of their face. Andre 23:52 So I still, I just that's not a me problem. Chris 23:55 What's not a me problem either it's an us problem, which is all this problem. Andre 24:01 Okay? So this is, Chris 24:06 this is all right, god damn it, Andre Andre 24:11 look. So, as I've said before, this is not new shit in my community, right? Chris 24:22 And sometimes, but you're also the one who started out earlier saying that, like, complacency is what got us here, yeah, but I say also a bit of complacency, and saying, Not my problem, Andre 24:37 no, because if I'm being legit, like, what i Alright, this is gonna sound way f*cked up, Chris 24:43 yeah, I bet it is. Non white people cut this into a f*cking Andre 24:50 Yeah, I know you can't, and I will ignore the whole clip like he took me out of context again. I. Non black people that have a struggle in this country, predominantly blacks and Hispanics, we gonna be all right. Well, you said non black people. I mean, I'm sorry, non white people, okay, just making sure we're gonna be all right, like we're gonna be like they playing around with some dumb shit, and you and like, I hate to say it, Chris 25:27 but not all black people, you're right, not all Latinos. That's what Andre 25:31 I understand. Take your 12% Chris 25:35 to your talking about the 12% that voted for him. I'm talking about the ones that didn't vote for him. Andre 25:41 We I f*ck them too. F*ck the people that didn't, that didn't vote for it 12, the 12% average of both groups, blacks and Hispanics, yeah, that did not vote for him. We gonna be all right. What we should do is huddle up right and come out swinging, because you guys are like, Chris 26:04 and I know, I know you're good, Andre 26:07 okay, you guys don't believe the stove is hot, Right? You want to do like, some kumbaya bullshit. I'm I know and affect everybody else, and they want people to, like, have your back, nigga, what? What are we doing? I need Chris 26:34 more specifics here, because I'm lost. What did I do to Kumbaya? Andre 26:37 Okay, we're gonna protest. We're gonna protest Starbucks. F*ck Starbucks, right? Stop f*cking going to Starbucks. We're going to protest Tesla. F*cking 80. F*ck 85% of the people that are pissed right now can't buy a goddamn Tesla. We're gonna like, we like, that's why to draw back to Bernie Sanders. That's why I'm like, Yeah, f*ck with Bernie. Okay. I'm not a populist like that, like that, but I hear what he's saying. 60% of this country are white people. Okay, less than 50% of this country votes, yeah, the non white people in this country did not vote for this shit. How much more blood, sweat, tears do you need from us? Chris 27:41 That's a fair question and a fair point to make. I think my counter would be, so then you would be okay with the entire country going to shit and then ultimately affecting you and the other 12% of non white voters that didn't vote for this shit. Eventually, if White people don't get off their ass, oh, I'm out Andre 28:11 what? But what I do need for like, white people to do is like, like, stop playing games. Like, stop pretending like, Oh, I'm gonna protest vote. Oh, I'm gonna do this and not think about other people. I think other groups have been carrying the f*cking water for other like, for the for the Democrats, yeah, and I think that's the time, right? Chris 28:36 No, I mean, I'm, I'm with you on that, right? I understand that, and it's not I, I guess I don't feel like I'm sitting here saying it's black and Latino voters fault because some of them voted for Donald Trump. Like, I know who voted for Donald Trump, it was white people. But I just think that it's going to take more than just the white people that didn't vote for Trump, Andre 29:09 dude. You're 60 f*cking percent of the population, right? Chris 29:15 But those people aren't going to get off their ass and do anything unlike you and I who are sitting here trying to f*cking figure out how to f*cking fix this shit and what to do, and so it's a little disheartening to sit here and hear you say, like, Nah, f*ck it. I don't give a shit what I'm saying. I'm saying the sidelines and just watch shit go down. I said, No, no, gonna impact me. I said, 60 be all right. Andre 29:44 I said, All right, this is what I'm saying In plain terms, the math of population, like the demographic, is 60% there's nothing can do mathematically. Seriously, right? Forget how I believe. About shit personally, mathematically, if you have 60% of the f*cking population, yes, Chris 30:09 right, you have a majority. I understand that. What Andre 30:11 do you want? What more do you want me to do? That's a question. Nope, no. In general... Chris 30:18 I Chris Smith, that's what I'm saying, generalizing. About generalizing. I'm talking about me personally. You just asked, what do you what do I want you to do? What more do I Okay, if you want to ask, What more does the country need from you? I don't have that answer. Andre 30:42 Okay, so, but my my question again, if 60% of the country is white, yep, less. I think it's like 49% of the country actually votes. Let's just say 50% to round it up, so 60% of that 50% is still the balls in your court, right? Like, what do you want? Like, the two demographics, and if you break that demographic, the the demos up even more. 92% of black women voted for not this, right? The math starts to get kind of like, Yeah, but how much responsibility do I take for the whole? Chris 31:32 But aren't you also the person who generally doesn't like statistics? Andre 31:38 I don't, like, I hate philosophy Chris 31:41 But like, every time that I bring up numbers, you just like, Yeah, but that's bullshit. That's just numbers. Numbers don't demand, okay, all right, all right. So now it's like, well, but the math isn't adding up. Chris, numbers are important. You gotta look at the numbers. I'm like, Look at how much money billionaires have. That's not the problem. It's because of the system. Whoa, look at the look at the numbers. Chris. It's white people's fault. Andre 32:10 Both things can be true at the same time in this sentence, like, legit, like, No jokes. Oh, yeah. Chris 32:21 You know what I'm saying, though, right? Yeah, and, you know, I'm just f*cking with you, right? Andre 32:24 Yeah, it was, if I'm being super honest, it's like, at some point Chris 32:30 it's f*cking white people's problem, right? In that white people, some f*cking white people, got to get their shit together, right, right? I hear that I'm just hoping that it's not also like well, and at the same time that I have to go figure out how to convince stupid white people to stop voting for stupid shit that's going to stupidly affect them in a stupid way, that I also have to worry that my non white friends and brothers and sisters that have been voting blue or not red or against whatever stupid f*cking bullshit is going on in this country, regardless of which side it's on, are just like, Nah, f*ck it. I'm tuning out. Andre 33:14 No, they're not. I don't believe and I'm not speaking for all black people. I can tell you this, like the math tells you that's probably not going to happen. Chris 33:22 I like. I do not want anybody out there doing anything that I am not willing to do myself. Like I'm not going to sit here and say, you know, other people should be out protesting. Other people should be out doing this or that. Well, I'm not going to protest. I know you're not. I'm just but I'm just saying that like me, personally, I'm not asking anybody to do anything that I wouldn't do myself. The country I understand exactly what you're saying that you look at meaning even the last 20 years, right? Like you said, blood, sweat and tears, who's given more, even given the demographics, and there's no argument there. So are you happy now? Jesus Christ, I'm not Andre 34:14 trying to argue with you about this. I'm just saying like, Chris 34:18 No, you're not, and you're not arguing with me about this. I We're, I'd like to think that we're having a discussion. Yeah, we Andre 34:24 are. And I'm just like, Yo, I hear you. I'm, I voted. There was a, I would say, three administration, like, length. What was getting closer and closer to voting against my own self interest, right? 2016 changed that for me. Yeah. I'm like, Nah, I'm good. I'm not voting for this clown the f*ck we talking about. I did not vote for the president in that election. And I was like, let's see what these motherf*ckers do. And then we hit the clown. My argument is. I believe I and if you haven't listened before, I may I was a registered Republican, because I understand that. Like, I don't want an efficient government. I want an effective government. That's that's where I differ with, like, f*cking me then versus now. I don't want efficient. Efficient. Efficiency is bad. It's not what can be, yeah, yeah. It's not what you think it is. Chris 35:31 Efficiency, at all costs, is certainly a very bad and that seems to be where we're at right now. Andre 35:37 And I want effective. I want that the money that we're going to spend gets like close to or the desired result. That's what I want. Chris 35:49 Thanks for checking out the Chris and Andre show. Remember, unlike yourself in middle school, those like and subscribe buttons aren't gonna hit themselves. And be sure to leave a comment with your favorite part of the show or a topic you'd like us to cover in the future. As always, stay salty.