Andre We talked before about how I don't think CEOs should be in politics. This is why, Chris right? Well, is healthcare an industry that is best suited for a capitalist structure, right? Andre It's just not. It's not looking at the benefit of the people when I think people, if people are the thing that you're trying to help, kind of probably either should be regulated more effectively and or probably not in the free market. Chris It's so I don't know the big story. I guess this week is the one that just happened yesterday, which is this United Healthcare CEO getting capped on New York streets. Mean streets in New York City, but Andre he was in Midtown, probably one of the safest places to be in New York City, Chris unless you're the CEO of a major of the largest health insurance organization in North America. Andre That's kind of how, that's where it's playing out now. So put that on the brochure. I'm kind of the loss of human life sucks. Yes, whatever motivated this person to do it, who's still as of the fifth, is still in the run? I mean, we'll never know, but i i This sounds really bad if it was that planned and that determined Something bad must have happened, and our health care system is not innocent in this crime. So no, Chris you know, you're right that, like, all right, just want to echo that like, yes, the loss of life. You know, this specific individual deserve this, right? You know, most likely not. Andre But if he could have shot the company, he would have shot the company. Yeah, exactly Chris right. This was more of a stand in for for that. And I don't know it's we've talked about it on the podcast before that. You know, we're getting into kind of a dark, or at least on the precipice of a dark period here. And you see the response on Reddit, and knew a lot of the other social media channels and stuff like that. To this, there somebody did a graph, and it was over like 70% where the Laugh Emoji reacts. Andre I'm not an anti capitalist, which like when I see things on YouTube from the left, they're very staunchly anti capitalist. I understand, nor do I have a replacement for capitalism. I just think that we're implementing it the wrong way to be fair. It I think the oligarchy that we've we've created, created, but we don't acknowledge in our country is detrimental to the future growth of the country. Yeah, this one could say is the byproduct of that. I'm not saying companies should be broken up because everything's a monopoly. I don't go that far, but I do think there's room for smart regulation that helps the society, and we haven't figured that part out yet, whether it's the healthcare system, whether it's agriculture, there's a lot of industries where I could say, Yeah, that's probably not the best outcome. But to healthcare in general, what frustrates me is that we talk about how we're the world's richest country with the most expensive healthcare and the most expensive healthcare coverage, but we have the least, or we're not in the top five or 10 in the healthy outcome for the for the society. So something's broken there. Obviously, we should be asking different questions. And our our government, if they're doing their job, should be seeking a different result, and that's a failure, failure on leadership. So, yeah, Chris yeah, wholeheartedly, you know, I, I think it, it's interesting, like the response from you. Yeah, you're Andre not going to find sympathy from people. Well, no, Chris not even that, but just the response that they had from, like, a police presence and all of that after it happened, and, you know, the manhunt and all of this, and they're, we've deployed drones and canines and all of these. And again, the response is like, you know, you kill one person, it's murder, but you kill 1000s of people by denying them coverage over the years, and that's okay. You're an entrepreneur. Andre Yeah, I saw that on Reddit. Full disclosure, I do. I poke around at Reddit for dev stuff, and every now and then, look at what's popular and that those comments are prevalent it. And I don't even think those people are being so cynical towards the loss, loss of life, right? I think it just stating the obvious. Chris It's right, underscoring and we, you know, there it's not. We don't treat it all the same, right? We don't treat all life the same. We we don't treat all crimes the same. We don't, you know, somebody gets murdered. It's not the same response that we saw today, right? But, you know? And it's hard not to be cynical in looking at well, yeah, this is the system playing out the way it's supposed to. It's Midtown Manhattan, right? You've got how many CEOs that regularly visit that area every day, and you want them to think that their lives are on the line when they're probably contributing significantly towards, you know, whatever. Andre Well, just take a step back. Yep, this person knew where he this guy would be. He must have so when they say it was planned, it had to have been planned. Yep, he knew his travel path to and from the hotel. So it means like while he was and he lives outside of Minnesota, so he must have been frequenting this a normal restaurant or wherever, enough times, twice in a couple days around the same time, he knew whenever the convention was going to start, or the conference was going to start, or their annual meeting was going to start. So the probability of him finding him is probably well over 50% and even the calmness of he didn't have a security detail, even though he'd had threats, so he knew he was exposed, if the reaction is CEOs that get death threats start getting security details. Well, okay, then you missed the point. You missed the plot like you, right? So it goes. It makes me still think some whatever happened was bad enough to anger this person, right? That was the outcome he wanted. Chris This wasn't just some random, you know, right? Something happened, yeah, this wasn't a guy who got a large bill for his appendicitis or Andre this is somebody that somebody probably died, yep, because of a decision insurance company made. So there's that. And I want to reiterate, I'm not dismissing the loss of life, yeah. But if we're focused more on the CEO of a company getting murdered, as opposed to what what caused that, then we're missing the plot. Like, I'm, I, I, I don't know what to say. Chris Back to root causes and symptoms, right? Yeah, the security detail, that's a band aid on a symptom, right? You're not, you're not understanding what's driving that. And I just, I think, unfortunately, that there is a lot of that, what you know, the lack of sympathy and to some degree, like the the cheering of it by some people you know that, like, yeah, you know, whatever, take them down the the there are so many People who feel completely disillusioned with the justice system and the way that our society operates in this country, you know, the fact that those things just go on. And this guy, you know, cash, some ridiculous amount of bonus money over the last, you know, several years. And, yeah, I get you're the CEO of a major health insurance organization, right? But it's, it's hard when you as the individual, are experiencing the results of the decisions that are being made in terms of. Average being denied, or, you know, you're a loved one of yours is experiencing that. And like you said, this is almost undoubtedly a situation where somebody lost somebody and was driven to do this, and we need to try and understand why, so that we can fix the root cause, which is most likely a super broken healthcare system in this country, right? Or Andre not even super broke. We talked before about how I don't think CEOs should be in politics. This is why, Chris right? Well, is, is healthcare an industry that is best suited for a capitalist structure, Andre right? It's just not, it's not looking at the benefit of the people. When I think people, if people are the thing that you're trying to help, kind of probably either should be regulated more effectively and or probably not in the free market. What I didn't realize how broken healthcare was until so when my wife and I got together and like, we had separate insurance because she works for the state and is pretty much like free for the most part. So it's like not a very big expense. I worked for McDonald's, but I had all the kids on my plan, and it cost me like, I think, $70 a month, right? If she would have had the kids on her plan. It would have been like, $500 a month or something like that, geez. And Blue Cross, Blue Shield at the time, one North Carolina, the other in Illinois. And I'm like, How does this happen? And I started looking into it. And most states in North Carolina, being one of them, they have an insurance commission that they don't really help the people of the state. They kind of make sure they get their their cut from the companies. They don't care about rates. For the most part, they don't care about the cost of coverage per person or per family. So even after the Affordable Care Act passed, I had a former customer that worked for an insurance company, and he explained to me how the polling of premiums was going to affect, you know, my personal rate, right? And it did. It's net, net, granted, I wasn't pleased with it at the onset, because I think it was like an extra 300 bucks a year or something like that. But for the benefit of of other people, kind of made sense, right? Chris Because if, if, if it weren't, if that's not the idea behind insurance, right, pooling risk, right, then what is right? Then why do we have why do we buy insurance in the first place? Why wouldn't you just save money and pay out of pocket or take out a loan whenever you got sick and pay that off that way, right? Like this? There's a whole reason that it's supposed to be done this way, and it's to mitigate risk and minimize cost by spreading it out. You know, minimum, like, not minimize costs. But you know what I mean? It's just like, Andre what's what's ironic to the the UHC problem is, apparently they've been using, remember when I said black box software is going to be the problem? I'm concerned, concerned with it, with AI? Well, apparently they've been using AI to deny claims. Shocking. What are we what are we doing? Like, that's the stuff that should concern us about AI. Chris Maybe that's why my prescription hasn't gone through yet, Andre so we can't let, nor should we let these things be. Some things should have still have human intervention. And again, I'm not, you know, cheering for the loss of life for this person, but I think that we're probably never going to address the why as to why it happened. Yeah, nor do I think that, nor do I think it'll get solved. I don't think our our government, functions in a way to solve the problem. Nor will it ever it's because Chris we doesn't seem like it's really designed to right now, you know, nor Andre will it be in 2025 so there's, Chris we can always hope that project, 2025 fixes everything right? Andre There's hope. Chris I thought hope was a girl that works in drive thru. She Andre is. She gets off at four. See, there's. This, Chris she's already nobody. 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